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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,873 ✭✭
    I will be adding some data on Kuro Kàge Dual Core XD next week as well as some new info on the newest msi135 Rogue. Yes I said 135.
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  • collje26collje26 Members Posts: 537 ✭✭
    J13 wrote:

    TollBros wrote:

    Pomps wrote:


    I have the v3 as well in my TI M2. I'm not getting along with it too well. It doesn't feel great and a I haven't experienced the increased ball speed over most other shafts. I've tried adding no weight and letting it play at a lighter sw, adding all the weight, some of the weight, etc. Just hasn't benefitted me the same as a lot of the other reports. I basically have the same ball speed, launch and spin numbers with it.




    For guys sensitive to feel, some can release the club differently based on that. I've seen a few anomalies where players launched a softer tip shaft lower with less spin than tip stiff because they didn't get along with the feel and would release early. There are some players who subconsciously release differently based on feel. You could be one of those guys.




    Late release guys benefit from softer tips. A buddy is like that. Former mini tour player and plays a Mitsu Blue profil shaft and spins it significantly less then the white. Odd.




    I’am the same. I’ve tried so many shafts. Pro orange, green mamba, phened and hzrdus yellow and can’t find anything better than my diamana s+ 70tx.
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  • JStangJStang Members Posts: 2,402 ✭✭
    TollBros wrote:


    I will be adding some data on Kuro Kàge Dual Core XD next week as well as some new info on the newest msi135 Rogue. Yes I said 135.




    I'm all ears on the XD and Rogue 135. I would love to see Aldila get back in the game. I feel like they've been kind of an afterthought over the past couple of years.
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  • Deuce78Deuce78 Members Posts: 1,243 ✭✭
    Aldila is about to have too many options then, they already are coming out with the mamba series (great), and the synergy, and now a new rogue?
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  • cali_catalystcali_catalyst Cinderella story... Members Posts: 29
    JStang wrote:

    TollBros wrote:


    I will be adding some data on Kuro Kàge Dual Core XD next week as well as some new info on the newest msi135 Rogue. Yes I said 135.




    I'm all ears on the XD and Rogue 135. I would love to see Aldila get back in the game. I feel like they've been kind of an afterthought over the past couple of years.




    135...??!?!?!?! grams??!!?!?!? Jeebus... If so, I hope the thing swings itself. I have an old NV 95 and the thing is a frigging tank. Aldila is back in the game... Synergy is all you need to know. Mamba was good, but I am so glad I picked up a 70tx from Toll... can't wait to get it on Torrey South and Bandon in the next few weeks!!!
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  • J13J13 Dad golf Members Posts: 15,375 ✭✭
    edited Feb 28, 2018 #697
    TollBros wrote:


    I will be adding some data on Kuro Kàge Dual Core XD next week as well as some new info on the newest msi135 Rogue. Yes I said 135.




    Is the KK Dual Core XD the retail version of the KK DC TX that's been out on tour?
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  • jll62jll62 ClubWRX Posts: 2,028 ClubWRX
    edited Feb 28, 2018 #698

    JStang wrote:

    TollBros wrote:


    I will be adding some data on Kuro Kàge Dual Core XD next week as well as some new info on the newest msi135 Rogue. Yes I said 135.




    I'm all ears on the XD and Rogue 135. I would love to see Aldila get back in the game. I feel like they've been kind of an afterthought over the past couple of years.




    135...??!?!?!?! grams??!!?!?!? Jeebus... If so, I hope the thing swings itself. I have an old NV 95 and the thing is a frigging tank. Aldila is back in the game... Synergy is all you need to know. Mamba was good, but I am so glad I picked up a 70tx from Toll... can't wait to get it on Torrey South and Bandon in the next few weeks!!!




    MSI 135 is not a weight measurement. It's a measure of the tensile modulus (think: elasticity) of some of the carbon fiber composite used to make the shaft. The higher the number, the less likely the material is to deform under certain forces, so you can get more stiffness and/or reduced torque, depending upon where the material is used.



