Totally makes sense, I hear what you are saying. I know the lie angle does not affect distance but it does affect the swing. I like them flatter by at least two degrees from the current specs of the 69's. When I got them, honestly I really didn't look at that but it affected my swing some so I haven't touched them in two years. I should just have them bent the 2 degrees and get on with it. The clubs are in great shape and when I hit them for awhile they felt awesome.
I have considered that with the 14's. Buying another set but then I think, why don't I just get the 69's to the specs I want and use them, since I already own them. The other issue is that I switched to a regular shaft flex this past year from stiff. At 56 I just felt it was time to go back. I was losing a little distance. It has helped a great deal and they feel a little more friendly these days. So I would have to have the 69's reshafted also . So after all that Buying another set of 14's might even be cheaper than doing all that.
So as promised, the new driving iron.
Yeah it's beautiful. Very similar to the VR Pros I've matched it with, even looks identical over the ball, save for the extra grooves on the Nike. Bought it standard loft and lie, half an inch long with an S400 TI, same as the Nikes, and it is very difficult to tell its from a different manufacturer.
Performance seems absolutely spot on. Took it to the range last night, and using Toptracer it was going around 195 - exactly 10 more than my 4 iron and 10 less than my hybrid, so exactly what I was looking for. The tracer at the range I use tends to underestimate distance a bit, so I'm fairly confident that will translate to around 220 on the course, so perfect.
That was borne out by a quick 9 I've just finished. Course was remarkably dry, although we were on temporary greens so was playing a bit shorter than usual. Still apart from the 1st tee, where I carved it left a tad, it performed really well. Proper fairway finder, and playing it off the deck back in my stance a little made for some pretty consistent stingers.
Finished 1 under too, so a pretty successful afternoon.
Question for the 3-wedge guys:
My Hogan channelbacks are in 3-E(PW) and I just got them measured again at the end of season. Starting from 3i upwards, I have 23.5, 26.5, 30.5, 34.5, 38, 42, 46, 50. I treat it like a 4-GW set because the distances are comparable to modern lofts (210-126yd carry). I'll probably get the half degrees bent slightly strong to round out the set to whole numbers.
With that configuration, going 54-12 58-08 for sand and lob makes the most sense to me. Have any of you had an issue with using a high bounce 54 for bunker play? I'm not opposed to going 56 60 if that's the case .
Question About Bending Mizuno Blades ...
I would like to close the gap between my PW (MP-20) and 54 degree wedge by bending the Mizuno PW two degrees weak (to 48) and the 9 iron one degree weak (to 43). I know this will affect bounce (add) and offset (subtract) but I'm wondering about the actual impact -- from those who have done this -- on the integrity and playability of the iron. I have never changed lofts on a club by more than one degree.
I've done almost exactly what you describe with several sets of Ram Tour Grinds and a set of Mizuno MS-11s. The Rams are 1* to 2* weak, some of them possibly more, and the Mizunos are 2* weak in the 5-PW. I found no playability issues in doing so.
You'll have to adjust your thinking, however, about distance and trajectory. If you think about those in terms of the lofts, instead of the club numbers, adjusting will be easier.
Thanks, and good point. The PW and 9i will effectively become the equivalent of my gap wedge and PW from my previous (non-blade) irons.
So I bought a set of 1948 Macgregor Ben Hogan 1522 irons recently and what is funny is these clubs were originally a store line model, not a professional model, so you’d think some of the attributes of these clubs would be geared towards the more novice player. Well, after I got these clubs in hand I couldn’t believe the design. Very large heads compared to the professional clubs of the same period, but the topline is razor thin and the offset is truely non existent. These are probably unicorn clubs for some blade enthusiasts here.
I took them out for 9 yesterday and they are beautiful.
How long is the hosel on that hogan?
4 inches 😁
And a 2.25" ferrule. Love it!
Just back from first range session with Cobra Kings. I should say that when I picked them up last week I was slightly disappointed to find the 4-6 irons are CBs but it was a good deal and they were shiny and it’s new clubs!! Also liked the idea of trying the C-Taper shaft.
My son was with me so we did some back to back testing with the MP4s with S300s (which somehow found their way into his bag!!).
Initial impressions are that the Cobras feel really different to the Mizzys. It’s hard to put my finger on the exact difference but it’s something I noticed after the very first shot. The only way I can put it is that the Cobras feel more powerful. The blade length is definitely more compact and squat and could be contributing to the feeling together with the shaft. The sound is similar but slightly less muted than the MP4s...a thin hit is definitely much louder with the Cobras. Not sure whether the tungsten plug is something to do with that.
Flight- and distance-wise, I couldn’t really tell any difference and tbh there is absolutely nothing between the MP4s and Cobras in the 4-6 irons. I would need to get onto a launch monitor to verify.
