Who has a better short game...PGA, LPGA or Champions

So does anyone have short game stats to see whos best..... PGA vs LPGA vs Champions

Figure it takes muscle out of the picture to see whos best.....Not sure what distance in would make it fair....40 yards in?

I assume putting would be included? This would rule out the Champions tour guys certainly. Watching some of the old boys putt is scary! They can still hit it as good as anyone, but the putting is the first thing to go for sure.

I assume putting would be included? This would rule out the Champions tour guys certainly. Watching some of the old boys putt is scary! They can still hit it as good as anyone, but the putting is the first thing to go for sure.

Ya definitely putting is included..... You'd think putting would be the last thing to go as putting is not damaging to practice and 40 years of experience could make you one hell of a line reader....

PGA, they are statistically better putters than the ladies.

Unfortunately the LPGA does not keep scrambling stats but they do keep sand save stats. The #5 lady in 2015 would have ranked #37 on the PGA Tour.

I assume putting would be included? This would rule out the Champions tour guys certainly. Watching some of the old boys putt is scary! They can still hit it as good as anyone, but the putting is the first thing to go for sure.

 

Ya definitely putting is included..... You'd think putting would be the last thing to go as putting is not damaging to practice and 40 years of experience could make you one hell of a line reader....

I really don't think so. If you watch guys like Vijay, Fred Couples, Ernie Els, they can still hit it good enough to play on the regular tour (obviously Ernie still does). But their putting is simply atrocious. The nerves go.

PGA Tour.

Not only do statistics show this, but the guys are doing it on far harder green/rough set-ups than the LPGA or Champion players do.

As far as the putting aspect goes, I think putting is such a streaky thing that it would be difficult to say.

I do think there was a stretch in Inbee's career when she was putting better that anyone on any tour. Putting like that just doesn't last.

PGA. It is strictly Darwinian.

Where are these thoughts coming from ??? Are we being punked.? Is Ashton around the corner?

I assume putting would be included? This would rule out the Champions tour guys certainly. Watching some of the old boys putt is scary! They can still hit it as good as anyone, but the putting is the first thing to go for sure.

 

Ya definitely putting is included..... You'd think putting would be the last thing to go as putting is not damaging to practice and 40 years of experience could make you one hell of a line reader....

Vision goes away with age. Also it's very inaccurate to read greens with your eyes. But the reason most of their putting woes become later in age, is they cannot focus on the ball during the stroke, to make center contact and get the ball rolling on their intended line. Watching the golf ball is not important in any aspect of the game besides putting

I assume putting would be included? This would rule out the Champions tour guys certainly. Watching some of the old boys putt is scary! They can still hit it as good as anyone, but the putting is the first thing to go for sure.

 

Ya definitely putting is included..... You'd think putting would be the last thing to go as putting is not damaging to practice and 40 years of experience could make you one hell of a line reader....

 

Vision goes away with age. Also it's very inaccurate to read greens with your eyes. But the reason most of their putting woes become later in age, is they cannot focus on the ball during the stroke, to make center contact and get the ball rolling on their intended line. Watching the golf ball is not important in any aspect of the game besides putting

I assume putting would be included? This would rule out the Champions tour guys certainly. Watching some of the old boys putt is scary! They can still hit it as good as anyone, but the putting is the first thing to go for sure.

 

Ya definitely putting is included..... You'd think putting would be the last thing to go as putting is not damaging to practice and 40 years of experience could make you one hell of a line reader....

 

Vision goes away with age. Also it's very inaccurate to read greens with your eyes. But the reason most of their putting woes become later in age, is they cannot focus on the ball during the stroke, to make center contact and get the ball rolling on their intended line. Watching the golf ball is not important in any aspect of the game besides putting

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I knew right when I said this someone would chime up on Spieth inside 5 feet method. I actually use this method and recommend it due the fact, it very easy to hit the center of the face when making such a slow, small stroke.

Putting ( and I assumed short game in general) would be the ultimate Man vs Woman test to see if women can beat the men because there are no other sports where men and women can compete completely on a fair level....or none that I can think of...

PGA Tour by a hundred miles, physical strength is being underrated in this thread, with the ability to create speed/spin, stability through rough, and so on

The guys are better, since there's so many good ball strikers in the world, men need a good short game to make it to the highest level. For women, you can survive just being a great ball striker since that competition isn't as much

So does anyone have short game stats to see whos best..... PGA vs LPGA vs Champions

 

Figure it takes muscle out of the picture to see whos best.....Not sure what distance in would make it fair....40 yards in?

PGA by a wide margin. The short game does not take muscle out of the picture.

PGA Tour by a hundred miles, physical strength is being underrated in this thread, with the ability to create speed/spin, stability through rough, and so on

You are absolutely correct. Strength is very important for a good short game. The women never hit shots the men hit.

I assume putting would be included? This would rule out the Champions tour guys certainly. Watching some of the old boys putt is scary! They can still hit it as good as anyone, but the putting is the first thing to go for sure.

