Bridgestone J40 Dual Pocket Cavity Irons

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  • Scottie68Scottie68 Members Posts: 803 ✭✭
    I never realized how rare the 3 iron is, so feel lucky to have one.



    As far as wedges, I have added 3 at that end of the bag (dropped the 4 iron, and play 5w, 3w, driver). Up and downs from 100 in are better than most, so very happy with the set-up.



    Currently looking to set up a set of j15 dfp the same way!
  • aiyyeraiyyer Members Posts: 1,468 ✭✭
    The PX Flighted shaft was challenging for some swings.

    Switch in a XP95 or PX LZ shaft and wow!

    Love my combo set with the LZs.

  • HackerD  HackerD Student of the game Members Posts: 3,150 ✭✭
    Joe9977 wrote:

    Joe9977 wrote:

    rtraudt wrote:

    RPJET wrote:


    I hit the J40 DPC's for the first time a few days ago. I was really impressed. I agree with the other posters. It is a great set of irons.



    (Fade to Black). They are more forgiving then the AP2's.




    I would have to agree. Plus, IMO, they look way better than the AP2s. Something about forgiveness in such a clean package that is appealing. No multi-material badges, designs, etc. to clutter it up. Tell me this doesn't look fantastic...Bridgestone_J40_DPC_irons_01.jpg?m=1343432445


    Hands down, I would buy a set of these new in box if they came out now, I missed the boat!!!! Argh!!!!!!!!
    beautiful clubs!


    These are the nicest looking irons I’ve owned, and playing a nice-looking iron gives me more confidence. But I moved to the J15 DPF as I thought they’d be even more forgiving but they weren’t. So went away from Bridgestone to Mizuno JPX line (not bad looking in their own right).
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  • sm_wattssm_watts Members Posts: 638 ✭✭
    The Mizuno 850 forged was my second choice.
    Taylormade M2 2016 10.5 w/UST ATTAS Elements, MK reg
    Taylormade M2 2017 HL 16.5 w/UST ATTAS Elements, DK reg
    TEE e8 22 & 25 hybrids/Recoil 460 F3
    Bridgestone J40 DPC's/Recoil 95 F3
    Snake Eyes 685BX 52*
    Hogan TK 57*
    TP Mills Sycamore...or Spaulding TPM VIII...or maybe the TP Mills Elite...or the TP Mills Softtail???
  • sm_wattssm_watts Members Posts: 638 ✭✭
    Well, I took them out yesterday for the first time and tried to get in some holes between the rain, lightning, and hail. First hole was an easy 5 iron to the middle of the fairway, 8 iron to the back of the green, easy 2-putt par. The second hole is a 170 yard par 3- a 7 iron lands on the front of the green, 2 hops, and...it...hits the flagstick, bouncing off to about 18 inches, easy birdie. I skip a few holes because the clouds are not so white and fluffy anymore and go over to the next par 3. It's 165 with sand in the front- I hit a 7 iron a little out on the toe. Knowing how I hit it, I expect it to be short of the sand. Nope! It clears the sand, lands on the front of the green and roles back pin-high about 3 feet away from the hole. I'm now 3 holes in with these irons and sitting -2. Not a bad first impression.
    Taylormade M2 2016 10.5 w/UST ATTAS Elements, MK reg
    Taylormade M2 2017 HL 16.5 w/UST ATTAS Elements, DK reg
    TEE e8 22 & 25 hybrids/Recoil 460 F3
    Bridgestone J40 DPC's/Recoil 95 F3
    Snake Eyes 685BX 52*
    Hogan TK 57*
    TP Mills Sycamore...or Spaulding TPM VIII...or maybe the TP Mills Elite...or the TP Mills Softtail???
  • RrsclydeRrsclyde Members Posts: 182 ✭✭
    I have a nice set 5-PW with Steelfibers that I'm ready to part with--just too many sets of irons. If anyone is interested in a great deal, shoot me a pm.
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  • norge5norge5 Members Posts: 1,492 ✭✭
    I have been reading alot on the Bridgestone J15 cb and see that they get great reviews. How do these compare? I also have Callaway Legacy Black and Srixon z-tx II in the running as well. Any advice on the who the winner should be?
  • bossman641bossman641 Members Posts: 307 ✭✭
    I have both although I've only had the 40's for about a month. The j40 has a larger head, especially noticeable in the short irons. I don't particularly care for the look of the 9 iron or pw but it's not the end of the world. The j15 is longer due to stronger lofts. The j15 also has a much wider sole which has really impressed me. From a forgiveness perspective, I'd say the 15 is more forgiving on fat/thin contact while the j40 is more forgiving horizontally. They have completely different shafts so I can't give a good comparison there. My j15 have modus 120.. only club I've ever played with those shafts. J40 are dgs400 and are a flatter trajectory for me. All in all they're both great irons. I'd guess j15 are easier to find nowadays. Can't help you on the other 2 unfortunately.
  • freelanceterryfreelanceterry Members Posts: 802 ✭✭
    Sold a set last year on the BST.



