Actually been playing one of my sets of Titleist 962b for quite some time now, the sole grind and turf interaction just suit me perfectly, always have. I moved a couple of sets of Founders 200 series blades and only kept two sets of the “Payne grind” of those as my “Janzen grind” sets seemed a touch more difficult to flight down for me due to more offset and a lower muscle/vertical c.o.g. than the preferred sets that I kept. All that being said, lots of positives in the RF protos that got to see in hand recently and I have a couple of Bridgestone/Tourstage options that show a bit of promise as well.
I could see many clubs working well with improved sole grinds. And those 962bs are fine clubs. They still have a good muscle within that "cavity", as do many CBs.
One of these days I hope to come across some Founders Club 200s out in the wild. Then I'm gonna beg the owner to let me hit one just once. At the moment the only classic irons on my wish list to actually buy are Wilson FG-59s. But at the right price and condition I might buy some FCs.
I'm so jelly you've seen the rev33s in person! Please do tell if you get to hit them soon. 😁
@Mitchell your post about those 962b's made me study them even further. Also being the exceptional golfer that you are, it made me wonder why you would choose and play them over truer blades. And looking at the sole grind in more detail I *think* I know why now. The soles and true bottom of the club have been grinded down to a surface area that is even LESS than most blades! Even though it's a cavity design with more mass at the perimeter, what they did with that club is grind the trailing edge of the sole to make the true "bottom" of the club as minimal as possible. That's an awesome grind! 👍
I'll bet that if you compare that sole in a side by side pic to that of your Founders Club blades for the same # iron as the 962b it would have one just as small if not smaller than the FC blade. Just looking at stock pics online that's what it looks like to me.
They're finally done. Took PW & #9i for quick spin, they swing very nicely & are super solid feeling. The S.P.B. launch perfect and have lots of intuition to them. SW came out a point heavier than planned. Ferrules could have been done a bit better, but progression of gross weight, SW and lengths are spot on. About 7g a head, .400" lengths and a graduated SW from D6 in PW & 9i, to D5 in 8i & 7i, D4 in 6i & 5i, d3.5 in #4i. Lengths were set so I can hard step with ease if I desire.
The 681's get the hook, the 41CX go in bag right away based on a dozen swings at the ball field.
Brother Nard, those are reasonably attractive, I must say. 😁
@Nard_S , those are very nice 👍🏻 had the opportunity to acquire a set of those for a more than reasonable price back in 2013 when I lived on Oahu- of all the rare to see on mainland golf equipment I encountered there, which was quite a bit- I still occasionally wish had jumped on that chance. Hope you enjoy them!
@Nard_S those are some se*y MFers. I keep singing the Prince song when I look at them. That super solid feel comes from that super solid muscle design. The shape is simple and elegant. Side by side topline, sole, and muscle pics with your 681s would be nice.
I can do that. Can tell you they are 3mm taller than 681's and near same on length. They are heavier too by about 5 gram average. The sole is more cambered & have a uniform off set of 3mm. The 681's are really good clubs but the shafts are "X" & plus 1/2". The "S" of S.P.B. have a smoother feel though there's nothing light about them, lengths are +1/4:" in short irons, standard in mids, minus 1/4" in long irons. All of which are ideal to my liking.
Love to see the differences you speak of in the Founders sets. How do you know which is which? If you can enlighten me, that'd be very appreciated. I've accumulated a few sets. All I know is they are really nice.
Yes. Hitt'em good.
Yeah my baby blades are heavier heads too. The hosel is beefier than most clubs which makes them heavier despite the smaller head.
Mitchell has got my head churning with his talk and my observation of his 962b soles. Also those pics will help me validate some things I'm seeing between them as I look at stock 681 pics. So thanks in advance! Also even beforehand I'm going to go out on a limb and say that those 41CXs are going to have beautiful turf interaction for you.
Seriously my blade brother, those are awesome and more awesome as I keep looking at them. And that chrome-ish sheen is too beautiful. Out in the sun they are going to sparkle beautifully. Great score. 👍👍 😍😍😍
@Kingcat990 I hope these two pics put the size of those Vector Lites into perspective as compared to my BBs.
They are not that much longer but the overall sole surface area is significantly bigger because they are wider. BBs FTW in that regard.
681's have more conventional sole than the 962B. They do have some bounce & camber, they are not pure blunt. 962B has the 4 way camber thing going, as do most all Maruman's. 681's look to me inspired by MP-14's. (Tiger did play those). The silhouette all around is nearly identical, there's just a bit more beef & a taller faced look to them. Real lookers. They perform too. They don't have Mizuno grain forged, but they do come with dowels. :)
Thanks. Even without pics you just validated what I was thinking. I thought I saw camber in the 41CXs that was similar to the 962bs. Light and reflections can trick your eyes, though. Make you think there are curves and corners when there are not. Also in the heel to toe dimension it looks like the 41CX sole has more curvature than the 681's.
Agreed on the mp14 and 681 similarities. The only observable difference is how the top boundary of the muscle curves towards the toe. But overall muscle shape is similar. To me the 681s are like a combination mp14 and mp33.