 

Ya definitely putting is included..... You'd think putting would be the last thing to go as putting is not damaging to practice and 40 years of experience could make you one hell of a line reader....

I really don't think so. If you watch guys like Vijay, Fred Couples, Ernie Els, they can still hit it good enough to play on the regular tour (obviously Ernie still does). But their putting is simply atrocious. The nerves go.

I don't think I agree. Els is #203 in GIR and #160 in total driving. He's #194 in ball striking. He's #104 in strokes gained putting. So putting is not his problem.

It's the PGA Tour.

I remember an interview during the Wendy's Three Tour Challenge a few years ago and the LPGA players were going on and on about all the "shortgame" shots and tips they'd learned playing with the men. It really surprised me because I'd of bet the women would have been better.

PGA, they are statistically better putters than the ladies.

 

Unfortunately the LPGA does not keep scrambling stats but they do keep sand save stats. The #5 lady in 2015 would have ranked #37 on the PGA Tour.

Putting ( and I assumed short game in general) would be the ultimate Man vs Woman test to see if women can beat the men because there are no other sports where men and women can compete completely on a fair level....or none that I can think of...

Billiards/Pool.

But the men are better there as well.

Putting ( and I assumed short game in general) would be the ultimate Man vs Woman test to see if women can beat the men because there are no other sports where men and women can compete completely on a fair level....or none that I can think of...

 

Billiards/Pool.

 

But the men are better there as well.

There's a book that's probably 7-8 years old now called "Andy Roddick beat me with a frying pan" about sports debates, exactly like this one.

Topically, one of the chapters was on Men vs Women in supposed "non-strength" sports. And in it one of the author's interviews was with if i recall the top women's pool player in the world, and she admitted that she had nothing on any of the top men. Another sport brought up was darts, where a top men's player will beat a top woman

In strength sports, the common consensus seemed to be that top women's athletes generally are on par with the top 15-16 year old boys. The women's famous US soccer team (the Mia Hamm one) used to scrimmage against the 15-16yr old male US team. Track and field times comparing this age groups are also similar

PGA Tour...........Not Even Close.

PGA Tour by a hundred miles, physical strength is being underrated in this thread, with the ability to create speed/spin, stability through rough, and so on

If this is true then just putting

The guys are better, since there's so many good ball strikers in the world, men need a good short game to make it to the highest level. For women, you can survive just being a great ball striker since that competition isn't as much

Ya that's a good point....

What is with all these threads lately? The men are literally better at every single thing in golf. Not in just golf either, but pretty much every other sport I can think of on the planet. There is just no replacement for testosterone. It isn't some women hating thing I got going on here.

There is just no replacement for testosterone.

There's a book that's probably 7-8 years old now called "Andy Roddick beat me with a frying pan" about sports debates, exactly like this one.

 

Topically, one of the chapters was on Men vs Women in supposed "non-strength" sports. And in it one of the author's interviews was with if i recall the top women's pool player in the world, and she admitted that she had nothing on any of the top men. Another sport brought up was darts, where a top men's player will beat a top woman

 

In strength sports, the common consensus seemed to be that top women's athletes generally are on par with the top 15-16 year old boys. The women's famous US soccer team (the Mia Hamm one) used to scrimmage against the 15-16yr old male US team. Track and field times comparing this age groups are also similar

That's interesting. Any ideas on what it is for the non-physical sports? I read a study comparing eyesight of men and women and though woman appeared to perceive more shades of colour, men won on tracking fast moving objects, discerning details from a distance, and absolute chromatic sensitivity. The key factor being that testosterone gives men 25% more neurons area of the brain controlling these abilities when born - quite significant. And hand-eye coordination is usually important for physical activities.

The best players in the world are the best in the world in EVERY phase of the game.

Putting ( and I assumed short game in general) would be the ultimate Man vs Woman test to see if women can beat the men because there are no other sports where men and women can compete completely on a fair level....or none that I can think of...

 

Billiards/Pool.

 

But the men are better there as well.

 

There's a book that's probably 7-8 years old now called "Andy Roddick beat me with a frying pan" about sports debates, exactly like this one.

 

Topically, one of the chapters was on Men vs Women in supposed "non-strength" sports. And in it one of the author's interviews was with if i recall the top women's pool player in the world, and she admitted that she had nothing on any of the top men. Another sport brought up was darts, where a top men's player will beat a top woman

 

In strength sports, the common consensus seemed to be that top women's athletes generally are on par with the top 15-16 year old boys. The women's famous US soccer team (the Mia Hamm one) used to scrimmage against the 15-16yr old male US team. Track and field times comparing this age groups are also similar

The Indian boys U-14 team (Or maybe it was U-13, can't remember), beat the US Women's first team a few years ago. The US Women are #1 ranked, and India is absolutely terrible in world football. Not to mention Indians in general are skinnier and less athletic than many other.

Also if I remember correctly, the match wasn't even close

A top 15-16 year old team would absolutely demolish the US Women's first team

Men are better in gymnastics too