    Add it to the long list of clubs I regret not having in the stable.

    It’s the perfect iron for the player that thinks he’s better than he is...needs the forgiveness but can’t bring himself to hit shovels either because of aesthetics or pride....or both.



    They do an amazing job of hiding the GI aspects built into them. And no stupid badges or color....and all packed in a b-stone forging.



    It really is a legend. Right up there w/ the TM Miura 300’s. PCB’s. Maxfli black dots.....

    What others am I missing?
  • J9293J9293 Members Posts: 324 ✭✭
    edited Jan 11, 2019 6:49pm #191
    Looks of a players club but performs like a game improvement iron. They are long heel to toe and have a pocket cavity for forgiveness but also have a thin top line, minimal offset and are forged. I haven’t found anything better so they’ve been in my bag for a few years now. I still get compliments on them after all these years.



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    Driver: [font=verdana, geneva, lucida,]Ping G400 Max - HZRDUS Yellow Handcrafted 6.0[/font]
    3 Wood:[font=verdana, geneva, lucida,] Ping G400 - Alta CB[/font]
    Hybrid:[font=verdana, geneva, lucida,] Ping G400 - Alta CB[/font]
    Irons: [font=verdana, geneva, lucida,]Bridgestone J40 DPC - LZ 6.0[/font]
    Wedges:[font=verdana, geneva, lucida,] Callaway X-Forged - S300[/font]
    Putter:[font=verdana, geneva, lucida,] Scotty Cameron Red X5[/font]
    Ball:[font=verdana, geneva, lucida,] Titleist Pro V1x[/font]
  • BiggErnBiggErn Members Posts: 2,297 ✭✭
    I loved mine but sold them a couple years as I was bored and looking for something new. Probably the best irons I’ve ever owned or at least equal to my P790s I have now. Wish they would do a retro set and add a gap wedge.
  • mattwoodmattwood Members Posts: 468 ✭✭
    Still playing my set of 4-Pw with Steelfiber i95 and added 3 J15 wedges. Great set of irons that are buttery soft!
    Titleist 917 D3 Fujikura Speeder pro ts 74 stiff
    Titleist 971 F3 Mitsubishi Diamana D+ 80 stiff
    Callaway RazrX Tour stock shaft stiff/Mizuno MP-30 2 iron with Rifle 6.0 shaft
    Bridgestone J 40DPC w/Aerotech Steelfibers 95 r
    50*, 54*, 58* Bridgestone J 15 wedges with Nippon Pro Modus3 125
    Odessey White Hot #5
  • pinestreetgolfpinestreetgolf Members Posts: 3,433 ✭✭
    BiggErn wrote:
    I loved mine but sold them a couple years as I was bored and looking for something new. Probably the best irons I’ve ever owned or at least equal to my P790s I have now. Wish they would do a retro set and add a gap wedge.




    Totally agree. They are the best irons of all time. Downsides are no gap wedge and basically no 3 iron (I’ve been looking for one for literally years). It theoretically exists but seems not to actually exist. If anyone reading this has a j40 DPC 3 iron I will pay a Kings ransom for it. There are a million j40 3 irons but no j40 DPC 3

    Irons. I’d trade someone my mothballed set of 790s for one TBH.
    Nike SQ Lucky 13* w/ Aldila Tour Green 75 X-Flex, 43.5"
    Ping G30 Hybrids 2 17*,  3 19*, 4 22* TFC 419 Stiff
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    PM Grind 64*
  • RhumpRhump ClubWRX Posts: 22 ClubWRX

    BiggErn wrote:
    I loved mine but sold them a couple years as I was bored and looking for something new. Probably the best irons I’ve ever owned or at least equal to my P790s I have now. Wish they would do a retro set and add a gap wedge.




    Totally agree. They are the best irons of all time. Downsides are no gap wedge and basically no 3 iron (I’ve been looking for one for literally years). It theoretically exists but seems not to actually exist. If anyone reading this has a j40 DPC 3 iron I will pay a Kings ransom for it. There are a million j40 3 irons but no j40 DPC 3

    Irons. I’d trade someone my mothballed set of 790s for one TBH.




