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Hitting balls with eyes closed - a useful diagnosis tool?

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Hi folks - i've recently begun hitting balls with eyes closed as part of my practice sessions - if nothing else I find it frees me up from overly technical thinking. I enjoy the freedom of closing eyes, and find it removes a lot of tension from the swing.<br />
<br />
With eyes open I strike the ball fine, but with eyes closed almost everything comes way off the toe...I'm talking missing grooves completely with a 9 iron! When I open eyes again I can strike the ball fine.<br />
<br />
For those who practice this, should I be worried? Is this indicative of a swing flaw that my hand-eye coordination overcomes? Curious to hear the opinions of those here, especially those who try it.<br />
<br />
Thanks!
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  • SunkTheBirdieSunkTheBirdie Members  3042WRX Points: 8Posts: 3,042 Titanium Tees
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    Maybe some Google glasses could start off with just 10% blur. and work up to 100% total blur.<br />
    It could be a good way of feeling different parts of the swing. <br />
    It would help you establish a reliable pre-shot routine <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
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    Many Hands make Light Work. Many Eyes make Accurate Work. gWRX - the Greatest golf forum on the Internets :).
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  • Jim WaldronJim Waldron Balance Point Golf Schools Sponsors  3254WRX Points: 189Posts: 3,254 Titanium Tees
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    Eyes closed ballstriking is an essential part of my golf swing mastery program.<br />
    <br />
    Tons of benefits....and will expose your hidden mechanical weaknesses.<br />
    <br />
    When your balance, mechanics, setup, grip, aim and tempo are correct - you don't need ANY hand-eye coordination to make solid impact and hit the ball well to your target.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    Our mastering of the craft of ballstriking graduation "test" (kind of like a first degree black belt in ballstriking) is hitting at least 8 out of 10 drivers in a 40 yard wide grid, and total distance of at least 250 yards (for golfers of average age, not super seniors of juniors) with your eyes closed.
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  • ChipDriverChipDriver Members  3058WRX Points: 119Posts: 3,058 Titanium Tees
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    gentles wrote:
    <br />
    Hi folks - i've recently begun hitting balls with eyes closed as part of my practice sessions - if nothing else I find it frees me up from overly technical thinking. I enjoy the freedom of closing eyes, and find it removes a lot of tension from the swing.<br />
    <br />
    With eyes open I strike the ball fine, but with eyes closed almost everything comes way off the toe...I'm talking missing grooves completely with a 9 iron! When I open eyes again I can strike the ball fine.<br />
    <br />
    For those who practice this, should I be worried? Is this indicative of a swing flaw that my hand-eye coordination overcomes? Curious to hear the opinions of those here, especially those who try it.<br />
    <br />
    Thanks!<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    Why would you do this? What is your current index? How much time do you devote to your game? There is a reason why you don't see pro golfers who are blind...or hear about pro golfers closing their eyes while swinging to win a tournament - b/c eyesight matters! <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Not only to see the ball, but to also heighten your sense of where the ball may be in 3 dimensional space (i.e. - if your ball position varies even by a 1/2 inch or more - your eyesight and brain and hands and arms will find it).<br />
    <br />
    1) Do this test. wear golf shoes to see your footprints in the turf. Take a club and drop a ball - and hit it. Now place the ball 2 balls "back" in your stance - stand in the same place and hit it. Now put the ball 1 ball farther away from you and hit it. IMO you ought to be able to hit each one of these solidly...and that's how your eyes/hands/brain work together.<br />
    <br />
    2) Try this test too: align your self with a target relying on your eyes and let your body align itself naturally - then drop a shaft along your toe line and step back and check to see how well you were lined up to the target. Do this maybe 3 or 4 times. After each time drop your shaft along your toes and step behind and see where the shaft points. Are you consistent each time in where you're aiming? I bet you are. You may be consistently open or square or closed - but are you consistent? If so - that's b/c of your eyesight and brain and body working together to "sense" your body position in 3 dimensional space too. As long as you're consistent you will play better golf IMO.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    When you close your eyes - it robs you of the ability not just to see the ball and find it with your hand/eye coordination (test #1), but also it robs you of an ability simply to align yourself properly (test #2) b/c you can't "sense" where you are.<br />
    <br />
    As for having a perfect swing - who cares? A perfect swing only affects contact. But if you're not able to see or sense where you are you're going to miss your target. <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /><br />
    <br />
    Open your eyes. <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
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  • SunkTheBirdieSunkTheBirdie Members  3042WRX Points: 8Posts: 3,042 Titanium Tees
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    We know how great the eyes are !<br />
    This drill is to learn to FEEL your swing better, because that's all you have <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /><br />
    With the usually dominant visual cortex resting ... the rest of your brain can come alive.
