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Tour AD-GP or Tour AD-TP??

GoPios25GoPios25 Advanced Members Posts: 134 ✭✭
I am pre-ordering the new Cobra F7+ and and wondering your guys' thoughts on these two shafts. I have an M1 430 right now with a Speeder 661 2.0 Tour Spec X and get fairly decent numbers. Anybody compared the GP and TP head to head?
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  • roadtrippin4550roadtrippin4550 Advanced Members Posts: 201
    I am going to be doing just that on Saturday. Unfortunately, it will not be on a launch monitor so I won't have any numbers for you but I will let you know how it goes.



    What I have heard from a buddy out in CA is that the TP is the DI on steroids. Still launches about the same but with noticeably less spin.
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  • GoPios25GoPios25 Advanced Members Posts: 134 ✭✭
    That's what I've heard too. I've been trying to get my hands on the two to compare. Hopefully I can soon
  • Gtyler14Gtyler14 Advanced Members Posts: 624 ✭✭
    edited December 2016
    I was wondering about the TP myself and how it compared to the DI. I've played the DI in the past and use a KK silver tini and I was going to test a few different shafts and considered the TP. Post your thoughts about it when you get a chance to test it.
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  • jackbauerjackbauer Russian prisonAdvanced Members Posts: 279 ✭✭
    I've hit the GP on the range (about 30-35 swings) and found it to be extremely boardy. The GP is an update to the BB (which I have in my driver) just as the TP is an update to the DI (which I have in my 3-wood and 5-wood), so I would expect different launch results. I like the ones I have but wasn't at all a fan of the GP.
  • Bomber_11Bomber_11 Enjoy the Chase. ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 3,523 ClubWRX
    I ordered an M2 driver and 3-wood with the AD GP in them. I wasn't at all pleased with the performance. Yes they were long, but no longer than my other shafts. For me, and my swing, the AD BB in driver and AD DI in 3-wood is the best setup.



    The GP was the least-smooth feeling Graphite Design I've ever swung. I've demoed AD DI, AD BB, AD GP, AD DJ, AD MT - I would compare AD GP closer to an Ozik Red Tie than to a Graphite Design.



    If you order a flex softer, it may feel better. But at 115 swing speed I hit the AD GP 6X and wasn't impressed.
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  • Judge440Judge440 Titleist will always have my heart. ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 2,060 ClubWRX
    Bomber_11 wrote:


    I ordered an M2 driver and 3-wood with the AD GP in them. I wasn't at all pleased with the performance. Yes they were long, but no longer than my other shafts. For me, and my swing, the AD BB in driver and AD DI in 3-wood is the best setup.



    The GP was the least-smooth feeling Graphite Design I've ever swung. I've demoed AD DI, AD BB, AD GP, AD DJ, AD MT - I would compare AD GP closer to an Ozik Red Tie than to a Graphite Design.



    If you order a flex softer, it may feel better. But at 115 swing speed I hit the AD GP 6X and wasn't impressed.




    So the BB feels much better than the GP for you? What was the difference in flight/spin for you?
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  • Bomber_11Bomber_11 Enjoy the Chase. ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 3,523 ClubWRX
    Judge440 wrote:

    Bomber_11 wrote:


    I ordered an M2 driver and 3-wood with the AD GP in them. I wasn't at all pleased with the performance. Yes they were long, but no longer than my other shafts. For me, and my swing, the AD BB in driver and AD DI in 3-wood is the best setup.



    The GP was the least-smooth feeling Graphite Design I've ever swung. I've demoed AD DI, AD BB, AD GP, AD DJ, AD MT - I would compare AD GP closer to an Ozik Red Tie than to a Graphite Design.



    If you order a flex softer, it may feel better. But at 115 swing speed I hit the AD GP 6X and wasn't impressed.




    So the BB feels much better than the GP for you? What was the difference in flight/spin for you?




    Yes the BB in a 6X felt much better than the GP in a 6X.



    The BB launches lower, and had similar spin #'s to the GP (2200-2500 w/ my M2).



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  • lthelwpnlthelwpn Advanced Members Posts: 170
    I have the AD TP in my M2, it is exactly what it says. I am getting the high launch with( Kiyoshi black) kind of spin. I actually can't spin it enough. I have a + angle of attack and I am not getting it to spin enough. It's the AD TP 7S.

  • GoPios25GoPios25 Advanced Members Posts: 134 ✭✭
    Finally got a chance to hit the GP today. It was the 6TX model. It felt pretty good but I like the DI better so I'm hoping that since the TP is a replacement to the DI that it'll feel similar if not better
  • GMR2ironGMR2iron Advanced Members Posts: 1,503 ✭✭
    For you guys that have hit all these GD shafts, how does the Matrix Black Tie compare to the BB, GP, and TP? I like the low launch/low spin boardy shafts, just curious as to which GD shaft plays similar to a Black Tie....
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  • Bomber_11Bomber_11 Enjoy the Chase. ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 3,523 ClubWRX
    edited December 2016
    GMR2iron wrote:


    For you guys that have hit all these GD shafts, how does the Matrix Black Tie compare to the BB, GP, and TP? I like the low launch/low spin boardy shafts, just curious as to which GD shaft plays similar to a Black Tie....




