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  • PutterKilledTheDreamPutterKilledTheDream Members Posts: 3,328 ✭✭
    Redjeep83 wrote:


    also didnt answer bph other question fully.



    When I asked him he asked if I had ever heard of Kwons research with ground reaction forces, moment arms etc. He said what they are doing is based off Kwons research and they are trying to create the biggest moment arm possible. Leaving arms up, clearing hips almost backwards feeling and pushing up with right foot. Ive pretty much covered what else he told me in other posts in this thread. Not sure its exactly the same as what como teaches, doubt it, but como does teach similar. Leaving hands up and clearing with body, check golf digest.


    Real strange jeepers...... GG tells H just recently he's never met you, has no idea who you are, has never talked to you. Here you are describing his methodology like you're buddies. Kinda stalker-ish.
  • Redjeep83Redjeep83 Members Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Redjeep83 wrote:


    also didnt answer bph other question fully.



    When I asked him he asked if I had ever heard of Kwons research with ground reaction forces, moment arms etc. He said what they are doing is based off Kwons research and they are trying to create the biggest moment arm possible. Leaving arms up, clearing hips almost backwards feeling and pushing up with right foot. Ive pretty much covered what else he told me in other posts in this thread. Not sure its exactly the same as what como teaches, doubt it, but como does teach similar. Leaving hands up and clearing with body, check golf digest.


    Real strange jeepers...... GG tells H just recently he's never met you, has no idea who you are, has never talked to you. Here you are describing his methodology like you're buddies. Kinda stalker-ish.




    dont worry, Ive asked George if Kwons research had any influence on the pivot and arms he teaches. Il let you know
  • PutterKilledTheDreamPutterKilledTheDream Members Posts: 3,328 ✭✭
    Redjeep83 wrote:


    Redjeep83 wrote:


    also didnt answer bph other question fully.



    When I asked him he asked if I had ever heard of Kwons research with ground reaction forces, moment arms etc. He said what they are doing is based off Kwons research and they are trying to create the biggest moment arm possible. Leaving arms up, clearing hips almost backwards feeling and pushing up with right foot. Ive pretty much covered what else he told me in other posts in this thread. Not sure its exactly the same as what como teaches, doubt it, but como does teach similar. Leaving hands up and clearing with body, check golf digest.


    Real strange jeepers...... GG tells H just recently he's never met you, has no idea who you are, has never talked to you. Here you are describing his methodology like you're buddies. Kinda stalker-ish.




    dont worry, Ive asked George if Kwons research had any influence on the pivot and arms he teaches. Il let you know


    I can't wait. You're like 'deepthroat' to the golf instruction community...... so much inside info.
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  • chigolfer1chigolfer1 Members Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    What is with GG threads on here? Are people jealous of his noteriety, did he rub the "instructor community" the wrong way somehow in socal? Just weird.
  • Rambo50Rambo50 Members Posts: 31 ✭✭
    I already suffer from hanging back sometimes on my trail foot.....is GG's "sitting on the right side" going to make that worse?
  • Redjeep83Redjeep83 Members Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    so heath and others you going to be a man and apologize now? dont worry I dont expect it. I've heard from Dana so far, who teaches pretty much the same pivot as George and whom I originally said it was about. As I said,,, see response below



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  • sethdavidsdadsethdavidsdad Members Posts: 1,820 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Redjeep83 wrote:
    so heath and others you going to be a man and apologize now? dont worry I dont expect it. I've heard from Dana so far, who teaches pretty much the same pivot as George and whom I originally said it was about. As I said,,, see response below





    Did you just post dana's cell phone number on a Internet forum?
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    Redjeep83 wrote:
    so heath and others you going to be a man and apologize now? dont worry I dont expect it. I've heard from Dana so far, who teaches pretty much the same pivot as George and whom I originally said it was about. As I said,,, see response below





    Did you just post dana's cell phone number on a Internet forum?




    Public info, it's on his site.
  • hakkyhakky Members Posts: 19
    Rambo50 wrote:


    I already suffer from hanging back sometimes on my trail foot.....is GG's "sitting on the right side" going to make that worse?




    You only hang back if the right knee gets in flexion and is kicking towards the target early in the downswing. That lowers right side of the pelvis.
  • Redjeep83Redjeep83 Members Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Jun 22, 2016 #102
    Nice... Knew you would try to work your way around it. Georges response is coming even though the pivots look nearly identical
  • bph7bph7 Banned Posts: 5,719
    chigolfer1 wrote:


    What is with GG threads on here? Are people jealous of his noteriety, did he rub the "instructor community" the wrong way somehow in socal? Just weird.




