Ball Test - Golf magazine

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  • BrockBrock Members Posts: 209
    it is more useful as a good side by side comparison given all other parameters being equal...I think they did a fine job for a first go around and cant wait for next years.
  • Veritas Veritas Members Posts: 629
    ck7000 wrote on Jan 15 2008, 02:06 PM:
    Anyone know what driver was used in the Golf Magazine test?



    This will affect spin rates and distance. Maybe the poster who knows the Golf Magazine editor can confirm the driver brand. I cannot confirm, but I heard it was a 10.5 degree Taylor Made Superquad.



    Anyone agree that we should not assume the Taylor Made balls will give everyone with a 90 MPH driver swing speed the best distance? Wouldn't the brand of driver have an impact?




    Yeah I think for sure you could get different results based on your driver and exact swing characteristics. However, I think it is a good starting point and gives you the general ball parks the balls are going to fall in.
  • ApexGrindApexGrind Members Posts: 365
    ck7000 wrote on Jan 15 2008, 11:06 AM:
    Anyone agree that we should not assume the Taylor Made balls will give everyone with a 90 MPH driver swing speed the best distance? Wouldn't the brand of driver have an impact?




    No. It's *relative*. Sure you might just find some inversion at the extremes but it should stay the same. If your swing or driver imparts more (or less) spin or distance to one ball then, in all probability, it will impart more (or less) spin or distance to the other balls.
  • ck7000ck7000 Members Posts: 79 ✭✭✭
    ApexGrind wrote on Jan 15 2008, 10:10 PM:
    ck7000 wrote on Jan 15 2008, 11:06 AM:
    Anyone agree that we should not assume the Taylor Made balls will give everyone with a 90 MPH driver swing speed the best distance? Wouldn't the brand of driver have an impact?




    No. It's *relative*. Sure you might just find some inversion at the extremes but it should stay the same. If your swing or driver imparts more (or less) spin or distance to one ball then, in all probability, it will impart more (or less) spin or distance to the other balls.






    Thanks...I see what you are saying...It would still be nice to see how the balls react to different drivers though...i.e. Do Callaway balls perform better with a Callaway driver? Titleist with Titleist? etc. etc.



    Still haven't gotten an answer to this: Anyone know what type of driver was used in this test?



    Thanks.
  • jswjrjswjr Members Posts: 315 ✭✭✭✭
    edited Jan 16, 2008 #126
    For those of you that do not have the actual magazine in hand,the ball test is now on the www.golf.com website.



    Most of your questions can be answered by viewing that site.



    BTW, I was suprised the NXT-Tour was shown to be pretty good all around ball.I tried the E5+ before the test and I really like the e5+ but I played a round with the the NXT-Tour a few days ago and like it also.



    I think one of these two balls is going to be my ball to "hopefully" stick with for this year.



    I've tried a lot of different balls the past few months and I think it has hurt my game so I'm going to find something and stick with it.
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  • ck7000ck7000 Members Posts: 79 ✭✭✭
    jswjr wrote on Jan 16 2008, 09:55 AM:
    For those of you that do not have the actual magazine in hand,the ball test is now on the www.golf.com website.



    Most of your questions can be answered by viewing that site.




    Thanks! No surprise that the Taylor Made balls were the longest in the driver test...driver was indeed a 10.5 degreee TM Superquad.



    Still, an overall great analysis and starting point for ball selection. I look forward to doing my own test!
  • ApexGrindApexGrind Members Posts: 365
    edited Jan 16, 2008 #128
    ck7000 wrote on Jan 16 2008, 06:14 AM:
    jswjr wrote on Jan 16 2008, 09:55 AM:
    For those of you that do not have the actual magazine in hand,the ball test is now on the www.golf.com website.



    Most of your questions can be answered by viewing that site.




    Thanks! No surprise that the Taylor Made balls were the longest in the driver test...driver was indeed a 10.5 degreee TM Superquad.



    Still, an overall great analysis and starting point for ball selection. I look forward to doing my own test!