    The BB feels much less boardy than the Black Tie - I'd rank the BB as the smoothest stout shaft I've ever hit. It'll launch a little higher than Black Tie, with similar (possibly a little higher) spin.



    The GP feels a lot like the Black Tie - but it will launch higher (similar spin #'s). Never do any tipping on a GP - the stiffest part of the GP is the tip section - so by tipping it you're actually softening the shaft and making it perform poorly.



    The TP feels a lot smoother than BB, GP, or Black Tie - and will launch slightly higher than the GP w/ less spin.



    If you like low launch + low spin + boardy I don't know that Graphite Design is the place to look. You need to be putting Project X Hzrdus into consideration. Especially Hzrdus Black.
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  • jackbauerjackbauer Russian prisonAdvanced Members Posts: 279 ✭✭
    GMR2iron wrote:


    For you guys that have hit all these GD shafts, how does the Matrix Black Tie compare to the BB, GP, and TP? I like the low launch/low spin boardy shafts, just curious as to which GD shaft plays similar to a Black Tie....




    I agree with Bomber_11 except for the last point. To me, low launch/low spin/boardy describes the GP perfectly.
  • Roadking_6Roadking_6 Advanced Members Posts: 2,480 ✭✭
    jackbauer wrote:

    GMR2iron wrote:


    For you guys that have hit all these GD shafts, how does the Matrix Black Tie compare to the BB, GP, and TP? I like the low launch/low spin boardy shafts, just curious as to which GD shaft plays similar to a Black Tie....




    I agree with Bomber_11 except for the last point. To me, low launch/low spin/boardy describes the GP perfectly.


    Disagree. To me, Low Spin, Mid Low launch, silky smooth feel is a perfect description. I hated the AD BB and think the GP feels 100x better.

    GP is one of the best shafts on the market for my swing and taste.
  • markheardjrmarkheardjr Member 141..Oh yeah...Snap to youngin! Advanced Members Posts: 7,282
    Bomber_11 wrote:

    GMR2iron wrote:


    For you guys that have hit all these GD shafts, how does the Matrix Black Tie compare to the BB, GP, and TP? I like the low launch/low spin boardy shafts, just curious as to which GD shaft plays similar to a Black Tie....




    The BB feels much less boardy than the Black Tie - I'd rank the BB as the smoothest stout shaft I've ever hit. It'll launch a little higher than Black Tie, with similar (possibly a little higher) spin.



    The GP feels a lot like the Black Tie - but it will launch higher (similar spin #'s). Never do any tipping on a GP - the stiffest part of the GP is the tip section - so by tipping it you're actually softening the shaft and making it perform poorly.



    The TP feels a lot smoother than BB, GP, or Black Tie - and will launch slightly higher than the GP w/ less spin.



    If you like low launch + low spin + boardy I don't know that Graphite Design is the place to look. You need to be putting Project X Hzrdus into consideration. Especially Hzrdus Black.




    The BB is a wet noodle and dispersion was all over the place and is no where near what I would label a "stout" shaft. It is not made for hitters or late release guys. Black tie is and GP is. GP has a softer butt and firmer tip and actually delivers low launch and low spin. BB is mid and is ok for guys with a big sweep and high positive AoA, like +3° or more. GP really is much lower launch IMO. IMO the new MFS Black Tie, the 60M4 or whatever it is, is closer to a GP. The old original 7M3 black tie is a stout beast. The new one is smoother. (These are similar to DG profiles or the Modus Tour120 iron shaft, softer butt, stiff middle and stiff tip.) These shafts feel smooth in the transition with a soft butt section while you start the downswing, but you get a stiffer boardy feel at impact with more vibration.



    GD has made a lot of softer shafts since the Di was all the rage. They have made their fair share of scary monsters in the past for the bombers. Throttle, PM702/902, p9003, M9003, Z9003 (So stout they stopped making it as soon as they started.) YSQst, etc etc. They make strong shafts.





