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SkyCaddie SG2.5

I just don't get it
Brand new from Sky Golf...



Introducing the SkyCaddie SG2.5, the latest improvement to the amazingly popular SkyCaddie SG2.



The SkyCaddie 2.5 offers several different target view screens allowing you to customize the target information that best fits your style of play: standard, graphical, expanded and big number view.



Patented IntelliGreen Technology displays an outline of the green and distances to the front, back and any point on the green calculated from your line to the green.







I just don't get it. Why introduce a version of a previous model that is so similar to the SG4? I just don't get their marketing/product strategy. Can someone enlighten me? image/WTF.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />
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  • WookieedogWookieedog Members Posts: 952
    it is the starter model for the lowest skygolf price.



    differences between the 2.5 and the 4: (4 is given first, 2.5 is second)





    price: $349 vs. $249



    Display Graphic LCD Screen vs. Graphic LCD Screen



    Battery Type Rechargeable Lithium-Ion vs Rechargeable Lithium-Ion



    Weight 5.4 Oz vs 3.8 Oz



    Additional Features Patented IntelliGreen Technology • Mapping Module vs. Patented IntelliGreen Technology



    Included Accessories AC Charger • SkyCaddie Desktop • USB Drivers CD USB PC Cable vs Wall Charger • USB Cable
  • Grant076Grant076 Jr. Boomers, Lefty Boomers Posts: 642
    I believe the 2.5 is compatable with Mac and all the other models aren't.
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  • rb828rb828 Bay AreaMembers Posts: 32 ✭✭
    I think all models are now mac compatible....Read it on 4GEA site and I recently loaded the software onto my imac and it works great....
  • Titleist87Titleist87 Advanced Members Posts: 2,868
    The 2.5 is not even up on their website yet.
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  • Q-BallQ-Ball Advanced Members Posts: 283
    Big_Guy_Who_Golfs wrote on Jan 8 2008, 12:14 PM:
    Brand new from Sky Golf...



    Introducing the SkyCaddie SG2.5, the latest improvement to the amazingly popular SkyCaddie SG2.



    The SkyCaddie 2.5 offers several different target view screens allowing you to customize the target information that best fits your style of play: standard, graphical, expanded and big number view.



    Patented IntelliGreen Technology displays an outline of the green and distances to the front, back and any point on the green calculated from your line to the green.







    I just don't get it. Why introduce a version of a previous model that is so similar to the SG4? I just don't get their marketing/product strategy. Can someone enlighten me? image/WTF.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />






    Though there are those with decent ones, the SG4 is the biggest Piece of Caca they made. They made a special cable which you really need 2 of to use in your car (I am not climbing behind my computer when I want to travel), which means 2 charging cables, etc.



    The SG4 has an internal antenna, which didnt work as well as they advertised. Notice both the SG5 and SG2.5 went back to external antennas.



    The extra memory slot, which an SkyCaddy salesman said was there to let you put 25 courses on it, never got utilized.



    Mine went back 3 times before they got it "acceptable". It NEVER was as accurate as my SG2.



    The thing that pisses me off is I was this close to getting a 5, and now they have the 2.5. Thats $200, or my new 3 wood. I guess it isnt a bad thing but it took me forever to decide to get the SG5 and can the SG4 and get out from under it.



    The new SG5 and SG2.5 have external antennas, USB connections, long battery life, and of course different holders so you have to buy all that **** again.



    I love the product, I just WISH I had stuck with my original SG2.



    Okay, I'm better now image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':cheesy:' />
  • stevestrikestevestrike Advanced Members Posts: 1,956
    So has anyone tried one yet? I've got one sitting here, and it's raining so I can't take it out on the course.



    I'm disturbed by the fact that I cannot get a satellite signal in my house. I get them just fine on the iGolf Neo, ShureShot, & GolfGuru. Is the satellite reception that bad on the SkyCaddie's?



    The menus and navigation are much more polished than the other products. The backlit screen is beautiful and clear. Even without the manual, navigating around the unit is straightforward.



    Everything about this unit seems solid, except for the satellite reception quality.
  • Solutions EtceteraSolutions Etcetera Advanced Members Posts: 2,556
    I am guessing that all but the 2.5 and 5 are going to be going away soon. Is there really ANY point in having a line a 4 units that all pretty much do the same thing.



    Another new offering from Skygolf with no new capabilities, but instead some lame mode to change the way it displays the same old info. Chock another one up for the R&D department.
  • alcazarkalcazark Advanced Members Posts: 116
    Got the SG2.5 and love it... Very easy to use and screen is clear...I'm in the Los Angeles area and the satellite signal is fine....
  • Titleist87Titleist87 Advanced Members Posts: 2,868
    Picked one up yesterday. Have not registered yet - hey, it's 6* out right now.
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  • Solutions EtceteraSolutions Etcetera Advanced Members Posts: 2,556
    Interesting to note this model is already in stores yet there is no mention of it on the skygolf web site. Wonder why?
  • stevestrikestevestrike Advanced Members Posts: 1,956
    They are probably updating their whole website. That can take awhile, depending on what they are trying to do (esp. if they are discontinuing another product and don't want to announce it just yet)



    I took my SG2.5 outside last night and was able to grab onto 9-10 satellites, so I feel better about that. I'll chalk it up to cloudy, overcast skys, but it should be noted that the Neo and the GolfGuru had no trouble getting signal in the same enviornment.