    The downside is that materials with high MSI values are quite brittle, so you can't make an entire shaft out of the stuff or it would literally shatter. Shaft manufacturers use a blend of different types of fibers when making a shaft, and the high MSI materials can be used in portions of the shaft to tune the stiffness.
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  • PompsPomps Members Posts: 855 ✭✭
    TollBros wrote:
    I will be adding some data on Kuro Kàge Dual Core XD next week as well as some new info on the newest msi135 Rogue. Yes I said 135.




    This almost makes me sad because now matter much how much I like my current setup, I won’t be able to resist.



    I’ve literally gone through all of these in these in the last year or so:



    Rogue 125 70s

    Rogue 125 70x

    Rogue Black 70x

    Hzrdus black 6.5

    Hzrdus t1100 6.0

    Tensei PO V2 60tx

    Tensei PO V2 70TX

    Tensei PO V3 70TX

    Tensei PB 60tx

    KK DC XT 60tX

    KK XT 60 TX

    Diamana D+ Ltd 70x

    Diamana BF 70TX



    That’s just drivers.



    Please help.
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  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker CAMembers Posts: 5,337 ✭✭
    Pomps wrote:

    TollBros wrote:
    I will be adding some data on Kuro Kàge Dual Core XD next week as well as some new info on the newest msi135 Rogue. Yes I said 135.




    This almost makes me sad because now matter much how much I like my current setup, I won’t be able to resist.



    I’ve literally gone through all of these in these in the last year or so:



    Rogue 125 70s

    Rogue 125 70x

    Rogue Black 70x

    Hzrdus black 6.5

    Hzrdus t1100 6.0

    Tensei PO V2 60tx

    Tensei PO V2 70TX

    Tensei PO V3 70TX

    Tensei PB 60tx

    KK DC XT 60tX

    KK XT 60 TX

    Diamana D+ Ltd 70x

    Diamana BF 70TX



    That’s just drivers.



    Please help.




    You, sir, have a problem. That's some big time shaft hoe status.
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  • cali_catalystcali_catalyst Cinderella story... Members Posts: 29
    Pomps wrote:

    TollBros wrote:
    I will be adding some data on Kuro Kàge Dual Core XD next week as well as some new info on the newest msi135 Rogue. Yes I said 135.




    This almost makes me sad because now matter much how much I like my current setup, I won’t be able to resist.



    I’ve literally gone through all of these in these in the last year or so:



    Rogue 125 70s

    Rogue 125 70x

    Rogue Black 70x

    Hzrdus black 6.5

    Hzrdus t1100 6.0

    Tensei PO V2 60tx

    Tensei PO V2 70TX

    Tensei PO V3 70TX

    Tensei PB 60tx

    KK DC XT 60tX

    KK XT 60 TX

    Diamana D+ Ltd 70x

    Diamana BF 70TX



    That’s just drivers.



    Please help.




    I feel like you have given me proof of my addiction. In 4 months, I have purchased;



    - Mamba 70 and 80

    - Tensei White TX

    - Synergy 60 (returned for 70) TX

    - Evo 2 757

    - Evo 661 2.0 ("DJ Shaft")



    Scared... that I may regress and start another round of "testing" with these new findings.
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,873 ✭✭
    edited Mar 8, 2018 #702
    JStang wrote:

    TollBros wrote:


    I will be adding some data on Kuro Kàge Dual Core XD next week as well as some new info on the newest msi135 Rogue. Yes I said 135.




    I'm all ears on the XD and Rogue 135. I would love to see Aldila get back in the game. I feel like they've been kind of an afterthought over the past couple of years.




    There are two models we have had in testing. I am okay to discuss these to some degree according to Keith so I'll let you guys in on the two I've personally been running through the paces.