    The TP is butt and mid firm and tip is softer with the rapid decrease in diameter. (This is similar to the KBS Tour V or the Modus Tour130 iron shaft.) What you get is a firmer shaft with a softer feel at impact. Overall the shaft is actually decently stiff, its the soft tip that makes it feel softer at impact. High launch from the softer tip yet overall stiffness helps the golfer deliver the club to achieve a lower spin condition.
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  • noodle3872noodle3872 Chilliwack B.C. CanadaAdvanced Members Posts: 2,555 ✭✭
    I would be trying the Tensei Pro line from MRC. The Blue is mid launch and the White is low launch. Both feel amazing!
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  • Judge440Judge440 Titleist will always have my heart. ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 2,060 ClubWRX
    Thinking of giving AD-TP a go in driver and AD-DI in fairway and maybe Tensei Blue Pro's as well. I have GP's, Fuji Pro Tour Specs, Speeder Evo2's...looking for happy medium/balance.
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  • JiBlancJiBlanc Members Posts: 58
    Can't speak on the TP unfortunately because I have never hit it. As far as the GP goes I absolutely love mine. I have the Dustin Johnson shaft as well (661 2.0 Tour Spec X) and tried it on the range 1 or 2 times and preferred the feel of the AD-GP much more. The 661 shaft felt boardier to me then the GP. I play the AD-DI in my 3 wood and am very happy with it's performance. If the TP is an upgraded version of the DI then I don't think you can go wrong with either the TP or the GP. GP's flight will be lower swing for swing but I have no problem launching the GP when needed. Good luck!
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  • coopizzezcoopizzez Advanced Members Posts: 208
    I've hit both the GP and TP. I've always thought the DI played soft and never liked it in a driver. I've tried the GP 6x plus and 7x in a driver. Stout, boardy, but I liked it. I've hit the TP in 6x, 7x in the driver. Much, much better feel than the GP, similar spin, not soft like the DI. I have the TP 8x in 917 3 and 5 woods. Unreal. Ballspeed, feel, performance are awesome. Trying the TP 7 TX next week...
  • coopizzezcoopizzez Advanced Members Posts: 208
    noodle3872 wrote:
    I would be trying the Tensei Pro line from MRC. The Blue is mid launch and the White is low launch. Both feel amazing!




    In my 917 5 wood, the TP 8x had more ball speed for me. Up against tensei pro blue 80tx..same tipping, same length. I was surprised by that...both awesome shafts, but the TP was better for me.
  • dpb5031dpb5031 Advanced Members Posts: 4,935 ✭✭
    Are you guys tipping the TP to stiffen slightly, or is that a no-no like with the GP?
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  • mackepamackepa #TheWRX Advanced Members Posts: 3,574 ✭✭
    dpb5031 wrote:


    Are you guys tipping the TP to stiffen slightly, or is that a no-no like with the GP?




    I was fit at the ECPC into The TP and my fitter tipped it an inch. So far I really like the feel of this shaft. I'm not 100% sure why I like it so much but to me it just feels stable. It feels like it kicks the same whether I go after one or if i bunt one to keep it in play.
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  • Hookasaurus RexHookasaurus Rex Purveyor of fine turf Advanced Members Posts: 1,050 ✭✭
    mackepa wrote:

    dpb5031 wrote:


    Are you guys tipping the TP to stiffen slightly, or is that a no-no like with the GP?




    I was fit at the ECPC into The TP and my fitter tipped it an inch. So far I really like the feel of this shaft. I'm not 100% sure why I like it so much but to me it just feels stable. It feels like it kicks the same whether I go after one or if i bunt one to keep it in play.




    What's your SS with the Driver? I'm looking at getting a TP, generally 104-108 and looking at the TP 7S, TP7S tipped, or TP 7X. Thanks.
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  • Peanut191Peanut191 Advanced Members Posts: 1,856 ✭✭

    Bomber_11 wrote:

    GMR2iron wrote:


    For you guys that have hit all these GD shafts, how does the Matrix Black Tie compare to the BB, GP, and TP? I like the low launch/low spin boardy shafts, just curious as to which GD shaft plays similar to a Black Tie....




    The BB feels much less boardy than the Black Tie - I'd rank the BB as the smoothest stout shaft I've ever hit. It'll launch a little higher than Black Tie, with similar (possibly a little higher) spin.



    The GP feels a lot like the Black Tie - but it will launch higher (similar spin #'s). Never do any tipping on a GP - the stiffest part of the GP is the tip section - so by tipping it you're actually softening the shaft and making it perform poorly.



    The TP feels a lot smoother than BB, GP, or Black Tie - and will launch slightly higher than the GP w/ less spin.



    If you like low launch + low spin + boardy I don't know that Graphite Design is the place to look. You need to be putting Project X Hzrdus into consideration. Especially Hzrdus Black.




    The BB is a wet noodle and dispersion was all over the place and is no where near what I would label a "stout" shaft. It is not made for hitters or late release guys. Black tie is and GP is. GP has a softer butt and firmer tip and actually delivers low launch and low spin. BB is mid and is ok for guys with a big sweep and high positive AoA, like +3° or more. GP really is much lower launch IMO. IMO the new MFS Black Tie, the 60M4 or whatever it is, is closer to a GP. The old original 7M3 black tie is a stout beast. The new one is smoother. (These are similar to DG profiles or the Modus Tour120 iron shaft, softer butt, stiff middle and stiff tip.) These shafts feel smooth in the transition with a soft butt section while you start the downswing, but you get a stiffer boardy feel at impact with more vibration.