    What I'm not fine with is the subscription fee. It's basically $30 a year forever. And ever. For nothing new. They aren't adding more golf courses where I live, so I can't just download the ones I need. Instead, I pay for them over and over and over again. I still may end up keeping it, I just haven't gotten used to the idea just yet.



    I think with the Neo, the Sonnocaddie, and other products, you can keep the courses you use, and don't have to pay forever.
  • pwrfadepwrfade Advanced Members Posts: 1,105
    stevestrike wrote on Jan 17 2008, 07:54 PM:
    They are probably updating their whole website. That can take awhile, depending on what they are trying to do (esp. if they are discontinuing another product and don't want to announce it just yet)



    I took my SG2.5 outside last night and was able to grab onto 9-10 satellites, so I feel better about that. I'll chalk it up to cloudy, overcast skys, but it should be noted that the Neo and the GolfGuru had no trouble getting signal in the same enviornment.



    What I'm not fine with is the subscription fee. It's basically $30 a year forever. And ever. For nothing new. They aren't adding more golf courses where I live, so I can't just download the ones I need. Instead, I pay for them over and over and over again. I still may end up keeping it, I just haven't gotten used to the idea just yet.



    I think with the Neo, the Sonnocaddie, and other products, you can keep the courses you use, and don't have to pay forever.






    So if you have a Skycaddie - and you pay for a year subscription and load up your 10 courses of whatever it is and then at the end of the year you decide that you dont need more courses on it and really just need the 10 you downloaded in that year of paid subscription - you have to keep paying your annual to keep those 10 on your skycaddie? - do they have some way to reach out over the airways and take them back or disable your unit? Am I reading this right?



    I would think as long as you have the 10 you want then they are there forever if you let your subscription drop - since the interface to get them the first time is you PC - if you dont connect again to the Skycaddie Desktop I would think those original 10 would be there for good - while not great - if this is the case at least if you have a limited play circuit - then you are paying $3 a course.



    Of course I could have this ALL wrong and would like to know if I do.
  • stevestrikestevestrike Advanced Members Posts: 1,956
    edited January 2008
    pwrfade wrote on Jan 17 2008, 09:07 PM:
    So if you have a Skycaddie - and you pay for a year subscription and load up your 10 courses of whatever it is and then at the end of the year you decide that you dont need more courses on it and really just need the 10 you downloaded in that year of paid subscription - you have to keep paying your annual to keep those 10 on your skycaddie? - do they have some way to reach out over the airways and take them back or disable your unit? Am I reading this right?


    No, I'm sorry I was not clear. Yes, you can keep the 10 you have in the unit, and they should continue to work even after your subscription is up.



    Unfortunately, I play around 20 courses regularly.
  • BrendanHBrendanH Advanced Members Posts: 146 ✭✭
    To those who already have the 2.5 - can you tell me if the graphical interface is the same as the SG2 or does it more closely resemble the SG3/4 ?



    BTW - I could be wrong but I seem to remember that when my subscription ran out on my SG2 the unit stopped working for the downloaded courses. It may be date-based within the device itself ? I believe they pull the date/time from the GPS sats so that would be doable .....
  • msguillorymsguillory Members Posts: 32
    I would like clarification from SG2.5 owners, it appears that when you choose to map a course that you can only map Front/Center/Back of the green but not any targets. Is this true? If so then that would be no consideration from me. If this had the user mapping of targets (hopefully at least 6 or more) and editing of downloaded courses then it looks like a great product.
  • stevestrikestevestrike Advanced Members Posts: 1,956
    BrendanH wrote on Jan 18 2008, 04:10 PM:
    BTW - I could be wrong but I seem to remember that when my subscription ran out on my SG2 the unit stopped working for the downloaded courses. It may be date-based within the device itself ? I believe they pull the date/time from the GPS sats so that would be doable .....


    Very possible. If you buy a SkyCaddie, you are committing to paying for service for as long as you use the unit in my opinion. It just is what it is, and it won't change until a real competitor comes out and knocks them off being the #1 GPS unit. I hope that day comes soon!


    I would like clarification from SG2.5 owners, it appears that when you choose to map a course that you can only map Front/Center/Back of the green but not any targets. Is this true?
    You are correct. They don't want the unit to be useful without the subscription cost. As far as I can tell, there is no way to add a custom point even to a map you download. So you use what they give you, or you only get F/B/C.
  • msguillorymsguillory Members Posts: 32
    Steve, the problem I have with them not allowing user mapped targets is that I am sure along with myself other users have targets they would want mapped that are not included by the professional mapping. If they had this feature with the SG2.5 I think it could be at the top of my list. It appears that they just didn't include that with this product, and it you want it you have to pay another $100 for one of there other versions.



