Will Jack still blame the ball?

I just saw DJ hit a drive with 189 mph ball speed, 332 yards of carry and with 4 ft of curve.

So, as the subject suggests, will Jack blame the ball?

I think you've missed Jack's point.

I think you've missed Jack's point.

So what is Jacks point? From what I read his point is that the modern ball is too easy to hit stupid distances, like the drive mentioned above.

Faldo was saying today that they should go back to having to use wooden woods.

Faldo was saying today that they should go back to having to use wooden woods.

Man, don't get me started on what they should do.

I think you've missed Jack's point.

So what is Jacks point? From what I read his point is that the modern ball is too easy to hit stupid distances, like the drive mentioned above.

Jack spent most of his design career building courses that required longer, higher shots.

He has helped create the high bomber, both with his game, and his architecture

DJ is good and all but Jack is not only on a different planet from DJ, but they are in a different solar system...

Jack can say whatever the heck he wants...

DJ is on the EXACT career pace of Billy Casper....which is GREAT but it ain't Jack...not even close

-Chris

Nicklaus says a lot of self-serving stuff, such as trying to convince everyone that there was more competition during his prime years (which is patently absurd). During his prime years, Nicklaus won about 16% of the tournaments he played in, with thin competition at the top. Tiger won about 35% of the tournaments during his prime, with much, much, deeper fields.

But obviously the equipment is much better than before, but everyone has access to the same equipment, and there a lot more top quality golfers out there. Also, unless Nicklaus started a strength training regimen to match today's top golfers, he would not hit the ball as far as today's longest hitters.

Nicklaus has an agenda and that is to create more opportunities for himself as a course designer not a tour player. I don't like any of his suggestions on how to "improve" the game so I don't really care what he thinks about golf balls.

Warning: Reading the Internet can make you stupid.

Warning: Reading the Internet can make you stupid.

You'd better step away then. :)

Nicklaus has an agenda and that is to create more opportunities for himself as a course designer not a tour player. I don't like any of his suggestions on how to "improve" the game so I don't really care what he thinks about golf balls.

Warning: Reading the Internet can make you stupid.

Even assuming that you are right, it's not helping any when you post smart aleck comments without explaining exactly what you disagree with that others have posted.

I think you've missed Jack's point.

So what is Jacks point? From what I read his point is that the modern ball is too easy to hit stupid distances, like the drive mentioned above.

Good question. What does golfgirlrobin think Jack's point was? Do we have to pay extra to find out what golfgirlrobin thinks Jack's point was?

It seems that most WRXers don't agree with Jack and limiting distance which I think is absurd... Screw it, lets get rid of COR limits, let them play whatever they want, we will build 10,000 yard courses and let them hit 500 yard drives with no curve because of ball design.... The game has changed due to equipment for the worse, it's no longer a skill game, the sweet spots so large it makes it so players swing as hard as they want and no curve to worry about with such low spin...

I think Jack's point is that he could compete with these modern guys, and he wants us all to know it. He had to walk both nines uphill on dirt fairways back in his day. These days, anyone can just roll out of bed and hit it 350. Walk into your home course grill room, and anyone who claims to have shaken Sinatra's hand will tell you all you need to know.

It seems that most WRXers don't agree with Jack and limiting distance which I think is absurd... Screw it, lets get rid of COR limits, let them play whatever they want, we will build 10,000 yard courses and let them hit 500 yard drives with no curve because of ball design.... The game has changed due to equipment for the worse, it's no longer a skill game, the sweet spots so large it makes it so players swing as hard as they want and no curve to worry about with such low spin...

Yeah, anyone can do it. Good luck in the FedEx Cup Championship this year!

It seems that most WRXers don't agree with Jack and limiting distance which I think is absurd... Screw it, lets get rid of COR limits, let them play whatever they want, we will build 10,000 yard courses and let them hit 500 yard drives with no curve because of ball design.... The game has changed due to equipment for the worse, it's no longer a skill game, the sweet spots so large it makes it so players swing as hard as they want and no curve to worry about with such low spin...

 

Yeah, anyone can do it. Good luck in the FedEx Cup Championship this year!

Never once said anyone can do it, nice try tho

It seems that most WRXers don't agree with Jack and limiting distance which I think is absurd... Screw it, lets get rid of COR limits, let them play whatever they want, we will build 10,000 yard courses and let them hit 500 yard drives with no curve because of ball design.... The game has changed due to equipment for the worse, it's no longer a skill game, the sweet spots so large it makes it so players swing as hard as they want and no curve to worry about with such low spin...

Actually, I do agree that the ball specs should be changed to cut down on distance a little. I just don't agree with all the other BS that Jack comes up with (including his worship of Mickelson after the Tiger sex scandals, but before we found out that Phil has a serious mega-million gambling problem and narrowly escaped prosecution for insider stock trading).

It seems that most WRXers don't agree with Jack and limiting distance which I think is absurd... Screw it, lets get rid of COR limits, let them play whatever they want, we will build 10,000 yard courses and let them hit 500 yard drives with no curve because of ball design.... The game has changed due to equipment for the worse, it's no longer a skill game, the sweet spots so large it makes it so players swing as hard as they want and no curve to worry about with such low spin...