    GD has made a lot of softer shafts since the Di was all the rage. They have made their fair share of scary monsters in the past for the bombers. Throttle, PM702/902, p9003, M9003, Z9003 (So stout they stopped making it as soon as they started.) YSQst, etc etc. They make strong shafts.





    The TP is butt and mid firm and tip is softer with the rapid decrease in diameter. (This is similar to the KBS Tour V or the Modus Tour130 iron shaft.) What you get is a firmer shaft with a softer feel at impact. Overall the shaft is actually decently stiff, its the soft tip that makes it feel softer at impact. High launch from the softer tip yet overall stiffness helps the golfer deliver the club to achieve a lower spin condition.




    I thought the TP was firm butt and mid, but stiff tip?
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  • mackepamackepa #TheWRX Advanced Members Posts: 3,574 ✭✭

    mackepa wrote:

    dpb5031 wrote:


    Are you guys tipping the TP to stiffen slightly, or is that a no-no like with the GP?




    I was fit at the ECPC into The TP and my fitter tipped it an inch. So far I really like the feel of this shaft. I'm not 100% sure why I like it so much but to me it just feels stable. It feels like it kicks the same whether I go after one or if i bunt one to keep it in play.




    What's your SS with the Driver? I'm looking at getting a TP, generally 104-108 and looking at the TP 7S, TP7S tipped, or TP 7X. Thanks.
    I'm about 107mph. My fitter said I could handle the X but wanted me to do Stiff tipped 1" because I preferred to feel a shaft kick a bit.
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  • CircleC29CircleC29 Eat,Drink,Golf,Repeat... Advanced Members Posts: 751 ✭✭
    Peanut191 wrote:


    Bomber_11 wrote:

    GMR2iron wrote:


    For you guys that have hit all these GD shafts, how does the Matrix Black Tie compare to the BB, GP, and TP? I like the low launch/low spin boardy shafts, just curious as to which GD shaft plays similar to a Black Tie....




    The BB feels much less boardy than the Black Tie - I'd rank the BB as the smoothest stout shaft I've ever hit. It'll launch a little higher than Black Tie, with similar (possibly a little higher) spin.



    The GP feels a lot like the Black Tie - but it will launch higher (similar spin #'s). Never do any tipping on a GP - the stiffest part of the GP is the tip section - so by tipping it you're actually softening the shaft and making it perform poorly.



    The TP feels a lot smoother than BB, GP, or Black Tie - and will launch slightly higher than the GP w/ less spin.



    If you like low launch + low spin + boardy I don't know that Graphite Design is the place to look. You need to be putting Project X Hzrdus into consideration. Especially Hzrdus Black.




    The BB is a wet noodle and dispersion was all over the place and is no where near what I would label a "stout" shaft. It is not made for hitters or late release guys. Black tie is and GP is. GP has a softer butt and firmer tip and actually delivers low launch and low spin. BB is mid and is ok for guys with a big sweep and high positive AoA, like +3° or more. GP really is much lower launch IMO. IMO the new MFS Black Tie, the 60M4 or whatever it is, is closer to a GP. The old original 7M3 black tie is a stout beast. The new one is smoother. (These are similar to DG profiles or the Modus Tour120 iron shaft, softer butt, stiff middle and stiff tip.) These shafts feel smooth in the transition with a soft butt section while you start the downswing, but you get a stiffer boardy feel at impact with more vibration.



    GD has made a lot of softer shafts since the Di was all the rage. They have made their fair share of scary monsters in the past for the bombers. Throttle, PM702/902, p9003, M9003, Z9003 (So stout they stopped making it as soon as they started.) YSQst, etc etc. They make strong shafts.





    The TP is butt and mid firm and tip is softer with the rapid decrease in diameter. (This is similar to the KBS Tour V or the Modus Tour130 iron shaft.) What you get is a firmer shaft with a softer feel at impact. Overall the shaft is actually decently stiff, its the soft tip that makes it feel softer at impact. High launch from the softer tip yet overall stiffness helps the golfer deliver the club to achieve a lower spin condition.




    I thought the TP was firm butt and mid, but stiff tip?






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  • dpb5031dpb5031 Advanced Members Posts: 4,935 ✭✭
    mackepa wrote:


    mackepa wrote:

    dpb5031 wrote:


    Are you guys tipping the TP to stiffen slightly, or is that a no-no like with the GP?




    I was fit at the ECPC into The TP and my fitter tipped it an inch. So far I really like the feel of this shaft. I'm not 100% sure why I like it so much but to me it just feels stable. It feels like it kicks the same whether I go after one or if i bunt one to keep it in play.




    What's your SS with the Driver? I'm looking at getting a TP, generally 104-108 and looking at the TP 7S, TP7S tipped, or TP 7X. Thanks.
    I'm about 107mph. My fitter said I could handle the X but wanted me to do Stiff tipped 1" because I preferred to feel a shaft kick a bit.