    Doh... I'm not being argumentative, really. I understand what you're thinking and I don't have the physics background to intelligently argue the point. (did you read the analysis that guy did on the discussion about whether the ball has a significant effect on producing a divot? that was a great thread!). It is a valid question but I doubt that drivers differ that much to make a difference. They all have (relatively) similar characteristics with respect to face hardness, trampoline effect, bulge, grooves, etc. I just don't think you could get a significant difference by designing a ball for a particular driver. On the other hand I do believe that swing speed, which would effect the compression of the ball, might have a significant effect. For example the more you compress a ball with a very thin/soft outer cover the less a factor that cover becomes.
  • TUJJTUJJ Members Posts: 12
    jswjr wrote on Jan 16 2008, 03:55 PM:
    For those of you that do not have the actual magazine in hand,the ball test is now on the www.golf.com website.



    Most of your questions can be answered by viewing that site.



    BTW, I was suprised the NXT-Tour was shown to be pretty good all around ball.I tried the E5+ before the test and I really like the e5+ but I played a round with the the NXT-Tour a few days ago and like it also.



    I think one of these two balls is going to be my ball to "hopefully" stick with for this year.



    I've tried a lot of different balls the past few months and I think it has hurt my game so I'm going to find something and stick with it.




    Can somebody post spinrates for these balls:



    Srixon Trispeed, Bridgestone e5+ and e6+, TaylorMade Burner TP and HX Hot Bite



    Thanks in advance



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  • TheHomezTheHomez Members Posts: 491
    TUJJ wrote on Jan 16 2008, 03:32 PM:
    Can somebody post spinrates for these balls:



    Srixon Trispeed, Bridgestone e5+ and e6+, TaylorMade Burner TP and HX Hot Bite



    Thanks in advance



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    As jswjr stated they are online now. Here is the link: http://www.golf.com/golf/special/0,30294,1703179,00.html
  • TUJJTUJJ Members Posts: 12
    There is now spinrate statistics or am I blind?
  • TheHomezTheHomez Members Posts: 491
    TheHomez wrote on Jan 16 2008, 05:58 PM:
    TUJJ wrote on Jan 16 2008, 03:32 PM:
    Can somebody post spinrates for these balls:



    Srixon Trispeed, Bridgestone e5+ and e6+, TaylorMade Burner TP and HX Hot Bite



    Thanks in advance



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    As jswjr stated they are online now. Here is the link: http://www.golf.com/golf/special/0,30294,1703179,00.html





    TUJJ wrote on Jan 16 2008, 06:03 PM:
    There is now spinrate statistics or am I blind?




    Sorry just realized that the full article is not on the website. Kind of lame as it seems to be one large Titleist add on the site.
  • TUJJTUJJ Members Posts: 12
    TUJJ wrote on Jan 16 2008, 10:32 PM:
    jswjr wrote on Jan 16 2008, 03:55 PM:
    For those of you that do not have the actual magazine in hand,the ball test is now on the www.golf.com website.



    Most of your questions can be answered by viewing that site.



    BTW, I was suprised the NXT-Tour was shown to be pretty good all around ball.I tried the E5+ before the test and I really like the e5+ but I played a round with the the NXT-Tour a few days ago and like it also.



    I think one of these two balls is going to be my ball to "hopefully" stick with for this year.



    I've tried a lot of different balls the past few months and I think it has hurt my game so I'm going to find something and stick with it.




    Can somebody post spinrates for these balls:



    Srixon Trispeed, Bridgestone e5+ and e6+, TaylorMade Burner TP and HX Hot Bite



    Thanks in advance



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    So, back to original question



    Can somebody post spinrates for these balls:



    Srixon Trispeed, Bridgestone e5+ and e6+, TaylorMade Burner TP and HX Hot Bite



    Thanks in advance



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  • TUJJTUJJ Members Posts: 12
  • Veritas Veritas Members Posts: 629
    edited Jan 17, 2008 #135
    sand wedge 76 mph swing speed

    ________________________spin_

    Trispeed________________7,814

    e5+___________________12,140

    e6+___________________7,651

    Taylormade TP burner____10,894

    HX hot bite______________11,331
  • withdrewwithdrew Unregistered Posts: 2,107
    TUJJ wrote on Jan 17 2008, 02:13 AM:
    TUJJ wrote on Jan 16 2008, 10:32 PM:
    jswjr wrote on Jan 16 2008, 03:55 PM:
    For those of you that do not have the actual magazine in hand,the ball test is now on the www.golf.com website.



