The Hogan Lay-off Move

Schlee said you actively bend the right wrist back in transition.

Anyone agree or disagree with this, and why?

I personally believe you should use both left and right hand, but primarily the left hand. Like the waggle. But that's just me

It seems more upper right arm external rotation, left upper arm internal rotation and right elbow flexion actually in the transition, to me; then he appears to me to flow into loading the right wrist pretty much immediately after that.

Actively bending back the right wrist like the waggle in transition makes one externally rotate the upper right arm, yes? If yes, I think a better feel is bending back the right wrist. And I think it must be fully bent back before reaching the top, because if it does, the right wrist hinge becomes free to rotate clockwise, which puts or allows the left hand to have control

I think he gets to the top with L fully cocked and R nearly fully bent, but as bent as you can get it with the left in that attitude, then in transition the arms as a unit drop flatter, the wrists have the same relationship, except for forces on them due to weight of the club. The right arm flexes more at the elbow in transition which sends the club head down behind his back and contributing to that extreme lag. I think at that point he still has cup in his left and the face is still flat on the plane line. If the right wrist flexed first from the top it would bow straight away and I don't think that happens.

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The external rotation and internal rotation of the upper arms happens first in my opinion. There looks like there is a small amount of right forearm pronation, and right arm adducts and lowers and left abducts and elevates slightly, all in one move. Then as the transition finishes, the club begins to close and left wrist bow and right wrist feel pressure and flex a small amount more. The left arm abduction and right arm adduction looks to me to increase progressively from the top as this is happening until what I call 'delivery'. Eg the top down and behind video where you see his left upper arm disconnect.

All this flows and I think the arms flatten the club not the wrist first, essentially. Which works the hands over their backswing path and toward the ball.

Some enormous caveats - who knows what shot he was hitting above, how he was feeling that day, and when that was filmed. I also think of any part of the golf swing that is truly individual, relates to that persons' proportions, and will have a huge effect on path and face angle, this is it.

What I find most interesting of all is whether he then consciously adducts the left upper arm through impact having created this space or whether his pivot continuing causes it to look like that, or whether he is trying continuously to get it off his chest and the pivot causes it to look like that.

I think Hogan's left wrist will be cupped even if the right wrist is bent back. This is because his right hand rides higher and is above the left hand. Right hand weaker than weak left hand. It loses the cup when the pivot=left shoulder rotation kicks in, because the pivot introduces much more crosswise force on the left wrist hinge and the base of right palm is still pressuring the base of left thumb.

Pivot is reason also why the upper left arm gets closer to the chest

I think he gets to the top with L fully cocked and R nearly fully bent, but as bent as you can get it with the left in that attitude, then in transition the arms as a unit drop flatter, the wrists have the same relationship, except for forces on them due to weight of the club. The right arm flexes more at the elbow in transition which sends the club head down behind his back and contributing to that extreme lag. I think at that point he still has cup in his left and the face is still flat on the plane line. If the right wrist flexed first from the top it would bow straight away and I don't think that happens.

 

From 1:00

 

 

The external rotation and internal rotation of the upper arms happens first in my opinion. There looks like there is a small amount of right forearm pronation, and right arm adducts and lowers and left abducts and elevates slightly, all in one move. Then as the transition finishes, the club begins to close and left wrist bow and right wrist feel pressure and flex a small amount more. The left arm abduction and right arm adduction looks to me to increase progressively from the top as this is happening until what I call 'delivery'. Eg the top down and behind video where you see his left upper arm disconnect.

 

 

All this flows and I think the arms flatten the club not the wrist first, essentially. Which works the hands over their backswing path and toward the ball.

 

Some enormous caveats - who knows what shot he was hitting above, how he was feeling that day, and when that was filmed. I also think of any part of the golf swing that is truly individual, relates to that persons' proportions, and will have a huge effect on path and face angle, this is it.

 

What I find most interesting of all is whether he then consciously adducts the left upper arm through impact having created this space or whether his pivot continuing causes it to look like that, or whether he is trying continuously to get it off his chest and the pivot causes it to look like that.

I think he moves his left shoulder down very early, reaching its end of backswing position when left arm is parallel and left wrist fully cocked. Once left shoulder reaches this position, he tries to turn his hips off the inside of his right foot. This starts to move the lower body laterally perfectly, WHILE the arms still continue to do their thing to finish its backswing.

I think key here is stopping of left shoulder, AND trying to keep it from opening up while turning the hips. These actions result to the stuff you mentioned. So I think Hogan was spot on on the feels, the intents, in Five Lessons. Everything else are just consequences.

Too many people are focused on what they see, so they keep looking. I think we should focus on what we think, the feels, the intents. Otherwise it's mere copying, mimicking, superficial