One noticeable thing is that it felt easier to ‘go after’ the C-Tapers if I wanted to eke out a few extra yards.
I just need to get them onto the course to see how they actually perform but not much chance of that at the moment as my part of the UK seems to be under a permanent rain cloud 😴
Picked up two more sets of blades over the holiday season:
Set #1: Mizuno MP-67 S300 3-PW
Set #2: Adams (Raw) MB2 3-PW KBS Tour Stiff
I’ve had solid range sessions with both sets and they will definitely see on-course action in the near/moderate future. My FG-62s are still in the rotation.
I'll second that love!
The C taper has a unique effect on the sound of your shots. Same head with s300 vs c taper will sound much different. Kinda like a thuuunp
That ferrule's definitely compensating for something!
Incidentally, and this is something I don't like to share with strangers on the Internet, but I have a bit of a ferrule fetish. Those tickle me jimminies, I tell ya.
I'm not even sure what jimminies are, but mine are been tickled right now.
Funny you mention this. I've put my set of MP-14s in the bag, and have been practising with them. I think of the PW as a 50* gap wedge, and the 46* 9i is therefore like the PW in my MP4s or Wilson FG62s (actually 47*). My 50* gap wedge goes 130 yards. My MP14 goes 120-ish. Ho! so the MP14s are short, I thought.
Then realised I'm comparing summer distances to winter distances, pre-hernia distances to post-hernia distances, and good swing to (now) crappy swing. So, perhaps the MP14s aren't so short after all.
Actually, at the range today, a big missing piece clicked into place and I was getting some distance back, with the PW going about 125 yards. That was nice.
There was a guy next to me today striping his Titleist 680s (I peeked). He even had a 2i in there, and was practising with it. He was hitting it as high as my 5i, which is pretty impressive with those crappy range balls. I was quite jealous. Also saw 2 different chaps with MP20s (or Mizuno Pro 120s as they are called here). From the back, they did look a lot like my MP14s that I had with me.
Yeah, final round for US Open 2020! Santa was good to me. Merry Christmas and the best to all of coming year.
I've always thought the MP4s had a solid ‘thunk’ at impact, not so much a ‘buttery’ feel. The Cobras definitely have a ‘thwack’ if that makes sense.
Really can’t wait to get them out on course where I will see and feel the real difference.
I'm all ears on thoughts of C-Tapers'. May try them on FG59 or Titleist 962B.
Had somewhat aggravating season, where mid & short iron ball striking was better than ever and long through Driver had regressed. Would feel like I had to do a lot of unnecessary things to get longer clubs to work well. Lot of disconnect going on. EE and steep delivery, so forth.. Hit upon tendency of collapsing tush line in back swing. More specific, my lead butt cheek did not stay back in 1st half of swing which led to all sorts of chaos transition on. Weird is notion that one hinges off left hip to build ground pressure in right foot. The change is subtle but does much to simplify swing and enhances ability to create a space, one that allow arms a portal to fire through properly. Regained a ton of pop on driver and my #7i was hitting new highs with full control. So I'm stoked about all things golf right now, have some tasty builds in the pipe and hit upon an epiphany that might resolve an issue that has been dogging me for long time. Cheers.
Not got a game booked for 10 days and weather is not conducive to getting out there before then any way but as soon as I get some rounds in, I’ll report in on the C-Tapers.
My game this season has been opposite to yours to some extent...long game has been great, 100 yards in has been a car crash. Either too steep and chunking it or thin bullets 30 yards through the green! Lots of great ball-striking rounds completely undone by the pitching game. I have resorted to watching back Nick Faldo’s Golf Course (from when he changed his swing with Leadbetter) to try and get some feelings back to striking a good wedge. On the range it seems like I’m making progress...we’ll see when I get to the course. For me, the Faldo video breaks the swing down into very simple portions which is easy to put together as a whole...it’s always worked when I’m lost with my swing. The drills really work for me and seem to be working for my lad who’s been playing for a couple of months.
Hope that epiphany comes to fruition! 👍
Played my last round of the year today. It was cold, below 10*C (50*F) with a cold northern wind, which at the beginning was about a 2-clubber, but it died down a lot for the second half.
I didn't play very well, as I've got a really problem with flipping my wrists, which I may have had before my hernia but my hernia has certainly exacerbated it That said, it affects my woods more than my irons, so while I was awful off the tee, I was often able to recover something with the irons, including setting up a couple of unlikely birdie chances after poor tee-shoots.
I played the FG62s today, although I had been practising with the MP14s up to the round, but I just love the 62s.
