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  • Hawkeye77Hawkeye77 Countdown to The Open Championship! IowaClubWRX Posts: 18,283 ClubWRX
    pga43 wrote:

    Jasonic wrote:


    Any PGA champ course.



    St. Andrews is awesome, totally different style of golf. Can't judge until you've played it. But that's just my opinion image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />




    If St Andrews was in the middle of Iowa, they'd be lucky to get $7 for greens fees because of the course conditions. IMO





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  • meldelagetmeldelaget Members Posts: 227
    Baltusrol..... Extremely boring course compared to many of the other major courses.
  • PGAroxPGArox Members Posts: 10,288 ✭✭
    meldelaget wrote:


    Baltusrol..... Extremely boring course compared to many of the other major courses.




    Agree. And you can put Oak Hill right up there, too.
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    edited Sep 3, 2016 #35
    Oakmont CC......



    Top-5 in the country????



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    So if I understand your definition of an overrated course, and correct me if I am wrong, it would be a course that today's players can overpower with low scores. Does that mean that Pebble Beach is overrated, because Tiger sure had his way with it during a major. Just my personal opinion, I find Bethpage Black greatly overrated. Is it a great public course for being in NYC? Sure it is. But my experience playing it was that its just long and has brutal rough and I would be fine never playing it again. New Yorkers- I look forward to your hate mail. LOL!




    Sounds like OP just didn't like Whistling Straights on his recent trip and wanted to start a "general" thread about overrated major venues...



    I could be wrong though.


    Never played there. I just see through the deal it gets majors simply to drive golf tourist traffic to the site. It's all about money and was never about the course as a deserving venue
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    JD3 wrote:




    So if I understand your definition of an overrated course, and correct me if I am wrong, it would be a course that today's players can overpower with low scores. Does that mean that Pebble Beach is overrated, because Tiger sure had his way with it during a major. Just my personal opinion, I find Bethpage Black greatly overrated. Is it a great public course for being in NYC? Sure it is. But my experience playing it was that its just long and has brutal rough and I would be fine never playing it again. New Yorkers- I look forward to your hate mail. LOL!




    Sounds like OP just didn't like Whistling Straights on his recent trip and wanted to start a "general" thread about overrated major venues...



    I could be wrong though.


    Never played there. I just see through the deal it gets majors simply to drive golf tourist traffic to the site. It's all about money and was never about the course as a deserving venue




    Everything is about money lol



    You don't get 100's of people to pay $300 a round everyday with an undeserving layout...



    If you haven't played there how can criticize anyways? You have zero leg to stand on.
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    Oakmont CC......



    Top-5 in the country????



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    Some of these guys are out of their minds...



    Augusta National is sooooo overrated too I bet
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  • BMCBMC Members Posts: 3,649 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Pinehurst #2. Ho hum. Basically looks like 30 other NC courses in the pines. Crowned greens make it tough, but other than that, not so special. Yes, I've played it a few times. The resort is great, though.
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  • aceofclubsaceofclubs Members Posts: 843 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Personally i remember major courses based more on looks than who won with what score. Alot of courses look similar on TV. Whistling Straights looks tough as balls and just incredible views. I look forward to watching any event played there.
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  • 360_CS360_CS Members Posts: 4,257 ✭✭
    edited Sep 3, 2016 #41
    aceofclubs wrote:


    Personally i remember major courses based more on looks than who won with what score. Alot of courses look similar on TV. Whistling Straights looks tough as balls and just incredible views. I look forward to watching any event played there.




    Agree.



    And Whistling Straits does look amazing.
  • Petunia SprinklePetunia Sprinkle Future King of France Unregistered Posts: 5,362 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    JD3 wrote:

    starsail85 wrote:


    St Andrews ... Although they seem to have a good tournament every time


    Well you cant argue with its history , the players usually end up embracing it, and it's never given up -20 like whistling straits.




    It should be preserved in a museum.
  • carn9698carn9698 carn9698 Members Posts: 3,255
    edited Sep 4, 2016 #43
    PGArox wrote:
    They're all pitch 'n' putts.
    i would love to watch you pitch and putt it around Carnoustie in the wind.
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  • carn9698carn9698 carn9698 Members Posts: 3,255
    Jasonic wrote:
    Bingo1976 wrote:

    Jasonic wrote:


    Any PGA champ course.



    St. Andrews is awesome, totally different style of golf. Can't judge until you've played it. But that's just my opinion image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />




    I've played it. Not a patch on Carnoustie or Royal St Georges in my opinion. But in its defence, I think you need to play it a few times to get used to some of the holes.




