Epon AF Tour CB Vs. Miura CB57

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  • Batman1971Batman1971 Members Posts: 493
    MJisGOAT wrote:


    Batman1971 wrote:



    Just need to see the 8-9-P pics before I even think about buying a set lol

    Here is a pic of the all satin head...





    That's the finish the AF Tour CB should be presented in !

    Definitely check out some photos of the scoring irons as I'm sure you'll love Em .

    The last of Boomers comparison photos of the 7 irons should give you a pretty good indication of the differences .

    Is there anywhere close by you where you can check a set of CB57s out and actually hold and hit em ?




    Yes, I can have a Muira dealer send me their demo with the shaft of my choice to test. But before I even do that I want to see if the 8-9-Pw head shape is to my liking.


    Great minds MJ !

    Now that's a PW !
    Epon 103 9.5* Quadra Fire Express 75s
    PXG 3 wood 15* GD Tour AD-DJ 7x
    PXG 3 & 4 Hybrids GD Tour AD-DI hy85s
    Miura CB 57s 5 - PW KBS C-Taper Lite S
    Miura New Wedge Series 50 , 54 & 58
    Yamada Shogun
  • Scratch2PlusScratch2Plus Members Posts: 2,200
    Dang! Hmmm...I have a few members that are interested in my Epons, lol



    Thanks for the pics MJ!
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  • chillr710chillr710 Members Posts: 827
    Just jumping into the the convo late here....

    I agree with what has been said about the Epon models... the tour CB should of been the 303. and the 303 irons something higher. Doesn't seem to work. Nevermind.



    I have a set of 302's being built for me at the moment to replace my Apex Pro's. I demoed them a lot with a few different shafts and I just love them. My only small gripe would be the offset is a tiny too much for my eye. But they still play amazing. Although I have only ever seen a hit and seen a 6 iron.



    The CB57 look like absolute magic. I'm not a massive fan of the look of the back cavity though, but the pictures of them at address with the satin look sensational!!
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  • TheBoomer TheBoomer Members Posts: 3,376 ✭✭


    Boomer, would you mind snapping a few pics of the 8-9-Pw on the MIURA CB 57's?




    I'll post some tomorrow of both sets
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  • Scratch2PlusScratch2Plus Members Posts: 2,200
    no worries Boomer, MJ gave me the link to the Miura CB 57's.

    All the pictures were there so pics not necessary.



    How do the Loomis shafts play? Anything to compare them to? Aerotech? Fuji Mci?

    Thanks.
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    TM M2 Tour HL ~ GD AD F75
    RomaRo Type R Ute ~ GD UT 85
    Titleist VG3 ~ Nippon 130s
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  • Batman1971Batman1971 Members Posts: 493


    no worries Boomer, MJ gave me the link to the Miura CB 57's.

    All the pictures were there so pics not necessary.



    How do the Loomis shafts play? Anything to compare them to? Aerotech? Fuji Mci?

    Thanks.


    What did you think of the pics ?
    Epon 103 9.5* Quadra Fire Express 75s
    PXG 3 wood 15* GD Tour AD-DJ 7x
    PXG 3 & 4 Hybrids GD Tour AD-DI hy85s
    Miura CB 57s 5 - PW KBS C-Taper Lite S
    Miura New Wedge Series 50 , 54 & 58
    Yamada Shogun
  • Scratch2PlusScratch2Plus Members Posts: 2,200
    ^^^^ Very nice. Working on selling my Epons with a few members before making a decision. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
    TI TM M2 ~ Tensei CK Pro Orange 60s
    TM M2 Tour HL ~ GD AD F75
    RomaRo Type R Ute ~ GD UT 85
    Titleist VG3 ~ Nippon 130s
    Vokey Cold Forged Copper 50F~ TM HT 58* bent to 55* ~ TM HT 60*
    Ping Cadence TR
    ProV1x



    Never tell a grown man how to spend his money...
  • needmoregolfneedmoregolf Members Posts: 499
    chillr710 wrote:


    Just jumping into the the convo late here....

    I agree with what has been said about the Epon models... the tour CB should of been the 303. and the 303 irons something higher. Doesn't seem to work. Nevermind.



    I have a set of 302's being built for me at the moment to replace my Apex Pro's. I demoed them a lot with a few different shafts and I just love them. My only small gripe would be the offset is a tiny too much for my eye. But they still play amazing. Although I have only ever seen a hit and seen a 6 iron.



    The CB57 look like absolute magic. I'm not a massive fan of the look of the back cavity though, but the pictures of them at address with the satin look sensational!!




