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  • BigEx44BigEx44 Members  382WRX Points: 120Handicap: 9.2Posts: 382 Greens
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    On -, @The Pearl said:

    I will echo what juststeve has preached in that the two feet together drill is without a doubt the best drill if you are embracing the MDLT approach and might be the best drill in the history of golf instruction. I have had probably 7 or 8 of my golfing buddies try i and despite all being decent players, they can barely get the ball airborne.

    JustSteve may disagree or tweek my comments but for those earlier in the thread voicing distance concerns the feet together drill is a great way to learn how to properly add speed. You can't cheat with this drill, you either swing the club properly or you don't.

    I agee 100%. Great drill for the MDLT method.
    I've also found a use for it on the course as when I swing with my feet together, I lose about 10% of my distance.
    So it's a swig I use when I'm between clubs!

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  • BigEx44BigEx44 Members  382WRX Points: 120Handicap: 9.2Posts: 382 Greens
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    I've seen lots of guys asking about are there any MDLT teachers in their area?
    This has probably been posted elsewhere in this thread but I'll bump it up here for those interested.
    This is a website totally dedicated to MDLT.
    One page lists all the teachers in the country who claim to teach his method.
    So, for those looking for lessons.....
    http://www.manueldelatorregolfteaching.com/teachers-list/

    I personally took a lesson from Trish Beucher and she was EXCELLENT! I've heard the same about John Hayes.

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  • skajaquada77skajaquada77 Saint Petersburg, FLMembers  249WRX Points: 92Handicap: 18Posts: 249 Fairways
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    John Hayes was also excellent. I enjoy listening to his stories and experiences with Manuel. You can tell he truly admired him. I have nothing but great things to say about Manuel’s teachings and concepts. I so wish I could have met him in person.
    I continue to study his concept, watch his videos, re read his books... and I can tell you one thing, now I get what he says about “I can tell you WHAT to do but I cant tell you HOW to do it” (or something along those lines...)
    Yeah, the whole TAke it back with your hands, let body follows... for almost a year I thought that was what i was doing, until the other day in my bathroom I’m looking at myself in the mirror after shaving and I grabbed the towel from the sink in front of me, then took it around me with both hands for some reason, to hang it from a hook directly behind me. Then I felt it, i just used JUST my hands and my shoulders followed, then hips... madness. So simple. I ran, grabbed a club and repeated the move. Holy Crap! My back swing all this time was wrong, now I let loose and “just take it back, over the shoulder” and the body follows!
    So yeah, 12 freaking months to finally understand it. But hey Im there. And It feels great! I know there will be more Aha moments in the future so I just relax and play, and enjoy the walk!
    Long post but I also wanted to say YES to this method for juniors/kids... my daughter has only taken one lesson from John and was awesome, focused on understanding parts of club and swinging brushing the grass with irons and brushing the tee with Driver... forward TO the target. Simple. I want her to have fun and not get overwhelmed with practice and lessons.

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  • JedaigekiJedaigeki Members  357WRX Points: 91Posts: 357 Greens
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    I have only recently delved into the teachings of MDLT.

    It started for me earlier in the year when my 11 year old daughter decided she wanted to start playing golf. Obviously this thrilled me however trying to describe to her what to do was not easy. I didn't want to "teach" her as I was concerned that would take the fun out of it however she wanted to learn how to play and not just aimlessly swing at it. After much discussion (over hot chocolate and marshmallows) about how best we both approach this, she informed me that I needed to make what I know about how to play golf child friendly. At this point I remembered how she learnt to ride her bike, there was no mechanical or technical talk about how to apply pressure to the pedals to move forward, no instruction of bending and straightening arms to turn. It was simple, child friendly, push the pedals to move and turn the handlebars to turn change direction. With this in mind I remembered a lecture I had seen years before by Fred Shoemaker, his instruction I believe closely resembles MDLT. After purchasing the book and reading it together, my daughter (and I) have discovered (rediscovered) the wonders of a simplistic approach to swinging a golf club and the joy that can be found playing this game.

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  • Timber82Timber82 Members  4WRX Points: 35Posts: 4 Starters
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    Hi All,

    Just wanted to add my thanks to all the great contributions on here that have helped show the MDLT 'method'

    Like many others, I only came across MDLT by chance when I saw his book around a year or so ago, new nothing about him at that stage

    Loved the way he explained everything and committed to follow his ideas from the outset

    My general ball striking has really improved, and for me the idea of picturing the ball rolling along the ground (or into the face of the bunker) after impact has been the greatest help to clean striking and lowering the chance of topping it. I had never heard anything like that before and it has had an almost instant impact with all my iron shots. Focussing on that has really helped tie it all together for me after many hours of practice swings in the backyard every night!

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  • slantsfloodslantsflood slantsflood Members  819WRX Points: 107Posts: 819 Golden Tee
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    Jim flick once said "a turn will not create a swing". But "a swing will create a turn".

    I think most of us growing up with modern instruction turn too much/too fast, that we leave the club behind and are out of sequence from the start.

    Mdlt works, but it's a journey for most of us that's us against ourselves. Steve is the perfect example of what happens when you work with Manuel from the start. Most of us battle and try to unwire all the unnatural swing thoughts we've jumped around throughout the years.

    "Club focused instruction" is thee friendliest golf instruction out there. Its really all our minds can handle unless you can hit balls every day like the pros.

