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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range  4904WRX Points: 251Sponsors Posts: 4,904
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    tommaso05 wrote:


    I was pointed this way by another forum member as I'm interested in seeing/hearing about the test results for these shafts since 1 might be in my near future (and I gotta figure out which might be best). Just wanted to say thanks for going through the testing and compiling everything. I'll be using the info in this thread to make a final decision once that time comes.




    Thank you. I am sorry it's taking so long but I feel like the kid in the exorcist with my head spinning around these days. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
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  • Dirtydawg67Dirtydawg67  78WRX Points: 50Members Posts: 78
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    Can someone explain to me the effects of a counterbalanced shaft? Will I need to add weight to the driver head to be able to feel it during the swing? Currently play the KK DCXT in my driver and KBS Tours in my irons. I gave the PO V2 a go, but think my transition is a little too aggressive. Thinking of trying the PO to see if I pick up a little ball speed.



    Thanks for doing this Toll. The knowledge provided is outstanding and quite eye opening.
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  • bervinbervin  801WRX Points: 4Members Posts: 801
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    Can someone explain to me the effects of a counterbalanced shaft? Will I need to add weight to the driver head to be able to feel it during the swing? Currently play the KK DCXT in my driver and KBS Tours in my irons. I gave the PO V2 a go, but think my transition is a little too aggressive. Thinking of trying the PO to see if I pick up a little ball speed.



    Thanks for doing this Toll. The knowledge provided is outstanding and quite eye opening.




    Also, interested in an educated response to this. Putting a HZRDUS Black in my Ping G. How much weight will I need to add, if any? And is it that dramatic of a difference in SW?
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    D: TaylorMade '17 M1 8* - HZRDUS Black 6.5 62g
    FW: TaylorMade M3 3HL 15.5* - HZRDUS Black 6.5 75g
    H: Ping Anser 20* - HZRDUS Black 6.5 85g
    2i: TaylorMade M2 L.I.F.T. 16* - HZRDUS Black 6.5 85g
    4i: TaylorMade '14 TP MC - DG X100 120
    5i - PW: TaylorMade ' 14 TP MB - DG X100 120
    GW: Callaway MD Forged Raw 52* - DG TI S400
    LW: Callaway MD PM Grind 60* - KBS Tour V 120
    P: Scotty Cameron Studio Select Newport 2
  • Awainer1Awainer1  917WRX Points: 101Members Posts: 917
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    the effect of counterbalancing is pretty simple. The heads nowadays are so big and a counterbalanced shaft allows a player to play a heavier head which for most will give them more ball speed. Some I suppose like this feeling but its all personal preference. I personally would rather have a normally weighted club since its what I'm used to and not try to chase an extra few yards but then again if it gets you extra yards and you dont sacrifice any control than why not?
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  • noodle3872noodle3872 Chilliwack B.C. Canada 2934WRX Points: 399Members Posts: 2,934
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    bervin wrote:

    Can someone explain to me the effects of a counterbalanced shaft? Will I need to add weight to the driver head to be able to feel it during the swing? Currently play the KK DCXT in my driver and KBS Tours in my irons. I gave the PO V2 a go, but think my transition is a little too aggressive. Thinking of trying the PO to see if I pick up a little ball speed.



    Thanks for doing this Toll. The knowledge provided is outstanding and quite eye opening.




    Also, interested in an educated response to this. Putting a HZRDUS Black in my Ping G. How much weight will I need to add, if any? And is it that dramatic of a difference in SW?




    Hzrdus Black is not counter balanced. So all things being equal shaft weight wise, your not going to need to add weight to your head.
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    Callaway Epic Flash SZ Triple Diamond 10.5° driver MCA Diamana ZF 50 S Flex

    Callaway Epic Flash 15° fairway wood MCA Diamana BF 60 S Flex

    Callaway Epic Flash 21° hybrid MCA MMT 90 S Flex

    Mizuno JPX 919 Hot Metal Pro 5-PW Modus3 Tour 105 S flex

    Mizuno S18 Gunmetal Wedges 50-07, 54-12, 58-12 and 62-08 Modus3 115 Wedge

    Odyssey Stroke Lab Ten S

    Titleist Yellow Pro V1x


    Callaway Epic Flash 10.5° driver MCA Diamana DF 50 S Flex

    Callaway Rogue 19° hybrid MCA MMT 90 S Flex

    Odyssey RSX Milled V-Line Fang

  • Awainer1Awainer1  917WRX Points: 101Members Posts: 917
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    correct. hzrdus yellow is the counterbalanced version
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  • bervinbervin  801WRX Points: 4Members Posts: 801
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    noodle3872 wrote:
    bervin wrote:

    Can someone explain to me the effects of a counterbalanced shaft? Will I need to add weight to the driver head to be able to feel it during the swing? Currently play the KK DCXT in my driver and KBS Tours in my irons. I gave the PO V2 a go, but think my transition is a little too aggressive. Thinking of trying the PO to see if I pick up a little ball speed.



