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  • NikeGolferTXNikeGolferTX  346WRX Points: 52Members Posts: 346
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    Biggest advice for Gankas model.



    DO NOT BACK AWAY AT IMPACT. Don't pull that left shoulder backwards or upwards.



    Keep it down through impact while rotating and you'll find yourself at perfect impact.
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  • Jsp3316Jsp3316  42WRX Points: 27Members Posts: 42
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    Has anyone struggled with hooks when applying this method? I've always been a natural fader of the ball started implementing GG pivot and I'm hitting some hooks and over draws.
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  • RichieHuntRichieHunt  3888WRX Points: 538Members Posts: 3,888
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    I have struggled with hooks and also dead right shots. Essentially, the shaft got much shallower, but there was still some pulling down of the shaft combined poor lower body action that makes it easier for the path to go out to the right. Then I don’t get enough chest rotation and the clubface closes hard. If it closes too much…hooks. If it doesn’t close enough…dead push.



    But, it’s due to a lack of executing what GG prescribes than the actual model itself. That’s my guess as to what is happening to you…you were probably steep at one time, now shallow. And because you didn’t rotate when you were steeper with the shaft, you are struggling to get that rotation after p5. And you may be still pulling down too much. It may be better than it was, but still too much of it is going on.







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  • NikeGolferTXNikeGolferTX  346WRX Points: 52Members Posts: 346
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    I've applied the GG pivot.



    My transition is shallow, I'm open at impact with a bent right arm and I've never hit better in my life.

    I've had a huge breakthrough this past couple of months and I thought I'd share the light bulb moments:



    What I've learned is the correct tilts and where the upper and lower body are in relation to each other is the key to freeing up the swing.



    Steps 1-3 happen simultaneously:





    1.) From the top of the backswing I feel external rotation of the left leg and the lead side of the pelvis tilting lower than the right side of the pelvis. As this is happening the lower body will slightly open up.





    2.) I purposely keep my upper body facing towards my right foot while adding front and right bend. This part is HUGE! Remember, this is happening during the first step. So at this point, the lower body is rotating while you keep the upper body back.





    3.) Let the right arm externally rotate. You can sort of feel the club shallowing in reaction to the lower body. Don't add any force to the club.





    4.) This next sequence is difficult to explain: Once my left butt cheek is 'around', or behind me, I'm at P-5....that's when I start rotating the club head to the ball with my body. This is where I actually feel like the swing starts. Make sure the clubhead follows the swing arc and not down the line.





    5.) Try to keep the upper body (shoulders) level with the ground as you're coming into contact. Most people will want to add in more right bend and swing the arms through at this point...don't, just keep turning. You will be surprised at how vertical your shoulders actually are, but they will feel level.



    None of this will work if your backswing isn't setup properly. Also the COM needs to stay behind the body.

    If you're hitting driver, disregard step 5 and instead add right bend and loads of pelvic thrust.
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  • BottleCapBottleCap  1473WRX Points: 240Members Posts: 1,473
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    I've applied the GG pivot.



    My transition is shallow, I'm open at impact with a bent right arm and I've never hit better in my life.

    I've had a huge breakthrough this past couple of months and I thought I'd share the light bulb moments:



    What I've learned is the correct tilts and where the upper and lower body are in relation to each other is the key to freeing up the swing.



    Steps 1-3 happen simultaneously:





    1.) From the top of the backswing I feel external rotation of the left leg and the lead side of the pelvis tilting lower than the right side of the pelvis. As this is happening the lower body will slightly open up.





    2.) I purposely keep my upper body facing towards my right foot while adding front and right bend. This part is HUGE! Remember, this is happening during the first step. So at this point, the lower body is rotating while you keep the upper body back.





    3.) Let the right arm externally rotate. You can sort of feel the club shallowing in reaction to the lower body. Don't add any force to the club.





    4.) This next sequence is difficult to explain: Once my left butt cheek is 'around', or behind me, I'm at P-5....that's when I start rotating the club head to the ball with my body. This is where I actually feel like the swing starts. Make sure the clubhead follows the swing arc and not down the line.