    Most of your questions can be answered by viewing that site.



    BTW, I was suprised the NXT-Tour was shown to be pretty good all around ball.I tried the E5+ before the test and I really like the e5+ but I played a round with the the NXT-Tour a few days ago and like it also.



    I think one of these two balls is going to be my ball to "hopefully" stick with for this year.



    I've tried a lot of different balls the past few months and I think it has hurt my game so I'm going to find something and stick with it.




    Can somebody post spinrates for these balls:



    Srixon Trispeed, Bridgestone e5+ and e6+, TaylorMade Burner TP and HX Hot Bite



    Thanks in advance



    image/clapping.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':clapping:' />




    So, back to original question



    Can somebody post spinrates for these balls:



    Srixon Trispeed, Bridgestone e5+ and e6+, TaylorMade Burner TP and HX Hot Bite



    Thanks in advance



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    Srixon Trispeed: 7,814 rpm

    Bridgestone e5: 12,140 rpm

    Bridgestone e6: 7,651 rpm

    TM Burner TP: 10,894 rpm

    Cally HX Hot Bite: 11,331 rpm
  • TUJJTUJJ Members Posts: 12
    Thanks guys, you rock image/good.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':clapping:' />
  • HappyfeetHappyfeet Members Posts: 11
    TUJJ,



    To go along with the previous info I'll quote from the magazine:



    "Golf Labs preset it's robot to swing a sand wedge at 76 mph swing speed, 80 mph ball speed, 38.5 degree launch angle and 10,500 rpm.



    Results are based on these setup conditions and can differ with other setups.



    The highest (or lowest) spin ball isn't automatically the best one for you, you still need to try the ball to see how it reacts. Your swing's angle of attack may cause the ball to behave differently than another swing would."





    I think they did a great job on the test to give us a starting point. Will be picking up some e5+'s and TM Burner TP's myself.
  • TUJJTUJJ Members Posts: 12
    edited Jan 17, 2008 #139
    Yes, thanks fot that info also



    E5+ was a positive suprise

    Definetely to try TM Burner and also Srixon´s Trispeed.
  • The Boom BappThe Boom Bapp Quick Tips are like Poisenous darts! Members Posts: 1,392
    edited Jan 17, 2008 #140
    Mward2002 wrote on Jan 11 2008, 04:55 PM:
    Yeah, but at $19.95 for a one time shot? I boo that, HEAVILY.






    Please tell me you are not going to fret over $20 dollars? If so, than you absolutly started the WRONG hobby because the days you do play golf your expendature is much more than that after you have paid for a new glove, green fees, tees, balls, food, drink, or gas to get to the course.



    It is a small price to pay to fit yourself with the proper ball to improve, you may have already spent 5 x's that expirimenting over and over again! I will not assume but I know you can afford a 1 time fee of $20 bones for a ball fitting. It may benefit you and it may not but at least you gave it a shot.





    And yes I agree, I wish I could have come up with the idea to market an accurate ball fitting system first!



    (I will apologize before hand if this reply appears as argumentative, it certainly was not meant to be taken in that manner- Thanks - The Boom Bapp)
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  • TheHomezTheHomez Members Posts: 491
    Brock wrote on Jan 15 2008, 03:11 PM:
    it is more useful as a good side by side comparison given all other parameters being equal...I think they did a fine job for a first go around and cant wait for next years.




    Brock, I noticed your a big fan of the Ignite ball, as am I. Its my go to ball for now. But after looking at these numbers it seems like the Ignite is out performed by the e5+ and AD333. Whats your thought on that? Both of those balls are longer, lower spin off the driver, and higher spin off the irons. Just wondering what your plans were after seeing this test? Did you use golfballselector.com to come up with the Ignites?



