Big Bad Low Spin Shaft Review - Continuous On Going Information and Data Updates

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  • J13J13 Dad golf Members Posts: 15,261 ✭✭
    edited Jun 1, 2017 #122
    hwu1 wrote:

    J13 wrote:


    Orange was terrible for me. The Kuro Kage XT DC is IMO the best Mitsu shaft.




    The Pro or the V2?




    V2. It was literally the worst shaft i've ever tried.
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  • jleduc2200jleduc2200 Members Posts: 208 ✭✭
    blev2 wrote:


    I got my orange pro in yesterday and got to take it out today.



    Just switched from the v2



    I tipped it an inch and installed the TM adapter playing at 45". For some reason the shaft today felt a little loose and had A LOT of left in it. I was hitting a 60tx in the v2 and this is a 70tx. Didn't experience and left with the v2.



    Any thoughts?




    I've had the same experience. Thinking I'm going to stick with the V2 vs the Pro version. I'm not Ernie Els smooth nor am I Jason Day quick, but the V2 seems to fit my transition and release best at this point. For some reason the Pro Orange felt really soft to me, even with being tipped 1" and I swing in the 115 range. Oddly enough the V2 seems to be able to take all I can throw at it or a smooth one, like the KK DC is described as by many.
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  • blev2blev2 Blev Posts: 447 ✭✭
    I don't know what do think. It was all over the map. The main miss was a hard hook (not my typical miss) but there were even a couple blocks. It felt like the club was flying all over the place when I went at one. Maybe have to just head back to the v2 or maybe give the dual core a try.
  • noodle3872noodle3872 Chilliwack B.C. CanadaMembers Posts: 2,602 ✭✭
    blev2 wrote:


    I don't know what do think. It was all over the map. The main miss was a hard hook (not my typical miss) but there were even a couple blocks. It felt like the club was flying all over the place when I went at one. Maybe have to just head back to the v2 or maybe give the dual core a try.




    I think you are finding out what type of shaft profile your swing jives with best. I have tried counter balanced shafts and they are a bit of a **** shoot. Sometimes I get good results but most times not. I'd love to give the Pro Orange a go but the soft butt (even though it doesn't sound like it plays soft) and I probably won't get along. I have tried just about every shaft profile and I keep coming back to the Kuro Kage Dual Core XT Proto in my driver and Kuro Kage Silver Dual Core TiNi in my fairway wood. No other shaft gives me the combo of accuracy and distance that these shafts provide.
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  • sailfishchrissailfishchris Members Posts: 875 ✭✭
    I love that you do this type of head to head comparison. I just switched from the AD-GP7x to the T-1100 75 in my G LS and loving the T-1100. Funny, my ball flight actually is a little higher with the T-1100 than the GP.
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  • jph4387jph4387 Members Posts: 935 ✭✭
    Can't wait for the rest of the players descriptions.
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  • JStangJStang Members Posts: 2,381 ✭✭
    I put the Pro Orange into play last night with great success. I hit the longest drive I have ever hit not counting big down wind holes.
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  • jph4387jph4387 Members Posts: 935 ✭✭
    JStang wrote:


    I put the Pro Orange into play last night with great success. I hit the longest drive I have ever hit not counting big down wind holes.




    Couldn't agree more. I"m loving mine and I never thought I'd drop my Pro White.
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,843 ✭✭


    Awesome thread.



    Quick question.



    My swing speed is 110-113 with 3-4 AOA. Launch around 13, but I would like to cut a couple 100 RPMs of spin and get it closer to 1900-2000.



    I tried the pro white 60tx, but spin was still around 2300. I have the 10.5 epic sub zero turned down to 9 and weight in the front. I would rather not have to purchase another head if possible.



    Would tip trimming pro white 60tx get me there or 70tx? Or would you recommend another shaft? Pro orange, dc tx, etc.



    TIA




    If you like pro white balance point, take a look at dual core 70tx. It should do just what you are asking.
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,843 ✭✭
    blev2 wrote:


    I got my orange pro in yesterday and got to take it out today.



    Just switched from the v2



    I tipped it an inch and installed the TM adapter playing at 45". For some reason the shaft today felt a little loose and had A LOT of left in it. I was hitting a 60tx in the v2 and this is a 70tx. Didn't experience and left with the v2.



    Any thoughts?




    Balance is actually a little higher with V2. Could be the head is just a bit too heavy based on the balance and additional weight of the shaft. Pull 2-3 grams out of it and see if it doesn't tighten up.
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,843 ✭✭
    macnewma wrote:


    Toll-



    Do you have any dispersion data? I'm hitting and loving the DC XT but the Tensei Orange is piquing my interest. Did the the testers that saw slight improvements with the Orange also see equal or better dispersion?