    That's why it's great.



    Agree with Carnoustie, that's my favorite course I've ever played. So tough but fair, great layout.
    there are no bail out shots there. You have to button everything straight and not 3 putt. Too difficult for anyone in double figures.
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  • lchanglchang Members Posts: 612 ✭✭✭✭✭
    cdnglf wrote:
    Harding Park, easily. Totally unremarkable muni.




    I believe Harding has never hosted a major.



    I think somewhat overrated are Torrey Pines, Baltusrol and Merion.
  • edresnickedresnick FranktheHeadcover Members Posts: 169


    So if I understand your definition of an overrated course, and correct me if I am wrong, it would be a course that today's players can overpower with low scores. Does that mean that Pebble Beach is overrated, because Tiger sure had his way with it during a major. Just my personal opinion, I find Bethpage Black greatly overrated. Is it a great public course for being in NYC? Sure it is. But my experience playing it was that its just long and has brutal rough and I would be fine never playing it again. New Yorkers- I look forward to your hate mail. LOL!




    Bostonian here that doesn't typically like to give love to NYC, but Bethpage is an awesome course.
  • JD3JD3 Members Posts: 4,821 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Sep 3, 2016 #47
    edresnick wrote:



    So if I understand your definition of an overrated course, and correct me if I am wrong, it would be a course that today's players can overpower with low scores. Does that mean that Pebble Beach is overrated, because Tiger sure had his way with it during a major. Just my personal opinion, I find Bethpage Black greatly overrated. Is it a great public course for being in NYC? Sure it is. But my experience playing it was that its just long and has brutal rough and I would be fine never playing it again. New Yorkers- I look forward to your hate mail. LOL!




    Bostonian here that doesn't typically like to give love to NYC, but Bethpage is an awesome course.


    Agree , it's a great, fair, tough test that will identify whos playing best that week
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  • timmy8151timmy8151 Members Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    lchang wrote:

    cdnglf wrote:
    Harding Park, easily. Totally unremarkable muni.




    I believe Harding has never hosted a major.



    I think somewhat overrated are Torrey Pines, Baltusrol and Merion.


    It's getting the PGA in 2020.



    From what it used to be to now the course is a lot better. It does get a ton of play and the greens are so-so. However as a SF resident I play for a heavily discounted rate so I can't really complain
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    timmy8151 wrote:
    lchang wrote:

    cdnglf wrote:
    Harding Park, easily. Totally unremarkable muni.




    I believe Harding has never hosted a major.



    I think somewhat overrated are Torrey Pines, Baltusrol and Merion.


    It's getting the PGA in 2020.



    From what it used to be to now the course is a lot better. It does get a ton of play and the greens are so-so. However as a SF resident I play for a heavily discounted rate so I can't really complain




    Oh. I'm not sure why I didn't know that, since I live in the Bay Area. Well then, while I kind of like Harding, I guess I'll mostly agree with cdngolf. It doesn't really seem major-worthy!
  • mjtoalmjtoal Members Posts: 974 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Sep 4, 2016 #50
    pga43 wrote:

    starsail85 wrote:

    pga43 wrote:

    Jasonic wrote:


    Any PGA champ course.



    St. Andrews is awesome, totally different style of golf. Can't judge until you've played it. But that's just my opinion image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />




    If St Andrews was in the middle of Iowa, they'd be lucky to get $7 for greens fees because of the course conditions. IMO





    Greg




    Can't quite read your tone but that sounds like an incredibly ignorant comment . Explain to me how you think the old course is in poor condition ?




    I walked all 18 holes the Sunday before the Scottish Open (the course was closed so I walked it and took photos of each hole) and there was at least 100+ divots per every fairway and the greens were in really bad shape. Lots of bare ground in play. It looked very much like a very abused muni. So the fact that I was there recently, walked the course and have been in the golf business for 48 years (34 as a PGA Golf professional), I think it was based on eye witnessed fact and not so much an "incredibly ignorant comment".



    But I did say it was my opinion. The first time Sam Snead saw St Andrews he said "we would't even grow cow beets on land that looked like this place"





    Greg




    Unlike most of the courses used for US majors, TOC is not preserved for the over privileged and wealthy. It gets a lot of play, except on Sundays and some of the collection areas for drives get a lot of wear. But when hosting The Open, it is brought to peak condition and always provides a great test, the exact nature of which depends on the weather, as is the norm for links courses.



    Fans of one dimensional brain-dead verdant green with lush grass courses such as those which used to host the US Open in the 80s and 90s should look elsewhere, but people who enjoy a unique and changing challenge will love it.