    I agree, the CB57 actually feel fantastic, and not an issue at address, but looking at them sitting in the bag is definitely not as nice as staring at a set of AF Tours which are gorgeous. The AFT's are really easy to hit, but a tad short in distance IMO for me to own again, as there are a lot of other great blades out there that have a better blend of both. Hard to argue w/ that unique upon feel though.
  • Batman1971Batman1971 Members Posts: 493

    chillr710 wrote:


    Just jumping into the the convo late here....

    I agree with what has been said about the Epon models... the tour CB should of been the 303. and the 303 irons something higher. Doesn't seem to work. Nevermind.



    I have a set of 302's being built for me at the moment to replace my Apex Pro's. I demoed them a lot with a few different shafts and I just love them. My only small gripe would be the offset is a tiny too much for my eye. But they still play amazing. Although I have only ever seen a hit and seen a 6 iron.



    The CB57 look like absolute magic. I'm not a massive fan of the look of the back cavity though, but the pictures of them at address with the satin look sensational!!




    I agree, the CB57 actually feel fantastic, and not an issue at address, but looking at them sitting in the bag is definitely not as nice as staring at a set of AF Tours which are gorgeous. The AFT's are really easy to hit, but a tad short in distance IMO for me to own again, as there are a lot of other great blades out there that have a better blend of both. Hard to argue w/ that unique upon feel though.




    Youre right about the feel of the 57s , they feel fantastic !

    As for the looks , I personally love them and was only to happy to choose them over a couple of Epons models but as they say in the classics "One mans trash is another mans treasure" .

    The back cavity of the 57s was not designed for looks but for function . One of the reasons the 57s feel so good is due to the presence of the muscle bar in the cavity .

    When you strike it pure you can feel the muscle bar hit right through the ball & every time I have I've loved the look of it when I've put it back in the bag !

    However , the only looks that truly matter to me with an iron is the look at address and how the ball looks on the green nestled in close to the hole !

    Epon 103 9.5* Quadra Fire Express 75s
    PXG 3 wood 15* GD Tour AD-DJ 7x
    PXG 3 & 4 Hybrids GD Tour AD-DI hy85s
    Miura CB 57s 5 - PW KBS C-Taper Lite S
    Miura New Wedge Series 50 , 54 & 58
    Yamada Shogun
  • MJisGOATMJisGOAT Members Posts: 4,586 ✭✭

    chillr710 wrote:


    Just jumping into the the convo late here....

    I agree with what has been said about the Epon models... the tour CB should of been the 303. and the 303 irons something higher. Doesn't seem to work. Nevermind.



    I have a set of 302's being built for me at the moment to replace my Apex Pro's. I demoed them a lot with a few different shafts and I just love them. My only small gripe would be the offset is a tiny too much for my eye. But they still play amazing. Although I have only ever seen a hit and seen a 6 iron.



    The CB57 look like absolute magic. I'm not a massive fan of the look of the back cavity though, but the pictures of them at address with the satin look sensational!!




    I agree, the CB57 actually feel fantastic, and not an issue at address, but looking at them sitting in the bag is definitely not as nice as staring at a set of AF Tours which are gorgeous. The AFT's are really easy to hit, but a tad short in distance IMO for me to own again, as there are a lot of other great blades out there that have a better blend of both. Hard to argue w/ that unique upon feel though.
    If you want bag appeal then play blades.



    The 501's looked amazing in the bag, but since when does that equate to playability. The 501's also have that odd long heel to toe scoring irons shape, which is unappealing no matter how well the cavity looks.



    The 57's are the best cb Miura has to date. Simple, elegant, functional, playable for a broad range of players, classic yet modern design. If there ever was a "holy grail" then the 57's are it.

    Cali
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  • MJisGOATMJisGOAT Members Posts: 4,586 ✭✭
    Cali
    TailorMaid
    t****
    "inefficient and dead rear cavity design"
    @thereal#7
  • lumberman2462lumberman2462 Members Posts: 5,332 ✭✭
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^VERY NICE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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  • PepsiDuckPepsiDuck Members Posts: 1,850 ✭✭
    MJisGOAT wrote:


    If there ever was a "holy grail" then the 57's are it.




    Amen.



    Has anyone noticed a significant increase in launch angle with their 57s...? Pulled the shafts from my "old" MP4/MP15 combo set and put them in the 57s, and the trajectory is **significantly** higher, in a good way...have yet to play with someone who hasn't commented on how ridiculously high I hit those irons...
    TaylorMade M2 (2017) 10.5* - Aldila Synergy Black 70TX
    TaylorMade M2 (2017) Tour 15* - Fujikura Motore Speeder 757 X
    Callaway 815 Alpha Hybrid 21* - Mitsubishi Tensei Pro White 90TX
    Miura CB57 4-P - KBS C-Taper Lite X
    Miura Series 1957 Wedges - 51* (Y), 56* (K) - KBS C-Taper Lite X
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  • lumberman2462lumberman2462 Members Posts: 5,332 ✭✭
    PepsiDuck wrote:

    MJisGOAT wrote:


    If there ever was a "holy grail" then the 57's are it.