    Dispersion is mostly going to depend on how consistently you deliver the club head. Balance point and weight play the biggest role here, as well as making sure flex is right. I'd say all things being equal, kkdc XT, pro orange and T1100 are the consistently most accurate.
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  • J13J13 Dad golf Members Posts: 15,261 ✭✭
    TollBros wrote:

    macnewma wrote:


    Toll-



    Do you have any dispersion data? I'm hitting and loving the DC XT but the Tensei Orange is piquing my interest. Did the the testers that saw slight improvements with the Orange also see equal or better dispersion?




    Dispersion is mostly going to depend on how consistently you deliver the club head. Balance point and weight play the biggest role here, as well as making sure flex is right. I'd say all things being equal, kkdc XT, pro orange and T1100 are the consistently most accurate.




    You really need to test an Agera. Let me know I can connect you but one of the most stable shafts on the planet especially for guys like your testers.
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  • HidekiWoodsHidekiWoods Posts: 227 ✭✭
    Thanks, Toll. Should I tip it any or play straight in?



    Anyone looking to get rid of a dual core 70tx, playing length 45.5" w/ epic adapter?







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  • JStangJStang Members Posts: 2,381 ✭✭
    jph4387 wrote:

    JStang wrote:


    I put the Pro Orange into play last night with great success. I hit the longest drive I have ever hit not counting big down wind holes.




    Couldn't agree more. I"m loving mine and I never thought I'd drop my Pro White.




    I hit the Pro White really well too but I had a tendency to turn it over a little too much.
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  • pdiddy3pdiddy3 Members Posts: 337 ✭✭
    I second the Agera review. So stable, so accurate.
  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,843 ✭✭
    J13 wrote:

    TollBros wrote:

    macnewma wrote:


    Toll-



    Do you have any dispersion data? I'm hitting and loving the DC XT but the Tensei Orange is piquing my interest. Did the the testers that saw slight improvements with the Orange also see equal or better dispersion?




    Dispersion is mostly going to depend on how consistently you deliver the club head. Balance point and weight play the biggest role here, as well as making sure flex is right. I'd say all things being equal, kkdc XT, pro orange and T1100 are the consistently most accurate.




    You really need to test an Agera. Let me know I can connect you but one of the most stable shafts on the planet especially for guys like your testers.




    That's a Veylix shaft? I did want to include their 788 but could not find a resource to get one at dealer cost for testing so it wasn't included. We are always open to include anything in these tests and would certainly not mind expanding the range for the next one. I'm going to wrap this one up shortly then I need to get started on the golf ball test results.
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,843 ✭✭


    Thanks, Toll. Should I tip it any or play straight in?



    Anyone looking to get rid of a dual core 70tx, playing length 45.5" w/ epic adapter?




    1/2 inch at your speed would be fine especially with the lighter head with the longer shaft set up.
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,843 ✭✭
    106mph data added. I was able to add the Copperhead data to the rest as well.
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  • noodle3872noodle3872 Chilliwack B.C. CanadaMembers Posts: 2,602 ✭✭
    edited Jun 3, 2017 #140
    I don't see Copperhead data anywhere but the last summary.



    I'm interested to read Kevin's shaft thoughts. Looks like he got a long well with all the shafts pretty well except the Hzrdus Black.
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,843 ✭✭
    edited Jun 3, 2017 #141
    noodle3872 wrote:


    I don't see Copperhead data anywhere but the last summary.



    I'm interested to read Kevin's shaft thoughts. Looks like he got a long well with all the shafts pretty well except the Hzrdus Black.




    Yes I already had posted the earlier data before we received the Copperhead. I'm able to add the data in on the last 3 players but will have to address it separately with the first 4. And yes, Kevin is very consistent and repeatable. He is probably the best guy in terms of hitting every profile with the same consistency and adjusting almost immediately.
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  • J13J13 Dad golf Members Posts: 15,261 ✭✭
    TollBros wrote:

    J13 wrote:

    TollBros wrote:

    macnewma wrote:


    Toll-



    Do you have any dispersion data? I'm hitting and loving the DC XT but the Tensei Orange is piquing my interest. Did the the testers that saw slight improvements with the Orange also see equal or better dispersion?




    Dispersion is mostly going to depend on how consistently you deliver the club head. Balance point and weight play the biggest role here, as well as making sure flex is right. I'd say all things being equal, kkdc XT, pro orange and T1100 are the consistently most accurate.




    You really need to test an Agera. Let me know I can connect you but one of the most stable shafts on the planet especially for guys like your testers.




    That's a Veylix shaft? I did want to include their 788 but could not find a resource to get one at dealer cost for testing so it wasn't included. We are always open to include anything in these tests and would certainly not mind expanding the range for the next one. I'm going to wrap this one up shortly then I need to get started on the golf ball test results.




