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  • keadskeads  121WRX Points: 27Handicap: 7.4Members Posts: 121 Fairways
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    INCREDIBLE information, here. Thanks so much.
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    INCREDIBLE information, here. Thanks so much.




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    If anyone is lookin for a t1100 hit me up on BST
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  • tyorke1tyorke1  2281WRX Points: 142Handicap: +1.4Members Posts: 2,281 Platinum Tees
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    the copperhead used for the 107ss was that the 70x or tx shaft , and is this similar to the stock offering from taylor.
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    This is one of the more usual threads on this forum. Thank you for putting the time and work into this.
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    tyorke1 wrote:


    the copperhead used for the 107ss was that the 70x or tx shaft , and is this similar to the stock offering from taylor.




    The TX is a different profile from the other flexes. A little search will give you this thread we did that compares not only the V2 orange and Copperhead, but Copperhead X and TX flex. Showing you the differences of the TX profile in real world performance.



    http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1557466-tensei-pro-orange-v2-vs-copperhead-tx-comparison-data/page__fromsearch__1



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    Thanks, I read that ,just was not sure what one was used in the test ,I know now it was the 70tx, thanks
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    m6 9 degree , tensai pro orange 70s ,
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    818 h2 hybrid 19 degree ,tour spec blue 85s
    taylor p790 17 degree
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    If anyone is looking for an untipped kk dc 60tx with a cally adapter, I have one about to hit BST
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    Callaway Mavrik SZ 9* - Testing: Ventus Black 6x, Tensei AV Blue 65TX, Kuro Kage DC XT 70TX
    TaylorMade 2016 Tour Issue M2 9.1* - Tensei AV Blue 75TX (D4)
    Titleist 915f 15*(14.25*) - Diamana Ltd D+ 80x 43" (D4)
    Titleist 816 H1 17*(16*) - Fujikura Motore Speeder 8.8x 41" (D4)
    Titleist 915hd 20.5* (19.75*) - Diamana D+ 90s 40.5" (D4)
    TaylorMade p790 UDI 2 Iron - Project X Hzrdus Black 85 6.0 (D4; 2* flat)
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    tyorke1 wrote:


    Thanks, I read that ,just was not sure what one was used in the test ,I know now it was the 70tx, thanks




    No problem. Hopefully the data from both the X and TX is helpful
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  • cota0429cota0429  3566WRX Points: 296Handicap: 0.6ClubWRX Posts: 3,566 ClubWRX
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    Those of you that have the copperhead in TX how have you liked it? I have a TX coming and was originally from Toll Bros untipped at 45. Wondering if it’s going to be enough at 116mph untipped.
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    PING G400 LST Diamana LTD D+ 60 TX
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    cota0429 wrote:


    Those of you that have the copperhead in TX how have you liked it? I have a TX coming and was originally from Toll Bros untipped at 45. Wondering if it’s going to be enough at 116mph untipped.




    Generally no would be the answer to your question.
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    TollBros wrote:
    cota0429 wrote:


    Those of you that have the copperhead in TX how have you liked it? I have a TX coming and was originally from Toll Bros untipped at 45. Wondering if it’s going to be enough at 116mph untipped.




    Generally no would be the answer to your question.




    Looks like it’s going to be playing 44.5 lol. Thanks
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    PING G400 LST Diamana LTD D+ 60 TX
    Callaway Rogue Diamana LTD D+ 80 TX
    Artisan VR Pro's by Mike Taylor X100 soft stepped TW Specs
    SM7 52F, 56M, Oven Green Dot Engage 60 TS
    TW Prototype 001

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    cota0429 wrote:

    TollBros wrote:
    cota0429 wrote:


    Those of you that have the copperhead in TX how have you liked it? I have a TX coming and was originally from Toll Bros untipped at 45. Wondering if it’s going to be enough at 116mph untipped.




    Generally no would be the answer to your question.




    Looks like it’s going to be playing 44.5 lol. Thanks




    You can always tip and extend the butt. 1/2 inch won't affect performance on an extension.
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    Thanks! Will do
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    PING G400 LST Diamana LTD D+ 60 TX
    Callaway Rogue Diamana LTD D+ 80 TX
    Artisan VR Pro's by Mike Taylor X100 soft stepped TW Specs
    SM7 52F, 56M, Oven Green Dot Engage 60 TS
    TW Prototype 001

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    Does anyone have experience comparing the Pro White to Oban Kiyoshi White?
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    When adding weight back to the head, is there a difference between using a tip weight and actually adding it to the head? Moving my PO from an M1 to a Rogue and not sure if there is a best way to get the SW back up- tip weight, lead tape, or getting a heavier weight screw?
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    JJPIV wrote:


    When adding weight back to the head, is there a difference between using a tip weight and actually adding it to the head? Moving my PO from an M1 to a Rogue and not sure if there is a best way to get the SW back up- tip weight, lead tape, or getting a heavier weight screw?




    The best way would be to just get the heavier back weight for it.
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    Here is some Synergy Black data comparisons, along with Kuro Kage XD.



    http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1614812-mitsubishi-kuro-kage-xd-shafts/
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    Crooksc17 wrote:


    Does anyone have experience comparing the Pro White to Oban Kiyoshi White?