    PM sent.
  • JagpilotohioJagpilotohio 45+ inch drivers are evil. Columbus, OHMembers Posts: 7,223 ✭✭
    LOLOLOL! That is one **** of a trade.



    A whole set of 790’s for one 3 iron? Jeez. I wish I had one. I wouldn’t blame you if you ate your words.
    9.5* Cobra LTD, Old school Grafalloy Blue, 43.5"
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    16* Cally 815 alpha fuji 665 X, 41.5" (set to 17*)
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  • RhumpRhump ClubWRX Posts: 22 ClubWRX
    I’ve got a nice one. Sent him a PM.
  • pinestreetgolfpinestreetgolf Members Posts: 3,433 ✭✭
    edited Jan 12, 2019 2:18pm #198
    Rhump wrote:
    I’ve got a nice one. Sent him a PM.




    Responding now. I’ve been playing DPCs for a long long time and I’ve never seen one.
    Nike SQ Lucky 13* w/ Aldila Tour Green 75 X-Flex, 43.5"
    Ping G30 Hybrids 2 17*,  3 19*, 4 22* TFC 419 Stiff
    Pinhawk SL 5-SW +3 Up Apollo Stiff 115
    PM Grind 64*
  • pinestreetgolfpinestreetgolf Members Posts: 3,433 ✭✭
    Bridgestone j40 DPCs... Gotta catch 'em all!



    Already updated the sig and will post a picture of a complete set when it comes in. Thanks so much Rhump!



    They've gotta be the best older / cheap iron out there I would think. I'm a sucker for a thin topline, just a little hint of offset and a lot of forgiveness.
    Nike SQ Lucky 13* w/ Aldila Tour Green 75 X-Flex, 43.5"
    Ping G30 Hybrids 2 17*,  3 19*, 4 22* TFC 419 Stiff
    Pinhawk SL 5-SW +3 Up Apollo Stiff 115
    PM Grind 64*
  • kro88kro88 Members Posts: 132 ✭✭
    mattwood wrote:


    Still playing my set of 4-Pw with Steelfiber i95 and added 3 J15 wedges. Great set of irons that are buttery soft!




    Isn't Freddie still bagging this exact set up?
    Bag of tricks - in Mackenzie Walker
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    Wood: Titleist 913 F2 19 w/Diamana S+ Blue 72s
    Irons: Miura CB-1957 w/KBS Tour Stiff 3iron -1 flat, Miura 1957 Baby Blades w/KBS Tour Stiff 4-PW -1 flat
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  • mattwoodmattwood Members Posts: 468 ✭✭
    kro88 wrote:

    mattwood wrote:


    Still playing my set of 4-Pw with Steelfiber i95 and added 3 J15 wedges. Great set of irons that are buttery soft!




    Isn't Freddie still bagging this exact set up?


    He may be but for some weird reason his seem to work better than mine.
    Titleist 917 D3 Fujikura Speeder pro ts 74 stiff
    Titleist 971 F3 Mitsubishi Diamana D+ 80 stiff
    Callaway RazrX Tour stock shaft stiff/Mizuno MP-30 2 iron with Rifle 6.0 shaft
    Bridgestone J 40DPC w/Aerotech Steelfibers 95 r
    50*, 54*, 58* Bridgestone J 15 wedges with Nippon Pro Modus3 125
    Odessey White Hot #5
  • sm_wattssm_watts Members Posts: 638 ✭✭
    I'm looking forward to a whole season with mine. With the Recoil 95's in there, these are some of the easiest irons I've ever swung. As someone mentioned above, the short irons could be a little smaller for my liking, but I'm dealing with it.
    Taylormade M2 2016 10.5 w/UST ATTAS Elements, MK reg
    Taylormade M2 2017 HL 16.5 w/UST ATTAS Elements, DK reg
    TEE e8 22 & 25 hybrids/Recoil 460 F3
    Bridgestone J40 DPC's/Recoil 95 F3
    Snake Eyes 685BX 52*
    Hogan TK 57*
    TP Mills Sycamore...or Spaulding TPM VIII...or maybe the TP Mills Elite...or the TP Mills Softtail???
  • davo32683davo32683 Members Posts: 2,095 ✭✭
    edited Jan 22, 2019 9:42am #203
    Can someone post an address pic of these?



    Preferably the 5, 8, PW
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    Titleist TS3 15° 3 Wood Evenflow White 75 6.5
    Bridgestone J15 CB 4-PW KBS $ Taper 125
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  • bbfifasbbfifas Members Posts: 478 ✭✭
    sm_watts wrote:


    I'm looking forward to a whole season with mine. With the Recoil 95's in there, these are some of the easiest irons I've ever swung. As someone mentioned above, the short irons could be a little smaller for my liking, but I'm dealing with it.