    In 1946 when Snead saw it from the train, it was right after the war when many public facilities had been let go a bit or a lot (Turnberry turned into a RAF base), and he would never have seen anything like it before, so had no frame of reference to judge it. Bobby Jones hated it at first but then learnt to appreciate its challenge. Jack Nicklaus and Tiger Woods also quite like it.



    Horses for courses, I guess.
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  • knock it closeknock it close Members Posts: 7,947 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭



    Oakmont CC......



    Top-5 in the country????



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    Some of these guys are out of their minds...



    Augusta National is sooooo overrated too I bet
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    Congressional. When Rory won the US Open there it was set up like a season opener on the Champions Tour.




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  • jayman2982jayman2982 Members Posts: 385 ✭✭✭✭
    The Ocean Course on Kiawah. Used to work there and played it plenty of times. You can't even see the ocean till 14 when you turn back in and it to me is just blah; especially since Cassique is right there and a much better course and layout.
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    So if I understand your definition of an overrated course, and correct me if I am wrong, it would be a course that today's players can overpower with low scores. Does that mean that Pebble Beach is overrated, because Tiger sure had his way with it during a major. Just my personal opinion, I find Bethpage Black greatly overrated. Is it a great public course for being in NYC? Sure it is. But my experience playing it was that its just long and has brutal rough and I would be fine never playing it again. New Yorkers- I look forward to your hate mail. LOL!
    Ernie Els was +3 at Pebble Beach.... and he finished in 2nd place. The course held up quite well except for 1 guy. Maybe it was the guy was really good and the course wasn't that easy. Every other professional who tee'd it up that week didn't break par. I wouldn't use the word "overpower" to describe what the field did at Pebble Beach.
  • whrwhr Members Posts: 773
    micha wrote:


    Baltusrol was pretty dull this year. Too much lush rough makes all the holes looks the same.




    +1



    Baltusrol golf club may have been the most boring course I've ever seen.
  • widow-makerwidow-maker Members Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    One of the things about the older courses like Oakmont, Baltusrol, Oakland Hills, Merion, is that the architect took the land that was given to them and built the golf course with a minimal amount of dirt moved. They didn't have the kind of equipment that Pete Dye had. So, you had a lot of parkland style golf courses where they built courses with smaller greens and laid out so that you could walk them. You don't have the manmade artificial disasters awaiting you. TPC's island green is spectacular looking at first glance, but there's nothing natural about that hole.



    The older courses have character but you have to look at the nuances and what the architects did with the equipment they had at the time. The newer courses can be visually stunning but they sometimes come off as looking artificial. I like the older style courses more because they fit my eye better. A perfect example of two courses in the same area but done differently are Arcadia Bluffs and Crystal Downs. They moved a ton of earth at Arcadia Bluffs and some of the visuals are just outstanding. Lots of manufactured carries into the greens, bunkers implanted, no roll ups into the greens. They created landing zones and you play station to station. It's well worth the price to play there. What Perry Maxwell and Alistair MacKenzie did at Crystal Downs was nothing short of brilliant. They designed the course to the lay of the land and the green complexes are possibly the finest I've ever seen. Two totally different styles of golf course, but one looks totally natural and the other looks like it was pieced together... which it was. To me, Arcadia Bluffs is close to a top 100 course, but Crystal Downs is a top 10 all timer. To each his own, I guess.
  • USAF Retired E7USAF Retired E7 Finnish American Members Posts: 305 ✭✭
    JD3 wrote:


    JD3 wrote:

    starsail85 wrote:


    St Andrews ... Although they seem to have a good tournament every time


    Well you cant argue with its history , the players usually end up embracing it, and it's never given up -20 like whistling straits.
    I mean Tiger was -19 there in 2000, Spieth was -18 at ANGC, does that make it a poor course too?


    Well they also play that course every year. Its been analyzed inside and out, and there a lot more opportunities to shoot low scores. Whistling straits it took them just 2 tries to pulverize it




    you do realize the wind didn't blow at Whistling straits.
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    starsail85 wrote:
    St Andrews ... Although they seem to have a good tournament every time




    Have you ever played St. Andrews?
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  • Arizonalefty59Arizonalefty59 Members Posts: 7,416 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I love the course and it is one of my favorites but I still think that Torrey Pines is by far the most overrated US Open venue and it's not even close. Not even in the ballpark of some of the courses already mentioned.
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  • KrazyTrain18KrazyTrain18 Members Posts: 3,223 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    St. Andrews for me, I mean I get the history aspect but its a pretty boring course.
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