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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors  5158WRX Points: 444Posts: 5,158 Titanium Tees
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    noodle3872 wrote:
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    TollBros wrote:
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    It's official after a day on the course doing driver comparisons. Tensei Pro Orange is going in the driver.<br />
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    What in your testing sealed the deal? What will you do to raise your club head weight? I assume you're using a hotmelted head already. Swap out the back weight for a heavier weight?<br />
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    I play D2 in the Kuro Kàge Dual Core XT and changing to the Pro Orange drops the swingweight to D0. I find I like it at D1 with that shaft so I just added 2 grams to the back weight.
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  • hwu1hwu1 Members  38WRX Points: 35Posts: 38 Bunkers
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    what ball are you using? I noticed in this thread you posted trackman numbers with the B330 Tour but in the newer testing thread (that hopefully you continue) you tested with the TP5X
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    hwu1 wrote:
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    what ball are you using? I noticed in this thread you posted trackman numbers with the B330 Tour but in the newer testing thread (that hopefully you continue) you tested with the TP5X<br />
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    I use a Bridgestone B330 Tour ball. The newest model. I've been trying to get the TP5x ball dialed in with my gapping because it's incredible in the wind, and I find it easier to control wind distance with the irons. I just can't play it until I have all my gaps and distances dialed in because it is longer off the irons, especially mid and long than the B330 Tour. Oddly enough my highest ball speed with any ball is with the 2016 model Tour Preferred ball, non X version, but iron spin is excessive. So many choices.
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors  5158WRX Points: 444Posts: 5,158 Titanium Tees
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    Driver change. And I'll take some much better photos soon.
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  • mjwidellmjwidell Members  775WRX Points: 87Handicap: +1Posts: 775 Golden Tee
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    Can't wait to see what took the top spot! Sticking with the PO?
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    TM P790 UDI 18* ADDI 95X
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors  5158WRX Points: 444Posts: 5,158 Titanium Tees
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    mjwidell wrote:
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    Can't wait to see what took the top spot! Sticking with the PO?<br />
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    Yes sir. I finally got another M1 440 8.5. I just was struggling with the larger heads and after cracking the face of my 440 in 7 hits the first time, I wrote the driver off. Dumb move on my part. It's the closest thing to my old Superdeep, which I was actually playing with pretty good results while trying to find the right one. M1 440 slightly edges M1 430. Both are a good bit longer consistently than my Superdeep but I'll tell you on buttoned up hits, that Superdeep is as long as anything.
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  • cota0429cota0429 ClubWRX  3589WRX Points: 305Handicap: 0.6Posts: 3,589 ClubWRX
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    Have you tried the Epic at all?
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    Callaway Epic Flash SZ w/ GD Tour AD Di 6x
    Callaway Rogue 15* w/ Diamana D+LTD 70x
    TM UDI 2 iron w/ PXi 6.5 SS
    VR Pro (Artisan build) 4-PW DG X-100 SS Tiger Spec length w/wooden dowels
    Artisan TW/TGR Blade 50*, Artisan 55R, 59TW S400
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  • beluga99beluga99 Maybe Bed, Bath, & Beyond, I don't know, I don't know if we'll have enough time Members  1085WRX Points: 212Handicap: 4.7Posts: 1,085 Platinum Tees
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    Interested on your thought on the NDMC black/black grips, as you must have used lots of different grips in your testing. How do they compare to the MCC+4? Great WITB by the way.
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    917 F2
    i25 5w
    4-P MMC MP 20
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors  5158WRX Points: 444Posts: 5,158 Titanium Tees
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    cota0429 wrote:
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    Have you tried the Epic at all?<br />
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    Too big. I just cannot constantly square up 460cc high MOI heads. I'd play M2 if I could. It's longer than anything else.
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  • dfahnestockdfahnestock Dane Juris Members  497WRX Points: 36Handicap: 3.9Posts: 497 Greens
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    What is the tipping on your Pro White 80TX fairway shaft? Considering moving from my T1100s to an Orange/White combo similar to yours.
