TP5x faulty cover?

txaggolfertxaggolfer ClubWRX Posts: 30
After reading some solid reviews regarding the new TP5x golf balls from Taylormade, I went out and purchased 2 sleeves. I was really, really impressed with the performance of the first sleeve in practice.



With that said, I have noticed some durability issues.



#1 - I managed to top one and it caught the edge of a retaining wall, and it literally left a half inch long crack where you could see inside the cover.



I've had similar incident occur before (though not as severe) and so I thought nothing of it and decided to buy two boxes.



I played in a tournament over the weekend and went through 5 balls in 7 holes due to excessive wear.



1 - Caught a tree and put a pin sized whole through the cover



1- Caught a cart path and scuffed the cover excessively



3 - Were played tee to green with no incident but ended being taken out of play due to excessive scuffing.





I can add pictures later, but has anyone noticed anything similar or did I maybe get a bad batch?
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  • jlrgolfjlrgolf Members Posts: 15 ✭✭
    I think you may have gotten a bad batch. I've played quite a few rounds with that ball and have been impressed with their durability
  • gioguy21gioguy21 NJMembers Posts: 7,611 ✭✭
    So, two of the 5 were your fault for errant shots. The others were swapped due to 'excessive scuffing' with no pics.



    Sorry man but sometimes it's not the balls.

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  • GoIrish17GoIrish17 Members Posts: 5,652 ✭✭
    I don't think I could classify the damage your balls showed as due to "normal wear and tear". If I'm whacking balls all over the course and hitting everything not running, I'd hardly blame the ball if it got some damage. Urethane balls are going to show more damage to the cover due to being softer, so maybe if you're used to a surlyn covered ball you aren't used to your balls getting as dinged up from hitting things?



    Honestly, what did you expect after hitting retaining walls, cart paths, and trees? Would you call a ball faulty if it got a cut from being run over by a lawn mower?
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  • txaggolfertxaggolfer ClubWRX Posts: 30
    gioguy21 wrote:


    So, two of the 5 were your fault for errant shots. The others were swapped due to 'excessive scuffing' with no pics.



    Sorry man but sometimes it's not the balls.




    Slightly harsh comment, and I don't disagree except for the fact I have not noticed the same issues as quickly when playing ProV1, SuperSoft, or Z Star. (or Pentas, TPs, etc).



    Since I didn't see it in the first sleeve, I was leaning more towards a bad box.
  • gioguy21gioguy21 NJMembers Posts: 7,611 ✭✭
    txaggolfer wrote:
    gioguy21 wrote:


    So, two of the 5 were your fault for errant shots. The others were swapped due to 'excessive scuffing' with no pics.



    Sorry man but sometimes it's not the balls.




    Slightly harsh comment, and I don't disagree except for the fact I have not noticed the same issues as quickly when playing ProV1, SuperSoft, or Z Star. (or Pentas, TPs, etc).



    Since I didn't see it in the first sleeve, I was leaning more towards a bad box.


    Not harsh man at all, didnt mean it to be...u have to realize what your asking though. Cart paths, trees, retaining walls are NOT normal wear and tear. Also, did you hit out of bunkers with the other ones? Seems reasonable to see a mark or two from bunker shots...outside of that its what you can expect now and then from premium soft golf balls.





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  • Hot Rod 71Hot Rod 71 #TheWRX ClubWRX, BST Volunteer Mods Posts: 8,880 ClubWRX
    I not sure hitting retaining walls, trees, and cart paths qualifies as normal play.
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  • SocratesSocrates How can it be so *&#% hard to make a shoulder turn? WinnipegClubWRX Posts: 9,307 ClubWRX
    Haven't experienced anything with the ones I've used. Not any better or worse the ProV1's.
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  • cristphotocristphoto Members Posts: 3,345 ✭✭
    I have not seen inusual wear on the TPX balls. If I don't hit a path they look great after 18 holes.
  • robrey85robrey85 Gamblers Bonus Las VegasMembers Posts: 2,133 ✭✭
    Most of you guys sounds like ultra pro golfer snobs. image/stop.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':stop:' />



    We all don't play perfect golf so give the man a break. image/busted_cop.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':busted_cop:' />



    In terms of my average round, regardless how crappy I may or may not play, I found the TP5x durability compared to a B330(-S) was below average. My typical round is different then your typical round because I might hit a tree or two, or hit my ball off some dirt because that's how I roll. So like OP, I am comparing durability between my average round, not a +10 index average round.
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  • tarmactrrtarmactrr Members Posts: 180
    I'm not sure they are being designed to wear based on hitting various objects. They are being designed to wear better based off clubface impacts. That said, they are the most durable ball I've ever used. I've been using one TP5x in my sim now for almost 2 months. There is probably 1000-1200 impacts on it, and it's cover is still in decent shape and it's still producing good ballspeed and spin numbers.



    Most other tour level balls I've used will die by 400-500 impacts.
  • spartY84spartY84 Members Posts: 93 ✭✭
    Awesome question.



    Get better and don't hit random s*** that was meant to penalize a , you know, golfer.