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    Many Hands make Light Work. Many Eyes make Accurate Work. gWRX - the Greatest golf forum on the Internets :).
  • ruffellprefleyruffellprefley Members  2064WRX Points: 105Posts: 2,064 Platinum Tees
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    my gut feeling that i'd chunk the crap out of it is probably very telling about the state of my swing. maybe i'll give it a try with an old club
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  • 596596 Lakeland, FLMembers  3898WRX Points: 390Posts: 3,898 Titanium Tees
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    I'll have to try this when no one else in on the range. I wouldn't want to hurt anyone.
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  • BKN1964BKN1964 Members  1099WRX Points: 193Posts: 1,099 Platinum Tees
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    I don't try to hit balls with my eyes closed, but swinging the club without a ball with my eyes closed allows me to focus more on the feel of my swing without the distraction of visual inputs. We used to joke about people who, while driving, would turn down the radio and ask "Do you smell something?". The inference being that sound doesn't compete with the nose for trying to smell something. In reality, all of the senses are competing for bandwidth from the brain, and the more you can tune out, the more you can concentrate on what you are trying to do.<br />
    <br />
    I find I strike the ball much better after taking a few practice swings with my eyes closed.
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  • Petunia SprinklePetunia Sprinkle Future King of France Unregistered  5362WRX Points: 152Posts: 5,362 Titanium Tees
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    About once a year, I go see my former neighbor (a great PT who has gotten me out of more than one jam) to get an assessment of where I am, physically, and what I should be working on. A couple of years ago, she said my balance was exceptional with my eyes open, but fell off quite a bit with my eyes closed. We did some exercises (including playing catch with me standing one footed on a bosu ball) and I started practicing a variety of activities with my eyes closed (wrecked both our cars, b'dum-bump!). Etc., etc.. Doing so improved my balance with my eyes open, so I'm convinced it's a good idea.<br />
    <br />
    And speaking of eyes and golf...a guy I used to play with found out he had a melanoma in his left eye (right handed). He was having his eye removed on a Monday, so on the Friday before, he was at the driving range wearing an eye patch. On his way out, he stopped by the clubhouse and said "it can be done", and off he went.
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  • jonsnowjonsnow GeorgiaMembers  1546WRX Points: 506Handicap: 8.3Posts: 1,546 Platinum Tees
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    <br />
    About once a year, I go see my former neighbor (a great PT who has gotten me out of more than one jam) to get an assessment of where I am, physically, and what I should be working on. A couple of years ago, she said my balance was exceptional with my eyes open, but fell off quite a bit with my eyes closed. We did some exercises (including playing catch with me standing one footed on a bosu ball) and I started practicing a variety of activities with my eyes closed (wrecked both our cars, b'dum-bump!). Etc., etc.. Doing so improved my balance with my eyes open, so I'm convinced it's a good idea.<br />
    <br />
    And speaking of eyes and golf...a guy I used to play with found out he had a melanoma in his left eye (right handed). He was having his eye removed on a Monday, so on the Friday before, he was at the driving range wearing an eye patch. On his way out, he stopped by the clubhouse and said "it can be done", and off he went.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    Wow. What a great attitude! <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/good.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':good:' />
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  • nikegalnikegal The golf swing is simple arithmetic, not trigonometry Members  1206WRX Points: 180Handicap: :-)Posts: 1,206 Platinum Tees
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    <br />
    Eyes closed ballstriking is an essential part of my golf swing mastery program.<br />
    <br />
    Tons of benefits....and will expose your hidden mechanical weaknesses.<br />
    <br />
    When your balance, mechanics, setup, grip, aim and tempo are correct - you don't need ANY hand-eye coordination to make solid impact and hit the ball well to your target.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    Our mastering of the craft of ballstriking graduation "test" (kind of like a first degree black belt in ballstriking) is hitting at least 8 out of 10 drivers in a 40 yard wide grid, and total distance of at least 250 yards (for golfers of average age, not super seniors of juniors) with your eyes closed.<br />
    Great post Jim!! Pete did and I do incorporate this when working with "serious" students. What I mean by "serious" is not a scratch or Plus Player but someone, who when they first try "eyes closed" drills and hit the ball all over the place or not as they do with eyes open, like many drills that they cannot initially perform optimally, they drop it and just keep going down the road that they were on, doing what they were doing, the way that they were doing it and being satisfied with that outcome, however a "serious" golfer, regardless of handicap, keeps working on the drill until they master it. Another addition to this is to hit balls in one's bare feet. Balance tempo and rhythm. I hope that you are well <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Madison
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  • BenHoganSlam1953BenHoganSlam1953 Professional Hacker Members  1943WRX Points: 102Handicap: 10.4Posts: 1,943 Platinum Tees
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    I've done it with great success, however, DO NOT do it around other people as the stress of worrying if you will send the ball into the person next to you negates the whole exercise. I would set up normally and then just before starting my backswing - close my eyes. I would first practice it without a ball to feel my swing better. However, be prepared for just how much you are dependent on your eyes. I close my eyes when I do most of my dynamic stretching, which includes standing on one foot for a count of 12 - a lot easier said than done. Our muscles are constantly making little adjustments based on the information received from our eyes - without them it takes practice.
