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  • Club GuruClub Guru Members  121WRX Points: 73Posts: 121 Fairways
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    Interesting update. Today I took my M6 into Roger Dunn with the Rogue white to test against the Sim. My numbers on their launch monitor were the same as at my house. Averaged 290 yards on 2700 rpm with swing speed around 112. Then I put the Rogue White in the Sim. First swing was 320 at 1700 rpm. I didn’t take another shot (I had already played today and had a sore back). I walked out five minutes later with a new sim and no M6.

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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors  5149WRX Points: 444Posts: 5,149 Titanium Tees
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    Very happy to hear you got the results we were looking for, albeit with the new SIM head. It's a funny thing how certain shafts and heads seem to work so well together, and I do suspect you will grow more comfortable with Rogue White as you get time with it. It feels different from Pro Orange so sometimes it takes a few sessions to find your release point again when switching.

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  • mizuno playermizuno player Mizuno player Members  1750WRX Points: 399Posts: 1,750 Platinum Tees
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    Are you seeing anything with the Rogue White in the new SIM compared to say a '16 M2 that would make someone switch heads?

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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors  5149WRX Points: 444Posts: 5,149 Titanium Tees
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    We can achieve the same launch with much more true loft on SIM. It tends to make the driver more controllable. M2 8.5 is exceptionally high in ball speed but some of that has to do with how low a loft you need to play it at. Mine is basically 7 degrees on the face. My SIM is 8.5 on the face and giving me similar numbers with just a bit less spin with the same combo. And I haven't really had any issues with that knuckleball cut that I can sometimes get with M2. SIM will give similar results with better control, at least for me.

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  • mws92mws92 Members  1048WRX Points: 108Posts: 1,048 Platinum Tees
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    Can anyone confirm the butt OD for the Kuro Kage DC 70TX is 0.605"? Trying to get my grip build up correct to match the rest of the set. I expected it to be a bit thicker as other Mitsubishi shafts I'm trying out as well like Pro White/Orange.


    The website has the 70X at 0.622" and unless I'm being an idiot with my calipers I'm not getting that at all.

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  • mizuno playermizuno player Mizuno player Members  1750WRX Points: 399Posts: 1,750 Platinum Tees
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    Interesting Toll. I've been able to loft up my M2 wjotj the White two clicks. Not sure what that makes it? (9.5 head).

    Is it possible to get a 10-10.25° loft on a Sim in tj neutral position? Not sure if you have seen your issue heads yet.

    Otherwise I'll play the M2 until it cracks or caves.

    Once I get new irons I'm going to get a white and put in a SIM 3 wood.

    Thanks for answering my dumb questions. You help is going to help me achieve some goals this year with that White in driver. I'm a broken record I know. My dispersion has Never been this good. I can swing easy, smooth or go hard.

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  • TGonz2TGonz2 Members  2WRX Points: 12Posts: 2 Starters
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    Hey Toll what are the differences in the rogue white 130 70tx and 60tx. Most importantly what’s the difference in spin

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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors  5149WRX Points: 444Posts: 5,149 Titanium Tees
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    Yes we can measure heads to get you the loft you need. We also run a full retail shop with custom build capabilities. We can supply or build you anything.

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    I can't supply that data as we use it fit customers with. I can, however, fit you based on the data if you'd like to go that route.

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  • NiederjrNiederjr Members  55WRX Points: 48Posts: 55 Bunkers
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    Has anyone in here compared the graphite design AD XC to any of these shafts? Especially the pro white and/or orange?

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    Taylormade M5 9 Hzrdus Black
    Cobra F6 Baffler Rip Alpha 70x
    TaylorMade  790 UDI 2 Atmos Blue 8x
    TaylorMade PSI 4, 5 irons KBS Tour V
    TaylorMade PSI Tour 6-PW KBS Tour V
    Cleveland RTX4 50, 54
    Vokey SM7 58 D
  • collje26collje26 Members  802WRX Points: 146Handicap: zeroPosts: 802 Golden Tee
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    Any update on data for the diamana ZF?

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    Ping G410 LST 9 Hzrdus Hulk 70tx
    Ping G410 LST 14.5 Atmos black 8tx
    Ping G 17.5 Rombax P95x
    Ping G410 3 Crossover hzrdus 105tx
    Ping iBlade 4-W Modus 3 120x
    Ping Glide Forged 54/60 Tour Issue S400
    Ping TR1966 Anser WRX
    -Prov1x
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors  5149WRX Points: 444Posts: 5,149 Titanium Tees
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    We won't be adding that data. The shaft is readily available retail so at this point it doesn't make sense to invest the time into anything more on it.


