2017 NBA Season (incl Draft / Free Agency)

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  • scratchswingerscratchswinger Members Posts: 16,186 ✭✭
    It was the 16 year old kid and in no way was it racist. Does anyone in this thread listen to any rap music? You hear that word about 10 times a song these days.
  • Yanki01Yanki01 TEXASMembers Posts: 5,974 ✭✭


    It was the 16 year old kid and in no way was it racist. Does anyone in this thread listen to any rap music? You hear that word about 10 times a song these days.




    ..along with mumbling which is the majority. new age rap is trash but i get what you mean. some think the word is racist under certain terms yet it's yelled in music all the time.
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  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,166 ✭✭
    Fans seemed to be a bit lukewarm to Lavar but gave Lonzo a respectful cheer.



    WWE knows how to book people lol, they were smart to give Lonzo his own entrance.
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  • devinh821devinh821 Posts: 554 ✭✭
    Doesn't matter if it's in a song or not. Wrong is wrong. The ball family is given a pass on racial comments for some reason.
  • BoogieThumperBoogieThumper Sweet Jonez Posts: 1,376 ✭✭
    edited Jun 29, 2017 #66
    Ok I'll bite..................even though I KNOW I shouldn't I just cant help myself.



    Many African words to describe important people begin with N.



    The original meaning of the N Word had a connotation to the GODS.

    N-G-R (Egyptian) means GOD

    Negus (Ehiopian) means Emperor



    The word was first corrupted by the Romans and it went downhill from there. WAY WAY downhill.



    I say all that to say there are variations of that word and young Mr Ball was not using the racist version.
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  • Yanki01Yanki01 TEXASMembers Posts: 5,974 ✭✭
    ..but in this day and age everyone is offended by everything. still shouldn't be said despite any term it may mean.



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    in other important news - cp3 to the rockets didn't seem to help the rockets I feel.
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  • tocinotocino Members Posts: 2,252 ✭✭
    Yanki01 wrote:


    ..but in this day and age everyone is offended by everything. still shouldn't be said despite any term it may mean.



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    in other important news - cp3 to the rockets didn't seem to help the rockets I feel.




    Sure it helped the rockets. In much the same way signing KD meant okc would be out of the playoff picture as a serious contender, you can say the clips went from a potential 3-4 seed to basically out of the playoff picture entirely because the rockets took CP3 away
  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,166 ✭✭
    Chris Paul is generally considered a top 10 player in the NBA, Zach Lowe (arguably the best basketball writer in the US) also called him a better defensive player then Patrick Beverley.



    I was there last year saying Durant wouldn't make the Warriors THAT much better since they won 73 games with Barnes/Bogut and they sacrificed depth yada yada. I was 100% wrong



    When you add a legit top 10 player who is also a 2-way player, it's hard for your team to get worse. I know they need to sort out ball dominance issues, but Chris Paul plays like 30 minutes a game and D'antoni is not stubborn like Scotty Brooks here. He'll stagger minutes and Harden will still get 18 minutes to dribble for 20 seconds and then rake someone's arm.



    Barring injury it would be a shock if the Rockets weren't significantly better.



    I mentioned in the other thread but the Rockets have their midlevel exception so don't worry about depth. They have 7 decent players now and will add another quality vet for the 8M midlevel
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  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,166 ✭✭
    I think the most interesting thing for the draft for me, is if the Celtics sign Hayward and then trade for Paul George using the pick they got from Philly (aswell as others, like Crowder and Smart maybe). That's the one thing that i would think makes me understand what they did. Because then they could get George without giving up the Brooklyn pick which is very valuable



    If that doesn't happen i think they got too cute. They had a potential superstar staring them in the face and let a team in their conference have him. Tatum was anywhere from 3-9 on draft boards, he's very Jabari Parker like, i'm just not sure he's a super-star. An Allstar? Maybe. But an elite 2-way wing i don't know.



    I just can't believe they had the top pick in a loaded draft, and traded down to get a guy whose high end comparison is Paul Pierce. When the #1 pick is a guy who except for losing a lot of games is essentially a near-perfect prospect considered to be one of the top 3-4 number one picks of the last 15 years
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  • pinhigh27pinhigh27 Members Posts: 9,573 ✭✭
    Except for losing a lot is a pretty big statement. LeBron as a college freshman could have carried me and you in starting line up to sweet 16 minimum

    Being unable to win 10 games when you're such a "perfect prospect" is a little mind boggling to me.
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  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,166 ✭✭
    I guess time will tell. Most scouts didn't seem too bothered, as they thought the other players on the team were really not good.
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  • pinhigh27pinhigh27 Members Posts: 9,573 ✭✭
    I mean like you said I feel like if Celtics thought he was going to be next megastud they wouldn't have traded down
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  • scratchswingerscratchswinger Members Posts: 16,186 ✭✭
    Lonzo is the GOAT
  • scratchswingerscratchswinger Members Posts: 16,186 ✭✭
    Boston should have drafted Flutz, traded for Butler, and tried to sign Hayward. I think getting Butler for two years for what Minnesota gave up is a better play than risking the trade for George. Once Boston was comfortable with Flutz they could have traded IT since he is about to be overpaid. Boston has a ton of assets, it seems like they are waiting for Westbrook or AD to be available which may never happen.
  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,166 ✭✭
    pinhigh27 wrote:


    I mean like you said I feel like if Celtics thought he was going to be next megastud they wouldn't have traded down




    We'll by the same token the sixers gave up a high first round pick for him though.



    Most scouts had fultz as a clear #1, and see the Celtics as the team that swerved
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  • scratchswingerscratchswinger Members Posts: 16,186 ✭✭
    Danny Ainge is addicted to draft picks.
  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,166 ✭✭


    Danny Ainge is addicted to draft picks.