    Something else that would be so usefull would be the ability for these devices to capture information about the club played and distance. Store CourseID, Hole, Clud, Distance for shots you choose to record. Then have the ability to uplaod that to a program that inserts this information to a database so that you can review it later, create reports, ect... Doesn't seem like a lot of information to record from a memory standpoint. I would love to develop something for this. I think that the SureShot does this to some extent but I don't know what. At least with a database of information you could see how you hit your clubs on different courses (possibly altitude changes that effect distance), or overall, with a graph of all shots hit with each club. Might be a good tool to help people recognize where they need to improve.



    Anyway, I really like the SG2.5, but that user mapping is a requirement for me if I am buying something like this.
  • stevestrikestevestrike Advanced Members Posts: 1,956
    edited January 2008
    msguillory wrote on Jan 18 2008, 05:05 PM:
    Steve, the problem I have with them not allowing user mapped targets is that I am sure along with myself other users have targets they would want mapped that are not included by the professional mapping. If they had this feature with the SG2.5 I think it could be at the top of my list. It appears that they just didn't include that with this product, and it you want it you have to pay another $100 for one of there other versions.


    This may be true. SG wants to charge you for everything, and I don't see why the 2.5 would be any different, but I don't see that the SG5 can map custom points either. However, the four-star courses have a ton of points mapped, and I can see easily being able to use these points without ever needing to add my own. It looks like SG was very thorough in the mapping process.


    Something else that would be so usefull would be the ability for these devices to capture information about the club played and distance. Store CourseID, Hole, Clud, Distance for shots you choose to record. Then have the ability to uplaod that to a program that inserts this information to a database so that you can review it later, create reports, ect...
    True, but you'll want a different product for that. Like you mentioned, the SureShot product does this--scores, clubs, stats, etc... It's a pretty nice unit, and I've used one extensively.
  • stevestrikestevestrike Advanced Members Posts: 1,956
    Very interesting thing I just found out today. I went to download the software from their website. Even though the SG2.5 is not listed, if you go to download and choose "my device is not listed here" you get the SG2.5 software! Why not just put "SG2.5"?



    https://www.skygolfgps.com/SG_softwareInstall.aspx



    So they have it up, but they don't want to publicize it. Sneaky ****.
  • maskedmanmaskedman Advanced Members Posts: 577 ✭✭
    OK, so is it fair to say the difference between the SG2.5 and the SG5 is the color screen?
  • stevestrikestevestrike Advanced Members Posts: 1,956
    I read through the manual for the SG5, and it my conclusion that they are the same product with different screens. I'm playing my first round with the SG2.5 today, so we'll see how it goes.
  • msguillorymsguillory Members Posts: 32
    Hmmm, so the color screen would then be a $170 option, don't need that.



    Well, I personally would like the ability to add user mapped targets, but I understand that the SkyCaddie does have a lot of 4-star mapped courses with multiple targets on those that are all professionally mapped. What I would like to see from their website is the data points mapped on each course. Currently you need to own the device and have a membership in order to download, and of course you can only see those mapped points on the device. For me at least if they displayed on their website the data points mapped as it would appear on the SkyCaddie that would be a big plus for them to sell the unit. Then people would be able to see the depth of what they are getting. If they have everything that you need already mapped then that SG2.5 unit would be very attractive to me. Without being able to see what you get is still detracting me from spending a few hundred bucks plus membership to find out it the courses have enough points mapped.



    I think I will send them an email and ask about that, but based on shat I have hear about their customer service chances are that I won't get a response.
  • SoftFade_GaSoftFade_Ga Advanced Members Posts: 465
    msguillory wrote on Jan 18 2008, 04:05 PM:
    Something else that would be so usefull would be the ability for these devices to capture information about the club played and distance. Store CourseID, Hole, Clud, Distance for shots you choose to record. Then have the ability to uplaod that to a program that inserts this information to a database so that you can review it later, create reports, ect... Doesn't seem like a lot of information to record from a memory standpoint. I would love to develop something for this. I think that the SureShot does this to some extent but I don't know what. At least with a database of information you could see how you hit your clubs on different courses (possibly altitude changes that effect distance), or overall, with a graph of all shots hit with each club. Might be a good tool to help people recognize where they need to improve.



    Anyway, I really like the SG2.5, but that user mapping is a requirement for me if I am buying something like this.






    Interesting, I only want it to handle my yardage. I keep track of the other stuff on my scorecard and I then transfer it to a database where the I can generate reports and add notes and really do some serious data mining. I definitely dont want to Sky Caddie to handle it. Just give me the yardage and targets. If you keep it simple there is little to **** up.



    I dont think the sky caddie will be able to support recording the lies,clubs used, penalties , putts, sand saves, etc.