    I personally found that the Ignite spun much more for me than the AD333 and the Ignite has much more feel off the irons than the AD333... Obviously my swing is way different than the robots, but still, after seeing these numbers i'm starting to second guess me findings... image/fool.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':clapping:' />
  • HappyfeetHappyfeet Members Posts: 11
    edited Jan 17, 2008 #142
    As the magazine states, you have to try a ball for yourself as your swing and angle of attack to the ball changes the out come. The Ignite worked very well for me this past season in the summer. It will be in the bag again. The AD333 was a great ball for me in the fall with the cooler weather. Stuck on the green just fine. Better results than the test might indicate for these balls because I don't have a perfect swing like the iron byron. Nothing here is written in stone. Play what works for your swing. If the Ignite works, play it. Many people like it alot.

    I already know, so this gives some more options I will want to try with an open mind. Good luck and have fun.
  • stevestrikestevestrike Members Posts: 1,956 ✭✭
    I broke down and finally bought a box of NXT Tours after reading this article. I'm looking forward to this weekend!
  • teakteak Members Posts: 214
    withdrew wrote on Jan 17 2008, 07:13 PM:
    Srixon Trispeed: 7,814 rpm

    Bridgestone e5: 12,140 rpm

    Bridgestone e6: 7,651 rpm

    TM Burner TP: 10,894 rpm

    Cally HX Hot Bite: 11,331 rpm


    Oh dear, doesn't look good for Today's Golfer's numbers then. They had the Burner TP and Trispeed with the most wedge spin and the HX Hot Bite not even close. Of course they never had the e5/e6 in the test, since Bridgestone don't bother to market them in the UK.
  • broochybroochy Members Posts: 113
    Can anyone here who has played both compare the iron spin on the e5 and the e5+? The numbers for the e5+ seem promising, I just found the e5 really couldn't stick greens very well. Worse than trispeeds or even AD333.
  • TUJJTUJJ Members Posts: 12
    teak wrote on Jan 18 2008, 01:57 PM:
    withdrew wrote on Jan 17 2008, 07:13 PM:
    Srixon Trispeed: 7,814 rpm

    Bridgestone e5: 12,140 rpm

    Bridgestone e6: 7,651 rpm

    TM Burner TP: 10,894 rpm

    Cally HX Hot Bite: 11,331 rpm


    Oh dear, doesn't look good for Today's Golfer's numbers then. They had the Burner TP and Trispeed with the most wedge spin and the HX Hot Bite not even close. Of course they never had the e5/e6 in the test, since Bridgestone don't bother to market them in the UK.




    Somehow BurnerTP and Trispeed results are still OK but Hx Hot bite spin results are confusing...
  • Mward2002Mward2002 Members Posts: 1,080
    It's not the 20 dollars that I'm grumbling about. In this game, 20 dollars gets you a glove, or a box of noodles or Top Flite's. My gripe was that it's a one time thing. If I start getting better or stronger, and my distances get longer.. I have to spend another 20 dollars to see what I need now. At least with a glove, I can use that thing until it's filled with holes.





    Now if it was a 20 dollar subscription for a year? I'd be all over it in a heartbeat.





    Btw, no hard feelings even if it was argumentative. It's an internet message board. Thin skinned people need not apply!
  • msguillorymsguillory Members Posts: 32
    danimal wrote on Jan 6 2008, 12:28 PM:
    Oh by the way the Target's here in Portland OR have TP Black and Red on sale for $20.98 dozen - great price. image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':clapping:' />




    My local Target in Houston had the TP Black and Red for $15. I bought 4 dozen. Never played them before but owrth trying for the price.
  • WafflerWaffler Members Posts: 88
    darn shame the Black Max is no longer on the market. Ball was a perfect blend of the v1 and v1x. Low spin off the driver, high spin around the greens. Very durable as well.
  • gumpygumpy Members Posts: 170
    Hi Everyone,



    I'm in Australia and for the life of me I can't seem to get a copy of this magazine.



    Could someone pls post the ss 105 distance data for the e5+, NXT tour, gamer, tp burner and callaway hot bite.



    If someone would like to sell me their old copy via ebay? That would be awesome as well.



    thanks in advance
  • HappyfeetHappyfeet Members Posts: 11
    Grumpy,



    Sorry to say, they only tested six of the big name premiums at 105 and with driver only.

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