    Practically identical to my scenario. I'm 105-107 ss with a moderate transition/sweeping type load. I like to be able to feel the shaft load and kick, but also want stability through impact.



    Funny thing is I've played shafts of all different profiles, from x flex boardy profiles in bore thru driver heads (when drivers and balls were more spinny), to pretty flexible lightweights (Myazaki). Somehow I seem to adapt my swing to make any of them work reasonably well as long as the head loft matches the shaft profile to produce a desirable trajectory.
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  • 3woodvt3woodvt 5 test drives for clubface contact. #footpowder Advanced Members Posts: 1,628
    edited January 2017
    Hit the AD GP 7X today and liked immediately. Increased launch and decreased spin (about 200-300 avg). Beat my Tour65X by about 6-7 yards on avg. Dispersion better too. Fitter told me the X or S mattered little as I needed the frequency around 6.4 as I'm perfect for KBS120TourS irons at 6.0. Going to frequency test the X and S in the 75g versions to find the perfect shaft to fit me and for me to pay no attention to the S or X rating as we dialed it in to this exact measurement. Great experience getting fitted for a driver shaft first time. The downside is the price. Also hit this against the EPIC subzero 9* with Fuji and another stiff shaft (don't remember the ones) and the AD GP Ping LS 9* combo beat it for me by about 15 yards and much straiter on an average. Ball speeds at 160 Launch 16 and carry was 275 avg (best 282 carry). Ping TourX65 was similar with carry around 268 and 158-159 ball speeds, EPIC zero was in the mid 260's and high 150's ball speed (but I've never been able to get along with a Callaway Driver as I just don't ever get along with them (could of been the shafts too I suppose). Picking up tomorrow and looking forward to working it in on the course later. I personally thought the 65X Tour shaft was much stouter and stiffer than the AD GP when just bobbling it around and swinging but the numbers don't lie and the feel of the AD GP was far superior in loading and releasing for me.. Good luck. SS was 105 low to 110 high avg around 108.

    Also going to go from 45" finished length to 44 3/4. Changed port weight on G LS after I had added about 6g of HM and playing D7 to get down to around D5. Justin at Continental Golf did my fitting and was exceptional with his 16 years experience. If you're in the Raleigh NC area I highly recommend these guys. Spent over an hour with me and gave me a tour of the custom finishing department and everything they do. All the guys inside came out and met me, introduced themselves and made me feel at home. A very pleasant experience and I don't mind giving them my money as they are very customer service oriented. First Class++



    PS. We also tried the older GD DI in 7X and it was a total failure for me as it just didn't fit my swing. Glad I did the fitting and didn't chase shafts by guessing like I did in the past. Justin commented that the DI was just totally wrong for me and the numbers obviously pointed it out and the feel for me was obvious as well.
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  • justwellsyjustwellsy Advanced Members Posts: 972
    if you really want a good shaft, skip both of these and get an M9003!
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  • Palauan HammerPalauan Hammer Advanced Members Posts: 3,117
    Nice results 3woodvt!



    I'm loving my GP 7x, it's really knocked some spin off my drives which I actually needed. Weird thing is it doesn't feel boardy at all to me, nice smooth load and some kick through the ball. Shaft feels "dense" at impact compared to the OG Whiteboard 73x, like it filters out the bad vibes LOL

    justwellsy wrote:


    if you really want a good shaft, skip both of these and get an M9003!




    Someday, after I save a bunch of lunch money I'll grab one of these to try!
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  • 3woodvt3woodvt 5 test drives for clubface contact. #footpowder Advanced Members Posts: 1,628
    justwellsy wrote:


    if you really want a good shaft, skip both of these and get an M9003!
    Yeah we talked about that shaft as well. He said he had a collegiate player at NC State that uses that shaft. Says it feels horrible (wrong word...harsh maybe is better) to him but is the best performer of anything he's ever tried and it was about performance at that level. Anyway I'm very excited and satisfied with the results I was able to see and now a believer in being properly fit. After a few rounds I'll report back for those that maybe is looking as well. I'm kind of a moderate tempo guy.
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  • 3woodvt3woodvt 5 test drives for clubface contact. #footpowder Advanced Members Posts: 1,628
    edited January 2017


    Nice results 3woodvt!



    I'm loving my GP 7x, it's really knocked some spin off my drives which I actually needed. Weird thing is it doesn't feel boardy at all to me, nice smooth load and some kick through the ball. Shaft feels "dense" at impact compared to the OG Whiteboard 73x, like it filters out the bad vibes LOL


    justwellsy wrote:


    if you really want a good shaft, skip both of these and get an M9003!




    Someday, after I save a bunch of lunch money I'll grab one of these to try!
    Thanks Hammer. First time in about 10 years doing the fitting thing. Been fitted for irons before but never driver. Your description is what I experienced and right on the mark for me and you. Funny thing is I wouldn't have known what you were talking about until after today. It's nice being in the right equipment for a change. Love my irons, hoping I'll love the Driver change, and putting has always been my strength. Cheers! Trying to get back to 0 or dare I say maybe a + GHIN> image/taunt.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':taunt:' /> .