    135 MSI, not sure what they will call it other than next gen Rogue. It is less counterbalanced than the previous 125, stiffer in the tip, completely redesigned with even higher grade materials, new tip material to the line, and significantly lower spin than the previous model. Think, Tensei Pro Orange, with even less spin, but a balance point in between Pro Orange and Pro White. It's good, really good. Should be less expensive than the previous 125 as well. I think just under $500. The ion plated finish on these protos is great looking also. If that will carry over to retail, I don't know yet.



    Tour Proto. No idea where this will fit or even if it will ever come to retail.



    Yes both will be available through us at some point soon. The 135 maybe a week or two. The other, a little down the road.
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,873 ✭✭
    J13 wrote:

    TollBros wrote:


    I will be adding some data on Kuro Kàge Dual Core XD next week as well as some new info on the newest msi135 Rogue. Yes I said 135.




    Is the KK Dual Core XD the retail version of the KK DC TX that's been out on tour?




    It isn't. It's actually called a Dual Core, but there is, in reality a third layer of fibers, effectively making it Tri Core. The spin rates are pretty similar on the DCXT and the XD, but the XD is a little more crisp in the tip more like the old version of KK XT. From a performance standpoint the spin rates are similar. Some guys are getting slight variations in spin rate, on identical launch angle hits, but for the most part they are pretty close, with the exception of one type of player, and we will get into that next week. It is certainly crisper feeling where the DCXT is a bit more smoothe and has that sort of varying flex dynamic that guys talk so much about. I'd call it somewhere in between original XT and DCXT in terms of feel, but more DCXT in terms of spin. The graphics are also much nicer, with the prism graphic and some ion plated affect to it. It just looks more rich and high end compared the pretty basic Dual Core graphics. I think guys who maybe wanted something a little tighter feeling than DCXT will really like this XD profile. I'll have data up next week this time.
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,873 ✭✭
    edited Mar 1, 2018 #704

    Pomps wrote:

    TollBros wrote:
    I will be adding some data on Kuro Kàge Dual Core XD next week as well as some new info on the newest msi135 Rogue. Yes I said 135.




    This almost makes me sad because now matter much how much I like my current setup, I won’t be able to resist.



    I’ve literally gone through all of these in these in the last year or so:



    Rogue 125 70s

    Rogue 125 70x

    Rogue Black 70x

    Hzrdus black 6.5

    Hzrdus t1100 6.0

    Tensei PO V2 60tx

    Tensei PO V2 70TX

    Tensei PO V3 70TX

    Tensei PB 60tx

    KK DC XT 60tX

    KK XT 60 TX

    Diamana D+ Ltd 70x

    Diamana BF 70TX



    That’s just drivers.



    Please help.




    I feel like you have given me proof of my addiction. In 4 months, I have purchased;



    - Mamba 70 and 80

    - Tensei White TX

    - Synergy 60 (returned for 70) TX

    - Evo 2 757

    - Evo 661 2.0 ("DJ Shaft")



    Scared... that I may regress and start another round of "testing" with these new findings.




    If I didn't have this job, I would be just like you guys. I can't resist trying the newest high end product. With all the multi material products with different balance points, feel dynamics, and new technology, it's a wonderful time to be able to do what we do. The last 2 years have been very exciting for shaft advancement, and it's not stopping anytime soon. It's what I am most passionate about and it keeps every new batch of testing very exciting.
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  • jbole267jbole267 CalgaryMembers Posts: 331 ✭✭
    That rogue 135MSI sounds like music to my ears, as I got along great with the 125MSI. If they can just improve on the look — really the only thing I didn't like about it, then count me in. Anxiously waiting to get more information.
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  • JStangJStang Members Posts: 2,402 ✭✭
    TollBros wrote:

    JStang wrote:

    TollBros wrote:


    I will be adding some data on Kuro Kàge Dual Core XD next week as well as some new info on the newest msi135 Rogue. Yes I said 135.




    I'm all ears on the XD and Rogue 135. I would love to see Aldila get back in the game. I feel like they've been kind of an afterthought over the past couple of years.