    IME, they are totally different. The Kiyoshi launches very high with somewhat moderate spin vs the Tensei which is low launch and low spin. Also, the 65g Kiyoshi plays stiffer and much heavier than the 60g Tensei Pro White. Tensei is also smoother.



    Kiyoshi white is a great shaft if it fits what you're looking for.
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    917 F2 13.5* - Rogue Max 70
    816 H2 19.0* - D+ Plus 90
    716 T-MB (3i, 4i) - Modus 120
    716 CB (5-PW) - Modus 120
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    Crooksc17 wrote:


    Does anyone have experience comparing the Pro White to Oban Kiyoshi White?




    IME, they are totally different. The Kiyoshi launches very high with somewhat moderate spin vs the Tensei which is low launch and low spin. Also, the 65g Kiyoshi plays stiffer and much heavier than the 60g Tensei Pro White. Tensei is also smoother.



    Kiyoshi white is a great shaft if it fits what you're looking for.




    I agree on performance. Kiyoshi white is a softer butt profile but the performance of the shaft is close to a Tensei Blue, non pro version. Higher launch and not excessive, but not really low spin either. If you are looking for something similar, non pro Tensei blue would be close and even though the profile is a bit distracted, the Kevlar in the handle of Tensei smooths out the feel. Neither shaft would really be in this there's, as neither is considered low spin.
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    Dang that Synergy looks legit.
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    Artisan VR Pro's by Mike Taylor X100 soft stepped TW Specs
    SM7 52F, 56M, Oven Green Dot Engage 60 TS
    TW Prototype 001

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    cota0429 wrote:


    Dang that Synergy looks legit.




    They really refined the graphics over time. I play everything logo down and that subtle blue Synergy logo just under the grip looks great. I really like it. Performance is just downright spectacular.
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    TollBros wrote:
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    Dang that Synergy looks legit.




    They really refined the graphics over time. I play everything logo down and that subtle blue Synergy logo just under the grip looks great. I really like it. Performance is just downright spectacular.




    I just finished hitting the copperhead 70 TX. What a great feeling shaft. Launches a tad too high and if I can just bring the spin down just a little it would be perfect. Synergy has me drooling though... might be the ticket. Plus everything you post about it it’s hard not to try one.
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    PING G400 LST Diamana LTD D+ 60 TX
    Callaway Rogue Diamana LTD D+ 80 TX
    Artisan VR Pro's by Mike Taylor X100 soft stepped TW Specs
    SM7 52F, 56M, Oven Green Dot Engage 60 TS
    TW Prototype 001

    WITB http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1183320-cota0429-nike-oven-baked-witb-52215/
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    cota0429 wrote:

    TollBros wrote:
    cota0429 wrote:


    Dang that Synergy looks legit.




    They really refined the graphics over time. I play everything logo down and that subtle blue Synergy logo just under the grip looks great. I really like it. Performance is just downright spectacular.




    I just finished hitting the copperhead 70 TX. What a great feeling shaft. Launches a tad too high and if I can just bring the spin down just a little it would be perfect. Synergy has me drooling though... might be the ticket. Plus everything you post about it it’s hard not to try one.




    Copperhead is about as good a feeling shaft as there is. Sort of a Pro Orange with higher spin and launch. The thing I really like about Synergy Black is that it has a very smooth, almost elastic type of linear load. We've got guys as high as 130mph head speed playing it, and some as low as 105. Get the tipping right and you can tune the feel and spin for a wide range of players. I've said this before but even 1/4 inch of tipping in the black means something so if you do decide to go that route, I implore you to let me discuss set up with you so we can really dial it in.
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    That’s crazy that 1/4 inch makes a difference. Any word if the profile is different than the older ones etched M2H093?
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    PING G400 LST Diamana LTD D+ 60 TX
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    Artisan VR Pro's by Mike Taylor X100 soft stepped TW Specs
    SM7 52F, 56M, Oven Green Dot Engage 60 TS
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    cota0429 wrote:


    That’s crazy that 1/4 inch makes a difference. Any word if the profile is different than the older ones etched M2H093?




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    Played the atmos black 7x for a year and after experimenting with both the tensei Pro white and t1100, I went back to the atmos black, I’ve never had more trust in my driver shaft and just feel I can drop it where I want to
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    cota0429 wrote:


    That’s crazy that 1/4 inch makes a difference. Any word if the profile is different than the older ones etched M2H093?




    The Synergy Black is the same profile in every graphical tweak. The new one, in my opinion looks the most finished, but the actual profile is all the same.
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    Rpete33 wrote:


    Played the atmos black 7x for a year and after experimenting with both the tensei Pro white and t1100, I went back to the atmos black, I’ve never had more trust in my driver shaft and just feel I can drop it where I want to




    I can see that. Atmos Black would be more like a Kuro Kàge XD or Dual Core XT. The pro white is softer in the butt which a lot of players don't like. And the t1100 is very counterbanced and stiff feeling. The three shafts are all very different in profile and feel, so if you are comfortable with the Atmos Black balance and profile, then it stands to reason you wouldn't like the other two. Try a Kuro Kàge Dual Core XT sometime. That is much more suited for your profile and balance preference.
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