    Thanks for doing this Toll. The knowledge provided is outstanding and quite eye opening.




    Also, interested in an educated response to this. Putting a HZRDUS Black in my Ping G. How much weight will I need to add, if any? And is it that dramatic of a difference in SW?




    Hzrdus Black is not counter balanced. So all things being equal shaft weight wise, your not going to need to add weight to your head.




    Thanks for the help! I have a Yellow as well and knew it was counterbalanced so assumed the black was too. You know what they say about assuming...
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    D: TaylorMade '17 M1 8* - HZRDUS Black 6.5 62g
    FW: TaylorMade M3 3HL 15.5* - HZRDUS Black 6.5 75g
    H: Ping Anser 20* - HZRDUS Black 6.5 85g
    2i: TaylorMade M2 L.I.F.T. 16* - HZRDUS Black 6.5 85g
    4i: TaylorMade '14 TP MC - DG X100 120
    5i - PW: TaylorMade ' 14 TP MB - DG X100 120
    GW: Callaway MD Forged Raw 52* - DG TI S400
    LW: Callaway MD PM Grind 60* - KBS Tour V 120
    P: Scotty Cameron Studio Select Newport 2
  • blev2blev2 Blev  461WRX Points: 67Members Posts: 461
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    I made some adjustments with the pro orange and my m1 and have hit it real good the last couple times out. Looking forward to continued fine tuning.
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    Where can I get a Tensei Orange 70TX? The newer version preferred.
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  • Shayan1121Shayan1121  573WRX Points: 35Members Posts: 573
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    Does it have to be a 70? I have a 60 TX V3 available.
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    Link: http://www.golfwrx.c...72-juices-witb/
    Callaway Epic 12.5* w/ AD GP 5 S
    Taylormade M2 HL 3 wood w/ AD DI 6 S
    Callaway Epic 19* Hybrid w/ Speeder 865 S
    Callaway Epic 22* Hybrid w/ Speeder 865 S
    Srixon U65 23* w/ Steelfiber i110 S
    Srixon Z545 LE Black 6-SW w/ Steelfiber i110 S Hardstepped
    Mack Daddy PM 58* w/ Steelfiber i125 S
    Scotty Cameron Prototype Newport 2 Beach CS
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    I just wanted to say I apologize for not finishing this thread yet. I've just been absolutely slammed with profuct testing and have not even been on WRX for more than 5 min in a week. I do promise it will be finished this week.
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  • ZA206ZA206  664WRX Points: 111Members Posts: 664
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    Sold my Tensei Orange V2.... I think it spun a little too much and didn't get along with my tempo. In other news I just ordered a Tensei Pro Orange (new model) that should be here tomorrow! We will see how it stacks up against my 757 gamer.



    ZA
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    TM 2019 M5 460 9.0 with Tensei Pro White 60TX
    TM 2019 M5 15 3W  with Fujikura Atmos Blue TS-7X
    TM 2018 M3 19 & 22 Rescue Hybrids with Fujikura Atmos Blue TS-8X
    718 AP2 (5-PW) with AMT White X100's
    TM 50, 56 & 60 Hi Toe with S400
    TM Ghost Spider S - 34"
  • evansezeevanseze Me & my better half  892WRX Points: 87Members Posts: 892
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    For you guys looking for a Mitsubishi Kuro Kàge Dual Core XT 70tx, I have one that I would trade for a Tensei Pro white 70s. PM me if interested.
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    Callaway Customs Epic SZ 9* Atmos Black 7s
    Exotics CBX 13.5* speeder 757
    Adams LS 19* PX Hb6
    Srixon 745/545 Nippon Tour 125s
    Odyssey Backstryke blade SS 2.0
    Cleveland CBX 54* 60*
  • markjincmarkjinc  1900WRX Points: 0Banned Posts: 1,900
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    evanseze wrote:


    For you guys looking for a Mitsubishi Kuro Kàge Dual Core XT 70tx, I have one that I would trade for a Tensei Pro white 70s. PM me if interested.