    There are two models we have had in testing. I am okay to discuss these to some degree according to Keith so I'll let you guys in on the two I've personally been running through the paces.



    135 MSI, not sure what they will call it other than next gen Rogue. It is less counterbalanced than the previous 125, stiffer in the tip, completely redesigned with even higher grade materials, new tip material to the line, and significantly lower spin than the previous model. Think, Tensei Pro Orange, with even less spin, but a balance point in between Pro Orange and Pro White. It's good, really good. Should be less expensive than the previous 125 as well. I think just under $500. The ion plated finish on these protos is great looking also. If that will carry over to retail, I don't know yet.



    Tour Proto. No idea where this will fit or even if it will ever come to retail. It's an even higher balance point, ie more counter weighted than the previous line, and even more than Tensei Pro Orange. It also has an extremely stiff tip section with some near Synergy Black type spin rates. For guys that want counterbalanced but massive spin reduction, this one is right up your alley. I don't know anything about the materials or even a name on this one yet, but it's pretty wicked.



    Yes both will be available through us at some point soon. The 135 maybe a week or two. The other, a little down the road.




    The 135 sounds really interesting. I am just to the point where I don't think I need anything lower spin in my life than what I have (KK Dual Core TX and Tensei White TX). I swing it around 113 on GC2 and these shafts tipped 1/2" seem to give me perfect launch and spin conditions with a positive angle of attack. It just comes down to feel at this point. However, I know there is a market for guys who swing it 120+ or fight spin issues for one reason or another that could use the lower spin products.
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  • manima1manima1 Members Posts: 708 ✭✭
    JStang wrote:

    TollBros wrote:

    JStang wrote:

    TollBros wrote:


    I will be adding some data on Kuro Kàge Dual Core XD next week as well as some new info on the newest msi135 Rogue. Yes I said 135.




    I'm all ears on the XD and Rogue 135. I would love to see Aldila get back in the game. I feel like they've been kind of an afterthought over the past couple of years.




    There are two models we have had in testing. I am okay to discuss these to some degree according to Keith so I'll let you guys in on the two I've personally been running through the paces.



    135 MSI, not sure what they will call it other than next gen Rogue. It is less counterbalanced than the previous 125, stiffer in the tip, completely redesigned with even higher grade materials, new tip material to the line, and significantly lower spin than the previous model. Think, Tensei Pro Orange, with even less spin, but a balance point in between Pro Orange and Pro White. It's good, really good. Should be less expensive than the previous 125 as well. I think just under $500. The ion plated finish on these protos is great looking also. If that will carry over to retail, I don't know yet.



    Tour Proto. No idea where this will fit or even if it will ever come to retail. It's an even higher balance point, ie more counter weighted than the previous line, and even more than Tensei Pro Orange. It also has an extremely stiff tip section with some near Synergy Black type spin rates. For guys that want counterbalanced but massive spin reduction, this one is right up your alley. I don't know anything about the materials or even a name on this one yet, but it's pretty wicked.



    Yes both will be available through us at some point soon. The 135 maybe a week or two. The other, a little down the road.




    The 135 sounds really interesting. I am just to the point where I don't think I need anything lower spin in my life than what I have (KK Dual Core TX and Tensei White TX). I swing it around 113 on GC2 and these shafts tipped 1/2" seem to give me perfect launch and spin conditions with a positive angle of attack. It just comes down to feel at this point. However, I know there is a market for guys who swing it 120+ or fight spin issues for one reason or another that could use the lower spin products.




    I'm with you. I bring it at a very similar swing speed and just can't imagine needing further spin reduction after tipping my KKDC XT 1" and putting it on my 16' 8.5 M2 head. Never really thought I would say that either.
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  • jcg132jcg132 PTPOTCW StamvegasMembers Posts: 1,042 ✭✭
    Toll -



    Sorry if i missed this, but will you be putting this new data in this thread or a completely new thread?