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  • pardrivenpardriven pardriven Members Posts: 12
    edited January 2008
    My Skycaddie annual subscription ended Friday and indeed, in the middle of my round today all downloaded courses ceased to appear and the only ones left were the ones I mapped myself. I am pissed! I emailed them and told them that while I intended to renew in the next couple of days (since I have no choice if I want to continue to use it) that I was very disappointed in their customer service. The real **** of the deal was that I was notified last week that I needed to take a new download that I can guarantee is what they designed to remove the courses on the subscription ending date. Last year when it ran out it still worked with downloaded courses, just couldn't add additional ones. That's a BS way to do business and the other guys in my foursome today were not impressed when it quit after 4 holes. I'm not likely to be doing any commercials for them soon.
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  • Big_Guy_Who_GolfsBig_Guy_Who_Golfs Advanced Members Posts: 381
    pardriven wrote on Jan 20 2008, 08:10 PM:
    My Skycaddie annual subscription ended Friday and indeed, in the middle of my round today all downloadede courses ceased to appear and the only ones left were the ones I mapped myself. I am pissed! I emailed them and told them that while I intended to renew in the next couple of days (since I have no choice if I want to continue to use it) that I found was very disappointed in their customer service. The reall **** of the deal was that I was notified last week that I needed to take a new download that I can guarantee is what they designed to remove the courses on the subscription ending date. Last year when it ran out it still worked with downloaded courses, just wouldn't add additional ones. That's a BS way to do business and the other guys in my foursome today were not impressed when it quit after 4 holes. I'm not likely to be doing any commercials for them soon.




    Wow, that is unreal. Sorry to hear that. I got the SG4 for Christmas, which is what triggered my original post after hearing about the SG2.5.



    I've had a weird experience with my new Skycaddie so far. I installed the software and setup my account. I went to look at the subscription options and noticed that my device already had a subscription on record. I found this bizarre since I'm pretty sure the person that purchased my device bought it new and unopened. Anyway, I downloaded all of my local courses and a few out of state that I plan to visit this year for free.



    Then, yesterday, I tried to DirectConnect my device from the SkyGolf Desktop software and it failed to find the device. I'm also getting a windows message saying it couldn't find the USB device and it had no drivers installed. Re-installed the software and no luck. So, needless to say, I am pretty stumped. I'm OK with the courses I've downloaded and I should be alright (assuming they don't disappear on me). But, I will need to get this thing connected back at some point.



    Has this happened to anyone else? Very strange... image/huh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />
  • BrendanHBrendanH Advanced Members Posts: 146 ✭✭
    Big_Guy_Who_Golfs wrote on Jan 20 2008, 07:39 PM:
    Wow, that is unreal. Sorry to hear that. I got the SG4 for Christmas, which is what triggered my original post after hearing about the SG2.5.



    I've had a weird experience with my new Skycaddie so far. I installed the software and setup my account. I went to look at the subscription options and noticed that my device already had a subscription on record. I found this bizarre since I'm pretty sure the person that purchased my device bought it new and unopened. Anyway, I downloaded all of my local courses and a few out of state that I plan to visit this year for free.



    Then, yesterday, I tried to DirectConnect my device from the SkyGolf Desktop software and it failed to find the device. I'm also getting a windows message saying it couldn't find the USB device and it had no drivers installed. Re-installed the software and no luck. So, needless to say, I am pretty stumped. I'm OK with the courses I've downloaded and I should be alright (assuming they don't disappear on me). But, I will need to get this thing connected back at some point.



    Has this happened to anyone else? Very strange... image/huh.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />




    Sounds like maybe you lucked out and got a returned unit with a paid subscription. I hope it hangs in there for you. The failure to DirectConnect could just be a driver problem and not an indication of a problem with the SkyGolf account. Can you try another computer ? Alternatively try uninstalling all SkyGolf software from your desktop, reboot and reinstall. I don't recall this particular problem happening with any of my SkyCaddies but the USB driver issue is an all-too-familiar gotcha with such setup. Good luck !
  • bogeykbogeyk Advanced Members Posts: 987 ✭✭
    edited January 2008
    Could the person who bought it for you have paid for

    the first year?
  • mspin14mspin14 Members Posts: 39
    SG4 is a piece of s*** .. return it for a sg2.5
  • stevestrikestevestrike Advanced Members Posts: 1,956
    msguillory wrote on Jan 20 2008, 02:49 PM:
    Well, I personally would like the ability to add user mapped targets, but I understand that the SkyCaddie does have a lot of 4-star mapped courses with multiple targets on those that are all professionally mapped. What I would like to see from their website is the data points mapped on each course.
    I played my first round with the SG2.5 today. There were a ton of points mapped, but not necessarily everything I would have wanted. I could see wanting to add some custom points, especially on a course I play often.



    Overall, the important points were there--"End of Fairways" being probably the biggest IMHO. The intelligreen feature was neat, and being able to move the "pin" around the map of the green was helpful, especially on greens with "L" or kidney-shaped greens. It was easy to grab that front corner, or the way back right side, and know exactly how far to shoot for. There were a few greenside bunkers that I was surprised to find missing. I realized however, that the movable target on the intelligreen feature let me effectively find the back of the bunker, or at least the edge of the green.



    A feature I thought that I did not care about, automatic hole advance, ended up being one of my favorites. The unit also automatically advances targets as you progress up the fairway. This was confusing at first, because the display was different every time I looked down at the unit. Once I realized it, and just let it be, things were flowing nicely. This unit seems to work best when you just let it do what it does: picks your holes, targets, and views. It seems like they are aiming for a somewhat automatic and hands-off experience.



    The screen was very easy to read all day, and the belt-clip worked very well. Snapping the unit into the clip gave you a confidence that the unit was not going anywhere (falling out/off, slipping, leaving it behind).