    We do however have a host of new Protos and Tensei AV white and orange available as of Monday, so there will be a data and photo thread, or several, up soon.

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  • MyherobobhopeMyherobobhope hey there, blimpy boy. Flying through the sky so fancy free. Members  3278WRX Points: 870Handicap: 6Posts: 3,278 Titanium Tees
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    I tend to get along with most equipment... I can usually make clubs work for me (I’ve hit my moms senior lady driver well on the range for fun)... for whatever reason, when I’m swinging a hazardous yellow I can hit the ball... just low, dead shots... I’ve tried it in multiple clubs and somehow managed to break the 2 iron with one in it...

    the obvious solution of stop trying to make that shaft work is obvious. I’m curious if you have any thoughts on WHY I can’t hit it...

    ive gamed matrix black ties, aldilas of all make and model, and hit the ventus black in a 60x just fine... I’ve gotten along fine with other project x shafts as well.

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    As of 6/5/20
    9.5 Cobra LTD Pro with Aldila Silver 110 X
    13 Degree Adams Speedline with Aldila Alpha X
    18 Degree Adams A12 with Proforce X
    6-PW Adams CMB with Project X 6.0
    5 iron Sub70 639 CB with S400
    4 iron / utility Sub 70 699 with Proforce 85 gram X
    50, 54, 60 Vokeys
    Tank Counter Balance #7
    Driver and Putter are set for now. Wedges are safe for time being.

  • mtg6193mtg6193 Damn you people, go back to your shantys Stuart, FLMembers  587WRX Points: 143Posts: 587 Golden Tee
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    Maybe stick with your wheelhouse.. the sr lady drivers?

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  • MyherobobhopeMyherobobhope hey there, blimpy boy. Flying through the sky so fancy free. Members  3278WRX Points: 870Handicap: 6Posts: 3,278 Titanium Tees
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    As of 6/5/20
    9.5 Cobra LTD Pro with Aldila Silver 110 X
    13 Degree Adams Speedline with Aldila Alpha X
    18 Degree Adams A12 with Proforce X
    6-PW Adams CMB with Project X 6.0
    5 iron Sub70 639 CB with S400
    4 iron / utility Sub 70 699 with Proforce 85 gram X
    50, 54, 60 Vokeys
    Tank Counter Balance #7
    Driver and Putter are set for now. Wedges are safe for time being.

  • mtg6193mtg6193 Damn you people, go back to your shantys Stuart, FLMembers  587WRX Points: 143Posts: 587 Golden Tee
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    Witb: pb&j and extra socks
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  • MyherobobhopeMyherobobhope hey there, blimpy boy. Flying through the sky so fancy free. Members  3278WRX Points: 870Handicap: 6Posts: 3,278 Titanium Tees
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    ha, they are still expensive on eBay... I was considering a pink aldila for a bit, but for some reason they don’t make it in the weight and flex I want.

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    As of 6/5/20
    9.5 Cobra LTD Pro with Aldila Silver 110 X
    13 Degree Adams Speedline with Aldila Alpha X
    18 Degree Adams A12 with Proforce X
    6-PW Adams CMB with Project X 6.0
    5 iron Sub70 639 CB with S400
    4 iron / utility Sub 70 699 with Proforce 85 gram X
    50, 54, 60 Vokeys
    Tank Counter Balance #7
    Driver and Putter are set for now. Wedges are safe for time being.

  • mtg6193mtg6193 Damn you people, go back to your shantys Stuart, FLMembers  587WRX Points: 143Posts: 587 Golden Tee
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    Watch golfwrx bst or post on want to buy. I sold a kiyoshi purple 6 05 awhile back on bst so i know they come up every now and again.

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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors  5149WRX Points: 444Posts: 5,149 Titanium Tees
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    It's quite counterbanced. Could be that the swingweight is just so light that it throws off your release to a great degree. Interesting issue.

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  • MyherobobhopeMyherobobhope hey there, blimpy boy. Flying through the sky so fancy free. Members  3278WRX Points: 870Handicap: 6Posts: 3,278 Titanium Tees
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    That sounds like a reasonable answer... I am improving my path, but was quite outside and thus depended on timing my hands to stay in play... might have to give it another try when I’m done fixing my swing.