    5.) Try to keep the upper body (shoulders) level with the ground as you're coming into contact. Most people will want to add in more right bend and swing the arms through at this point...don't, just keep turning. You will be surprised at how vertical your shoulders actually are, but they will feel level.



    None of this will work if your backswing isn't setup properly. Also the COM needs to stay behind the body.

    If you're hitting driver, disregard step 5 and instead add right bend and loads of pelvic thrust.




    can you post a video?
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  • Buckets2Buckets2  2567WRX Points: 287Members Posts: 2,567
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    Jsp3316 wrote:


    Has anyone struggled with hooks when applying this method? I've always been a natural fader of the ball started implementing GG pivot and I'm hitting some hooks and over draws.




    For me I'll pull or hook the ball when I dont rotate my body through enough, so the clubhead moves through and turns over too much or too soon as compensation and voila...pull or overdraw.
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    Has anyone experienced hitting really high iron shots when using this method? He always talks in his videos about how far his guys hit 8 irons from delofting...but I seem to be hitting very high shots with good contact. I'm using PX 6.5 shafts...so don't think it's a shaft issue.
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    What is the best feel to get crossed at the top and steep going back?
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  • B_of_HB_of_H  268WRX Points: 72Members Posts: 268
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    Go_Time wrote:


    Has anyone experienced hitting really high iron shots when using this method? He always talks in his videos about how far his guys hit 8 irons from delofting...but I seem to be hitting very high shots with good contact. I'm using PX 6.5 shafts...so don't think it's a shaft issue.




    it should be the opposite. post a video to be sure but my guess is that you must be stalling/hanging back and flipping to get the ball up in the air. Are you hitting it further or shorter?
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  • Buckets2Buckets2  2567WRX Points: 287Members Posts: 2,567
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    B_of_H wrote:

    Go_Time wrote:


    Has anyone experienced hitting really high iron shots when using this method? He always talks in his videos about how far his guys hit 8 irons from delofting...but I seem to be hitting very high shots with good contact. I'm using PX 6.5 shafts...so don't think it's a shaft issue.




    it should be the opposite. post a video to be sure but my guess is that you must be stalling/hanging back and flipping to get the ball up in the air. Are you hitting it further or shorter?




    Definitely hitting irons further. I think too much tilt and/or front shoulder coming up too soon are main culprits. I hit it a bit lower and flatter when I do a freezer...but when I go in one motion it's noticeably higher. Not necessary a bad thing but PX 6.5 shafts should be flatter I reckon.



    Although, maybe I just think they should be going lower but given the speed + distance, they're in reality going an appropriate height? For instance, the 35* 7-iron going about 195?
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  • NikeGolferTXNikeGolferTX  346WRX Points: 52Members Posts: 346
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    Go_Time wrote:

    B_of_H wrote:

    Go_Time wrote:


    Has anyone experienced hitting really high iron shots when using this method? He always talks in his videos about how far his guys hit 8 irons from delofting...but I seem to be hitting very high shots with good contact. I'm using PX 6.5 shafts...so don't think it's a shaft issue.




    it should be the opposite. post a video to be sure but my guess is that you must be stalling/hanging back and flipping to get the ball up in the air. Are you hitting it further or shorter?




    Definitely hitting irons further. I think too much tilt and/or front shoulder coming up too soon are main culprits. I hit it a bit lower and flatter when I do a freezer...but when I go in one motion it's noticeably higher. Not necessary a bad thing but PX 6.5 shafts should be flatter I reckon.



    Although, maybe I just think they should be going lower but given the speed + distance, they're in reality going an appropriate height? For instance, the 35* 7-iron going about 195?
    If you're getting loads of distance with lots of height, consider yourself lucky unless you play a links course. That ball flight will hold greens nicely. A lot of high ball hitters get lower in transition and then extend the legs which increases parametric acceleration through impact. I am personally not a fan of it, because it requires more timing and gets a little handsy at impact.



    I get low-mid level ball flight that starts low and rises, but I keep my left leg in flexion through impact, similar to Dustin Johnson and other low ball hitters. My 7 launches at about 14-15 degrees. It's very advantageous in high wind conditions.



