TW vs Spieth @ 100 tour starts.

Jordan picked up his 9th win yesterday in his 100th start at 23 years old.

Woods was also 23 years old in his 100th start.

The big difference is Woods had 28 victories in 100 starts!

It's crazy how good that guy was!

Good thing Curtis Strange tried to set him (Tiger) straight and tell him to temper his expectations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEesh2lJdgE

Tiger definitely changed the game, especially at the fitness level. Tiger had the advantage over the field every week physically and mentally. My question is would Tiger still dominate today at his prime with the level of competition today? I think his win total would be cut in half

not so ironic .. I don't care for either player

Tiger definitely changed the game, especially at the fitness level. Tiger had the advantage over the field every week physically and mentally. My question is would Tiger still dominate today at his prime with the level of competition today? I think his win total would be cut in half

I tend to agree with this - but it's like that in every sport. Tiger's greatness is that he changed the sport and set the bar for every kid to come after him. If they wanted to compete on the PGA tour, they had Tiger to look up to as the gold standard. It's kind of like the quest to run the 4 minute mile - nobody did it until Roger Bannister in 1954 and then it was achieved again by two other people just 2 months later simply because once that barrier is broken, others will push themselves because they know it can be done.

It's also a matter of equipment - Tiger able to do with the equipment of his early days (e.g. old school TM metal woods) what others couldn't - he absolutely destroyed Augusta in 1997 being 50 yards longer than a lot of guys he played with. Now that we've basically "maxed out" equipment, it's hard for anyone to achieve that level of "distance" between competitors.

It's funny how Jordan had so much success a few years back after winning the Masters and US Open and everyone expected him to continue his meteoric rise. I think some people forgot how good he is because of all the other big names at the top, but he's reminded people he's still one of the best. It's easy to forget about guys for a moment that don't have the firepower of a Rory, DJ, or Day, but Jordan is an excellent ball striker and putter and that will serve him well.

I think he wins one more time before the Masters this year (maybe Innisbrook again) and I think he'll win the Masters 3 more times (although maybe not this year).

The "joke" at most colleges and grad schools (at least the ones that I attended or am familiar with) is that we all like to say "if the admissions standards of today were like that back when I applied, I'd never have gotten in!" In a lot of ways, there's some truth to that. When you look at how average GPAs and test scores for a lot of colleges have gone up over the decades, you have to wonder if it is grade inflation, or did students just get that much stronger?

I think the same applies to golf.

There's no question that Tiger grew the game in a way that nobody before him ever did, and likely nobody after him ever will. As someone that was in high school and college when Tiger hit the national scene, I witnessed first-hand golf going from this obscure sport that "nerds and rich guys" played to something that a lot of people who didn't fit that typical demographic decided to give a try. And now, 20 years later, those people are on tour. The talent is deeper. The fields are deeper. And no, I don't think Tiger would have dominated this group in the same way... though this group exists BECAUSE of Tiger.

What Jordan (and Rory, and Day) have all done very early in their careers is the type of thing that if there were no Tiger, we'd all be absolutely amazed at the level of early accomplishment. I'm not going to poo-poo 9 victories and a #1 ranking by 23 even though it pales in comparison to what Tiger did.

Very interesting stat. I wonder how their last 100 PGA Tour starts will compare.

I don't agree. Tiger was a mental warrior the likes of which are seen once in a generation. If that. If he was in his prime he would do exactly what he did before. The current guys won't say it but I'm sure when alone with their thoughts they believe they are the best ever. Fine. That's a great attitude. But the truth is none of them have ever faced the real deal. They would be roadkill just like the best of the rest were 15 years ago.

The only guy I see right now with that kind of potential is Speith. He is young enough and doesn't seem to be comfortable enough to lose his focus. Jason Day is great but physically fragile. Rory has all the tools but honestly I don't see him even golfing 5 years from now. I think life will soon be pulling him away from the circus.