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  • nikegalnikegal The golf swing is simple arithmetic, not trigonometry Members  1206WRX Points: 180Handicap: :-)Posts: 1,206 Platinum Tees
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    jonsnow wrote:
    <br />
    <br />
    About once a year, I go see my former neighbor (a great PT who has gotten me out of more than one jam) to get an assessment of where I am, physically, and what I should be working on. A couple of years ago, she said my balance was exceptional with my eyes open, but fell off quite a bit with my eyes closed. We did some exercises (including playing catch with me standing one footed on a bosu ball) and I started practicing a variety of activities with my eyes closed (wrecked both our cars, b'dum-bump!). Etc., etc.. Doing so improved my balance with my eyes open, so I'm convinced it's a good idea.<br />
    <br />
    And speaking of eyes and golf...a guy I used to play with found out he had a melanoma in his left eye (right handed). He was having his eye removed on a Monday, so on the Friday before, he was at the driving range wearing an eye patch. On his way out, he stopped by the clubhouse and said "it can be done", and off he went.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    Wow. What a great attitude! <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/good.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':good:' /><br />
    Pete's mentor, teacher and friend, Tommy Armour, who initially lost sight in both eyes due to exposure to mustard gas in WWI, recovered sight in his right eye and became a HoFer after that. Richard too has lost sight in his left eye and while he cannot swing full speed yet, he beat Nathan Smith in 2/5 indoor putting contests last week, lol. He has practiced putting with his eyes closed for decades though the stroke has effected his left side and his balance with his full swing and we actually saw for the first time that on longer than 40 or so feet as when Nathan moved back for lengthy lag putts Richard had balance issues. Nathan, being the gentleman that he is, moved back up to 30' and in but Richard being Richard, hahaha, moved back to 40+ feet because he will have to master those over again if he is to play. Take care <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Maddie
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  • jonsnowjonsnow GeorgiaMembers  1546WRX Points: 506Handicap: 8.3Posts: 1,546 Platinum Tees
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    <br />
    I've done it with great success, however, DO NOT do it around other people as the stress of worrying if you will send the ball into the person next to you negates the whole exercise. I would set up normally and then just before starting my backswing - close my eyes. I would first practice it without a ball to feel my swing better. However, be prepared for just how much you are dependent on your eyes. I close my eyes when I do most of my dynamic stretching, which includes standing on one foot for a count of 12 - a lot easier said than done. Our muscles are constantly making little adjustments based on the information received from our eyes - without them it takes practice.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    I second this. I read somewhere that closing your eyes while doing this mimics movement somehow & makes it more difficult for you to maintain balance. You don't realize how much your muscles are involved in something as seemingly simple as maintaining your balance until you try it.