    I don't see any negativity towards GG. All the instructors on here respect him a lot.
  • bph7bph7 Banned Posts: 5,719
    Rambo50 wrote:


    I already suffer from hanging back sometimes on my trail foot.....is GG's "sitting on the right side" going to make that worse?




    Possibly. If you keep the right knee from going into flexion too soon it's kind of hard to hang back too much. But in a total vacuum, without an instructor, you could very well make it worse cuz the move isn't so simple.
  • Redjeep83Redjeep83 Members Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't know your conversations with George. Not saying you are wrong in what you know but you don't know it all. You are the one saying I don't know, George's response is coming. Il let you know about Danas pivot, it's very much the same as George's
  • PJ1120PJ1120 Members Posts: 722 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I could google this question but I'm feeling a little lazy. Can someone explain what a "moment arm" is?
  • ShutSteepStuckShutSteepStuck Grinding like Briny Baird The ValleyMembers Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    PJ1120 wrote:


    I could google this question but I'm feeling a little lazy. Can someone explain what a "moment arm" is?




    Can't remember from where I took these screenshots otherwise I would link it and give the guy his props. I recall the following are his own thoughts and takeaways from some time spent with Dr. Kwon.



    The GG principle of leaving the arms up at/during transition helps one, IF the pivot is working properly, and esp. if one can kick up from p6 to impact, to direct more force into the golf ball.
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  • CrabDaddyCrabDaddy Members Posts: 2,034
    At the risk of being on topic...

    A while back there was a lot of talk regarding Bender, ZJ, and Mahan and the intent/focus of speeding up the arms. Do you guys feel that is in any way compatible with what George teaches?

    I ask because I've been having a hard time squaring the clubface and my path is way left. Generally feel like I'm dragging the handle through impact. Short irons/wedges have been dynamite, but mid irons up have been sketchy. Recently, I tried speeding up the arms after sitting into the right leg, and it has helped quite a bit. Wondering if it's more of a band-aid or something I need to make George's "model" work properly.
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  • CrabDaddyCrabDaddy Members Posts: 2,034
    Thanks, Heath. That's kinda what I thought, but wanted some confirmation.

    When you started with George, how much effort did you have to put into keeping the right shoulder in ER? That feeling of being under plane or getting the shaft on the "4:30" line at P6 has been tough.

    I appreciate your input. Hope this thread can hang around!
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  • The StallionThe Stallion Members Posts: 19
    Heath, What are no throws again? I've watched alot of GG's videos but I'm blanking on which drill this is again.


    Hstead wrote:

    CrabDaddy wrote:


    Thanks, Heath. That's kinda what I thought, but wanted some confirmation.

    When you started with George, how much effort did you have to put into keeping the right shoulder in ER? That feeling of being under plane or getting the shaft on the "4:30" line at P6 has been tough.

    I appreciate your input. Hope this thread can hang around!




    I used to try all kinds of things to get the right should to go external on the way down, with little success. Now I do not pay it any attention what so ever. If my lower body works, and I don't pull with the arms, the shaft lays down more than I used to lay it down when I was trying to intentionally lay it down. Freezers and no throws, while making sure the left knee is going down and around and the right knee cap is facing forward did the trick for me better than when I intentionally tried to shallow.
  • KuchhhhhhKuchhhhhh Members Posts: 2,241 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Heath, What are no throws again? I've watched alot of GG's videos but I'm blanking on which drill this is again.


    Hstead wrote:

    CrabDaddy wrote:


    Thanks, Heath. That's kinda what I thought, but wanted some confirmation.

    When you started with George, how much effort did you have to put into keeping the right shoulder in ER? That feeling of being under plane or getting the shaft on the "4:30" line at P6 has been tough.

    I appreciate your input. Hope this thread can hang around!




    I used to try all kinds of things to get the right should to go external on the way down, with little success. Now I do not pay it any attention what so ever. If my lower body works, and I don't pull with the arms, the shaft lays down more than I used to lay it down when I was trying to intentionally lay it down. Freezers and no throws, while making sure the left knee is going down and around and the right knee cap is facing forward did the trick for me better than when I intentionally tried to shallow.




    Basically where you rotate and right shoulder gets to ball before club it's an exaggeration and Heath I'm stealing this as my range warmup. How hard do you go with the no throws? 50%?
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  • Redjeep83Redjeep83 Members Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I dont have anything to apologize about, I never said you were wrong, just that you don't have all the info. Dana's pivot is influenced by Kwon's research which I have originally stated all along, the pivots look very similar. Georges legwork is probably a bit unique I guess. So George has been friends with como for 20 years and says he is the guy he goes to for any question on physics and biomechanics in the golf swing but hasn't influenced what he teaches with arms or anything?
  • CrabDaddyCrabDaddy Members Posts: 2,034
    Hstead wrote:
    CrabDaddy wrote:


    Thanks, Heath. That's kinda what I thought, but wanted some confirmation.