    Also, if the intention post impact is to use your body to release of the club, instead of the hands, that too can also help you hit lower.
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  • B_of_HB_of_H  268WRX Points: 72Members Posts: 268
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    Go_Time wrote:

    B_of_H wrote:

    Go_Time wrote:


    Has anyone experienced hitting really high iron shots when using this method? He always talks in his videos about how far his guys hit 8 irons from delofting...but I seem to be hitting very high shots with good contact. I'm using PX 6.5 shafts...so don't think it's a shaft issue.




    it should be the opposite. post a video to be sure but my guess is that you must be stalling/hanging back and flipping to get the ball up in the air. Are you hitting it further or shorter?




    Definitely hitting irons further. I think too much tilt and/or front shoulder coming up too soon are main culprits. I hit it a bit lower and flatter when I do a freezer...but when I go in one motion it's noticeably higher. Not necessary a bad thing but PX 6.5 shafts should be flatter I reckon.



    Although, maybe I just think they should be going lower but given the speed + distance, they're in reality going an appropriate height? For instance, the 35* 7-iron going about 195?




    if its going further and you have the speed to swing those shafts then I wouldn't worry too much. When I first started trying this move I had some inconsistency with flight. Right now if anything I hit it a little lower but at one point I was hitting my irons stupid long and had to dial it back a bit to get more consistency. I feel like I swing slow and about 80% length of what I used to and i'm getting more control of the ball flight and distance now. There is no doubt IMO that this method creates a lot of speed. (that being said my spin numbers have actually gone down)
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  • chigolfer1chigolfer1  1217WRX Points: 288Members Posts: 1,217
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    I've applied the GG pivot.



    My transition is shallow, I'm open at impact with a bent right arm and I've never hit better in my life.

    I've had a huge breakthrough this past couple of months and I thought I'd share the light bulb moments:



    What I've learned is the correct tilts and where the upper and lower body are in relation to each other is the key to freeing up the swing.



    Steps 1-3 happen simultaneously:





    1.) From the top of the backswing I feel external rotation of the left leg and the lead side of the pelvis tilting lower than the right side of the pelvis. As this is happening the lower body will slightly open up.





    2.) I purposely keep my upper body facing towards my right foot while adding front and right bend. This part is HUGE! Remember, this is happening during the first step. So at this point, the lower body is rotating while you keep the upper body back.





    3.) Let the right arm externally rotate. You can sort of feel the club shallowing in reaction to the lower body. Don't add any force to the club.





    4.) This next sequence is difficult to explain: Once my left butt cheek is 'around', or behind me, I'm at P-5....that's when I start rotating the club head to the ball with my body. This is where I actually feel like the swing starts. Make sure the clubhead follows the swing arc and not down the line.





    5.) Try to keep the upper body (shoulders) level with the ground as you're coming into contact. Most people will want to add in more right bend and swing the arms through at this point...don't, just keep turning. You will be surprised at how vertical your shoulders actually are, but they will feel level.



    None of this will work if your backswing isn't setup properly. Also the COM needs to stay behind the body.

    If you're hitting driver, disregard step 5 and instead add right bend and loads of pelvic thrust.




    This is awesome. Have you taken lessons with him of any kind?
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  • NikeGolferTXNikeGolferTX  346WRX Points: 52Members Posts: 346
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    chigolfer1 wrote:



    I've applied the GG pivot.



    My transition is shallow, I'm open at impact with a bent right arm and I've never hit better in my life.

    I've had a huge breakthrough this past couple of months and I thought I'd share the light bulb moments:



    What I've learned is the correct tilts and where the upper and lower body are in relation to each other is the key to freeing up the swing.



    Steps 1-3 happen simultaneously:





    1.) From the top of the backswing I feel external rotation of the left leg and the lead side of the pelvis tilting lower than the right side of the pelvis. As this is happening the lower body will slightly open up.





    2.) I purposely keep my upper body facing towards my right foot while adding front and right bend. This part is HUGE! Remember, this is happening during the first step. So at this point, the lower body is rotating while you keep the upper body back.





    3.) Let the right arm externally rotate. You can sort of feel the club shallowing in reaction to the lower body. Don't add any force to the club.