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  • jonsnowjonsnow GeorgiaMembers  1546WRX Points: 506Handicap: 8.3Posts: 1,546 Platinum Tees
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    nikegal wrote:
    <br />
    jonsnow wrote:
    <br />
    <br />
    About once a year, I go see my former neighbor (a great PT who has gotten me out of more than one jam) to get an assessment of where I am, physically, and what I should be working on. A couple of years ago, she said my balance was exceptional with my eyes open, but fell off quite a bit with my eyes closed. We did some exercises (including playing catch with me standing one footed on a bosu ball) and I started practicing a variety of activities with my eyes closed (wrecked both our cars, b'dum-bump!). Etc., etc.. Doing so improved my balance with my eyes open, so I'm convinced it's a good idea.<br />
    <br />
    And speaking of eyes and golf...a guy I used to play with found out he had a melanoma in his left eye (right handed). He was having his eye removed on a Monday, so on the Friday before, he was at the driving range wearing an eye patch. On his way out, he stopped by the clubhouse and said "it can be done", and off he went.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    Wow. What a great attitude! <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/good.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':good:' /><br />
    Pete's mentor, teacher and friend, Tommy Armour, who initially lost sight in both eyes due to exposure to mustard gas in WWI, recovered sight in his right eye and became a HoFer after that. Richard too has lost sight in his left eye and while he cannot swing full speed yet, he beat Nathan Smith in 2/5 indoor putting contests last week, lol. He has practiced putting with his eyes closed for decades though the stroke has effected his left side and his balance with his full swing and we actually saw for the first time that on longer than 40 or so feet as when Nathan moved back for lengthy lag putts Richard had balance issues. Nathan, being the gentleman that he is, moved back up to 30' and in but Richard being Richard, hahaha, moved back to 40+ feet because he will have to master those over again if he is to play. Take care <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Maddie<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    Speaking of great attitudes... <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smilie_wilson.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smilie_wilson:' />
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    WITB:
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    Ping G400 14.5
    Titleist 910H 19
    Bridgestone J40 DPC 4-PW
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  • nikegalnikegal The golf swing is simple arithmetic, not trigonometry Members  1206WRX Points: 180Handicap: :-)Posts: 1,206 Platinum Tees
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    jonsnow wrote:
    <br />
    nikegal wrote:
    <br />
    jonsnow wrote:
    <br />
    <br />
    About once a year, I go see my former neighbor (a great PT who has gotten me out of more than one jam) to get an assessment of where I am, physically, and what I should be working on. A couple of years ago, she said my balance was exceptional with my eyes open, but fell off quite a bit with my eyes closed. We did some exercises (including playing catch with me standing one footed on a bosu ball) and I started practicing a variety of activities with my eyes closed (wrecked both our cars, b'dum-bump!). Etc., etc.. Doing so improved my balance with my eyes open, so I'm convinced it's a good idea.<br />
    <br />
    And speaking of eyes and golf...a guy I used to play with found out he had a melanoma in his left eye (right handed). He was having his eye removed on a Monday, so on the Friday before, he was at the driving range wearing an eye patch. On his way out, he stopped by the clubhouse and said "it can be done", and off he went.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    Wow. What a great attitude! <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/good.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':good:' /><br />
    Pete's mentor, teacher and friend, Tommy Armour, who initially lost sight in both eyes due to exposure to mustard gas in WWI, recovered sight in his right eye and became a HoFer after that. Richard too has lost sight in his left eye and while he cannot swing full speed yet, he beat Nathan Smith in 2/5 indoor putting contests last week, lol. He has practiced putting with his eyes closed for decades though the stroke has effected his left side and his balance with his full swing and we actually saw for the first time that on longer than 40 or so feet as when Nathan moved back for lengthy lag putts Richard had balance issues. Nathan, being the gentleman that he is, moved back up to 30' and in but Richard being Richard, hahaha, moved back to 40+ feet because he will have to master those over again if he is to play. Take care <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Maddie<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    Speaking of great attitudes... <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smilie_wilson.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smilie_wilson:' /><br />
    Obstinance, hahaha. Have a nice day Jon <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Fondly, Maddie
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  • jonsnowjonsnow GeorgiaMembers  1546WRX Points: 506Handicap: 8.3Posts: 1,546 Platinum Tees
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    nikegal wrote:
    <br />
    jonsnow wrote:
    <br />
    nikegal wrote:
    <br />
    jonsnow wrote:
    <br />
    <br />
    About once a year, I go see my former neighbor (a great PT who has gotten me out of more than one jam) to get an assessment of where I am, physically, and what I should be working on. A couple of years ago, she said my balance was exceptional with my eyes open, but fell off quite a bit with my eyes closed. We did some exercises (including playing catch with me standing one footed on a bosu ball) and I started practicing a variety of activities with my eyes closed (wrecked both our cars, b'dum-bump!). Etc., etc.. Doing so improved my balance with my eyes open, so I'm convinced it's a good idea.<br />
    <br />
    And speaking of eyes and golf...a guy I used to play with found out he had a melanoma in his left eye (right handed). He was having his eye removed on a Monday, so on the Friday before, he was at the driving range wearing an eye patch. On his way out, he stopped by the clubhouse and said "it can be done", and off he went.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    Wow. What a great attitude! <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/good.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':good:' /><br />
    Pete's mentor, teacher and friend, Tommy Armour, who initially lost sight in both eyes due to exposure to mustard gas in WWI, recovered sight in his right eye and became a HoFer after that. Richard too has lost sight in his left eye and while he cannot swing full speed yet, he beat Nathan Smith in 2/5 indoor putting contests last week, lol. He has practiced putting with his eyes closed for decades though the stroke has effected his left side and his balance with his full swing and we actually saw for the first time that on longer than 40 or so feet as when Nathan moved back for lengthy lag putts Richard had balance issues. Nathan, being the gentleman that he is, moved back up to 30' and in but Richard being Richard, hahaha, moved back to 40+ feet because he will have to master those over again if he is to play. Take care <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Maddie<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    Speaking of great attitudes... <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smilie_wilson.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':smilie_wilson:' /><br />
    Obstinance, hahaha. Have a nice day Jon <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Fondly, Maddie<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    One person's obstinance is another person's determination. It's also another person's pigheadedness...