    PS. My launch went up a degree with the AD-GP but my spin was dropping 300 on average and was getting some great carry for me. Looking forward to seeing if that transposes to the course.
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  • 3woodvt3woodvt 5 test drives for clubface contact. #footpowder Advanced Members Posts: 1,628
    update. First round with new shaft combo and hit 9 of 12 fairways and longer and tighter that previous combo. One bad tee shot due to high toe hit in left rough. Other misses were no trouble. Very nice shaft. I've finally got a shaft I can stick with and not wonder anymore for the next 5 years+. Get Fitted...It pays off. 74 on my 72.7/141 track.
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  • proamateurproamateur Advanced Members Posts: 120
    Got to say I'm quite surprised by comments about the AD-GP being boardy - I didn't find that at all. Stiff, of course, but not boardy - certainly nowhere near as boardy as my 'ahina in comparible weight and flex. It's a really good shaft, as are all of the Graphite Design offerings at the moment.



    I'm looking forward to hitting the AD-TP. Sounds like that might be the one to go for just for those days when you're not totally at it. Sounds like a great 3W profile too.



    For some context, I use C-Taper in my irons.
  • 3woodvt3woodvt 5 test drives for clubface contact. #footpowder Advanced Members Posts: 1,628
    edited January 2017
    proamateur wrote:


    Got to say I'm quite surprised by comments about the AD-GP being boardy - I didn't find that at all. Stiff, of course, but not boardy - certainly nowhere near as boardy as my 'ahina in comparible weight and flex. It's a really good shaft, as are all of the Graphite Design offerings at the moment.



    I'm looking forward to hitting the AD-TP. Sounds like that might be the one to go for just for those days when you're not totally at it. Sounds like a great 3W profile too.



    For some context, I use C-Taper in my irons.
    I agree as it's anything but boardy for me. Sounds like those making those comments probably need to be in a softer profile like the AD-DI or AD-TP. I was actually worried about it being not stiff enough and I'm sub 110 SS. Turns out its perfect for me and my 106-110SS.



    Everyone is different and each person needs to be honest with their limitations. For those that find it not stiff enough they can move up to the next level and the M9003. The very stiff tip and firm mid and firm butt is just what many of us really like. Those that like the soft butt and firm tip probably love the AD-BB and so on. I would be describing the M9003 as "boardy" in stiff flex as I don't particularly like a really stiff mid section but in reality it would be the wrong shaft for me to begin with. When talking shafts a person is crazy to base their purchase off someone else's description on the internet. Go and hit it and make the decision once you see your numbers and how it feels to you. If you don't like how it feels I doubt that person would be keeping it very long.



    PS. The not very stiff mid section really loads this club for me as I start an aggressive downswing and creates a wonderful feel and kick for me at impact. Hard to describe but oh so sweet at impact. The very stiff tip keeps the face square along with it's low torque and the ball just wants to always go strait. Perfect shaft for some of us.
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  • Bomber_11Bomber_11 Enjoy the Chase. ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 3,523 ClubWRX
    Wasn't really a fan of the AD GP in my M series driver - Just ordered a 2017 M1 w/ the AD TP 6X Tipped 1/2"



    I'm an AD DI fan in my 3-wood, so I'm thinking the AD TP w/ a 9.5* head may be the ticket. I'll be testing it against my Tensei CK Pro White 70TX.
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  • littled1212littled1212 Nuts Advanced Members Posts: 987 ✭✭
    Bomber_11 wrote:


    Wasn't really a fan of the AD GP in my M series driver - Just ordered a 2017 M1 w/ the AD TP 6X Tipped 1/2"



    I'm an AD DI fan in my 3-wood, so I'm thinking the AD TP w/ a 9.5* head may be the ticket. I'll be testing it against my Tensei CK Pro White 70TX.
    Let us know how it is!! Thanks
  • ObieTrice5ObieTrice5 Advanced Members Posts: 540 ✭✭

    Bomber_11 wrote:


    Wasn't really a fan of the AD GP in my M series driver - Just ordered a 2017 M1 w/ the AD TP 6X Tipped 1/2"



    I'm an AD DI fan in my 3-wood, so I'm thinking the AD TP w/ a 9.5* head may be the ticket. I'll be testing it against my Tensei CK Pro White 70TX.
    Let us know how it is!! Thanks




    Ditto! I'm excited to hear your thoughts on these two shafts.
  • 3woodvt3woodvt 5 test drives for clubface contact. #footpowder Advanced Members Posts: 1,628
    Bomber_11 wrote:


    Wasn't really a fan of the AD GP in my M series driver - Just ordered a 2017 M1 w/ the AD TP 6X Tipped 1/2"