Very interesting stat. I wonder how their last 100 PGA Tour starts will compare.

TW has 20 wins in his last 100 PGA tour starts ; )

Tiger definitely changed the game, especially at the fitness level. Tiger had the advantage over the field every week physically and mentally. My question is would Tiger still dominate today at his prime with the level of competition today? I think his win total would be cut in half

Tiger definitely changed the game, especially at the fitness level. Tiger had the advantage over the field every week physically and mentally. My question is would Tiger still dominate today at his prime with the level of competition today? I think his win total would be cut in half

So Phil, Erine, Retief, and VJ Singh were all physically and mentally weak?

Very interesting stat. I wonder how their last 100 PGA Tour starts will compare.

 

TW has 20 wins in his last 100 PGA tour starts ; )

Oops, that's not what I meant. I apologize for not wording it more clearly. I meant last 100 starts of their PGA Tour career when they are both retired. I know we won't be able to answer that question for several decades.

Very interesting stat. I wonder how their last 100 PGA Tour starts will compare.

 

TW has 20 wins in his last 100 PGA tour starts ; )

 

Oops, that's not what I meant. I apologize for not wording it more clearly. I meant last 100 starts of their PGA Tour career when they are both retired. I know we won't be able to answer that question for several decades.

Sadly, I don't think Tiger is going to have too many more starts. So the 20 wins in his last 100 starts is probably pretty accurate. We will have to wait and see for Jordan.

Tiger definitely changed the game, especially at the fitness level. Tiger had the advantage over the field every week physically and mentally. My question is would Tiger still dominate today at his prime with the level of competition today? I think his win total would be cut in half

^^^^^ clueless. LOL.

When people compared Tiger to Jack the Tiger fans would say how much more impressive Tiger's stats were because the level of competition was greater than what Jack had to compete with. Now, when we compare Spieth to Tiger all we hear is how 'great' Tiger was yet we don't hear that the level of competition is exponentially greater than when Tiger first turned pro.

If you are going to set standards for one lump of stats then set them the same for all. I know that isn't how people of today like to do things and it makes almost all of their arguments fall apart but you just can't cherry pick your way through life.

I think Tiger would have definitely still won a lot but not at the same pace and I think he would be 'stuck' at 9 or 10 majors.

Tiger definitely changed the game, especially at the fitness level. Tiger had the advantage over the field every week physically and mentally. My question is would Tiger still dominate today at his prime with the level of competition today? I think his win total would be cut in half

 

^^^^^ clueless. LOL.

how is it 'clueless'?

do you know how it would fare if times were changed? That is the clueless part.

Part of these debates are hypothetical arguments. We will never know. But to cast someone's opinion as clueless is irresponsible and shows your lack of ability to debate in a civilized manner.

LOL?

Tiger definitely changed the game, especially at the fitness level. Tiger had the advantage over the field every week physically and mentally. My question is would Tiger still dominate today at his prime with the level of competition today? I think his win total would be cut in half

at Tiger's prime these kids would be still trying to figure out how to win...he won so much..he would prevent the confidence that you are seeing in these kids today...there is no one to dominate them like only Tiger could. He would have broken these kids and had their dinner. They would be the same choke artists he created on tour at his prime. You have no idea the level of competitiveness Tiger had. Clueless.

Jordan picked up his 9th win yesterday in his 100th start at 23 years old.

 

Woods was also 23 years old in his 100th start.

 

The big difference is Woods had 28 victories in 100 starts!

 

It's crazy how good that guy was!

Adding in Jack's stats:

17 wins in his first 100 pro starts.

Jack turned pro a couple months before his 22nd bday.

Tiger turned pro at about 4 months before his 21st bday.

Jordan turned pro at 19.

Hence why the TV folks were putting up the "wins by age xxx graphics" - Jordan looks much better (closer) using that measurement.

When you measure wins by starts rather than wins by age, it becomes quickly evident how much better Jack and Tiger were....