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    <br />
    Eyes closed ballstriking is an essential part of my golf swing mastery program.<br />
    <br />
    Tons of benefits....and will expose your hidden mechanical weaknesses.<br />
    <br />
    When your balance, mechanics, setup, grip, aim and tempo are correct - you don't need ANY hand-eye coordination to make solid impact and hit the ball well to your target.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    Our mastering of the craft of ballstriking graduation "test" (kind of like a first degree black belt in ballstriking) is hitting at least 8 out of 10 drivers in a 40 yard wide grid, and total distance of at least 250 yards (for golfers of average age, not super seniors of juniors) with your eyes closed.<br />
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    Thanks for the response - I had a brief range session yesterday and really enjoyed alternating between eyes open and closed, while keeping my full PSR. <br />
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    When you say "hidden mechanical weakness", is that different from a weakness that shows up with eyes open?
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  • Jim WaldronJim Waldron Balance Point Golf Schools Sponsors  3254WRX Points: 189Posts: 3,254 Titanium Tees
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    gentles wrote:
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    Eyes closed ballstriking is an essential part of my golf swing mastery program.<br />
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    Tons of benefits....and will expose your hidden mechanical weaknesses.<br />
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    When your balance, mechanics, setup, grip, aim and tempo are correct - you don't need ANY hand-eye coordination to make solid impact and hit the ball well to your target.<br />
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    Our mastering of the craft of ballstriking graduation "test" (kind of like a first degree black belt in ballstriking) is hitting at least 8 out of 10 drivers in a 40 yard wide grid, and total distance of at least 250 yards (for golfers of average age, not super seniors of juniors) with your eyes closed.<br />
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    Thanks for the response - I had a brief range session yesterday and really enjoyed alternating between eyes open and closed, while keeping my full PSR.<br />
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    When you say "hidden mechanical weakness", is that different from a weakness that shows up with eyes open?<br />
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    Yes - it means that if your mechanics are poor, then you have to rely on "hand-eye" manipulation to steer the clubhead into the ball.<br />
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    Hard to do that consistently, on a day to day basis. Lot of luck involved in hitting a good shot with that method.<br />
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    Better mechanics makes your golf swing more repeatable and more energy efficient - using physics and geometry. Proper directional application of force. Like Iron Byron does it!<br />
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    Take the eyes away, and your true mechanics will manifest - flaws and all.<br />
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    Eyes closed will also show you how much you are ball-bound, or the mistaken perception that the ball is the target in golf, which creates several destructive impulses.
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  • PowderedToastManPowderedToastMan Members  4404WRX Points: 1,721Posts: 4,404 Titanium Tees
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    As someone who has good hand eye coordination, I'm more than happy to have a swing that relies on it. <br />
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    That being said, I sometimes close my eyes for practice swings. Usually I do this when there's lots of distractions or a shadow in my swing that's changing the feel of my swing.
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  • PJ72PJ72 Members  1933WRX Points: 104Posts: 1,933 Platinum Tees
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    I read that Rickie Fowler practices with his eyes closed. Not sure which coach revealed that.