    When you started with George, how much effort did you have to put into keeping the right shoulder in ER? That feeling of being under plane or getting the shaft on the "4:30" line at P6 has been tough.

    I appreciate your input. Hope this thread can hang around!




    I used to try all kinds of things to get the right should to go external on the way down, with little success. Now I do not pay it any attention what so ever. If my lower body works, and I don't pull with the arms, the shaft lays down more than I used to lay it down when I was trying to intentionally lay it down. Freezers and no throws, while making sure the left knee is going down and around and the right knee cap is facing forward did the trick for me better than when I intentionally tried to shallow.


    Thanks again! I'll keep at it. Thought my leg work was pretty good, but doesn't sound like it is, lol.
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  • SchneeSchnee SOTABM NortheastClubWRX Posts: 5,516 ClubWRX
    Redjeep83 wrote:


    I dont have anything to apologize about, I never said you were wrong, just that you don't have all the info. Dana's pivot is influenced by Kwon's research which I have originally stated all along, the pivots look very similar. Georges legwork is probably a bit unique I guess. So George has been friends with como for 20 years and says he is the guy he goes to for any question on physics and biomechanics in the golf swing but hasn't influenced what he teaches with arms or anything?




    Why do you insist on bringing up Dana? You're the only one talking about him. This is a thread about GG's pivot. Enough already.
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    Schnee wrote:

    Redjeep83 wrote:


    I dont have anything to apologize about, I never said you were wrong, just that you don't have all the info. Dana's pivot is influenced by Kwon's research which I have originally stated all along, the pivots look very similar. Georges legwork is probably a bit unique I guess. So George has been friends with como for 20 years and says he is the guy he goes to for any question on physics and biomechanics in the golf swing but hasn't influenced what he teaches with arms or anything?




    Why do you insist on bringing up Dana? You're the only one talking about him. This is a thread about GG's pivot. Enough already.




    Agreed. As other posters have said, better to ignore.



    Thanks for sharing Hstead, keep up the good work!
  • Redjeep83Redjeep83 Members Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    yea I would make that bet that he has been influenced by como in some of what he teaches.. like I said before



    "So George has been friends with como for 20 years and says he is the guy he goes to for any question on physics and biomechanics in the golf swing but hasn't influenced what he teaches with arms or anything? "
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    We can't post GG links right? Can we give names of videos for someone to go look at to get what people are explaining?
  • Michael C.Michael C. Things that make you go hmmm Members Posts: 4,490 ✭✭
    Heath, first of all, thank you.



    My question. Do you feel like the club releases because of the pivot or is this where the throw comes in?
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  • MPStratMPStrat Members Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Heath, is the extension from p6 to impact what he calls the "kick up" with the legs and pelvis?
  • Michael C.Michael C. Things that make you go hmmm Members Posts: 4,490 ✭✭
    Hstead wrote:

    Michael C. wrote:


    Heath, first of all, thank you.



    My question. Do you feel like the club releases because of the pivot or is this where the throw comes in?




    You are welcome. I enjoy sharing what I have learned from Dan, Monte, and George.



    I guess technically with George's pivot, the throw and release happen as a result of the pivot down to P6, and then the way you extend from P6 through impact. But when you say "feel", for me I actually "feel" like I am doing a no throw and not releasing at all when I am playing for the most part. The "release" just happens for me. But with that said, when I was in Westlake, I kept wanting to hold my "flying wedge" well past impact. George does not like that. This is where we talked about what kind of release he likes to see. Although George has many complimentary things to say about Kelvin and what he teaches, the one area he strongly parts ways is on the release. George does not like the drive hold release. He likes to see the "Y" formed by the arms and chest to remain in tact and after impact he doesn't want you holding onto anything. He wants the club to point back at you P8.



    I had to work on that, not trying to hold the "wedge" forever and just let the club go.




    Feels are subjective but wanted to get your take.



    I only subscribe to his youtube channel and heard him talk about the throw and the no throw in drills. I know I've found my ball striking is much better if I'm patient with the hands and just kind of let them get there when they get there and let them release.



    Thanks again, sir.
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  • MPStratMPStrat Members Posts: 1,018 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Hstead wrote:

    MPStrat wrote:


    Heath, is the extension from p6 to impact what he calls the "kick up" with the legs and pelvis?




    Yep. He basically teaches it three ways depending on if you want to draw or fade it, or hit it high or low. Stay in flex longer for lower fade, kick up fast and high for high draw, and standard for basic height shot. He has variations of almost all parts of the swing and you just pick what matches your other parts and how you want to move it.




    Great info, thanks. Do you feel like your pressure is 50/50 when you begin extending?

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