    It's actually made by Xphlexxx but Veylix makes the shaft for them. It will handle all the speed you can throw at it. The Veylix Rome 788 is another one you should test.
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  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,163 ✭✭
    Am i a dinosaur for still playing the D+?



    I hit it on a LM recently with 108-109 SS and was 2100 rpm around. When i was fit for it in December i was 103ss and 2000rpm. I tend to launch very high and for me it's always been a really good shaft



    I guess surprised it wasn't in the mix given the overall mitsubishi products tested.
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,843 ✭✭
    MtlJeff wrote:


    Am i a dinosaur for still playing the D+?.......



    I guess surprised it wasn't in the mix given the overall mitsubishi products tested.




    I tried to keep it to the newest and hottest shafts on Tour and Golfwrx at this point in time.
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  • manima1manima1 Posts: 688 ✭✭
    JStang wrote:


    I put the Pro Orange into play last night with great success. I hit the longest drive I have ever hit not counting big down wind holes.




    How would you compare it to the KKDC?



    And on a side note, all in good humor, you definitely epitomize the WRX club hoe rep!!
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  • JStangJStang Members Posts: 2,381 ✭✭
    manima1 wrote:

    JStang wrote:


    I put the Pro Orange into play last night with great success. I hit the longest drive I have ever hit not counting big down wind holes.




    How would you compare it to the KKDC?



    And on a side note, all in good humor, you definitely epitomize the WRX club hoe rep!!




    I would say the Tensei Orange is easier for me to work right to left which I prefer. I am somewhat numb to shaft feel but a friend of mine hit my pro orange and the first thing he said was "I Love the feel of this thing. Is it heavier in the butt end?" I could play either and be fine.



    You aren't kidding about the club hoe! Tensei Pro Blue, White, Orange and KK Dual Core all sitting in my garage right now. I am going to sell the white and the blue is in the classifieds. I will probably hang on to the dual core and test it more side by side with the Pro Orange before making a decision between the two.



    For what it's worth, my swing speed tops out around 113 and I have them all tipped 1/2". I have never felt like they are too much shaft for me.
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  • manima1manima1 Posts: 688 ✭✭
    JStang wrote:

    manima1 wrote:

    JStang wrote:


    I put the Pro Orange into play last night with great success. I hit the longest drive I have ever hit not counting big down wind holes.




    How would you compare it to the KKDC?



    And on a side note, all in good humor, you definitely epitomize the WRX club hoe rep!!




    I would say the Tensei Orange is easier for me to work right to left which I prefer. I am somewhat numb to shaft feel but a friend of mine hit my pro orange and the first thing he said was "I Love the feel of this thing. Is it heavier in the butt end?" I could play either and be fine.



    You aren't kidding about the club hoe! Tensei Pro Blue, White, Orange and KK Dual Core all sitting in my garage right now. I am going to sell the white and the blue is in the classifieds. I will probably hang on to the dual core and test it more side by side with the Pro Orange before making a decision between the two.



    For what it's worth, my swing speed tops out around 113 and I have them all tipped 1/2". I have never felt like they are too much shaft for me.




    That's a lot of cash tied up in shafts! However, as you know this high-end stuff is great in re-sale. Low risk purchases when they don't work out.



    I haven't had SS measured in a while but I probably top out around the same as you. I did not tip this shaft but may do 1/2" down the line if only to coax a slightly lower ball flight. I hit everything super high but was nervous about this shaft feeling too boardy.



    My revelation with the KKDC came 2 weekends ago - it loves to be let loose and just seems to get better with firmer swings. It performs great on slower swings and never feels boardy, but my god does it turn into a beast when you let it loose. If it wasn't for this thread I wouldn't even be worried about anything else, but the Pro Orange data here is undeniable.
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  • kmakkmak Members Posts: 135 ✭✭
    Do you think you might get the results posted for us mere mortals (100 mph) before the season is over? image/rockon.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rockon:' />
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    kmak wrote:


    Do you think you might get the results posted for us mere mortals (100 mph) before the season is over? image/rockon.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rockon:' />




    **** man...the guy isn't getting paid by us to do this shat. He will get to it when he gets to it.
  • Ironhorse723Ironhorse723 Members Posts: 805 ✭✭
    That black mamba is sweet and rather intriguing! Is it worth giving up my Dual Core for? I'm pretty happy with it but this is the wrx community haha.
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  • therealjonzonetherealjonzone Members Posts: 2,270 ✭✭
    edited Jun 5, 2017 #151


    That black mamba is sweet and rather intriguing! Is it worth giving up my Dual Core for? I'm pretty happy with it but this is the wrx community haha.




    I've got a Dual Core 70 TX coming as well... Replacing the Rogue Silver 110....any direct comparisons by chance?
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