    Thanks.
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,873 ✭✭
    edited Mar 8, 2018 #709




    I think when you reach the point where you don't need further spin reduction, you just decide if maybe cutting spin another 400-500rpm and going up in loft a degree or two to keep the same spin rates, but increase the launch angle might benefit you. If not, then stick with that area of shaft. The only thing that's really going to spin less than what you have by a reasonable margin, is Synergy Black at this point, and possibly one of the Tour Rogue shafts.
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,873 ✭✭
    jcg132 wrote:


    Toll -



    Sorry if i missed this, but will you be putting this new data in this thread or a completely new thread?



    Thanks.




    Most likely both. This thread seems to really be a very popular "go to" type of thread, so I'll include some data screens in here as well, but the full write up will be in a brand new thread so that nobody who is interested misses it.
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  • Craigstands17Craigstands17 This Isn't Where I Parked My Cart Members Posts: 239 ✭✭
    Was a very big fan of the Rogue 125 TX and cant wait to hear more about this Rogue 135 everything posted above about it sounds great so far.
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  • gr8 flopshotgr8 flopshot Members Posts: 266 ✭✭
    TollBros wrote:



    I guess that is a fair enough statement but those other shafts will be shorter in a head wind as well. I just found the minute difference in carry odd based on how the majority of them basically had the same comments about feel and spin. I was just fitted into the Hzrdus yellow (black with yelllow writing) and it works great for me. It actually had lower spin than the Tensei White. I guess that's why we go through the fitting. to each his/her own.




    Sounds like you are very sensitive to shaft weight and balance point. Yellow being counterbanced most likely allowed you to hold your angle better. There are some players that will cast a stiffer tip or heavier shaft and cut across it, creating more spin. Swinging with the same angle and release point, Pro White is a far lower spin product.


    That makes sense. Before this I was playing the UST Axivcore Green in my driver. From what I understand, it was a higher spin shaft than the axivcore red but my numbers with the green outperformed the red all day. Who knew counterbalance could make such a difference. Thanks for the 411.
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  • J13J13 Dad golf Members Posts: 15,375 ✭✭


    Was a very big fan of the Rogue 125 TX and cant wait to hear more about this Rogue 135 everything posted above about it sounds great so far.




    Rogue 125 was a weird one. It was an overnight success and an overnight failure on tour. Very strange. I had one and liked the feel but dispersion was not good enough and left was very much in play.
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  • dpb5031dpb5031 Members Posts: 5,152 ✭✭

    TollBros wrote:



    I guess that is a fair enough statement but those other shafts will be shorter in a head wind as well. I just found the minute difference in carry odd based on how the majority of them basically had the same comments about feel and spin. I was just fitted into the Hzrdus yellow (black with yelllow writing) and it works great for me. It actually had lower spin than the Tensei White. I guess that's why we go through the fitting. to each his/her own.




    Sounds like you are very sensitive to shaft weight and balance point. Yellow being counterbanced most likely allowed you to hold your angle better. There are some players that will cast a stiffer tip or heavier shaft and cut across it, creating more spin. Swinging with the same angle and release point, Pro White is a far lower spin product.


    That makes sense. Before this I was playing the UST Axivcore Green in my driver. From what I understand, it was a higher spin shaft than the axivcore red but my numbers with the green outperformed the red all day. Who knew counterbalance could make such a difference. Thanks for the 411.




    I'm not a shaft expert but I've played Axivcore Green extensively. It's a great shaft and very inexpensive. I think it's a tip-stiff "low balance point shaft," opposite of counter-balanced. The Axivcore Black is the counter balanced model and higher launching than green. Axivcore Red is higher launch/higher spin with a more active tip section. Makes sense that the Green spun less than Ref as it's supposed to from my understanding



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  • Craigstands17Craigstands17 This Isn't Where I Parked My Cart Members Posts: 239 ✭✭
    J13 wrote:




    Rogue 125 was a weird one. It was an overnight success and an overnight failure on tour. Very strange. I had one and liked the feel but dispersion was not good enough and left was very much in play.