Since only have the Payne grind sets anymore, don’t have ability to post a side by side comparison anymore- yet glad to give my thoughts, such as they are on those, also note that during their retail production run, there were a couple of variants as well. The best way to describe profile/ shaping of the Payne grinds is like a Nike VR Pro TW with a bit more bounce and camber. The Janzen grind has a bit shorter blade length, a higher, square toe and significantly less bounce, sole really reminds me of the “MacCobras”. Janzen grind also has more offset than Payne, with the Payne PW being higher in heel than the Janzen- this, along with reduced offset, makes Payne PW look much less like the infamous Japanese garden implement wedges common during that period across many manufacturers. Janzen wedges and short irons tend to remind me of those preferred by Olazabal, hardly surprising since both were Macgregor players for more than a few years. Hope that helps a bit!
Sounds like we need to get Don White to grind us a GolfWRX Blade Users-specific Blade that we can all use...I think he had a hand in most of the clubs mentioned 👍
The WRX Limited Edition Shameless Blade Ho Grind. 😂
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Hi DN...good to see you back!
Hope all is well in these strange times 👍
My Blades Brother mahonie, thank you and it is good to be back. Yes, things are well despite the current social distancing environment. LOL my wife and I are hermits anyway so to us life goes by as usual. My hair is long and scrubby, if there's anything to complain about. 😝
Good to see you in here and see your posts in other threads. I don't post much myself outside of this one and a few others. Helps me keep my WRX sanity to limit my reads. 😂
Hope all is well with you too and that your blades are still behaving. 😁
Glad all is good with 👍
All good here DN...probably a sad indictment of my lifestyle but nothing much has changed despite lockdown 🤭😂.
Obviously golf has been off the agenda but I had decided to pause my club membership in any case as my club for the last 10 years had declined in quality due to neglect over time. The extremely wet winter highlighted the poor maintenance of the drainage system and the course was waterlogged for the best part of October to March. I only played 8 times in that time due to course closures. Courses are back open now but I am not yet inclined to venture out. I will try some other courses before deciding on membership over the next few months.
The MP4s are no longer in my bag! My 19 year-old son decided that he wanted to start playing last summer and he took a shine to the Mizzys (hits them really well and had developed a nice baby draw) and I couldn’t take to playing my Mac MT Pro Cs full time so invested in the Cobras I now have. Tbh, I thought I was getting the full MB set but when I got to the shop it was the ‘flow’ set. Hit them ok and I’m a sucker for a bargain 😳.The heads are really compact and suit my eye but the CBs (4-6 irons) don’t have the same feel although they’re not too bad.
Stay safe 👍
mahonie without MP-4s somehow doesn't seem real....😥
While I don't play my MP-4s as much because I like to play a lot more persimmon and old blades now, I can't leave them out of the modern bag. The MP-4s compete with Wilson FG-62s, with the FG-62s being the go-to choice in windy weather (really low ball flight).
@mahonie Since you passed those beautiful MP-4s along to your son I cannot give you too much grief about it. When I was around 16 I commandeered my father's Hogan Vector Lites (per 3i pics a few posts ago) after I took a liking to them. You are a good golf daddy putting your son before yourself. You "took one for the team" playing CBs. 😁
And I know what you are saying about players CBs not feeling as good but still playing not too bad. That's how my mp60s were. I call those clubs 'MAWBBs' as in Might As Well Be Blades. 😂. The feel is what kills them for me.
Good to hear all is well with you too and that the saddest part, IMHO only, is that you are playing CBs. That's darn near golf he** to me. 😭😭😭
My GripMasters arrived yesterday, now it's time to nut up or shut up (yeah, I like the Zombieland movies). Have to decide if i want to go with Golden Rams or Mizunos as the recipient of this batch of leather.
What grips do you currently have on both those sets? Put those Roos the set that needs replacement the most. LOL my prediction is that you'll have them on both eventually anyway. Good-bye miss hit sting 4eva! 🤗
The Golden Rams are a reshaft project, switching from Rifle to DG. The Mizunos could be either MS-11, which are also a reshaft project, or the MP37, which have two Best Grips Microperfs (they'd remain) and six moderately worn MCC's.
The question is, which do I want to play going forward. 😁
That's a tough call. Putting them on the Rams with new shafts makes sense to me. But also I personally don't like Best Grips Microperfs myself, so I'd want to ditch them at first opportunity. Looking forward to seeing how you like the Roos either way.
7-iron to PW are still blades so I’m only halfway there 😳👍
Blade users are always optimists. Glass half full types. 😂😂😂
No sir, thems just sequential lofted wedges in those clubs. You get your **** back down to 4i like the rest of this thread!
Ha ha...tbh during lockdown I’ve been practicing 5 yard bump and runs with my wedges in the lounge and the feel of the MP4 vs the Cobra has got me thinking that I may try and swap them back...just hoping my son takes a fancy to the Cobras 🤔😂😂😂
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