    Amen.



    Has anyone noticed a significant increase in launch angle with their 57s...? Pulled the shafts from my "old" MP4/MP15 combo set and put them in the 57s, and the trajectory is **significantly** higher, in a good way...have yet to play with someone who hasn't commented on how ridiculously high I hit those irons...




    I've only been out to hit balls and kinda play twice since I got my 57s. I'm actually having a little trouble keeping the ball down. I normally play a lot of knockdowns/punch shots and these 57s seem to try and launch the ball up there. Same shaft as my Tournament Blades.
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  • Batman1971Batman1971 Members Posts: 493
    I keep the ball pretty low , higher launch works for me .

    I also play on fast greens so coming in at a steeper angle has also given me some good results .

    I asked my fitter about this and he believes that it's attributed to the weight at the base of the muscle bar that keeps the COG low to encourage launch .





    Epon 103 9.5* Quadra Fire Express 75s
    PXG 3 wood 15* GD Tour AD-DJ 7x
    PXG 3 & 4 Hybrids GD Tour AD-DI hy85s
    Miura CB 57s 5 - PW KBS C-Taper Lite S
    Miura New Wedge Series 50 , 54 & 58
    Yamada Shogun
  • needmoregolfneedmoregolf Members Posts: 499
    I'm a high ball hitter as is but didn't notice these ballooning or anything out of the ordinary, pretty piercing ball flight actually, albeit high but boring.
  • PepsiDuckPepsiDuck Members Posts: 1,850 ✭✭


    I'm a high ball hitter as is but didn't notice these ballooning or anything out of the ordinary, pretty piercing ball flight actually, albeit high but boring.




    Yes, the ball definitely shows no signs of ballooning...just a high, piercing ball flight like you describe...with a 4 iron that goes higher than my buddy's wedges... image/bb2.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':bb2:' />
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    TaylorMade M2 (2017) Tour 15* - Fujikura Motore Speeder 757 X
    Callaway 815 Alpha Hybrid 21* - Mitsubishi Tensei Pro White 90TX
    Miura CB57 4-P - KBS C-Taper Lite X
    Miura Series 1957 Wedges - 51* (Y), 56* (K) - KBS C-Taper Lite X
    Cleveland RTX 3.0 60*
    TaylorMade Spider Tour Red
  • Scratch2PlusScratch2Plus Members Posts: 2,200
    Looks like I'll be asking for a demo from a MIURA dealer very shortly.
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  • Batman1971Batman1971 Members Posts: 493


    Looks like I'll be asking for a demo from a MIURA dealer very shortly.




    Good move Scratch !

    Let us know what you think .
    Epon 103 9.5* Quadra Fire Express 75s
    PXG 3 wood 15* GD Tour AD-DJ 7x
    PXG 3 & 4 Hybrids GD Tour AD-DI hy85s
    Miura CB 57s 5 - PW KBS C-Taper Lite S
    Miura New Wedge Series 50 , 54 & 58
    Yamada Shogun
  • BigmeanBigmean Everything is Relative Members Posts: 4,923 ✭✭


    Looks like I'll be asking for a demo from a MIURA dealer very shortly.




    Miura is the real deal. I have the 57 blades, and although my vega blades are softer(maybe softer than anything), there is something about miura impact that is just different. II have had my Miuras for a year now and been practicing a lot the last couple of months, and no matter how "used to" that impact you get, it just never gets old. It is awesome and be sure to hit off of grass if you can. I feel the essence of Miuras is much more discernible with turf interaction.
    Ryoma Maxima 9.5*/Quadra Fire Express
    913F 15*/Tour AD MT7
    Roddio 21* hybrid/Tour AD DI75
    Miura 1957 small blades/Nippon 1150 tours
    Wilson Staff V4 tour modus 130
    Mizuno MP-14/DG300-raw finish
    Buchi 50/56. RomaRo 59
    Gold's Factory custom original flat-stick amongst a couple dozen others.
  • Batman1971Batman1971 Members Posts: 493
    Bigmean wrote:



    Looks like I'll be asking for a demo from a MIURA dealer very shortly.