Tiger definitely changed the game, especially at the fitness level. Tiger had the advantage over the field every week physically and mentally. My question is would Tiger still dominate today at his prime with the level of competition today? I think his win total would be cut in half

 

^^^^^ clueless. LOL.

Nice contribution! ^^^^^ clueless. LOL.

23YOJS should be the owner of the last 3 green jackets. He will get his 2nd jacket this year.

When people compared Tiger to Jack the Tiger fans would say how much more impressive Tiger's stats were because the level of competition was greater than what Jack had to compete with. Now, when we compare Spieth to Tiger all we hear is how 'great' Tiger was yet we don't hear that the level of competition is exponentially greater than when Tiger first turned pro.

 

If you are going to set standards for one lump of stats then set them the same for all. I know that isn't how people of today like to do things and it makes almost all of their arguments fall apart but you just can't cherry pick your way through life.

 

I think Tiger would have definitely still won a lot but not at the same pace and I think he would be 'stuck' at 9 or 10 majors.

I agree. But, in TWs case, if he came out now....

would he have hurt his knee and his back 10 years into his career?

A healthy TW playing for 20+ years straight, wonder what kind of numbers we'd be talking about?

tigers first 100 tournaments took place in the weakest era in golfing history

tigers first 100 tournaments took place in the weakest era in golfing history

yup, he had 3 legs and they had only one and one ball to play with

tigers first 100 tournaments took place in the weakest era in golfing history

 

yup, he had 3 legs and they had only one and one ball to play with

This is OWGR in Jan 2000

1 (1) Tiger Woods USA 20.69 993.00 48 0.00 + 54.00

2 (2) David Duval USA 13.33 626.60 47 0.00 + 21.60

3 (3) Colin Montgomerie Sco 10.02 551.00 55 -29.00 + 0.00

4 (4) Davis Love-III USA 9.31 419.00 45 -17.00 + 0.00

5 (5) Ernie Els SAf 9.01 504.40 56 -12.00 + 32.40

6 (7) Vijay Singh Fij 7.94 492.29 62 0.00 + 7.29

7 (6) Lee Westwood Eng 7.85 463.00 59 0.00 + 0.00

8 (8) Nick Price Zim 7.28 364.00 50 -3.00 + 0.00

9 (10) Mark O'Meara USA 6.65 326.00 49 0.00 + 0.00

10 (9) Phil Mickelson USA 6.59 323.00 49 -6.00 + 0.00 11

(11) Jim Furyk USA 6.50 370.58 57 0.00 + 14.58 12

(12) Sergio Garcia Spn

And here is the top 12 in Jan 2013 (year spieth went pro and right in rorys best years so far)

1 (1) <1> Rory McIlroy N Ireland 13.024 612.123 47 -9.188 0.000 47

2 (2) <2> Luke Donald England 8.452 431.057 51 -8.684 0.000 51

3 (3) <3> Tiger Woods United States 8.409 336.361 40 -4.950 0.000 34

4 (4) <4> Justin Rose England 6.325 328.918 52 -5.037 0.000 56

5 (5) <5> Adam Scott Australia 6.103 256.330 42 -4.376 0.000 42

6 (6) <6> Louis Oosthuizen South Africa 6.066 315.454 52 -4.152 0.000 59

7 (7) <7> Lee Westwood England 5.920 307.851 52 -5.861 0.000 52

8 (10) <10> Brandt Snedeker United States 5.481 285.035 52 -4.764 18.400 55

9 (8) <8> Bubba Watson United States 5.340 267.018 50 -4.833 12.420 50

10 (9) <9> Jason Dufner United States 5.169 268.763 52 -4.308 3.224 52

11 (13) <13> Keegan Bradley United States 5.151 267.838 52 -4.366 12.420 59

12 (23) <23> Dustin Johnson United States 5.117 250.712 49 -4.506 46.000 49

Looks higher quality/deeper in 2000 ; )

tigers first 100 tournaments took place in the weakest era in golfing history

How did you come to this conclusion? I'm not debating because I'm by no means an expert when it comes to golf history, I'm just generally curious...

tigers first 100 tournaments took place in the weakest era in golfing history

How did you come to this conclusion? I'm not debating because I'm by no means an expert when it comes to golf history, I'm just generally curious...