    The ball-mark feature was nice, and works just how it should. Yardages seem to be spot on, but one unfortunate thing I noticed was that once you got to the green, the unit switched off all yardages and put "at green" or something on the screen. I think this was to prevent you from seeing that the edges of the green could be 1, 2, or 3 yards off (or more!)



    With the Neo or the SureShot, you can go right to the edge of the green, and it will say "0" or be off a certain amount, and at that point, you can edit the number and resave the corrected course.



    The unit grabbed satellite signal quickly, and kept it all day without a single incident.



    The bottom line is that the SG2.5 is best for people who want a hands-off, low-interaction experience. You don't map or add custom points, the unit chooses your targets automatically and advances holes for you. Being a gadget guy myself, I thought I wanted something more customizable, like the GolfGuru, but in the end I realized that I when I'm on the golf course, I'd rather just focus on my game. The SG's hands-off approach ended up being perfect to that end. If you can get over it's shortcomings, I'd recommend it.
  • golfdad907golfdad907 Play fast, have fun Advanced Members Posts: 3,101
    Not that Sky Golf would ever tell you anything, or admit they know...my 3 cents:



    The 2.5 uses the new software/firmware as SG5 uses. The SG3 and 4 used Magellan based software, internal antenna and generally were p.o.s My SG3 went in three times to be serviced, was extremely inaccuarate at times, and thankfully bounced off cart path and died immediately (about as durable as a champagne glass)...so, I bought SG5 with temp cart mount (fortunately, it was mispriced at 29 instead of $69) and it's awesome. Deadly accurate, rechargable battery has lasted over 12 hours (3.5 rounds), wasn't dead but charged up again just in case.



    Hopefully the 2.5 is just SG5 without color screen, thought it was a gimmick, have to admit it's pretty sweet. Also, same courses on SG5 (compared to SG3) now have greater details (ie yards to carry falso front, a ridge in green, mound, etc).



    If don't have the cash or want to pay for color, 2.5 shoudl be the ticket. Avoid SG3 or 4 like the stinky sheet it is.
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  • Big_Guy_Who_GolfsBig_Guy_Who_Golfs Advanced Members Posts: 381
    golfdad907 wrote on Jan 20 2008, 10:38 PM:
    Not that Sky Golf would ever tell you anything, or admit they know...my 3 cents:



    The 2.5 uses the new software/firmware as SG5 uses. The SG3 and 4 used Magellan based software, internal antenna and generally were p.o.s My SG3 went in three times to be serviced, was extremely inaccuarate at times, and thankfully bounced off cart path and died immediately (about as durable as a champagne glass)...so, I bought SG5 with temp cart mount (fortunately, it was mispriced at 29 instead of $69) and it's awesome. Deadly accurate, rechargable battery has lasted over 12 hours (3.5 rounds), wasn't dead but charged up again just in case.



    Hopefully the 2.5 is just SG5 without color screen, thought it was a gimmick, have to admit it's pretty sweet. Also, same courses on SG5 (compared to SG3) now have greater details (ie yards to carry falso front, a ridge in green, mound, etc).



    If don't have the cash or want to pay for color, 2.5 shoudl be the ticket. Avoid SG3 or 4 like the stinky sheet it is.




    OK. You guys have motivated me to take the SG4 back and get the SG2.5. I don't have the receipt since it was a gift, but I should be able to take it back and Golfsmith will issue a store credit for the difference. Maybe I can score a fairway wood or another wedge for the bag.
  • Big_MBig_M Members Posts: 95
    I would take the SG4 back and get an iGolf... Skygolf is **** everyone because they have the market share, and having to pay a subscription fee each year is nonsense. So is having to buy the $30.00 one plus another $10.00 to add a state, or $50.00 for US. Right now I live on the border of MI and OH, so it's $40.00 minimum, but if I want to use it on vacation in NC... $50.00. This is BS... with igolf you download every course in the area, and favorite and possible vacation destinations... then you let the subscription lapse. With igolf you can also share courses with friends. Only drawback for iGolf is no inteligreen, but 80% of the time I'm approaching the green in a manner where I don't need it, and the other 20% of the time and I can accurately guess using the information in front of me.



    Just my 2 cents... iGolf is a much better product.
  • stevestrikestevestrike Advanced Members Posts: 1,956
    Big_M wrote on Jan 21 2008, 03:52 AM:
    with igolf you download every course in the area, and favorite and possible vacation destinations... then you let the subscription lapse. With igolf you can also share courses with friends.


    This is true for now, but I wouldn't necessarily count on this for the future. iGolf could change this at any time with a software update.
  • BrendanHBrendanH Advanced Members Posts: 146 ✭✭
    For those reading this topic trying to decide which GPS system to go with I felt I should add my almost entirely positive experiences with SkyGolf products. I have been a SkyGolf customer almost continuously since they first launched their PDA model many moons ago. I used the Palm Vx with attached GPS receiver for a couple years before moving on to the SG2 and subsequently a brief period with an SG3.