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  • Jim WaldronJim Waldron Balance Point Golf Schools Sponsors  3254WRX Points: 189Posts: 3,254 Titanium Tees
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    nikegal wrote:
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    Eyes closed ballstriking is an essential part of my golf swing mastery program.<br />
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    Tons of benefits....and will expose your hidden mechanical weaknesses.<br />
    <br />
    When your balance, mechanics, setup, grip, aim and tempo are correct - you don't need ANY hand-eye coordination to make solid impact and hit the ball well to your target.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    Our mastering of the craft of ballstriking graduation "test" (kind of like a first degree black belt in ballstriking) is hitting at least 8 out of 10 drivers in a 40 yard wide grid, and total distance of at least 250 yards (for golfers of average age, not super seniors of juniors) with your eyes closed.<br />
    Great post Jim!! Pete did and I do incorporate this when working with "serious" students. What I mean by "serious" is not a scratch or Plus Player but someone, who when they first try "eyes closed" drills and hit the ball all over the place or not as they do with eyes open, like many drills that they cannot initially perform optimally, they drop it and just keep going down the road that they were on, doing what they were doing, the way that they were doing it and being satisfied with that outcome, however a "serious" golfer, regardless of handicap, keeps working on the drill until they master it. Another addition to this is to hit balls in one's bare feet. Balance tempo and rhythm. I hope that you are well <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Madison<br />
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    Hi Maddie - thanks for the feedback!<br />
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    I agree on the hitting balls barefoot - pretty popular here in Hawaii!<br />
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    I teach the principle of actively ignoring the golf ball and eyes closed ballstriking is a very fast way to learn how to not react to the ball.
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  • DeadaimzDeadaimz Members  334WRX Points: 80Handicap: 12.9Posts: 334 Greens
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    In George Knudson's book Natural ahold he said he shot a 67 with his eyes closed. He used eyes closed drill and said it improves your overall ball striking. I believe that would be a good reason to purse mastery of this drill. I've tried a few times and it reveals to you if your swing is in balance or not. Great drill IMO.<br />
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    ChipDriver wrote:
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    gentles wrote:
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    Hi folks - i've recently begun hitting balls with eyes closed as part of my practice sessions - if nothing else I find it frees me up from overly technical thinking. I enjoy the freedom of closing eyes, and find it removes a lot of tension from the swing.<br />
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    With eyes open I strike the ball fine, but with eyes closed almost everything comes way off the toe...I'm talking missing grooves completely with a 9 iron! When I open eyes again I can strike the ball fine.<br />
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    For those who practice this, should I be worried? Is this indicative of a swing flaw that my hand-eye coordination overcomes? Curious to hear the opinions of those here, especially those who try it.<br />
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    Why would you do this? What is your current index? How much time do you devote to your game? There is a reason why you don't see pro golfers who are blind...or hear about pro golfers closing their eyes while swinging to win a tournament - b/c eyesight matters! <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> Not only to see the ball, but to also heighten your sense of where the ball may be in 3 dimensional space (i.e. - if your ball position varies even by a 1/2 inch or more - your eyesight and brain and hands and arms will find it).<br />
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    1) Do this test. wear golf shoes to see your footprints in the turf. Take a club and drop a ball - and hit it. Now place the ball 2 balls "back" in your stance - stand in the same place and hit it. Now put the ball 1 ball farther away from you and hit it. IMO you ought to be able to hit each one of these solidly...and that's how your eyes/hands/brain work together.<br />
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    2) Try this test too: align your self with a target relying on your eyes and let your body align itself naturally - then drop a shaft along your toe line and step back and check to see how well you were lined up to the target. Do this maybe 3 or 4 times. After each time drop your shaft along your toes and step behind and see where the shaft points. Are you consistent each time in where you're aiming? I bet you are. You may be consistently open or square or closed - but are you consistent? If so - that's b/c of your eyesight and brain and body working together to "sense" your body position in 3 dimensional space too. As long as you're consistent you will play better golf IMO.<br />
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    When you close your eyes - it robs you of the ability not just to see the ball and find it with your hand/eye coordination (test #1), but also it robs you of an ability simply to align yourself properly (test #2) b/c you can't "sense" where you are.<br />
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    As for having a perfect swing - who cares? A perfect swing only affects contact. But if you're not able to see or sense where you are you're going to miss your target. <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /><br />
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    Open your eyes. <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> <img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /><br />
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  • LinksmanUKLinksmanUK Members  2WRX Points: 15Handicap: 21Posts: 2 Starters
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    out of desperation today, after a shocking 15 holes of medal round, I started striking ball with eyes closed. Not a single miss-hit. I even chipped stone-dead on 18th for my third straight par!

    If you really struggle to prevent the hit impulse (I do, and have for some time), try this, even if just on the range.

    I am 21-h’cap though as a 17-year old, nearly 40 years ago, I got to 7.

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