    4.) This next sequence is difficult to explain: Once my left butt cheek is 'around', or behind me, I'm at P-5....that's when I start rotating the club head to the ball with my body. This is where I actually feel like the swing starts. Make sure the clubhead follows the swing arc and not down the line.





    5.) Try to keep the upper body (shoulders) level with the ground as you're coming into contact. Most people will want to add in more right bend and swing the arms through at this point...don't, just keep turning. You will be surprised at how vertical your shoulders actually are, but they will feel level.



    None of this will work if your backswing isn't setup properly. Also the COM needs to stay behind the body.

    If you're hitting driver, disregard step 5 and instead add right bend and loads of pelvic thrust.




    This is awesome. Have you taken lessons with him of any kind?
    Just online. I had a ggswingtips account where I'd study and he had a Facebook page where I could post my swing and he'd make comments every week.

    I plan on seeing him later this year if possible.



    I've had a lessons with Monte and Dan Whittaker over in the UK as well when I first started playing which really helped me learn the fundamentals.



    All these guys are really good coaches!
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  • MysteryVMysteryV  454WRX Points: 98Members Posts: 454
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    For the folks who've used this method for several months or more, are you feeling any unexpected pains? Tennis elbow? Oddly sore knee? Lead shoulder pain?



    I ask as many of these moves are very athletic, and unusual for many golfers. The automatic shallowing of the trail arm specifically, is similar to the torques from throwing a ball - an activity which I personally used to do quite a bit, but as I've aged, leads to some really odd pains with repetition.
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  • Buckets2Buckets2  2567WRX Points: 287Members Posts: 2,567
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    How do you guys using this method approach shorter shots? At what range do you start using this move? 50 yard pitch....what do you do?
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  • chigolfer1chigolfer1  1217WRX Points: 288Members Posts: 1,217
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    chigolfer1 wrote:



    I've applied the GG pivot.



    My transition is shallow, I'm open at impact with a bent right arm and I've never hit better in my life.

    I've had a huge breakthrough this past couple of months and I thought I'd share the light bulb moments:



    What I've learned is the correct tilts and where the upper and lower body are in relation to each other is the key to freeing up the swing.



    Steps 1-3 happen simultaneously:





    1.) From the top of the backswing I feel external rotation of the left leg and the lead side of the pelvis tilting lower than the right side of the pelvis. As this is happening the lower body will slightly open up.





    2.) I purposely keep my upper body facing towards my right foot while adding front and right bend. This part is HUGE! Remember, this is happening during the first step. So at this point, the lower body is rotating while you keep the upper body back.





    3.) Let the right arm externally rotate. You can sort of feel the club shallowing in reaction to the lower body. Don't add any force to the club.





    4.) This next sequence is difficult to explain: Once my left butt cheek is 'around', or behind me, I'm at P-5....that's when I start rotating the club head to the ball with my body. This is where I actually feel like the swing starts. Make sure the clubhead follows the swing arc and not down the line.





    5.) Try to keep the upper body (shoulders) level with the ground as you're coming into contact. Most people will want to add in more right bend and swing the arms through at this point...don't, just keep turning. You will be surprised at how vertical your shoulders actually are, but they will feel level.



    None of this will work if your backswing isn't setup properly. Also the COM needs to stay behind the body.

    If you're hitting driver, disregard step 5 and instead add right bend and loads of pelvic thrust.




    This is awesome. Have you taken lessons with him of any kind?
    Just online. I had a ggswingtips account where I'd study and he had a Facebook page where I could post my swing and he'd make comments every week.

    I plan on seeing him later this year if possible.



    I've had a lessons with Monte and Dan Whittaker over in the UK as well when I first started playing which really helped me learn the fundamentals.



    All these guys are really good coaches!




    Online definitely counts. I wasn't sure if you were just doing this on your own or had gotten actual feedback from GG. Your description was so specific, I figured it was the latter.
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  • Man_O_WarMan_O_War  3200WRX Points: 402Members Posts: 3,200
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    you will hurt your lower back with this guy's concepts. matter of time
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  • LambLamb London 351WRX Points: 156Members Posts: 351
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    MysteryV wrote:


    For the folks who've used this method for several months or more, are you feeling any unexpected pains? Tennis elbow? Oddly sore knee? Lead shoulder pain?