    Miura is the real deal. I have the 57 blades, and although my vega blades are softer(maybe softer than anything), there is something about miura impact that is just different. II have had my Miuras for a year now and been practicing a lot the last couple of months, and no matter how "used to" that impact you get, it just never gets old. It is awesome and be sure to hit off of grass if you can. I feel the essence of Miuras is much more discernible with turf interaction.




    +1
    Epon 103 9.5* Quadra Fire Express 75s
    PXG 3 wood 15* GD Tour AD-DJ 7x
    PXG 3 & 4 Hybrids GD Tour AD-DI hy85s
    Miura CB 57s 5 - PW KBS C-Taper Lite S
    Miura New Wedge Series 50 , 54 & 58
    Yamada Shogun
  • MJisGOATMJisGOAT Members Posts: 4,586 ✭✭
    Based on looks epon just can't compete with Miura.



    It looks less crafted when put alongside the Miura. Neither bring me any money, so my allegiance is to neither, but I would/have bought Miura over Epon any day.
    Cali
    TailorMaid
    t****
    "inefficient and dead rear cavity design"
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  • chiromikeychiromikey Members Posts: 1,034
    edited May 8, 2015 #54
    Lol. I love the traditional look of Miura but saying Epon can't compete on looks (or any level) is just an opinion.
  • BigmeanBigmean Everything is Relative Members Posts: 4,923 ✭✭
    I agree. I love miura but at the end of the day we are talking about luxury golf clubs
    Ryoma Maxima 9.5*/Quadra Fire Express
    913F 15*/Tour AD MT7
    Roddio 21* hybrid/Tour AD DI75
    Miura 1957 small blades/Nippon 1150 tours
    Wilson Staff V4 tour modus 130
    Mizuno MP-14/DG300-raw finish
    Buchi 50/56. RomaRo 59
    Gold's Factory custom original flat-stick amongst a couple dozen others.
  • needmoregolfneedmoregolf Members Posts: 499
    I agree as well. my problem with miura is I believe they've diluted their own brand too much and it's really confusing as a consumer as to which one to get. slight differences in grind, a muscle cut this way instead of that, done by miura-San himself or his sons, it all is just too hard to follow, so they lost me awhile ago. that being said, I still admire the craftsmanship and beauty of some of the sets, but I just can't get into them anymore...well, except for one set --- I wil have to own a set of miuraism's one day, now that one is classic!
  • BigmeanBigmean Everything is Relative Members Posts: 4,923 ✭✭
    Likely the sons are doing what sons do and trying to grow the company and expand it and the offerings. Just only look at whatever catches your eye. Plenty of miura does nothing for me looks wise, but I think the 1957 series is a home run from irons to wedges.
    Ryoma Maxima 9.5*/Quadra Fire Express
    913F 15*/Tour AD MT7
    Roddio 21* hybrid/Tour AD DI75
    Miura 1957 small blades/Nippon 1150 tours
    Wilson Staff V4 tour modus 130
    Mizuno MP-14/DG300-raw finish
    Buchi 50/56. RomaRo 59
    Gold's Factory custom original flat-stick amongst a couple dozen others.
  • MJisGOATMJisGOAT Members Posts: 4,586 ✭✭
    While the personals look stunning, all their cb's look like any other mass produced iron. The two tone chrome and stamping do them a disservice that in no way warrants their asking price.
    Cali
    TailorMaid
    t****
    "inefficient and dead rear cavity design"
    @thereal#7
  • needmoregolfneedmoregolf Members Posts: 499
    I'd say the same goes for the miura cb57, and retail prices are similar between both brands.



    one thing I will say is miura seems to uphold more of the purist player specs on many of their sets, whereas epon seems to try new things and try to innovate on the tech/specs to help playability. some may say this is for the weaker player and even unorthodox, but seems to work well for many people.



    for me, miura forged typically does look nice, but I have to give the nod to epon craftsmanship, as in most cases, they are flat out more beautiful....with the exception of miuraism's image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' /> Just my $0.02
  • flopshot99flopshot99 Banned Posts: 946
    I can get Miura for 200 club built or under. Epons are closer to 300 plus
  • needmoregolfneedmoregolf Members Posts: 499
    edited May 10, 2015 #61
    flopshot99 wrote:


    I can get Miura for 200 club built or under. Epons are closer to 300 plus




    I was specific to say retail, it's just that miura is a bit more entrenched in local markets here in the states, so a little easier to get a discount. Epon is strict with their discounting and seems to be less epon dealers but I'm willing to bet discounting can be done with full builds, one way or another either through the shafts, grips or labor costs to get fully built sets closer to your miura cost.



    Also, is $200/head built for any miura set? there are so many, seems hard to compare to make a direct price comparison with epon who has a more streamlined model lineup.
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