    It really was an overnight success on the tour, it seemed as if everyone started playing it at once and then it disappeared just as fast as it arrived. I think some of the areas they could have improved that shaft they are according to JT above, with a slightly less counterbalance nature and stiffer tip. Still one of my favorite shafts to play really liked the feel and never really had a problem with dispersion. It seems I too suffer the curse of always searching and switching to the next big thing, I guess thats just one of the burdens I will have to bear.
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  • Deuce78Deuce78 Members Posts: 1,243 ✭✭
    J13 wrote:


    Was a very big fan of the Rogue 125 TX and cant wait to hear more about this Rogue 135 everything posted above about it sounds great so far.




    Rogue 125 was a weird one. It was an overnight success and an overnight failure on tour. Very strange. I had one and liked the feel but dispersion was not good enough and left was very much in play.


    100% correct. Also, I notice that project x products get a bad wrap on here, they make some good products...the hzrdus line was/is very successful. I think every single OEM has the hzrdus yellow as a stock shaft now...
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  • GemGem Members Posts: 1,096 ✭✭
    Deuce78 wrote:

    J13 wrote:


    Was a very big fan of the Rogue 125 TX and cant wait to hear more about this Rogue 135 everything posted above about it sounds great so far.




    Rogue 125 was a weird one. It was an overnight success and an overnight failure on tour. Very strange. I had one and liked the feel but dispersion was not good enough and left was very much in play.


    100% correct. Also, I notice that project x products get a bad wrap on here, they make some good products...the hzrdus line was/is very successful. I think every single OEM has the hzrdus yellow as a stock shaft now...




    Everyone is different I suppose but after trying pretty much every high end shaft over the last 12-18 months my favourite by a long way is the Hzrdus T1100. It feels really smooth and very low spin. Not the slightest bit harsh as some find.

    I quite like the CK PRO White shafts and have also got on well with counterbalanced ones so thought the CK Pro Orange would be a good fit but really didn't like it at all.



    People really do need to try them out for themselves.
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  • Awainer1Awainer1 Members Posts: 880 ✭✭
    edited Mar 2, 2018 #719
    I’m secretly hoping these new shafts don’t beat out the synergy since I finally got one and I’m loving it. Either way it’s an upgrade over the dual core for me and I was in love w my dual core.
  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,873 ✭✭
    Deuce78 wrote:

    J13 wrote:


    Was a very big fan of the Rogue 125 TX and cant wait to hear more about this Rogue 135 everything posted above about it sounds great so far.




    Rogue 125 was a weird one. It was an overnight success and an overnight failure on tour. Very strange. I had one and liked the feel but dispersion was not good enough and left was very much in play.


    100% correct. Also, I notice that project x products get a bad wrap on here, they make some good products...the hzrdus line was/is very successful. I think every single OEM has the hzrdus yellow as a stock shaft now...




    My opinion is that Hzrdus black is an outstanding shaft. Just very tip heavy. Yellow is the counterbalanced model but reasonably high launch and higher spin than you'd expect, which is why you see it as a stock shaft everywhere. The T1100 is one of the lowest spin shafts you'll ever hit, but it's very stiff feeling and just doesn't have a lot of life to it. I think the line overall does what it's supposed to and has a lot of potential, however if the t1100 felt like the yellow, it would be one of the top 2-3 shafts in golf. I feel that they still need to work on multi material construction more to get the feel dynamic more dialed in, but as far as shafts I've seen in stock drivers, I'd take a Hzrdus black over almost anything. Performance is very solid.
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,873 ✭✭
    Awainer1 wrote:


    I’m secretly hoping these new shafts don’t beat out the synergy since I finally got one and I’m loving it. Either way it’s an upgrade over the dual core for me and I was in love w my dual core.




    Nothing that I've seen yet is going to really spin less than a Synergy Black. We will just also have a counterbanced option that's pretty close.
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