    I'm an AD DI fan in my 3-wood, so I'm thinking the AD TP w/ a 9.5* head may be the ticket. I'll be testing it against my Tensei CK Pro White 70TX.
    Bomber 11 I too am looking forward to your thoughts on the TP you're trying but the GP and TP have almost the same profile with the GP mostly having a stiffer tip than the TP. If you're tipping the TP wouldn't that kinda make it just like the GP? I know the GP is slightly firmer in the but end but very little. Anyway look forward to hearing your thoughts.
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  • 3woodvt3woodvt 5 test drives for clubface contact. #footpowder Advanced Members Posts: 1,628
    edited February 2017
    Oh my God!. Just dropped the G LS with new shaft down to 8* and wow. Ain't even gonna elaborate. Would love to get back on a monitor. Was 162 ball speed with 15 launch and 2300 spin.



    Looks like around 12-13 launch with less spin and another 5 or 10 yards. Hmmm? Got to go back somewhere and monitor this thing to compare my original set up at 275 avg carry^^.



    Looks like 8 degrees it is now. image/taunt.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':taunt:' /> image/superman2.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':superman2:' /> . Mark it 8 Dude...and don't look back. image/lock.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lock:' />
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    Anymore info?? I would like to know about the AD TP. Thanks
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    anybody?
  • noodle3872noodle3872 Chilliwack B.C. CanadaAdvanced Members Posts: 2,555 ✭✭


    Anymore info?? I would like to know about the AD TP. Thanks




    Look in the equipment section of the front page. There is a review there of the TP agains other GD shafts.
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  • Bomber_11Bomber_11 Enjoy the Chase. ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 3,523 ClubWRX
    My setup is supposed to finally be here tomorrow - will have launch monitor #'s this weekend of AD TP vs. Tensei Pro White
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    Thanks
  • WannabePaperTigerWannabePaperTiger Advanced Members Posts: 169
    "firm butt is just what many of us really like."



    agreed...



    On related note I didn't get fitted but based on my experience and the posts I have a gd tp coming to me soon! Thanks all.
  • KPH808KPH808 Participation Trophy ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 2,633 ClubWRX
    Bomber_11 wrote:


    My setup is supposed to finally be here tomorrow - will have launch monitor #'s this weekend of AD TP vs. Tensei Pro White




    Sounds like a solid setup either way.
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  • 3woodvt3woodvt 5 test drives for clubface contact. #footpowder Advanced Members Posts: 1,628


    "firm butt is just what many of us really like."



    agreed...



    On related note I didn't get fitted but based on my experience and the posts I have a gd tp coming to me soon! Thanks all.
    Well played...I didn't even catch that while typing. Nice.
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  • Bomber_11Bomber_11 Enjoy the Chase. ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 3,523 ClubWRX
    edited February 2017
    I was able to sneak in a little launch monitor time yesterday. Had the front weight centered, and back track all the way to the rear.



    Taylormade M1 9.5 w/ Tensei CK Pro White 70TX
    • Swing Speed: 117 mph
    • Ball Speed: 175 mph
    • Carry Distance: 309
    • Total Distance: 331
    • Spin: 2100 RPM
    • Launch Angle: 12.7*


    Impressions: The Tensei CK Pro White 70TX is very smooth in relation to how firm it is. You can tell it's made to super tight tolerances, and of very high quality materials. It 'kicks' the exact same every time, which I loved because launch angle and dispersion were super tight. I'll need to test further in the summer when I'm loose and swinging a little faster, but for now I'm very pleased with this shaft. I do need to regrip it, as the mid-size that came on it wasn't helping me turn the ball over at all.





    Taylormade M1 9.5 w/ Graphite Design AD TP 6X
    • Swing Speed: 118 mph
    • Ball Speed: 177 mph
    • Carry Distance: 316
    • Total Distance: 327
    • Spin: 2350
    • Launch Angle: 13.6*


    Impressions: Whoever called this shaft "AD DI on Steroids" was very accurate. It feels physically more petite than the Tensei (I believe it tapers down faster than most shafts?) - however, it holds its own as far as firmness w/ the CK Pro White. To me, it feels like AD DI w/ a little bit less active kick. Essentially like an AD DI and AD GP had a baby and painted it silver. It launches higher than the Tensei, AD GP, or AD BB. The difference between this and AD DI is I never felt "out of control" with this shaft. At 118 the AD DI would've began feeling whippy and soft, and the AD TP didn't. Very smooth, easy to load, and releases max power on the ball.



    If I were to rank the driver shafts I've hit in the last year on overall performance and feel:
    1. Tensei CK Pro White 70TX
    2. Graphite Design AD TP 6X
    3. Graphite Design AD BB 6X
    4. Fujikura Speeder 661 Evo II X
    5. Graphite Design AD DI 7X
    6. Aldila Rogue Silver 60 X
    7. Project X Hzrdus Red 6.0
    8. Graphite Design AD GP 6X
    9. Project X Hzrdus Black 75 6.5
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  • surehands79surehands79 Advanced Members Posts: 237
    Bomber_11 wrote:


    I was able to sneak in a little launch monitor time yesterday. Had the front weight centered, and back track all the way to the rear.