    And I have one to sell outright... PM me
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  • hwu1hwu1  38WRX Points: 35Members Posts: 38
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    Lol has this thread turned into a bst?
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  • gioguy21gioguy21 NJ 8086WRX Points: 1,336Members Posts: 8,086
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    hwu1 wrote:


    Lol has this thread turned into a bst?
    agree, could use some cleaning up
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    Epic Flash SZ / 9* (set D/S) / Fujikura Pro 2.0 TS 6X tipped 1.50"
    Epic Flash SZ / 3+ (set -1/N) / HZRDUS Smoke Black 75g 6.5 tipped 2"
    Epic CF17 3i / Tensei PW Hybrid 100TX
    Apex MB Chrome / 3-PW / Modus 130 X
    MD4 Chrome / 52, 56, 60 / DG 115 S200 (for now)
    Piretti Tour 801R / 35.5"

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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range  4904WRX Points: 251Sponsors Posts: 4,904
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    gioguy21 wrote:

    hwu1 wrote:


    Lol has this thread turned into a bst?
    agree, could use some cleaning up




    Seriously. I don't want my thread closed because people can't control themselves.
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  • MobMob Just Another Lefty Indianapolis 3498WRX Points: 178Members Posts: 3,498
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    I have played/tried many of these shafts thanks to Toll Bros and it is interesting how different they can play with the same swing. I really like the Orange V2, but do have to be careful about getting overly aggressive with the swing, or it can become unpredictable. The Tensei Pro White didn't work for me, I think it was the soft butt issue but not sure exactly. I was hoping to love the KKDC 60 TX, but it immediately produced a draw, that could turn into a hook. I am not sure why, it could be too stiff for me but it didn't feel like it. The Atmos Black has proven to be very consistent for me, so it is currently in the bag.



    The Tensei Pro Blue and the Atmos Blue have both been great 3 wood shafts.
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    Cobra F9 Tour length with Tensei Pro Orange 60S shaft
    Callaway Epic Flash SZ 13.5 degree with GD Tour AD IZ 75 stiff
    Callaway Super Hybrid 17 degree with Tensei Pro Orange 80 stiff shaft
    Callaway Rogue 4 hybrid with GD Tour AD IZ 85 stiff hybrid shaft
    TM P790 5-P with Fujikura Pro 95i shaft stiff tour spec
    Ping Glide 2.0 Raw 50 and 54 degree wedge (Currently testing Jaws MD5 56S wedge)
    PM19 62 degree wedge
    TM Spider X Navy Blue 35 inch with white racing stripe
  • coopizzezcoopizzez  216WRX Points: 79Members Posts: 216
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    My take on Tensei Pro Orange... I'll start by saying I've tinkered with the 917 and '16 M2. I took a hard look at the epic and epic SZ, but the head weights were too light. I like to play my driver 44.25"...44.5" max and the Epic heads didn't work for me. I found the Hzrdus black 62g 6.5 a good fit in the 917. I liked the Atmos black 7x and ad tp 7tx in the M2. So I tried the Pro Orange 70tx. I figured it was counterbalanced so I'd go 70 and try it in the 917 tipped an inch. It was ok. Kind of bummed it wasn't awesome. Liked the hzrdus black better and hit the tensei white 60tx yesterday and preferred that. So I thought maybe I should have gone 60tx.



    So I put a TM tip on it. My M2 is hot melted and weighs 204g without an adapter. All I can say is that a heavier head made all the difference for me with the Pro Orange.



    Quite honestly I don't know much about balance points in shafts...but what I learned: hzrdus black and tensei white were great in a 917 head with a 16g weight. Pro orange is fantastic on a heavy M2 head.



    Perhaps I should look into balance point a bit more!
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  • kmakkmak  139WRX Points: 74Members Posts: 139
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    TollBros wrote:


    I just wanted to say I apologize for not finishing this thread yet. I've just been absolutely slammed with profuct testing and have not even been on WRX for more than 5 min in a week. I do promise it will be finished this week.




    Thanks, I can't imagine how much effort you have to put into this. Can't wait to see the mere mortal swing speed data!
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  • tommaso05tommaso05 Columbus, Ohio 254WRX Points: 60Members Posts: 254
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    This thread definitely pointed me in the direction of the Tensei Orange v3 comparing what I wanted out of a shaft to the info provided...unfortunately I wasn't able to try-before-I-buy on any of the shafts in this thread, but the info was good enough for me to purchase an Orange and not feel like it was going to be the wrong shaft, and know I was making a good decision. Got the shaft and hit up the range yesterday and it was spot-on with what I was hoping for. You really don't have to worry about the shaft not working well when you're trying to hit it normal, or smooth one out there, or really get after one. I never feel like I "lose" the shaft. I can control trajectory pretty well, too.



    The counterbalance is interesting. I don't think I've ever played a counterbalanced shaft. I got the 60g version, and even though I know I could handle this in a 70g most of the time, the 60g was the right choice. I'll have to get on a launch monitor and see how this compares to my backup HZRDUS Black 75g. I bet my swing speed is noticeably higher.
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    Callaway GBB Epic SZ 10' - HZRDUS Smoke Black 60g 6.5
    Callaway Epic Flash SZ 15' - HZRDUS Smoke Black 70g 6.5
    Taylormade RBZ Tour 21' hybrid
    Ping i(e1) 4-PW - Project X 6.0 
    Titleist Vokey SM6 50.08F, 54.08M, 60.04L - KBS 610 Wedge
    Odyssey Tank Cruiser 7
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  • J_BirdieJ_Birdie LOFT Issue  1780WRX Points: 116Members Posts: 1,780
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    I find it interesting that the hzrdus black consistently is swung the slowest or toward the bottom is speed.