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    TaylorMade SIM 10.5 - Accra Tour Z RPG 462 M5+
    PING G410 14.5 - Fujikura Ventus Black 7x
    PING G410 20.5 (19*) - Fujikura Ventus Black 9x
    Mizuno MP20 MB 4 -9 KBS $-Taper 130X
    Titleist SM8 46F DGTI Onyx S400 (HS)
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    Titleist SM8 WW 60K (06) DGTI Onyx S400
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors  5158WRX Points: 444Posts: 5,158 Titanium Tees
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    What is the tipping on your Pro White 80TX fairway shaft? Considering moving from my T1100s to an Orange/White combo similar to yours.<br />
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    1 inch in the 80tx fairway shaft. I was going to go 1.5 but I wanted to make sure it elevated, and to me it's perfect.
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  • the beestthe beest Members  130WRX Points: 86Handicap: 5Posts: 130 Fairways
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    What's the thinking with your 3 & 4 iron playing 1/2inch shorter?
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    917 D3 10.5 Diamana S+ LTD 60x
    917 F2 16.5 Kurokage Dual Core Silver 70x
    818 H2 21 Oban Kiyoshi Black 95/05 or 718 T-MB 3i DG TI AMT
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  • BlackDiamondPar5BlackDiamondPar5 Quitting WRX may be in my future... Members  5873WRX Points: 1,194Posts: 5,873 Titanium Tees
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    Nice bag. Is the OP a pro?
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    the beest wrote:
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    What's the thinking with your 3 & 4 iron playing 1/2inch shorter?<br />
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    The standard length with the ctaper lite is a shade long. I just had them shortened to go progressively up through my set naturally. They come with C-Taper 105 lite and I switch to ctaper 130x so the weight makes up most of the swingweight difference with a little tweaking by my club guy.
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors  5158WRX Points: 444Posts: 5,158 Titanium Tees
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    Officially switched to Synergy Black in the driver and went back to M1 430. I'll update pics soon.
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  • Gtyler14Gtyler14 VaMembers  712WRX Points: 71Handicap: +2.8Posts: 712 Golden Tee
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    TollBros wrote:
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    Officially switched to Synergy Black in the driver and went back to M1 430. I'll update pics soon.<br />
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    I just picked me up another tour issue 430. I couldn’t get along with the 440 so I’m testing the 430 again and it looks suits my eye a lot better. Just have to figure out the shaft to plug in it.
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    Tour issue M4 8.5 w/ Kuro Kage dual core 70TX tipped 1” 44”
    Tour issue M1 T3 14.3 Kuro Kage dual core 80TX tipped 1 42.5” or Diamana bf 80TX tipped 1
    Tour issue TM m1 3HL 17.8 fujikura p95x tipped 1 41.75”
    TM 790 UDI x100 39.75
    TM 750 tour Proto 4-pw tour issue x100
    TM MG AB 54 Tour issue x100
    TM MG AB 60 tour issue x100
    Nike method 001
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors  5158WRX Points: 444Posts: 5,158 Titanium Tees
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    Gtyler14 wrote:
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    TollBros wrote:
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    Officially switched to Synergy Black in the driver and went back to M1 430. I'll update pics soon.<br />
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    I just picked me up another tour issue 430. I couldn't get along with the 440 so I'm testing the 430 again and it looks suits my eye a lot better. Just have to figure out the shaft to plug in it.<br />
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    It's just a great driver head. I've hit literally everything out there, and some stuff you won't see for a year or two, and I just do not hit anything as consistently well as that 430 head. I've got a couple 7.5 degree 460 m1 heads that are more forgiving and even a touch hotter on dead center hits, but for whatever reason, I miss the bigger heads block right probably once a round, and I just really don't like that. The smaller head is easier to square, within 2mph of the 7.5 on ball speed, and consistently just as low spin even with almost a degree more loft. Maybe I give up 5 yards with it, but eliminating that right block is my main concern. Taylormade hit a home run with the M1 and M2 in 2016 and I don't think anyone, including them, has made as good a product before or since.