    Taylormade M1 9.5 w/ Tensei CK Pro White 70TX
    • Swing Speed: 117 mph
    • Ball Speed: 175 mph
    • Carry Distance: 309
    • Total Distance: 331
    • Spin: 2100 RPM
    • Launch Angle: 12.7*


    Impressions: The Tensei CK Pro White 70TX is very smooth in relation to how firm it is. You can tell it's made to super tight tolerances, and of very high quality materials. It 'kicks' the exact same every time, which I loved because launch angle and dispersion were super tight. I'll need to test further in the summer when I'm loose and swinging a little faster, but for now I'm very pleased with this shaft. I do need to regrip it, as the mid-size that came on it wasn't helping me turn the ball over at all.





    Taylormade M1 9.5 w/ Graphite Design AD TP 6X
    • Swing Speed: 118 mph
    • Ball Speed: 177 mph
    • Carry Distance: 316
    • Total Distance: 327
    • Spin: 2350
    • Launch Angle: 13.6*


    Impressions: Whoever called this shaft "AD DI on Steroids" was very accurate. It feels physically more petite than the Tensei (I believe it tapers down faster than most shafts?) - however, it holds its own as far as firmness w/ the CK Pro White. To me, it feels like AD DI w/ a little bit less active kick. Essentially like an AD DI and AD GP had a baby and painted it silver. It launches higher than the Tensei, AD GP, or AD BB. The difference between this and AD DI is I never felt "out of control" with this shaft. At 118 the AD DI would've began feeling whippy and soft, and the AD TP didn't. Very smooth, easy to load, and releases max power on the ball.



    If I were to rank the driver shafts I've hit in the last year on overall performance and feel:
    1. Tensei CK Pro White 70TX
    2. Graphite Design AD TP 6X
    3. Graphite Design AD BB 6X
    4. Fujikura Speeder 661 Evo II X
    5. Graphite Design AD DI 7X
    6. Aldila Rogue Silver 60 X
    7. Project X Hzrdus Red 6.0
    8. Graphite Design AD GP 6X
    9. Project X Hzrdus Black 75 6.5
    10. Matrix Ozik Black Tie 75M4



    No Kuro Kage on that list??
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  • zwhitworthzwhitworth Advanced Members Posts: 1,803 ✭✭
    Bomber_11 wrote:


    I was able to sneak in a little launch monitor time yesterday. Had the front weight centered, and back track all the way to the rear.



    Taylormade M1 9.5 w/ Tensei CK Pro White 70TX
    • Swing Speed: 117 mph
    • Ball Speed: 175 mph
    • Carry Distance: 309
    • Total Distance: 331
    • Spin: 2100 RPM
    • Launch Angle: 12.7*


    Impressions: The Tensei CK Pro White 70TX is very smooth in relation to how firm it is. You can tell it's made to super tight tolerances, and of very high quality materials. It 'kicks' the exact same every time, which I loved because launch angle and dispersion were super tight. I'll need to test further in the summer when I'm loose and swinging a little faster, but for now I'm very pleased with this shaft. I do need to regrip it, as the mid-size that came on it wasn't helping me turn the ball over at all.





    Taylormade M1 9.5 w/ Graphite Design AD TP 6X
    • Swing Speed: 118 mph
    • Ball Speed: 177 mph
    • Carry Distance: 316
    • Total Distance: 327
    • Spin: 2350
    • Launch Angle: 13.6*


    Impressions: Whoever called this shaft "AD DI on Steroids" was very accurate. It feels physically more petite than the Tensei (I believe it tapers down faster than most shafts?) - however, it holds its own as far as firmness w/ the CK Pro White. To me, it feels like AD DI w/ a little bit less active kick. Essentially like an AD DI and AD GP had a baby and painted it silver. It launches higher than the Tensei, AD GP, or AD BB. The difference between this and AD DI is I never felt "out of control" with this shaft. At 118 the AD DI would've began feeling whippy and soft, and the AD TP didn't. Very smooth, easy to load, and releases max power on the ball.



    If I were to rank the driver shafts I've hit in the last year on overall performance and feel:
    1. Tensei CK Pro White 70TX
    2. Graphite Design AD TP 6X
    3. Graphite Design AD BB 6X
    4. Fujikura Speeder 661 Evo II X
    5. Graphite Design AD DI 7X
    6. Aldila Rogue Silver 60 X
    7. Project X Hzrdus Red 6.0
    8. Graphite Design AD GP 6X
    9. Project X Hzrdus Black 75 6.5
    10. Matrix Ozik Black Tie 75M4





    Nice write up. Did you tip either of these? I have a similar swing speed and like the DI and the BB tipped 1".
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