    The results really look good for the tensei orange for sure



    edit: ay dios mio the pro orange is expensive $$$
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    What's in my bag:
    Cobra F9 Avalance 9* w/ Fujikura ATMOS Black Tour Spec 6X 45"
    Cobra F9 Tour 3W w/ Fujikura ATMOS Black Tour Spec 7X 42.5"
    Taylormade P790 UDI 2i / Diamana D+ 92HY X 1* Up 18* loft
    Cobra Forged Tour 4-PW / Nippon NS Pro Modus 120X 1* Up
    Cobra King Black Wedges 50* & 54* (bent to 55*) Versatile Grind / Nippon NS Pro Modus 120X
    Callaway PM Grind 2 60* Nippon NS Pro Modus 120X
    Odyssey O-Works 7S Black with Superstroke GT 2.0 Pistol Grip 35"
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  • kevin1826kevin1826  191WRX Points: 73Members Posts: 191
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    TollBros have you ever hit the Fujikura 2.0 that DJ plays any comparisons to the shafts you have tested?
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range  4904WRX Points: 251Sponsors Posts: 4,904
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    kevin1826 wrote:


    TollBros have you ever hit the Fujikura 2.0 that DJ plays any comparisons to the shafts you have tested?




    I've hit almost all the Fujikura stuff but DJ plays a proto made just for him.
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    TollBros wrote:


    Hey guys we just signed up for sponsorship so I had some troubles with my personal account for the last 5 days. Basically I couldn't post. I have all the data at the office, just couldn't post it. Thankfully I'm back.




    Gents



    Thanks to TollBros review on here I was comfortable enough to order the DC TX blind, but knowing the profile and typical load/unload patterns that players were having success with this shaft. Just finished a week golf trip that included a 69, which hasn't happened in 3 years for me because of the tee ball. I was consistently 10-15 yards longer than my buddies and in some cases 50 yards, which caused a lot of angst amongst them unfortunately.



    All in all, super happy with the service and knowledge he provides....thanks TB, keep up what the reviews.
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    TollBros wrote:


    Hey guys we just signed up for sponsorship so I had some troubles with my personal account for the last 5 days. Basically I couldn't post. I have all the data at the office, just couldn't post it. Thankfully I'm back.




    Gents



    Thanks to TollBros review on here I was comfortable enough to order the DC TX blind, but knowing the profile and typical load/unload patterns that players were having success with this shaft. Just finished a week golf trip that included a 69, which hasn't happened in 3 years for me because of the tee ball. I was consistently 10-15 yards longer than my buddies and in some cases 50 yards, which caused a lot of angst amongst them unfortunately.



    All in all, super happy with the service and knowledge he provides....thanks TB, keep up what the reviews.




    +1 - bought the DC TX blind and have been super happy. This shaft is capable delivering some ridiculous bombs.
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    M5 9.0->7.5 - Kuro Kage Dual Core 80tx 
    '16 M2HL 16.8 tour issued deep faced - Fujikura 8.3 TS
    zU45 18 degree - S400
    z745 4-PW - S400
    SM6 50.08F - S400 Steel Gray
    SM7 54.10S - S400 Raw
    TM Hi-Toe 60.12ATV - S400 Black
    TM Spider X - Navy
  • MobMob Just Another Lefty Indianapolis 3498WRX Points: 178Members Posts: 3,498
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    Waiting on Joe's assessment, as his swing is probably closer to mine than the big boys.
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    Cobra F9 Tour length with Tensei Pro Orange 60S shaft
    Callaway Epic Flash SZ 13.5 degree with GD Tour AD IZ 75 stiff
    Callaway Super Hybrid 17 degree with Tensei Pro Orange 80 stiff shaft
    Callaway Rogue 4 hybrid with GD Tour AD IZ 85 stiff hybrid shaft
    TM P790 5-P with Fujikura Pro 95i shaft stiff tour spec
    Ping Glide 2.0 Raw 50 and 54 degree wedge (Currently testing Jaws MD5 56S wedge)
    PM19 62 degree wedge
    TM Spider X Navy Blue 35 inch with white racing stripe
  • coreylcoreyl Hacker  1172WRX Points: 124Members Posts: 1,172
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    Mob wrote:


    Waiting on Joe's assessment, as his swing is probably closer to mine than the big boys.


    Me too. Really want to see how Joe did with the Copperhead. Looks like Aldila has a winner with this one!
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    Here is the data from the 3 Mamba shafts everyone has been asking for. Now that my account is fixed and sponsorship approved, I can FINALLY finish this thread.
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