    Im not on these forums much anymore, but I hope you all are doing well and staying safe. Good luck to everyone and keep swinging

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    "Patience without understanding"
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  • juststevejuststeve Members  5326WRX Points: 638Posts: 5,326 Titanium Tees
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    I think the best way to get from where you are to where you want to be is through the feet together drill. 1) It's hard to try to power the swing with your body when your feet are together, and 2) you will feel what it is like to swing the club around your body and not with the body.

    Give it a try and see if you don't make progress.

    Steve

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  • BigEx44BigEx44 Members  382WRX Points: 120Handicap: 9.2Posts: 382 Greens
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    I also like to use the "flamingo" drill. For RH, pull the right (trail) foot way back so you're basically swinging only on your front foot.

    So I use both.

    Feet together drill to get a sense of swing the club with the arms around the body while staying in balance.

    Flamingo drill to get a sense of coming from the inside, and with with some power, while remaining in balance.

    I almost hit the ball better with the flamingo drill than with my regular swing!

    Both are excellent and have really helped me with my MDLT swing.

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  • tm3tm3 Members  141WRX Points: 85Posts: 141 Fairways
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    That is a great drill and your recommending it to me has helped decrease the incidence of my push/slice.

    As slantsflood says about us going against ourselves and trying to redo the wiring, there is the feet together drill and there is the feet together drill. Meaning, I thought that it was a pretty straightforward drill until I made the mistake of watching a Shawn Clement YouTube video in which he demonstrates how one should "piston" or "pump" down and up with the knees when doing the drill. Now I have trouble keeping that image out of my mind.

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  • ericgolfericgolf Members  32WRX Points: 33Posts: 32 Bunkers
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    I'm trying to unlearn everything and do it this way because I find it completely beautiful. I walked nine here in the 95 degree heat of Wilmington, NC yesterday and it nearly killed me. It was the first time I've played golf in probably three years and I got up and down for par on the eighth hole and made par on the ninth just as they drew it up and the rest were bogeys. I was really happy with the round.

    My problem is everything was going out to the right and the longer the club the more apparent the problem was. The driver is slicing on me to the point where I can't use it on the course.

    I'm loving keeping my weight 50/50, because I was plagued with disastrous fat chunks before that came from me trying to shift my weight around thinking that would make me hit it further.

    I think maybe I'm struggling to keep the club face square? I know you can't tell without seeing the swing. Just thought I would give the report of another convert trying to piece together a round.

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  • bdcavabdcava bdcava Members  639WRX Points: 104Handicap: 9.5Posts: 639 Golden Tee
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    for me, it’s not about keeping the club face square, it’s about trusting that the club face will be square. I’m committed to this method and it’s all about trusting that it will work. Most of my problems come from using the hands in the forward swing.

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  • juststevejuststeve Members  5326WRX Points: 638Posts: 5,326 Titanium Tees
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    Eric:

    I'ne never seen you swing but I can odder a couple of ideas Manny recommended to others.

    Get the tension out of your left arm,. Tension there will often result in an open club face at impact and shots that go right, either straight right or curving right. Try that first and see what the result is.

    A second suggestion that will take a bit more work is to groove your downswing pattern. When the club is horizontal, both before and after impact, . the toe of the club should be pointing up and the club should be parallel to your target line. Try to groove that pattern starting without a ball, then gradually small shots with a ball. One you get the club moving in that manner you will probaly find the club square or close to square at impact.

    Steve

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  • ericgolfericgolf Members  32WRX Points: 33Posts: 32 Bunkers
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    Thanks for the tips I will work on both of these.


    Edit: Wow there was so much tension in my left arm! how did you know!

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  • ChazbChazb Members  1022WRX Points: 143Posts: 1,022 Platinum Tees
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    One question,you are supposed the the club in the center of your stance so where should the ball be placed.

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  • ChazbChazb Members  1022WRX Points: 143Posts: 1,022 Platinum Tees
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    You are supposed to have the club in the center of your body so where should the ball be placed?

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  • ChazbChazb Members  1022WRX Points: 143Posts: 1,022 Platinum Tees
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    Wouldn’t that be putting the ball in the center of your stance where I thought you posted that the club goes in the center of your stance and not the ball.

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  • juststevejuststeve Members  5326WRX Points: 638Posts: 5,326 Titanium Tees
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    Club head goes in the center of your stance for all clubs and all ordinary shots. Ball is on the target side of the club head. That can be close to stance center but it will be at least slightly forward of center.


    Steve

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  • ChazbChazb Members  1022WRX Points: 143Posts: 1,022 Platinum Tees
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    Thank you just needed to un-clutter my mind.

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  • ericgolfericgolf Members  32WRX Points: 33Posts: 32 Bunkers
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    First time I've filmed my swing in many years. Girlfriend was more interested in filming the view. MDLT has helped me a bit, still working! https://imgur.com/a/DZcuuEU

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  • The PearlThe Pearl Members  2082WRX Points: 205Posts: 2,082 Platinum Tees
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    Not a teacher, but that looks pretty good, eric.

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  • ericgolfericgolf Members  32WRX Points: 33Posts: 32 Bunkers
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    Thanks. I don’t have much speed, and I don’t think I ever have had the sound of a golf ball sizzling as it sails away.

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