    The PDA model was pretty much the perfect Golf GPS system. It allowed you to purchase individual professionally mapped courses for a one-time fee of either $4.95 or $9.95 depending on whether or not they included intelligreen mapping. Those courses were then available to you indefinitely and there was no annual fee. Furthermore you could adapt those downloaded courses to your tastes by adding additional targets. In addition to all that you could track stats for each club hit, number of putts, fairways and greens hit, birdies, pars etc per round and upload all that info to the desktop software for further analysis. It was an outstanding system and the only real drawbacks were that it was bulky and the GPS receivers of the time were not very fast to lock on to satellites and could lose lock more easily than the current generation of GPS hardware. Of course that is of no real relevance to a current Golf GPS shopper but I point it out to show that SkyGolf has not ignored such features but in my opinion have abandoned them in an effort to make the systems easier to use.



    The SG2 came along with better GPS locking and a simpler interface and I gladly moved to that model. I really didn't care that the stats tracking features were lost as I had stopped using them anyway since it took too much time and focus away from just playing the game. The one feature that I wish they had kept was the ability to add targets to the professionally mapped courses. However, those course are already very well mapped and I have not found it to be a serious problem. YMMV of course.



    As mentioned above I also had a brief stint with an SG3 before I swapped it out for a Pinseeker 1500 TE. That decision had nothing to do with any performance problems with the SG3 but instead was more about a desire to get accurate pin yardages. I don't doubt the reported problems with the SG3/4 GPS performance but the interface was a great upgrade from the SG2. The ability to see more targets onscreen at once was a great improvement and being able to tap on a target and get remaining yardage to the center was also a very useful step up. I'm not certain but I don't believe any other current Golf GPS system does that. It seems clear from the many negative posts about the SG3/4 hardware however that SkyGolf definitely slipped up with those models and so it would seem prudent to avoid purchasing an SG3/4 now that the SG2.5 and SG5 have come along. I for one find it refreshing that SkyGolf have seemingly addressed the hardware problems so quickly and moved on to better products. If I'm correct it took them just 12 months to make that happen. Just my opinion but I think that's a good response to a slip-up in their hardware roadmap.



    I recently picked up an SG5 as a compliment to my Pinseeker 1500 since I found there are many situations that only a GPS system can handle, but I still want to retain the ability to get accurate pin yardages - particularly inside 150 yards. I started reading this topic as part of my research to decide which of the many GPS options to go with and I yet again went with SkyGolf for the following reasons :



    1. The courses are professionally mapped on the ground not from satellite photos. It doesn't take a scientist to realise the obvious benefits in terms of accuracy there.

    2. The mappings include many many targets. I just went through each hole on my home courses and they have probably 95% of anything I would want mapped.

    3. The intelligreen feature in my experience is indispensable. I don't believe anyone else has this and frankly I never want another GPS system without it.

    4. The pro-front yardage option is very useful to me when I play a tournament with provided pinsheets.

    5. The center yardage from any selected target can be very helpful for determining strategy. No more guesswork involved.



    There are more pros on my list but those 5 are the hotlist for me. I will gladly pay $30 per year for the quality and reliability of the course data. Given how much we all spend on equipment , green fees, memberships etc, $30 is entirely insignificant IMHO.



    I realize that many have had problems with customer service with SkyGolf and I don't doubt those posters whatsoever. I just wanted to point out that I have had a great experience with their staff. At one point I dragged my older PDA model out of mothballs to set it up for a golf buddy of mine and I realized that I had lost the software CD. It was not available for download from the website so I had to contact customer service. They went to a lot of trouble to grab an ISO image of a CD they had in hand and post it on an FTP server for me to download. Now this was no longer a supported product but they went the extra mile to get me back up and running again. I have rarely experienced that level of service anywhere. Like I said before however - this was just my experience and I don't doubt the problems others have reported. My experience was the only time I have ever had to contact them and I have no reason to expect I'll need to call anytime soon for my new SG5. For me, a superior product is worth any potential headache a most likely unnecessary customer service call may create.



    Anyway, I'm not trying to lessen anyone else's comments, merely adding my own experience for those reading and trying to make a purchase decision.



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  • DrawDaBallDrawDaBall Advanced Members Posts: 129
    I just bought the SG5 after doing alot of reading and research online. From what I gathered, the 2 and the 5 were the best models, and the 3 and 4 had problems. I guess it makes sense to make improvements on the 2 since it is regarded as a really good model. I agree with an above poster that you may see the 3 and 4 phased out and they keep the 2.5 and 5.
  • Big_MBig_M Members Posts: 95
    stevestrike wrote on Jan 21 2008, 09:40 AM:
    This is true for now, but I wouldn't necessarily count on this for the future. iGolf could change this at any time with a software update.




    No, not really... my iGolf will always work with the courses that I have already downloaded and stored on my CPU. Unlike skycaddie, with igolf I store the course fies on my CPU and not in a "skybank". And my decvice itself holds 40.



    Yes, they could make later models that work different, or change the download system, but if I download 100 courses right now, and those are the only courses I ever intend to play... then I'm all set... period.



