Itobori Golf

ucdan5ucdan5 Members Posts: 718 ✭✭
Has anyone played them? I saw a couple of irons on the bay for sale and they looked above my skill set, but sick looking nonetheless.... I love the caveman look of the grind on them.



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  • xxioxxio Members Posts: 5,676 ✭✭
    Unique but it would bother me to think that grinds are made so that a club reacts a certain way. Having these multiple small angles could have bad effects in certain lie conditions.



    In that sense I would have to call them gimmicky or at least purely aesthetic, given that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
  • ucdan5ucdan5 Members Posts: 718 ✭✭
    edited May 31, 2015 #3
    Yeah, but it would give me an excuse why the blades that I'm using (which I can't hit) might have been off and it's why I left a Davey Crockett scalp of turf over the ball. And then I'd go back to saying.... "At least they're fun to look at!"
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  • golfasaurusgolfasaurus Members Posts: 730
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  • Kingcat990Kingcat990 European Tailored Golf Socks Members Posts: 3,820 ✭✭
    I wanna hit them MB's really bad. The non rainbow bright ones
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  • Soloman1Soloman1 Members Posts: 2,457 ✭✭
    edited Jun 23, 2015 #8
    These are made in China, but using a Japanese word for the name. Strange.



    "Ittobori" ("Itobori" would be a mistake) means "one knife" and is used in the context of carving something. The characters stamped on the irons are Chinese characters and not Japanese kanji.



    Edited: here is an example of an ittobori carving:



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  • golfasaurusgolfasaurus Members Posts: 730
    You mean the rabbit is made in China?

    Just a note that these irons are made entirely in Japan
  • golfasaurusgolfasaurus Members Posts: 730
    And the definition of Kanji is Chinese characters
  • Soloman1Soloman1 Members Posts: 2,457 ✭✭
    Japanese characters are called "kanji" in Japanese. They are not called "kanji" in Chinese. They are also different. Japanese kanji was derived from Chinese characters, but they are no longer the same. These characters are Chinese, not Japanese "kanji." I can't read them and neither can any Japanese I asked.



    Absolutely, the clubs look like they could be made in Japan. Who makes them? A small shop, I presume. As I said, it's strange that these are using Chinese kanji with a misspelled"romaji" for "ittobori." That may just be a look they're going for - an old hanko look.



    It's easy to see how someone could be confused by this marketing idea.
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  • BigmeanBigmean Everything is Relative Members Posts: 4,940 ✭✭
    Ok, I would game the rainbow Brite irons, why not????





    So what are you looking at for a set of these novelties unshafted?
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  • BigmeanBigmean Everything is Relative Members Posts: 4,940 ✭✭
    edited Jun 23, 2015 #13




    Never mind, $2k AUD for 4-pw heads only in burning copper or rainbow brite finish....ouch
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  • YarraYarra Members Posts: 815 ✭✭
    Beautiful clubs. It is an art form. But I think for someone who truly understand club fitting or golf in general should know that a beautiful art does not necessarily means it is a good performing club to play with. Don't get me wrong, if I have some spare cash (boy, for that kinda price I think I gotta be filthy rich), I'd love to have one of these in my display cabinet. As an art form, something to admire, stare at and enjoy. Won't make it into my bag though, that's for sure.
  • cforseliuscforselius Members Posts: 362 ✭✭
    These things are crazy looking, I would shaft 1 up and just put it on the wall. I would never dare to play with one of those
  • freehbfreehb Members Posts: 839
    I would shaft those up and stick them in the ground repeatedly. The angles don't bother me at all, I think they would play just fine. Like the wedges a lot! Thanks for posting!
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  • No_Catchy_NicknameNo_Catchy_Nickname Kyushu,_JapanMembers Posts: 5,277 ✭✭
    Soloman1 wrote:


    Japanese characters are called "kanji" in Japanese. They are not called "kanji" in Chinese. They are also different. Japanese kanji was derived from Chinese characters, but they are no longer the same. These characters are Chinese, not Japanese "kanji." I can't read them and neither can any Japanese I asked.



    Absolutely, the clubs look like they could be made in Japan. Who makes them? A small shop, I presume. As I said, it's strange that these are using Chinese kanji with a misspelled"romaji" for "ittobori." That may just be a look they're going for - an old hanko look.



    It's easy to see how someone could be confused by this marketing idea.




    I was wondering what "Itobori" was supposed to mean.



    I'm pretty sure the old style characters are just supposed to look like a hanko, and I think it says Takagi Masayuki (going clockwise from top right, it's 高, 木 (I think), maybe 幸 and then 真. But what I found interesting was the logo near the sole on the back that looks like an "M" wrapped in a "G": MG? Hinting at Miura Giken?
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  • ne26ne26 Leaving footprints in the dew Members Posts: 780
    Hate to bump an old thread, but anymore info on these?



