Can You Change The Neck On A Solid Copper Putter??

Get guys I have a solid copper Byron Makers proof 006 putter and was wondering if the neck could be cut off and a new different style neck be attached /welded?

Idk about welded, but could bore a hole where the old neck was and epoxy in a new neck. Want to say I've seen a Byron done like this

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Get guys I have a solid copper Byron Makers proof 006 putter and was wondering if the neck could be cut off and a new different style neck be attached /welded?
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I've seen Byron do a couple of these. Stainless neck bored into a solid copper head.
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I've read that's it's difficult to weld copper to stainless or carbon. Soder? Not sure. Don't know of anyone who has solid copper necks lying around either.

Just call Byron or shoot him an email, he'll make it happen.

No !!!!!!! Keep that solid block intact. Please .... Pretty please !?!?

Sounds like you have a buyer lol. PH to the rescue

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No !!!!!!! Keep that solid block intact. Please .... Pretty please !?!?
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Lol yeah I rather have a half shaft offset and slightly more toe hang......but..... I don't want to have a beautiful copper head and steel neck. Personally, and just in my opinion it. looks terrible mixing the materials. I would just want my putter to look the same, in unison.

PutterHo-I did see your new SC. Got to admit I'm jealous. The 009 is at the top of my list for putters I'd like get, AND yours is copper too.....? I think I only remember seeing one like in the table rock pics from the PGA merchandise pics. But I could be completely wrong too lol

Gotta be an issue with the weld... here's a shot of Jason Gore's BBC that has the same bored treatment:

EDIT: Also there's a few in this thread:

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/958481-scotty-cameron-tablerock-putter-photos/

ENJOY!

You can definitely weld steel onto copper. It's definitely more involved, but can be done. Bettinardi has done is multiple times.

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There's quite a bit of chemistry involved, but saying it's impossible would be wrong.

I believe it silver soldered and Bettinardi is the only one who will do it. It's not as strong as a true weld and might break if someone tries to adjust the lie. That is why most guys like Byron and Slighter will only do a bored and glued in neck on copper.

I wish someone would make a one piece flow neck copper.

I may be wrong, here's what a member had to say on puttertalk, but would still be leary if the lie needed to be adjusted.
[color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(246, 246, 246)]Ryan copper can be welded, see some of the Circus Candy series putter from Bettinardi couple or three years back. I believe you just have to float the copper heads in dry ice whilst welding the Stainless Steel neck on, I don't exact the measurements but, by controlling the temperature of copper it can be achieved.[/background][/size][/color]

[color=#333333][size=3][background=rgb(246, 246, 246)]What I think Byron meant, was they don't weld copper. I mean no offence or slight towards Byron and his putters and I also note Bettinardi have done this very few times so, I consider it ain't simple or an exact science either but, for correctness copper can be welded.[/background][/size][/color]

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I agree on not putting a carbon neck on that copper putter...but not all mixed material heads are bad.... Take a carbon dh89 , 009 or the Mucho-Macho MA/66 and add a stainless log flow neck....finish the body in polished gun blue or torch.. and then polish the stainless neck and you have a thing of beauty ....my opinion of course....but just wanted it said that all mixed material putters aren't created equal

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I agree on not putting a carbon neck on that copper putter...but not all mixed material heads are bad.... Take a carbon dh89 or 009 and add a stainless log flow neck....finish the body in polished gun blue or torch.. and then polish the stainless neck and you have a thing of beauty ....my opinion of course....but just wanted it said that all mixed material putters aren't created equal
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Very true. I'm sure there's a lot of people who do like mixing materials to get a certain look their looking for. Personally it doesn't float my boat, but if other people like it, that's cool with me.

Bladehunter, thanks for your post. I believe Machine does that more ofter than other companies or maybe get asked more....

Prefer the 1 piece copper, neck and body look over a mixed metals look for sure.

However, a big plus for say a stainless neck bored into a copper body is the strength of the neck. Solid copper necks like the one on my Byron 612 are S O F T. Lean on it just the slightest bit and all of a sudden you have a putter that's 9* upright. Much easier to keep in spec with a steel neck.

Very true. I think I'm going to send it Byron and have check the specs. The last it was done was I think in 2012 by Kevin Colbert.

I wonder if the hosel could be bent back for maybe half shaft offset without screwing up the balance of the putter......?

I love the look and feel of copper putters. They develop a personality over time as they change color.

I quit making them with copper necks years ago because the necks would not hold their original specs as most people like to use their putter as a kickstand on the green while others in their group putt or they would get pressed it into the green with their off hand while bending over to get the ball out of the cup. In my case, it has nothing to do with the contrasting metals, it is solely a structural integrity issue.

Pure copper putters are typically milled from Cu alloy 110 which is 99.99% pure copper with the remaining 00.01% being oxygen. This alloy is easily brazed and an excellent craftsman can braze a neck to a blade with high a silver content solder or sil-phos and make it look like a weld. These solder types have a melt point in excess of 1100* F and are extremely strong. A bore thru with epoxy is extremely strong too and is not inferior to the brazed neck versions.


Lump

You didn't offend anyone. Putters are the one piece of equipment that are truly timeless. I love having mine modified. I was being sarcastic with my original reply. I actually like the contrasting metals on a lot of different putters. Any pics of your Byron 006? Don't feel pressured not to. There are probably 4 or 5 great putter gurus who could do the work for you.

I thought I'd resurrect this old thread. I'm thinking of trying exactly this. I'm going to purchase some older copper coated Pings and bronze Pings. My plan is to buy 3/8 round stock, set the bend, then grind, sand, file to finish. I am planning to drill a 3/8 hole in the putter and turn down the neck to fit tightly. I plan to epoxy and have a press fit,but like the look of the silver solder. It may wreck the epoxy but I'll report back with updates. Has anyone tried this? I've tried to find someone to tig braze a flowneck but none of the shops I've talked will do it. I want the original anser shape, no site line, with a flow neck.

Copper brazing would be an option. Finding someone that can do it is another issue. Here is a link from The Fabricator.

https://www.thefabricator.com/article/arcwelding/brazing-copper-and-copper-alloys

Copper can definitely be TIG welded, too.

Yes, TIG welding is a better option. I prefer the weld profile of TIG welds when performed with someone with a steady hand and great welding talent. One thing to keep in mind that fumes from welding copper is toxic. Whomever is welding this hopefully has a ventilated welding hood (helmet).