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  • Gtyler14Gtyler14 VaMembers  712WRX Points: 71Handicap: +2.8Posts: 712 Golden Tee
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    TollBros wrote:
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    Gtyler14 wrote:
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    TollBros wrote:
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    Officially switched to Synergy Black in the driver and went back to M1 430. I'll update pics soon.<br />
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    I just picked me up another tour issue 430. I couldn't get along with the 440 so I'm testing the 430 again and it looks suits my eye a lot better. Just have to figure out the shaft to plug in it.<br />
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    It's just a great driver head. I've hit literally everything out there, and some stuff you won't see for a year or two, and I just do not hit anything as consistently well as that 430 head. I've got a couple 7.5 degree 460 m1 heads that are more forgiving and even a touch hotter on dead center hits, but for whatever reason, I miss the bigger heads block right probably once a round, and I just really don't like that. The smaller head is easier to square, within 2mph of the 7.5 on ball speed, and consistently just as low spin even with almost a degree more loft. Maybe I give up 5 yards with it, but eliminating that right block is my main concern. Taylormade hit a home run with the M1 and M2 in 2016 and I don't think anyone, including them, has made as good a product before or since.<br />
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    The looks are spot on with the 430. I’m switching from a Nike vapor flex and felt like TM has quality drivers but my first run with the 430 I admittedly didn’t give it long enough before I bailed on it since it was mid season and didn’t want to lose strokes and I switched to the 440 at the start of the season and not matter what nothing could make this driver work. I have a KK 70XTS(tipped 1) to try first in the 430 and if that doesn’t work I’ll try a different shafts but looks wise it checks all the boxes and I remember it felt solid. I have a few shafts to possibly try, Diamana limited d+ 70(tipped 1/2), fubuki J 70x (tipped 3/4). I thought about trying the new TM lineup but after the 17 line I didn’t fall in love so I think I’ll stick with the 430 and they can be had for a decent price.
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    Tour issue M4 8.5 w/ Kuro Kage dual core 70TX tipped 1” 44”
    Tour issue M1 T3 14.3 Kuro Kage dual core 80TX tipped 1 42.5” or Diamana bf 80TX tipped 1
    Tour issue TM m1 3HL 17.8 fujikura p95x tipped 1 41.75”
    TM 790 UDI x100 39.75
    TM 750 tour Proto 4-pw tour issue x100
    TM MG AB 54 Tour issue x100
    TM MG AB 60 tour issue x100
    Nike method 001
    Scotty Cameron select Newport 2
  • Smitty120Smitty120 MDMembers  584WRX Points: 162Posts: 584 Golden Tee
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    Interesting to see that you switched to a 60g shaft. With your swing speed, I think most would think you would prefer more weight. Lighter Shaft swing speed and club head speed should increase but sometime dispersion is effected. Interested to hear your thoughts.
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    • SIM 10.5 - Ventus Blue Velocore 7X 
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    • P770 3I - ADDI 95X
    • P750 4-PW - TI X100
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors  5158WRX Points: 444Posts: 5,158 Titanium Tees
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    Smitty120 wrote:
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    Interesting to see that you switched to a 60g shaft. With your swing speed, I think most would think you would prefer more weight. Lighter Shaft swing speed and club head speed should increase but sometime dispersion is effected. Interested to hear your thoughts.<br />
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    It was really by accident honestly. My boss had his 60 gram loaded up and I was hitting it just for the sake of hitting it, and I really couldn't miss the thing. He plays the exact same length and swingweight as I do, so there really was no transition in terms of feel. I liked it so much that I loaded one up in my M1 head and I'm just hitting it super solid almost every strike. I figured I'd run with the set up and see if the honeymoon lasts. Up until this point I've never played any driver shaft regularly that wasn't at least 75 grams. I suppose I've also never run into a 60 gram shaft that spun so little, so it was never really an option.