    I ask as many of these moves are very athletic, and unusual for many golfers. The automatic shallowing of the trail arm specifically, is similar to the torques from throwing a ball - an activity which I personally used to do quite a bit, but as I've aged, leads to some really odd pains with repetition.




    Well long term expect complications with your MCL and LCL left knee. The best swing is the one that gives you body the least amount of damage. Of course not everyone wants to play golf into their retirement so it's subjective.
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  •  Dave D Dave D  4032WRX Points: 189Members Posts: 4,032
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    Man_O_War wrote:


    you will hurt your lower back with this guy's concepts. matter of time




    thought this was a George Gankas thread not a Sean Foley thread
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  • melly9melly9  29WRX Points: 1Members Posts: 29
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    Man_O_War wrote:


    you will hurt your lower back with this guy's concepts. matter of time




    I’ve experienced the exact opposite
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    Man_O_War wrote:


    you will hurt your lower back with this guy's concepts. matter of time




    Why do you think this?
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    Jsp3316 wrote:


    What is the best feel to get crossed at the top and steep going back?




    Trail shoulder has to be internally rotated. Try and get the trail arm's humerus parallel to the ground and the forearm parallel to your spine at the top of the swing.













    RH
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  • RichieHuntRichieHunt  3888WRX Points: 538Members Posts: 3,888
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    MysteryV wrote:


    For the folks who've used this method for several months or more, are you feeling any unexpected pains? Tennis elbow? Oddly sore knee? Lead shoulder pain?



    I ask as many of these moves are very athletic, and unusual for many golfers. The automatic shallowing of the trail arm specifically, is similar to the torques from throwing a ball - an activity which I personally used to do quite a bit, but as I've aged, leads to some really odd pains with repetition.




    I haven't. I usually wear a compression sleeve, but that was from tendonitis in my shoulder that I had before starting to work with GG.



    I believe most golfers could do his pivot if they worked at it. They might not have the same type of range of motion as say Matthew Wolffe, but they can pull it off. Physically, I think the biggest limitation would probably be in the hamstrings. If they are very tight, it can be more difficult to rotate the pelvis and the hips.













    RH
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  • chigolfer1chigolfer1  1217WRX Points: 288Members Posts: 1,217
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    chigolfer1 wrote:

    Man_O_War wrote:


    you will hurt your lower back with this guy's concepts. matter of time




    Why do you think this?




    Still wondering
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    chigolfer1 wrote:

    chigolfer1 wrote:

    Man_O_War wrote:


    you will hurt your lower back with this guy's concepts. matter of time




    Why do you think this?




    Still wondering




    +1
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    Matt Wolff at OSU makes it work but GG's move takes a ton of practice and repetition to master. Johnny Ruiz is super talented and he's struggled on the Web.com tour last year.
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  • lopey986lopey986  2329WRX Points: 349ClubWRX Posts: 2,329
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    Zitlow wrote:


    Matt Wolff at OSU makes it work but GG's move takes a ton of practice and repetition to master. Johnny Ruiz is super talented and he's struggled on the Web.com tour last year.




    those are the extreme examples of a GG golf swing though. the guy is pretty flexible when it comes to working with all kinds of people but there are certinaly a few things he firmly believes help you hit the ball well. hard to read things like the article and not appreciate what he brings to the game.



    https://www.golf.com/the-knockdown/2018/10/10/george-gankas-hottest-oddest-instagram-swing-coach-golf/
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  • Krt22Krt22 East Bay 8271WRX Points: 2,040Members Posts: 8,271
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    Zitlow wrote:


    Matt Wolff at OSU makes it work but GG's move takes a ton of practice and repetition to master. Johnny Ruiz is super talented and he's struggled on the Web.com tour last year.




    You don't need to get that gucci to get schoosie.
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    Krt22 wrote:

    Zitlow wrote:


    Matt Wolff at OSU makes it work but GG's move takes a ton of practice and repetition to master. Johnny Ruiz is super talented and he's struggled on the Web.com tour last year.




    You don't need to get that gucci to get schoosie.


    "True that, "G"!!!" zero-6.jpg
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