    How are your swingweights with the lighter shafts? I'm still loving these irons except my 5 iron.... I hate my 5 iron... but reality I hate ANY 5 iron I don't know why!
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    Taylormade V-Steel 5 wood, stock stiff
    Ping g15 3 & 4 hybrids (ugly but effective)
    Bridgestone J40 DPC 5-PW, PX flighted 5.5
    PING Glide 50* SS, cfs wedge shaft
    PING GLide 56*, ES Grind, cfs shaft
    Scotty Select Newport, 73* lie, 1* loft, 34"

  • golfgolf77golfgolf77 Members Posts: 131 ✭✭
    mattwood wrote:


    Still playing my set of 4-Pw with Steelfiber i95 and added 3 J15 wedges. Great set of irons that are buttery soft!




    Can you comment on the Steelfiber i95's? I have a set of irons on the way w/ the shafts, I'll try them for myself but also curious as to your thoughts. I've used S300's for 20 years w/o any real issues...

    bbfifas wrote:

    sm_watts wrote:


    I'm looking forward to a whole season with mine. With the Recoil 95's in there, these are some of the easiest irons I've ever swung. As someone mentioned above, the short irons could be a little smaller for my liking, but I'm dealing with it.




    How are your swingweights with the lighter shafts? I'm still loving these irons except my 5 iron.... I hate my 5 iron... but reality I hate ANY 5 iron I don't know why!




    Haha I'm not a 5 iron fan either, something about that iron right in the middle...Love a 3 or 4 iron, absolutely love my 6 iron as well!

    kro88 wrote:

    mattwood wrote:


    Still playing my set of 4-Pw with Steelfiber i95 and added 3 J15 wedges. Great set of irons that are buttery soft!




    Isn't Freddie still bagging this exact set up?




    Yes, Couples is still using J40 DPC w/ Steelfibers. Says a lot about the J40 DPC's, phenomenal irons!!!!

    J9293 wrote:


    Looks of a players club but performs like a game improvement iron. They are long heel to toe and have a pocket cavity for forgiveness but also have a thin top line, minimal offset and are forged. I haven't found anything better so they've been in my bag for a few years now. I still get compliments on them after all these years.



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    Absolute beauties! I have a very nice set in my collection, may break them out this spring...
  • golfgolf77golfgolf77 Members Posts: 131 ✭✭

    BiggErn wrote:
    I loved mine but sold them a couple years as I was bored and looking for something new. Probably the best irons I’ve ever owned or at least equal to my P790s I have now. Wish they would do a retro set and add a gap wedge.




    Totally agree. They are the best irons of all time. Downsides are no gap wedge and basically no 3 iron (I’ve been looking for one for literally years). It theoretically exists but seems not to actually exist. If anyone reading this has a j40 DPC 3 iron I will pay a Kings ransom for it. There are a million j40 3 irons but no j40 DPC 3

    Irons. I’d trade someone my mothballed set of 790s for one TBH.




    I had a brand new J40 DPC and had to dump it due to buying too many other clubs. Yes, that was probably the biggest mistake, just should've thrown in the basement and forgot I had it, the thing was an absolute LASER at 20 degrees of loft!!!! And as easy as a 6 iron to hit!
  • Krt22Krt22 Members Posts: 6,458 ✭✭
    Uggh. I've had a set of J40 DPC/CB heads laying around for some time (pulled the shafts to put into J15CBs). A buddy wanted them so I built them up for him, man the long irons are so easy to hit and buttery soft. Regret already setting in lol



    The J15CBs are fantastic as well, just something about the J40s
  • bigmoneypbigmoneyp MichiganMembers Posts: 3,271 ✭✭
    I've always wanted a set of these. Hard to find one in good condition with a good price to match that doesn't sell in 2 mins.
  • sm_wattssm_watts Members Posts: 638 ✭✭
    bbfifas wrote:

    sm_watts wrote:


    I'm looking forward to a whole season with mine. With the Recoil 95's in there, these are some of the easiest irons I've ever swung. As someone mentioned above, the short irons could be a little smaller for my liking, but I'm dealing with it.




    How are your swingweights with the lighter shafts? I'm still loving these irons except my 5 iron.... I hate my 5 iron... but reality I hate ANY 5 iron I don't know why!