    Any buy some to see what they are like?
  • MikeRauschGolfMikeRauschGolf Master Clubfitter/Clubbuilder Members Posts: 104
    These are Kyoei heads with special grinds and finishes, really using the same molds as Vega. My thinking is those multiple angle grinds on the sole could make for some inconsistent turf interaction.
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  • golfasaurusgolfasaurus Members Posts: 730
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  • jtarblejtarble Members Posts: 191 ✭✭
    Bumping this old thread to see if anyone has actually played with them? Specifically the CB heads. They look absolutely amazing.
  • Baldy32Baldy32 PuttsAndPints.com Members Posts: 127
    My local club fitter is now offering Itobori. He is a golf digest top 100 fitter and says that these are some of the best looking clubs he has ever seen. Link to the pdf of the 2016-2017 line below. I might try to go and see if he has any demo clubs in stock that I could try just to see them in person and how they perform.



    http://hodsongolf.com/files/2016/09/2016-17-Itobori-Golf.pdf



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  • TMfan54TMfan54 NJMembers Posts: 2,248 ✭✭
    Some of the coolest looking clubs I've seen
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  • adizeroadizero Members Posts: 577
    I would love to give a copper seven iron a good spanking!
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  • glensmithisglensmithis GlenSmith Members Posts: 481
    I am loving the driver. Is anyone using it and what shaft are you using?
  • premazipppremazipp Members Posts: 407 ✭✭
    I hit the rainbow in a 56 degree wedge. To me, the grind is all about looks, no functional change. Wedge was a ball shredder. Literally pieces of ball cover stuck in the grooves. Finnish wore very quickly settling into a nice copper color.
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  • idriveidrive gone golfin Members Posts: 2,150 ✭✭
    It was pretty cool to see how they grind them. They tied them up to the back of the golf cart and dragged them down the cart path for

    18 holes.
  • asw7576asw7576 Members Posts: 1,089
    If I have this things ..... I will show off this things to my golf buddies.
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  • BigmeanBigmean Everything is Relative Members Posts: 4,940 ✭✭
    I think that as long as the overall bounce characteristics are there, the angles would be unnoticed in turf interaction. If they really are kyoei blanks (seams reasonable) then they should feel **** good, play like normal clubs and look bad a**. I would totally game a set.

    I think that as long as the overall bounce characteristics are there, the angles would be unnoticed in turf interaction. If they really are kyoei blanks (seams reasonable) then they should feel **** good, play like normal clubs and look bad a**. I would totally game a set.
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  • illmatik53illmatik53 Members Posts: 96
    Soloman1 wrote:


    Japanese characters are called "kanji" in Japanese. They are not called "kanji" in Chinese. They are also different. Japanese kanji was derived from Chinese characters, but they are no longer the same. These characters are Chinese, not Japanese "kanji." I can't read them and neither can any Japanese I asked.



    Absolutely, the clubs look like they could be made in Japan. Who makes them? A small shop, I presume. As I said, it's strange that these are using Chinese kanji with a misspelled"romaji" for "ittobori." That may just be a look they're going for - an old hanko look.



    It's easy to see how someone could be confused by this marketing idea.




    So, there are many evolutions of Kanji. Japanese people can read the Kanji, but it just has no meaning. It doesn't make sense in Japanese. But to be honest, there are Japanese Kanji that are still just like the original Chinese characters, so don't get that mistaken. Also in Japan it is common to misspell when translating to romaji, which coincidentally is "roomaji" not "romaji". My guess is not that it is a misspelling or a marketing thing, but more strategy to remove any mixup in searching for their product. I'm sure they know that their product looks like "ittobori" as is evident by the way the grind looks like it has been 'carved'. "ittobori" holds a long history and is part of Japanese history, one would likely not want to confuse customers when they are searching or looking for the product. The Kanji itself is actually a different story, so whoever romanized the translation of the word may have done it from the Chinese translation. In Japanese, there would be an evident small 'tsu' but when written out in Chinese characters, that isn't evident. Which would probably translate to itobori. There could be a myriad of reasons why it's written that way. Lots of things get lost in translation. For example, I can write my name in 5 Chinese characters as adapted from a Japanese person, but if anyone reads it, they won't know what it means. It doesn't mean they can't read it, just doesn't have a meaning. The style of the kanji/characters is also older style. In Chinese characters, there are also two 'sounds' for each character, which I believe are pinyin and on, but I could be wrong about that. Knowing when to use each is another story, lol. When I was living in Japan, if you saw two Kanji, it could be a combination of any four sounds, and to make things more difficult if it was a person's name, it could sound completely different... But they learn from a young age. The four characters could mean anything really...it could be the first four characters of the four people who started the company; it could be the first two characters of the two people who started the company. Who knows? Without asking them directly what the stamp means we're never going to know. Come to think of it, maybe I will shoot them an e-mail and just ask them what it means, that might be simpler. hahaha



    But in any case, you don't normally find these clubs in any major stores in Japan. You'll find them as "kojin keieiten" or plainly put "privately run shop". When I went looking for a putter, seven, it was actually out in Niigata. Too far to travel just to 'look' at a putter...I'd have to really be prepared to buy it. So I ended up going to Shinjuku to small shop and found myself a nice Epon i-33. Great putter, and game it all the time now. Scotty went in the backup bag. lol.



    These clubs are definitely Japanese made... there is no doubt about it.
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  • illmatik53illmatik53 Members Posts: 96
    Soloman1 wrote:


    Japanese characters are called "kanji" in Japanese. They are not called "kanji" in Chinese. They are also different. Japanese kanji was derived from Chinese characters, but they are no longer the same. These characters are Chinese, not Japanese "kanji." I can't read them and neither can any Japanese I asked.



    Absolutely, the clubs look like they could be made in Japan. Who makes them? A small shop, I presume. As I said, it's strange that these are using Chinese kanji with a misspelled"romaji" for "ittobori." That may just be a look they're going for - an old hanko look.



    It's easy to see how someone could be confused by this marketing idea.




    So I actually took a little time and figured out what those characters mean. Reading from right to left, top down, it's "Takai, Mayuki" and is the name of the person who made the clubs. It uses the kanji characters that would usually be used in hanko stamps as you mentioned. That's why the company is MT and why the stamp looks like a miura giken icon but actually has a small 'T' at the bottom right section, showing MT, Mayuki Takai. Also, the instagram page they opened is under that name as well.
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