    He's a hoarder!!!!



    Though like i said if they use the Sixers pick to get George and the Nets pick next year ends up at like #2 or something, i'm sure he'll be forgiving.



    Well, unless Fultz becomes a better defending James Harden and they lose to the Sixers every year (Though Embiid would have to be healthy for that)
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  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,166 ✭✭
    edited Jun 29, 2017 #79


    Boston should have drafted Flutz, traded for Butler, and tried to sign Hayward. I think getting Butler for two years for what Minnesota gave up is a better play than risking the trade for George. Once Boston was comfortable with Flutz they could have traded IT since he is about to be overpaid. Boston has a ton of assets, it seems like they are waiting for Westbrook or AD to be available which may never happen.




    Issue is despite how lackluster the Wolves package seemed, the Celtics couldn't have topped it without trading down. The Nets pick should be untouchable since they will probably suck again next year (they just traded Brook Lopez too). Jaylen Brown is also untouchable. So they could only offer their own pick, plus maybe Marcus Smart and Crowder.



    I think the Wolves package is better than that to be honest
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  • scratchswingerscratchswinger Members Posts: 16,186 ✭✭
    edited Jun 30, 2017 #80
    Cleveland should go after Blake Griffin and try to trade Tristan Thompson and Kevin Love (multi team) for Paul George. LeBron, Kyrie, Blake, and PG13 could beat GS. Offer him a 1 year deal with a second year option. If the team wins it all there is a good chance they can resign all of them to another short contract and do it again.
  • scratchswingerscratchswinger Members Posts: 16,186 ✭✭
    Cleveland gets Paul George and Jared Dudley

    Phoenix gets Kevin Love and Monta Ellis

    Indiana gets Tristan Thompson and Brandon Knight
  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,166 ✭✭
    Paul George and Russell Westbrook!!!! Together!!!!



    Where did I put my Kleenex
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  • Peanut191Peanut191 Members Posts: 1,862 ✭✭
    MtlJeff wrote:


    Paul George and Russell Westbrook!!!! Together!!!!



    Where did I put my Kleenex




    Wow, surprised Indiana couldn't get some sort of draft pick out of the deal too.



    If Sabonis and Oladipo is all it took to get him, I'm wondering how little the frontrunner, Boston, was offering?
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  • scratchswingerscratchswinger Members Posts: 16,186 ✭✭
    Can't see this working.
  • scratchswingerscratchswinger Members Posts: 16,186 ✭✭
    Sources: Kevin Durant is considering a return to OKC in light of the PG trade.
  • pinhigh27pinhigh27 Members Posts: 9,573 ✭✭


    Sources: Kevin Durant is considering a return to OKC in light of the PG trade.




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    How to be in better shape for golf?
    Become a better athlete.
    Don't worry about golf specific.
    Compound lifts w/ linear progress
    Don't forget the mobility work.
    More results, more functional

    Spin is not your enemy, everything is a trade-off.
    17 * 1700 goes really far, but doesn't go very straight or consistent
    8* 3500 goes really straight, but doesn't go very far
    Answer for most is somewhere in the middle.
    Pga tour driver avg launch conditions: 11* 2700
  • pinhigh27pinhigh27 Members Posts: 9,573 ✭✭
    I don't understand these teams giving up young guys to contend now in West. You aren't going to beat gs.
    How to be in better shape for golf?
    Become a better athlete.
    Don't worry about golf specific.
    Compound lifts w/ linear progress
    Don't forget the mobility work.
    More results, more functional

    Spin is not your enemy, everything is a trade-off.
    17 * 1700 goes really far, but doesn't go very straight or consistent
    8* 3500 goes really straight, but doesn't go very far
    Answer for most is somewhere in the middle.
    Pga tour driver avg launch conditions: 11* 2700
  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,166 ✭✭
    They have no choice, if you have Westbrook, harden, lebron, Kawhi you have to try because they will leave otherwise. And the whole point of the league is getting guys like that, so if you have them you have to try.



    Daryl morey would never pay a 37yr old 40m...but he has to because he has harden



    George could leave for sure, but it's a risk they have to take



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  • devinh821devinh821 Posts: 554 ✭✭
    Dude. Indiana may be in worse shape than Charlotte now. That's the worst trade I've ever heard of. Why did they not send him to Boston for all they asked for?



    Sometimes the NBA does the dumbest things.
  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,166 ✭✭
    devinh821 wrote:


    Dude. Indiana may be in worse shape than Charlotte now. That's the worst trade I've ever heard of. Why did they not send him to Boston for all they asked for?



    Sometimes the NBA does the dumbest things.




    Lowe reported that they asked Boston for the nets and sixers pick. Which seems very greedy.... Than they take this package, which seems underwhelming



    Do people just hate Danny Ainge?
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  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,166 ✭✭
    It's kind of fascinating to see really. The Warriors and Lebron have changed the league to where there's maybe only 6-7 teams really trying



    The teams trying are either teams that have a generational super-star (Kawhi, Lebron, Westbrook, Harden, Durant, Curry are clearly the top 6 players and guys you can contend with as the best player on your team) , or teams that have no way of getting one but are locked into very good veteran players so will just take the #4 seed and try to make money (Toronto is a good example, Portland is kind of in this territory, Charlotte), or teams that have their future superstars already who are too good to bottom out, so they might as well try (Milwaukee, Minnesota, Denver)



    Even Boston was not willing to mortgage their future and they were the #1 seed last year. The reason is simply they don't have a generational superstar, would have had to give up way too much to get one to MAYBE contend, and it wasn't worth it



    So yeah, like 75% of the league is like "you know what, hoard assets for a few years....let's do that"



    But the 6-7-8 teams that are trying? They are getting guys at pretty good deals. Both Butler and George went cheap
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