Tiger definitely changed the game, especially at the fitness level. Tiger had the advantage over the field every week physically and mentally. My question is would Tiger still dominate today at his prime with the level of competition today? I think his win total would be cut in half

His scoring average was better than any of the supposed studs of today. I'm betting he would still be very dominant.

tigers first 100 tournaments took place in the weakest era in golfing history

 

yup, he had 3 legs and they had only one and one ball to play with

 

This is OWGR in Jan 2000

 

 

1 (1) Tiger Woods USA 20.69 993.00 48 0.00 + 54.00

2 (2) David Duval USA 13.33 626.60 47 0.00 + 21.60

3 (3) Colin Montgomerie Sco 10.02 551.00 55 -29.00 + 0.00

4 (4) Davis Love-III USA 9.31 419.00 45 -17.00 + 0.00

5 (5) Ernie Els SAf 9.01 504.40 56 -12.00 + 32.40

6 (7) Vijay Singh Fij 7.94 492.29 62 0.00 + 7.29

7 (6) Lee Westwood Eng 7.85 463.00 59 0.00 + 0.00

8 (8) Nick Price Zim 7.28 364.00 50 -3.00 + 0.00

9 (10) Mark O'Meara USA 6.65 326.00 49 0.00 + 0.00

10 (9) Phil Mickelson USA 6.59 323.00 49 -6.00 + 0.00 11

(11) Jim Furyk USA 6.50 370.58 57 0.00 + 14.58 12

(12) Sergio Garcia Spn

 

And here is the top 12 in Jan 2013 (year spieth went pro and right in rorys best years so far)

 

1 (1) <1> Rory McIlroy N Ireland 13.024 612.123 47 -9.188 0.000 47

2 (2) <2> Luke Donald England 8.452 431.057 51 -8.684 0.000 51

3 (3) <3> Tiger Woods United States 8.409 336.361 40 -4.950 0.000 34

4 (4) <4> Justin Rose England 6.325 328.918 52 -5.037 0.000 56

5 (5) <5> Adam Scott Australia 6.103 256.330 42 -4.376 0.000 42

6 (6) <6> Louis Oosthuizen South Africa 6.066 315.454 52 -4.152 0.000 59

7 (7) <7> Lee Westwood England 5.920 307.851 52 -5.861 0.000 52

8 (10) <10> Brandt Snedeker United States 5.481 285.035 52 -4.764 18.400 55

9 (8) <8> Bubba Watson United States 5.340 267.018 50 -4.833 12.420 50

10 (9) <9> Jason Dufner United States 5.169 268.763 52 -4.308 3.224 52

11 (13) <13> Keegan Bradley United States 5.151 267.838 52 -4.366 12.420 59

12 (23) <23> Dustin Johnson United States 5.117 250.712 49 -4.506 46.000 49

 

 

Looks higher quality/deeper in 2000 ; )

by any delusional stretch of an imagination

Very interesting stat. I wonder how their last 100 PGA Tour starts will compare.

 

TW has 20 wins in his last 100 PGA tour starts ; )

 

Oops, that's not what I meant. I apologize for not wording it more clearly. I meant last 100 starts of their PGA Tour career when they are both retired. I know we won't be able to answer that question for several decades.

 

Sadly, I don't think Tiger is going to have too many more starts. So the 20 wins in his last 100 starts is probably pretty accurate. We will have to wait and see for Jordan.

Tiger could end his career with a bang. My opinion is that Tiger has a lot more starts left in him. Finishes could be a different story. For all we know, Jordan's game might fall off the end of the earth in the later part of his career as well. Golf is a peculiar sport.