    My only point is that I didn't like the way skycaddie forced you to rely on them so much... not letting you map more than F C B and having to store courses on their system, and paying for every state. It was all too gimicky for me. But I will say this... there product is nice, the interface is great, and intelligreen can't be beat. But, overall... I like the igolf... I want someone to compete with skycaddie, and I think they are the best ones to do so.
  • snipersniper Members Posts: 641 ✭✭
    I have been thinking about the 2.5 but I have never owned any GPS device. Lots of good info in this topic. I do have one question, does the purchase price include the 1st years subscription or is that an additional fee?
  • BrendanHBrendanH Advanced Members Posts: 146 ✭✭
    sniper wrote on Jan 21 2008, 10:10 AM:
    I have been thinking about the 2.5 but I have never owned any GPS device. Lots of good info in this topic. I do have one question, does the purchase price include the 1st years subscription or is that an additional fee?




    There's no subscription included in the purchase price. You will need to subscribe and download your courses before playing. I think you can map your own course without the subscription but I've never done that so I may be wrong.
  • Solutions EtceteraSolutions Etcetera Advanced Members Posts: 2,556
    edited January 2008
    BrendanH wrote on Jan 21 2008, 06:42 AM:
    The courses are professionally mapped on the ground not from satellite photos. It doesn't take a scientist to realise the obvious benefits in terms of accuracy there.


    Actually... it does.



    And because of the assumptions that have been bandied about in a few GPS threads here, I asked one... a client of ours at the USGS. His response was that the IKONOS and QuickBird sensor images available from the major satellite imaging sources are very accurate (.8m - 1m on IKONOS, and up to .5m on QuickBird).



    So, given the inherit random accuracy of +/- 3m of a human being using a hand held device to map a course, satellite imagery can indeed be more accurate. Of course this will depend on the images/software the other GPS vendors are using to map their courses.



    Below is a sample of a QuickBird sensor image. Pretty amazing stuff.



    http://www.satimagingcorp.com/galleryimage...h-guam-opti.jpg
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  • BrendanHBrendanH Advanced Members Posts: 146 ✭✭
    Solutions Etcetera wrote on Jan 21 2008, 10:41 AM:
    BrendanH wrote on Jan 21 2008, 06:42 AM:
    The courses are professionally mapped on the ground not from satellite photos. It doesn't take a scientist to realise the obvious benefits in terms of accuracy there.


    Actually... it does.



    And because of the assumptions that have been bandied about in a few GPS threads here, I asked one... a client of ours at the USGS. His response was that the IKONOS and QuickBird sensor images available from the major satellite imaging sources are very accurate (.8m - 1m on IKONOS, and up to .5m on QuickBird).



    So, given the inherit random accuracy of +/- 3m of a human being using a hand held device to map a course, satellite imagery can indeed be more accurate. Of course this will depend on the images/software the other GPS vendors are using to map their courses.



    Below is a sample of a QuickBird sensor image. Pretty amazing stuff.






    I don't doubt that satellite imagery can indeed be accurate. However, to assume that those folks mapping courses using satellite imagery are doing so in a manner that takes full advantage of this accuracy is optimistic at best in my view. Given the large number of courses that they need to map and the fact that doing so is a tedious low-skilled job (assuming we're dealing with some piece of software where you just point and click at the positions on the images), I would guess that the job can frequently be rushed, resulting in less-than-optimal results. This is all conjecture on my part of course and I could well be out of place and doing an injustice to those performing this mapping process. Given that the exact procedure in use by those mapping via imagery is not available to me I can only make the most reasonable judgement possible. That still remains that someone walking the course with a GPS receiver will get better results than someone clicking on an image.
  • Big_MBig_M Members Posts: 95
    BrendanH wrote on Jan 21 2008, 12:54 PM:
    I don't doubt that satellite imagery can indeed be accurate. However, to assume that those folks mapping courses using satellite imagery are doing so in a manner that takes full advantage of this accuracy is optimistic at best in my view. Given the large number of courses that they need to map and the fact that doing so is a tedious low-skilled job (assuming we're dealing with some piece of software where you just point and click at the positions on the images), I would guess that the job can frequently be rushed, resulting in less-than-optimal results. This is all conjecture on my part of course and I could well be out of place and doing an injustice to those performing this mapping process. Given that the exact procedure in use by those mapping via imagery is not available to me I can only make the most reasonable judgement possible. That still remains that someone walking the course with a GPS receiver will get better results than someone clicking on an image.






    really... and you don't think some jackhole walking the course might take shortcuts. Pointing on the right spot takes no additional effort, walking to an exact location actually requires legwork. Do you think the people walking the course are highly paid, skilled professionals, probably not. Also, all I know, is that my iGolf has been spot on, on the courses I've been to, and if something was wrong... I could edit the file, unlike skycaddie.
  • 23muc23muc Advanced Members Posts: 85
    I would tend to agree although I also have no real knowledge on the subject....seems to me that the obvious targets ie bunkers, water etc should be pretty accurate from the air if done with care. I would be more concerned with things like layups to plateaus or flat spots etc that someone on the ground would deem important layups or hills/gulleys to avoid etc...things that from that picture may not be as obvious or detectable....I can think of several points on my course that from the air don't look like much trouble....but believe me...been at some of those places and they are a whole lot different and menacing at eye level!!
  • stevestrikestevestrike Advanced Members Posts: 1,956
    Big_M wrote on Jan 21 2008, 01:00 PM:
    No, not really... my iGolf will always work with the courses that I have already downloaded and stored on my CPU. ...


    I'm glad you are so sure about this, but you cannot know that the course files do not have an expiration date set into the file. Do you?



