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  • Andrew McGee IIAndrew McGee II Division II baby : PGM Student  19WRX Points: 0Members Posts: 19
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    psufish wrote:


    TB07 wrote:



    So many ways to play golf



    What is the only universal position we must all have



    Anyone?




    None. You have to control impact, but the impact position itself is not universal.


    Controlling ball dispersion and low point should be your only goal. This is what makes all handicap golfers play better and enjoy the game. Stop worrying about the Ben Hogan look which is why Dan Iteach is the best on here.

    If you only listen to Dan, you will play better golf




    You seem to know a lot about the history of this forum for only having joined it yesterday...


    No idea what you are talking about. But I was a long time follower/especially of Dan Iteach
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  • rustyhoborustyhobo  268WRX Points: 0Members Posts: 268
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    TB07 wrote:



    So many ways to play golf



    What is the only universal position we must all have



    Anyone?






    None. You have to control impact, but the impact position itself is not universal.


    Controlling ball dispersion and low point should be your only goal. This is what makes all handicap golfers play better and enjoy the game. Stop worrying about the Ben Hogan look which is why Dan Iteach is the best on here.

    If you only listen to Dan, you will play better golf




    What a shill.
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  • eightironeightiron  3136WRX Points: 0Banned Posts: 3,136
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    rustyhobo wrote:


    TB07 wrote:



    So many ways to play golf



    What is the only universal position we must all have



    Anyone?






    None. You have to control impact, but the impact position itself is not universal.


    Controlling ball dispersion and low point should be your only goal. This is what makes all handicap golfers play better and enjoy the game. Stop worrying about the Ben Hogan look which is why Dan Iteach is the best on here.

    If you only listen to Dan, you will play better golf




    What a shill.




    Its a McGee Up
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  • Andrew McGee IIAndrew McGee II Division II baby : PGM Student  19WRX Points: 0Members Posts: 19
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    rustyhobo wrote:


    TB07 wrote:



    So many ways to play golf



    What is the only universal position we must all have



    Anyone?






    None. You have to control impact, but the impact position itself is not universal.


    Controlling ball dispersion and low point should be your only goal. This is what makes all handicap golfers play better and enjoy the game. Stop worrying about the Ben Hogan look which is why Dan Iteach is the best on here.

    If you only listen to Dan, you will play better golf




    What a shill.


    Hardly . I'm in the golf business and I see what works and what doesn't. Playing Ben Hogan does not work folks
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  • eightironeightiron  3136WRX Points: 0Banned Posts: 3,136
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    rustyhobo wrote:


    TB07 wrote:



    So many ways to play golf



    What is the only universal position we must all have



    Anyone?






    None. You have to control impact, but the impact position itself is not universal.


    Controlling ball dispersion and low point should be your only goal. This is what makes all handicap golfers play better and enjoy the game. Stop worrying about the Ben Hogan look which is why Dan Iteach is the best on here.

    If you only listen to Dan, you will play better golf




    What a shill.


    Hardly . I'm in the golf business and I see what works and what doesn't. Playing Ben Hogan does not work folks




    Playing Jack Nicklaus or Sam Snead or virtually any great golfer doesn't work out either . No 2 people swing the same
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  • golfnffgolfnff  324WRX Points: 0Members Posts: 324
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    So many ways to play golf



    What is the only universal position we must all have



    Anyone?




    Possibly secondary tilt at impact?
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  • Redjeep83Redjeep83  5558WRX Points: 402Members Posts: 5,558
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    lv_2_hack wrote:

    Redjeep83 wrote:

    lv_2_hack wrote:

    Redjeep83 wrote:

    Redjeep83 wrote:


    Tb and lv, look at post 112, notice how he comes off the tush line more starting his downswing compared to top of backswing. What do you call that?




    Also notice, he has barely come off tush line at the top of backswing. When he goes into downswing and shaft flattens is when he does EE. In other words on the downswing. I learned this from a really good instructor who has been teaching for over 25 years and has pga tour players calling him while I'm there




    I'll reply more in depth later but look at the pictures I posted. The 2 lines i drew were tush line at setup and tush line at the top of the backswing. I wouldn't call that barely.




    we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one, Im dont want to drag this thread out anymore on this. You asked me to show you Jim Furyk coming off the tush line, Look at my post #112 in this thread. You can keep moving the goals posts but I showed you




    How am I moving the goal posts? This all started from you stating that decent players could still steepen from a vertical backswing. The only mistake I made was referring to Furyk losing his 'tushline', which he does in the backswing. But he isn't a goat humper, nor does he EE on the downswing. If I had said EE instead of referring to tush line, you wouldn't have anything to stand on.



    EE is obviously early extension. That early 'extension' is referring to the spine extending. Furyk's spine doesn't extend at all. As kiwi noticed he maintains spine angle like a champ.



    I personally think EE is WAY overblown, but since you asked, I would simply state that EE is the loss of posture from p5 to impact.





    Common traits of EEer's include: loss of spine angle, standing shaft up at impact, right heel coming off the ground very early in downswing (toward ball, not target), overactive hips, very vertical shaft at p5 to p5.5 (but can also be very underneath as well), loss of tush line from p5 to impact, hips working toward the ball into impact with ZERO rotation and loss of posture, head working up vertically and so on and so forth.



    Now, how many of these traits does Furyk have? I say zero. In fact he does the opposite of many of these. He stays in spine flexion too long, he increases his tush line from top of the backswing until impact. And last but not least, that camera angle in your pic/video is down the target line (WAY to far to the right) and not on the hand line. Almost every golfer on tour would lose their tush line at the start of their downswing due to their hips rotating. They will appear to come off the line until the left glute reapears.




    Tpi I seems to disagree with your definition, http://www.mytpi.com/improve-my-game/swing-characteristics/early-extension
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  • lv_2_hacklv_2_hack Texas 2340WRX Points: 113Members Posts: 2,340
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    Really red? This argument was a month old. Why start it up again?



    I'm certified with TPI, I know what their definitions are. They started the EE craze. They also said I would have EE based on my screenings and I stay in flexion longer than Furyk does. So they aren't always right.



    Again, your camera angle on the Furyk argumenent is garbage. That far to the right will make anyone look like they EE on the downswing until the left glute reapears. Furyk would never leave your 'tush line holy grail' in the backswing if he didn't lift his arms up toward his nose.
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  • oikos1oikos1  2519WRX Points: 311Members Posts: 2,519
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    Really red? This argument was a month old. Why start it up again?



    Ha...at the risk of offending a group of people somewhere in the world, I'll just say sometimes it takes an individual a longer period of time searching the world wide web to find resources that defend their position. If that's not the case, then I also wonder why the random delay in thought...
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  • Redjeep83Redjeep83  5558WRX Points: 402Members Posts: 5,558
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    lv_2_hack wrote:


    Really red? This argument was a month old. Why start it up again?



    I'm certified with TPI, I know what their definitions are. They started the EE craze. They also said I would have EE based on my screenings and I stay in flexion longer than Furyk does. So they aren't always right.



    Again, your camera angle on the Furyk argumenent is garbage. That far to the right will make anyone look like they EE on the downswing until the left glute reapears. Furyk would never leave your 'tush line holy grail' in the backswing if he didn't lift his arms up toward his nose.




    Came across that webpage when searching something today, thought it was appropriate. The bolded part is very true, there is always a cause for it!
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