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  • scratchswingerscratchswinger Members  16494WRX Points: 362Posts: 16,494 Titanium Tees
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    Where can I get an Synergy Black driver shaft?
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors  5158WRX Points: 444Posts: 5,158 Titanium Tees
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    Where can I get an Synergy Black driver shaft?<br />
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    http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1558880-aldila-synergy-tour-black-graphene-tour-protos/<br />
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    Here you go.
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  • cota0429cota0429 ClubWRX  3589WRX Points: 305Handicap: 0.6Posts: 3,589 ClubWRX
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    Have you messed around with the TPT?
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    Callaway Epic Flash SZ w/ GD Tour AD Di 6x
    Callaway Rogue 15* w/ Diamana D+LTD 70x
    TM UDI 2 iron w/ PXi 6.5 SS
    VR Pro (Artisan build) 4-PW DG X-100 SS Tiger Spec length w/wooden dowels
    Artisan TW/TGR Blade 50*, Artisan 55R, 59TW S400
    001 TW Proto

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    Would love to see a video of the swing.
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    D - SIM Max 9* Ventus Black 6x
    4w - SIM Ti Diamana B 80x
    5w - Speedzone FX 2.0 380 or Speedzone 4i Modus 105x
    Irons - P760 4-PW | Modus 120x
    Glide 3.0 50/54/58 S400 Tour Issue
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors  5158WRX Points: 444Posts: 5,158 Titanium Tees
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    TollBros wrote:
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    Where can I get an Synergy Black driver shaft?<br />
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    http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1558880-aldila-synergy-tour-black-graphene-tour-protos/<br />
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    Here you go.<br />
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    http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1559542-aldila-synergy-tour-blackthe-low-spin-king-trackman-data-inside/page__st__180__gopid__16809072#entry16809072<br />
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    And there's the comment thread on it.<br />
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors  5158WRX Points: 444Posts: 5,158 Titanium Tees
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    cota0429 wrote:
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    Have you messed around with the TPT?<br />
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    We just started hitting those on Monday. I'm reserving comments until that process is done. Unfortunately it was submitted by a competitor for data collection so the data results are owned by the client. I can't share those at all unfortunately.
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    Tollbros what's your thoughts on M3 vs Rogue SZ driver comparisons?
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    Flogzero wrote:
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    Tollbros what's your thoughts on M3 vs Rogue SZ driver comparisons?<br />
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    We should have a review thread up at some point doing a full data and player comparison.
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  • pdiddy3pdiddy3 Members  372WRX Points: 79Posts: 372 Greens
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    Toll, what do you still think of super ls as a driver head? I have an 8.5 that one as thinking of bringing back out. My only issue is the adapter. It's only compatible with itself. So no shaft switches, I'd need multiple adapters and shafts. Thoughts? Thanks in advance.
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors  5158WRX Points: 444Posts: 5,158 Titanium Tees
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    pdiddy3 wrote:
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    Toll, what do you still think of super ls as a driver head? I have an 8.5 that one as thinking of bringing back out. My only issue is the adapter. It's only compatible with itself. So no shaft switches, I'd need multiple adapters and shafts. Thoughts? Thanks in advance.<br />
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    I get spin rates similar to an M1 in front weight position but forgiveness as good or better as the M1 in back weight position. I love the shape and deep face of the head as well. Ball speeds are right there with anything new. I had forgotten how good this head was until we started doing a comparison of older heads with new shaft tech. It just came alive when we started trying things like Tensei Pro Orange and Synergy Black in it. I don't love the fact that the head is white, but that can be easily fixed. I honestly think if this driver came out today, with modern shaft tech, and black, that guys would go crazy over it. I do want to make note of the fact that this head is VERY flat in the 7.5 head, which is a Tour only loft, in terms of lie angle compared to almost anything you will see on the market. For example M1 in the flattest setting is 56 degrees. This head is 54 degrees in the standard setting. For players who have a lot of toe droop coming into the ball, this is NOT the head for you.
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