    Second, do you mind shrinking that picture down some? It's ridiculous, and does really prove anything. We all have Google Earth and know what satellite imagery looks like.



    Lastly, you guys can be fine with courses mapped by imagery, I'm sure they are alright. But of all the complaints you can make about SG, inaccurate course files are not one of them. I played yesterday with the iGolf & SG2.5 side by side for reference. Mostly they were right on, but several of the greens the iGolf was off by 2-3 yards, and off by 7 on one.
  • Big_MBig_M Members Posts: 95
    yeah... it wasn't me that did that picture (it is rediculous)



    as to the files having expiraion dates... that would spell a lawsuit for iGolf... they specifically state that this is NOT the case



    accuracy... my point was you can edit the points if they are wrong... and I am sure skygolf is accurate as well... I was just saying that they are the ones who started this whole "we have someone walk the course" nonsense to try to frighten people away from the other less expensive instruments. Both methods work just fine.
  • Solutions EtceteraSolutions Etcetera Advanced Members Posts: 2,556
    stevestrike wrote on Jan 21 2008, 10:16 AM:
    do you mind shrinking that picture down some? It's ridiculous, and does really prove anything. We all have Google Earth and know what satellite imagery looks like.


    I have yet to see an image of anywhere near this resolution in GE.



    But as the image is undoubtedly copyright, I chose only to provide a link to it. Sorry, not my place to download, modify, and repost their images.
  • BrendanHBrendanH Advanced Members Posts: 146 ✭✭
    stevestrike wrote on Jan 21 2008, 11:16 AM:
    Lastly, you guys can be fine with courses mapped by imagery, I'm sure they are alright. But of all the complaints you can make about SG, inaccurate course files are not one of them. I played yesterday with the iGolf & SG2.5 side by side for reference. Mostly they were right on, but several of the greens the iGolf was off by 2-3 yards, and off by 7 on one.




    That's precisely what I was afraid of when making my decision. Granted you can correct those errors with the iGolf and maybe other systems but I'd rather not have to worry about such flaws. Incidentally I have never once noticed an error of anything more than a couple yards with any SkyCaddie I've played with. That encompasses at least 30+ courses I've played regularly over the years.
  • BrendanHBrendanH Advanced Members Posts: 146 ✭✭
    Big_M wrote on Jan 21 2008, 11:28 AM:
    I was just saying that they are the ones who started this whole "we have someone walk the course" nonsense to try to frighten people away from the other less expensive instruments. Both methods work just fine.




    I gotta say that's a rather sweeping and unsubstantiated accusation to fire at SkyGolf. You're assuming that they did not look at the options and choose to have people physically walk the course in an effort to get what they deemed to be the best possible results. Calling their approach to mapping nonsense when everyone seems to agree that their mappings are reliably accurate is somewhat foolish. It is undoubtedly more expensive to physically map a course than to do so via satellite imagery. For you to suggest they chose to do this for 16,000+ courses purely as propaganda against their competitors (who incidentally were nowhere to be found when SkyGolf started their course mapping) is dare I say it, nonsense !! image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />
  • stevestrikestevestrike Advanced Members Posts: 1,956
    Solutions Etcetera wrote on Jan 21 2008, 02:34 PM:
    stevestrike wrote on Jan 21 2008, 10:16 AM:
    do you mind shrinking that picture down some? It's ridiculous, and does really prove anything. We all have Google Earth and know what satellite imagery looks like.


    I have yet to see an image of anywhere near this resolution in GE.



    But as the image is undoubtedly copyright, I chose only to provide a link to it. Sorry, not my place to download, modify, and repost their images.


    Fine, so post a LINK and not embed the actual image. Not your place indeed.
  • Solutions EtceteraSolutions Etcetera Advanced Members Posts: 2,556
    edited January 2008
    Happy now Steve?



    Bandwidth challenged, are we? (c;
  • Big_MBig_M Members Posts: 95
    BrendanH wrote on Jan 21 2008, 02:24 PM:
    I gotta say that's a rather sweeping and unsubstantiated accusation to fire at SkyGolf.... Calling their approach to mapping nonsense when everyone seems to agree that their mappings are reliably accurate is somewhat foolish.




    I never said their approach was nonsense... only their advertisement that says satellite mapping is inaccurate is nonsense. My point is that BOTH are accurate. BOTH, not one or the other...



    Also, as far as I know (can't remember where I read this)... there has been recent advances in technology that make satellite mapping work, when SKygolf started it was more accurate to walk the course, but now... BOTH work similarly well. My point... Skygolf should just tell people how accurate their way is... not bash another way.



    Maybe Skygolf is worried that with satellite imaging now being availableand accurate there will be no reason to charge exorbiant subscription fees, and other companies might start undercutting them... oh wait, that's already happening. Competition is a GREAT thing.. and eventually the companies that adapt and incorprate the best ideas into delivering a product that is cost effective and of the highest quality will win out. Hopefully 2-3 three companies will emerge with near equal market shares... and this will benefit the consumer in cost and quality.



    That is why I dislike Skygolf stepping on all the smaller companies (by making unsubstantiated claims)... it would be better for us, the consumer, if a few survived.
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