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    As of 6/5/20
    9.5 Cobra LTD Pro with Aldila Silver 110 X
    13 Degree Adams Speedline with Aldila Alpha X
    18 Degree Adams A12 with Proforce X
    6-PW Adams CMB with Project X 6.0
    5 iron Sub70 639 CB with S400
    4 iron / utility Sub 70 699 with Proforce 85 gram X
    50, 54, 60 Vokeys
    Tank Counter Balance #7
    Driver and Putter are set for now. Wedges are safe for time being.

  • PompsPomps Members  1067WRX Points: 85Handicap: 2.5Posts: 1,067 Platinum Tees
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    Anyone have any experience with the new Diamana D Limited? How does it compare to the Diamana D+ limited edition? Would love to also know against KK DC XT....

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    Titleist TS3 8.5* - Fujikura Atmos Tour Spec Patriot 7x 45" (D5)
    Titleist 915f 15*(14.25*) - Diamana Ltd D+ 80x 43" (D4)
    Titleist 816 H1 17* - Fujikura Motore Speeder 8.8x 41" (D4)
    Titleist 915hd 20.5* - Fujikura Motore Speeder 8.8x 40" (D4)
    TaylorMade p790 UDI 2 Iron - Project X Hzrdus Black 85 6.0 (D4; 2* flat)
    Srixon z785 4-9 - Project x6.5; 2* flat 
    Srixon z965 PW - Project x6.5; 2* flat
    Vokey SM6 F-Grind 51* (D5; 2* flat); Vokey SM8 S-Grind 56* (D5; 2* flat) & TaylorMade Hi Toe 60* (D7; 2* flat) - DG Tour Issue s400
    Odyssey Stroke Lab 2 Ball - 34"
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors  5149WRX Points: 444Posts: 5,149 Titanium Tees
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    Closest thing I've seen to Kuro Kàge Dual Core XT is Aldila Proto 1.0 in terms of ball flight and feel. Spin is a shade lower however.

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  • extrastiffextrastiff Members  1366WRX Points: 266Posts: 1,366 Platinum Tees
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    if the smoke green tx and the Accra m5 are I’m there I’m clicking on it. Throw in the new la Bryson offerings and I’m drooling

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    Xr 6* | hulk75tx(tipped 1.5, 44.75 playing length)   /  f9 13*  | hulk95tx (tipped 1.5, 43” playing length)  /  f8+ 16.5 | tzx100m5 (tipped 1.5, 41” playing length)  /   P790udi 17* | x7  /  p790 21*,24* | x7   Forgedonelength 4-p | x7wedge   md4 48*8, 54*10 | x7wedge  /  hitoe 64*5 | x7wedge  /   Phantomx(35”) | stabilitytour /  jumbomax ultralite xl  /  zstarxv



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  • Cruisin1966Cruisin1966 Calgary, ABClubWRX  1162WRX Points: 337Handicap: 7.0Posts: 1,162 ClubWRX
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    **Gamer Bag**
    Driver: Taylormade SIM Max @ 8º (8.75) w/ Fujikura Motore X F3 6S
    Fairway: Callaway Mavrik 4W @ 16.5º w/ ProjectX Evenflow Black 75S
    Hybrid: Sub70 939x 4H @ 21º w/ ProjectX Hybrid 6.0
    Irons: Miura 4-6 (TC-201), 7-PW (MB-101) w/ Mitsubishi MMT 105TX (ss*1)
    Wedges: Artisan Raw 51º, 56º, 61º
    Putter: Artisan 0117

    **Retro Bag**
    Driver: Ping G LS Tec 9º
    Fairway: Titleist 915F 3W 15º
    Hybrid: Cobra Baffler Pro 2H 18º
    Irons: Taylormade RAC Forged CB/TP 3-PW
    Wedges: Wilson Staff FG Tour PMP 52º; Nike VR Pro Forged Brushed Oxide Raw 58º
    Putter: Cleveland Huntington Beach 1

  • SMUGamerSMUGamer Members  789WRX Points: 220Posts: 789 Golden Tee
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    I'm with extrastiff - most definitely want to see the update with all the latest and greatest shafts (mostly the stiffest).

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    Accra isn't a client of ours, and I'll use in house inventory for this, so unfortunately they will not be included unless the company or some outside client wants to submit raw product for inclusion.

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    I've also considered doing a regular segment here about special combos. A little write up about driver/shaft combos we've been seeing that really are highly effective combinations across a range of customers. I'd that goes over well and is popular maybe I can expand on it over time.

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