It seems that most WRXers don't agree with Jack and limiting distance which I think is absurd... Screw it, lets get rid of COR limits, let them play whatever they want, we will build 10,000 yard courses and let them hit 500 yard drives with no curve because of ball design.... The game has changed due to equipment for the worse, it's no longer a skill game, the sweet spots so large it makes it so players swing as hard as they want and no curve to worry about with such low spin...

who won the Well's Fargo Championship?

He hit a 275 3 wood on last hole....

It seems that most WRXers don't agree with Jack and limiting distance which I think is absurd... Screw it, lets get rid of COR limits, let them play whatever they want, we will build 10,000 yard courses and let them hit 500 yard drives with no curve because of ball design.... The game has changed due to equipment for the worse, it's no longer a skill game, the sweet spots so large it makes it so players swing as hard as they want and no curve to worry about with such low spin...

 

Yeah, anyone can do it. Good luck in the FedEx Cup Championship this year!

 

Never once said anyone can do it, nice try tho

Yeah, I know you didn't. I did. It's so easy now. Not a skill game. It's more like beer pong these days. Good luck in the State Amateur this year!

I think Jack's point is that he could compete with these modern guys, and he wants us all to know it. He had to walk both nines uphill on dirt fairways back in his day. These days, anyone can just roll out of bed and hit it 350. Walk into your home course grill room, and anyone who claims to have shaken Sinatra's hand will tell you all you need to know.

Sure Jack could compete today, but I don't believe he would win as many tournaments today as he did against relatively weak fields (which included very few foreign golfers). 350 is an exaggeration, and everyone has access to the same equipment, so what's the point? If someone could invent a time machine to take Nicklaus' body in his prime years up forward to today, I personally don't think he would fare nearly as well as he thinks he would (but not saying he would never win).

It seems that most WRXers don't agree with Jack and limiting distance which I think is absurd... Screw it, lets get rid of COR limits, let them play whatever they want, we will build 10,000 yard courses and let them hit 500 yard drives with no curve because of ball design.... The game has changed due to equipment for the worse, it's no longer a skill game, the sweet spots so large it makes it so players swing as hard as they want and no curve to worry about with such low spin...

who won the Well's Fargo Championship?

I'm not sure, but there is no way he would've broken 80 with a steel shafted driver or a balata.

I think Jack's point is that he could compete with these modern guys, and he wants us all to know it. He had to walk both nines uphill on dirt fairways back in his day. These days, anyone can just roll out of bed and hit it 350. Walk into your home course grill room, and anyone who claims to have shaken Sinatra's hand will tell you all you need to know.

 

Sure Jack could compete today, but I don't believe he would win as many tournaments today as he did against relatively weak fields (which included very few foreign golfers). 350 is an exaggeration, and everyone has access to the same equipment, so what's the point? If someone could invent a time machine to take Nicklaus' body in his prime years up forward to today, I personally don't think he would fare nearly as well as he thinks he would (but not saying he would never win).

I agree 100%.

It seems that most WRXers don't agree with Jack and limiting distance which I think is absurd... Screw it, lets get rid of COR limits, let them play whatever they want, we will build 10,000 yard courses and let them hit 500 yard drives with no curve because of ball design.... The game has changed due to equipment for the worse, it's no longer a skill game, the sweet spots so large it makes it so players swing as hard as they want and no curve to worry about with such low spin...

who won the Well's Fargo Championship?

 

He hit a 275 3 wood on last hole....

It seems that most WRXers don't agree with Jack and limiting distance which I think is absurd... Screw it, lets get rid of COR limits, let them play whatever they want, we will build 10,000 yard courses and let them hit 500 yard drives with no curve because of ball design.... The game has changed due to equipment for the worse, it's no longer a skill game, the sweet spots so large it makes it so players swing as hard as they want and no curve to worry about with such low spin...

who won the Well's Fargo Championship?

 

He hit a 275 3 wood on last hole....

Actually a 5w

I think you've missed Jack's point.

So what is Jacks point? From what I read his point is that the modern ball is too easy to hit stupid distances, like the drive mentioned above.

 

Good question. What does golfgirlrobin think Jack's point was? Do we have to pay extra to find out what golfgirlrobin thinks Jack's point was?

To be honest, I just threw that out there. Frankly, I'm not even sure what the OP's point was.

It seems that most WRXers don't agree with Jack and limiting distance which I think is absurd... Screw it, lets get rid of COR limits, let them play whatever they want, we will build 10,000 yard courses and let them hit 500 yard drives with no curve because of ball design.... The game has changed due to equipment for the worse, it's no longer a skill game, the sweet spots so large it makes it so players swing as hard as they want and no curve to worry about with such low spin...

who won the Well's Fargo Championship?

 

He hit a 275 3 wood on last hole....

Harmon missed the with the three wood, flubbed a wedge but; sunk a thirty footer which takes skill and cost 200 bucks.....good for him.

He would've whiffed if that clubhead was wooden or if Doug Sanders was playing with him.