Iron shots OK, chipping good, woods/tee shots bad, putting just not good...45 and 40 for an 85, which included 2 OB and one penalty off the tee. And 37 putts...with good chipping.
Not a great round, but a round in which made me realise my short game has improved a lot over the year, and I also finally figured out a way to stop me flipping. I don't need to think about hernia pain (left side), but concentrate on dropping the right elbow and I can smack the ball with no repercussions.
So that's good.
If it makes you feel better, Catchy, the high temperature here today will be -1C or -2C. And that's considered above average.
Hah, hitting range today, so we'll see. Short clubs need more shoulder, less arms and hands just relegated to face control. Crown of lead wrist leading the hands that are "knuckles down". All this goes well for me on chip shots to #7i. On longer clubs, lose Goldilocks of extension -> flexion -> extension of body and probably for several reasons but can sense hip rotation is a 70% 'er. Can hold & unload firing of right side properly with short clubs, have a harder time with longer. Either swing is too long or I'm too impatient in transition or both but gaining more efficiency of hip rotation can only help. Noticed that my hip tilt gets off on wider setup. Trying level them more in setup and work from there. Dunno. My best swings feel like arms "go for the ride" on the back of fast shoulder speed. The suspension system of legs and hips has a lot of impact on how well one can rotate thru with shoulders. With longer clubs, mine feel slow, with shorter, pretty fast. Seems like my bottom end is rickety. So better setup, holding tush line and proper downward angle of hips is where I'm working it today.
Well hit like 200 balls, pretty mom gave a full bucket. Feel like I'm in right zip code, have a greater sense of ground force and a flattening of bottom. Think Rory or Tom Lehman, keister drops and lead hip pulls back faster. #5i and big dog working better. Noticed also that extension of torso is too little, need higher trail shoulder with long sticks. The right muscles (glutes) are tired but rest feels good to go for tomorrow, lol. 1st world problems. 681's are super solid, love em.
That's what you get for living so close to Canada. They have so much cold, they export it to other countries.
Although it was pretty cold yesterday, I was able to get away with wearing just two layers. A "gokudan" heat-tech polo from Uniqlo and an old-school Pringle wooden jumper. The Gokudans are amazing, warm and good at keeping the wind out.
Well it's a positively balmy 6 degree celsuis here with barely a drop of wind - the wife got me a Shotscope for Xmas, so am going to pop out for 9 and give it a whirl - haven't set the tags up yet, so trying GPS only.
Am in a pretty good place with my game though, have made a couple of tweaks to my pre shot routine, trying to straighten up my takeaway - short version, Ive always done the Dufner waggles, but now I'm trying to waggle the club back straight rather than inside. Seems to have made things much straighter off the tee, so promising so far. Shame due to the weather my short game is getting a little rusty, still a couple of months to get rid of the cobwebs before the season starts.
anyone hit the new miura mb101's?
First round with the Cobras/C-Tapers today. All I can see is that I am really looking forward to the rest of the year!! On course, it is obvious that Cobra heads are somewhat squatter than the MP4s which seems to make them feel denser and somehow more powerful. It might just be a combination of the heads, tungsten plug and the C-Tapers, but I can definitely see a more penetrating flight and perhaps a couple of yards more per club. Feel is really nice and confidence-inspiring...distance control pretty much dialled in from the start. C-Tapers feel ‘smoother’ than S300s on full shots, but I worry that they will be harder to control on partial shots...time will tell. Will get a few more rounds in before the season properly starts in March with a 4 day links-fest in South Wales.
I walked into the local second hand shop after New Year and immediately my eyes lighted upon a set of Mizuno TN-87s, 2-PW, in pretty good condition with S400 shafts and good grips. Price OK, certainly better than any I've seen on the net. Gave them a quick whack in the net, liked them in the long and medium irons particularly, and asked the shop to keep them for me for a couple of days to mull over.
Walk in the next day a little before closing time, and noticed a set of Cally Protos, 3-PW, with S400 shafts and excellent grips for under $100. One shaft is a bit rusty, but playable, and the rest are fine.
What to do...? I went back the next day (today) to hit them alongside the TN-87s, and ended up saying I didn't want the Mizunos, but asked them to keep the Callaways for me. I reckon I'll trade in a couple of clubs and pick up the Callaways tomorrow or the day after.
The reason I turned the TN-87s down? Too short. The PW was the standard 35", and that and the 9i just play too short for me. I also didn't like the offset much in the short irons. The middle and long irons were great (loved the 2i), but the Cally Protos also felt great, and the PW (48*, I think), is 35.5" so it'll fit in better with my new Cleveland RTX4 forged wedges, which I got at 35.5" in both the 52* and 58*.
Just finished stripping the paint fill on my Vegas. I think it really makes the raw finish pop now.
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