    It seems like they were D1 up to the 8 iron, D2 for the 9 and PW. I checked them before I built them, but I don't remember if this is absolutely correct.
    Taylormade M2 2016 10.5 w/UST ATTAS Elements, MK reg
    Taylormade M2 2017 HL 16.5 w/UST ATTAS Elements, DK reg
    TEE e8 22 & 25 hybrids/Recoil 460 F3
    Bridgestone J40 DPC's/Recoil 95 F3
    Snake Eyes 685BX 52*
    Hogan TK 57*
    TP Mills Sycamore...or Spaulding TPM VIII...or maybe the TP Mills Elite...or the TP Mills Softtail???
  • tbonetwtbonetw Members Posts: 383 ✭✭
    I owned a set for a few years and just loved them. I skipped the J15 because I just couldn't deal with the turbo rubber. A good idea I guess, but terrible execution.

    I just ran across a new set of the Tour B X-CBP's which is the current version of the DPC that they didn't bring to the US except in that whole bag thing they tried. These came stock with black PVD S Tapers and Multi compounds. I went to the range last night and hit them for the first time and I absolutely love them. I missed my J40 DPCs. Should have never sold them. The profile is very similar however the topline is slightly thinner on the Tour B. Otherwise very forgiving, that same 1020 feel, and plenty of distance.

    If anyone is interested in upgrading there are still a couple of sets on the bay. I think the seller was Maplegolf. $399!
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    TEE CBX 15* Hzrdus Black
    TEE CBX 18* Hzrdus Black
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  • rxk9fanrxk9fan MidwestMembers Posts: 761 ✭✭
    You don't often see a thread on an iron run 4 or 5 years, but hats off to this one for doing just that.

    And of course being a true WRXer, I was intrigued and now own a set. A fellow forum member who lives about 90 minutes from me had a set with Steelfiber shafts so I drove before daylight to pick them up yesterday. He was a VERY nice gentleman and I think we could safely rate the clubs as a 9 or maybe even 9.5...a little chatter but VERY nice (Thank you Sir).

    It was windy and wet and work was crazy but I had to hit them LOL. Lofts would have been pretty close to my current gamers (but were ordered 1 degree strong). The Mizuno MP18 MMC are my gamers and have the Recoil 95 F4 vs the Steelfiber 95 R in the J40 DPC.

    So, I grabbed a large bucket of year old crap range balls, headed to the muddy, dormant bermuda range with a 7i of the MMC and 7i of the DPC to hit balls in the mist and wind. My only expectation was that in the back of my mind I wondered how 6 or 7 year old technology would hold up to more recent stuff. Of course it will take a lot more balls, better conditions, and a monitor to know but my initial outing was interesting:

    I have played Steelfiber before and I find the R flex very close to the F4 flex in the Recoil. I will stick with that story. I also find the Recoil smoother and I can feel it load. The Steelfiber in contrast feels a little more harsh but on the plus side it also feels tighter in a good way and it is easier to control trajectory when needed. None of this changed vs when I have hit both shafts in other irons.

    Now, for the irons themselves, the conditions probably played a role in some of this but:

    The Bridgestone J40 DPC launched significantly higher than the MMC. Even significantly more than I would have expected from the loft difference in the two 7 irons. The degree of this difference really surprised me. As for distance, I was hitting with a pretty stiff wind at my back and the DPC was in the air so much longer that I am sure this contributed to it being significantly longer than the MMC (even though the MMC has the stronger loft). I will get on the monitor one day this week to see more about distance because yesterday's conditions added too many moving parts.

    As for feel, it was nasty out (below 50 degrees with wind and drizzle) and nothing from either club felt like butter LOL. I am anxious to hit them inside and see who wins that battle. The MMC with the Recoil feels pretty darn good usually so anxious to see how the two irons compare.

    Probably not many interested in this any longer, but I will update at least one more time when I get numbers from the monitor.

    As for now, really no idea which I will play. I was set on the MMC for this year until I read this thread and found such a nice set. Both sets are really good looking. I think both sets will offer very consistent distances even if not the same. Which one is longest will have little bearing on which I choose to play. The deciding factor will be dispersion when hitting off of turf. I may not have that answer for a month with the lovely winter weather we are enjoying :-).
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    Taylormade M4 tour 3 wood with stiff Oban Kiyoshi Tour Limited
    Cobra Baffler 6 with UST Elements Stiff
    Srixon U65 4i with SteelFiber R
    Srixon Z765 with SteelFiber R shafts
    or
    Cobra Black Forged Tec 4i - AW with Recoil F4 shafts
    Vokey 58, 54, 50
    Taylormade Spider X

    I am thinking about playing golf next year instead of HOing clubs!  
    Oh, changed my mind and still HOing ....but HC finally moving in the right direction.
    Definitions: HOing is changing any spot in your bag 3 or more times in a year
                       Optimizing is changing any/every spot in your bag up to twice a year :-)
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