    Good luck in finding your magic golf ball.
  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Members Posts: 12,026 ✭✭
    I'm with you .. I had same issue on pure shots ... posted in my review of them



    Ie missing cover on a single dimple ... number of times



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  • drewtaylor21drewtaylor21 I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious Las Vegas, NVMembers Posts: 2,843 ✭✭
    OP,



    I've found the same issue with the TP5x and durability. It does not hold up well when it hits anything other than grass or a clubhead, and even then I've found some wedge shots will create more cover wear than I like to see. I love the actual performance of the ball, but I've experienced some unusual wear on a few occasions. I distinctly remember one such occasion where I hit a tee shot on a par 3 that landed and bounced in lush rough, then bounced once on a cartpath, and rolled into a sandy area. I got to my ball and found a large gash on the cover that wasn't there when I tee'd off. One secondary bounce on a cartpath wouldn't result in such a big gash in other premium balls I've played. I've had several other experiences like this that make me believe it simply does not hold up well to "unusual" surfaces - pieces of the cover missing, etc.



    Obviously you are getting lit up for having the audacity to complain about a ball not performing well when you hit it in the wrong places, but IMO, if you hit this ball into a tree vs. another premium ball, the TP5x is going to come out worse for wear much more often, so I think you have a reasonable point. As RobRey said above, most of us are going to hit a bad shot or two a round! You shouldn't have to change your ball every time this happens.



    An interesting sidenote, I was on the WRX trip to TM's Kingdom back in February and actually got to see their ball plant and talk with the guys in charge there. They specifically told us that they test cover durability in all kinds of unusual circumstances. They'll go out to Home Depot and buy a few bricks of varying materials to simulate a cartpath and then fire the ball out of a "cannon" at the bricks. They clearly try to take these kinds of things into account, but I do agree with you, they didn't pull this one off. Again, performance is great! But durability is not it's strong-suit.
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  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,483 ✭✭
    I don't have a ton of experience with them, 2-3 rounds total and two balls both of which were tp5x



    They still look brand new basically.
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  • GoIrish17GoIrish17 Members Posts: 5,652 ✭✭
    robrey85 wrote:


    Most of you guys sounds like ultra pro golfer snobs. image/stop.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':stop:' />



    We all don't play perfect golf so give the man a break. image/busted_cop.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':busted_cop:' />



    In terms of my average round, regardless how crappy I may or may not play, I found the TP5x durability compared to a B330(-S) was below average. My typical round is different then your typical round because I might hit a tree or two, or hit my ball off some dirt because that's how I roll. So like OP, I am comparing durability between my average round, not a +10 index average round.




    I didn't see anyone say they don't encounter the same pitfalls during a round. I only saw people say they don't question the durability of their ball when they hit brick walls, cart paths, trees, etc.



    I, too, compare durability of balls. It is a major concern of mine, because I am willing to sacrifice some slight benefits if a ball doesn't get fish gills every time I strike it with a wedge- unfortunately I don't get golf balls for free. But, I just dismiss any damage from hitting anything on a course other than a club face or grass. That's on me, which is the sentiment most are trying to convey here.
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    GoIrish17 wrote:

    robrey85 wrote:


    Most of you guys sounds like ultra pro golfer snobs. image/stop.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':stop:' />



    We all don't play perfect golf so give the man a break. image/busted_cop.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':busted_cop:' />



    In terms of my average round, regardless how crappy I may or may not play, I found the TP5x durability compared to a B330(-S) was below average. My typical round is different then your typical round because I might hit a tree or two, or hit my ball off some dirt because that's how I roll. So like OP, I am comparing durability between my average round, not a +10 index average round.




    I didn't see anyone say they don't encounter the same pitfalls during a round. I only saw people say they don't question the durability of their ball when they hit brick walls, cart paths, trees, etc.



    I, too, compare durability of balls. It is a major concern of mine, because I am willing to sacrifice some slight benefits if a ball doesn't get fish gills every time I strike it with a wedge- unfortunately I don't get golf balls for free. But, I just dismiss any damage from hitting anything on a course other than a club face or grass. That's on me, which is the sentiment most are trying to convey here.




    You clearly missed my point. My point is that everyone judges durability of a ball based on their average round and what happens in that round, not based on a perfect round of golf. Agree or disagree, this is what happens mang!
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  • GoIrish17GoIrish17 Members Posts: 5,652 ✭✭
    robrey85 wrote:

    GoIrish17 wrote:

    robrey85 wrote:


    Most of you guys sounds like ultra pro golfer snobs. image/stop.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':stop:' />



    We all don't play perfect golf so give the man a break. image/busted_cop.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':busted_cop:' />



    In terms of my average round, regardless how crappy I may or may not play, I found the TP5x durability compared to a B330(-S) was below average. My typical round is different then your typical round because I might hit a tree or two, or hit my ball off some dirt because that's how I roll. So like OP, I am comparing durability between my average round, not a +10 index average round.




    I didn't see anyone say they don't encounter the same pitfalls during a round. I only saw people say they don't question the durability of their ball when they hit brick walls, cart paths, trees, etc.



    I, too, compare durability of balls. It is a major concern of mine, because I am willing to sacrifice some slight benefits if a ball doesn't get fish gills every time I strike it with a wedge- unfortunately I don't get golf balls for free. But, I just dismiss any damage from hitting anything on a course other than a club face or grass. That's on me, which is the sentiment most are trying to convey here.




    You clearly missed my point. My point is that everyone judges durability of a ball based on their average round and what happens in that round, not based on a perfect round of golf. Agree or disagree, this is what happens mang!




    I can see what you're saying, but personally I don't judge a ball's durability based on damage incurred by hitting things that golf balls aren't meant to hit. But, like you said, reasonable folks can agree to disagree. Not sure what mang is.
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  • jwb10jwb10 Major Winner MarsMembers Posts: 940 ✭✭
    robrey85 wrote:


    Most of you guys sounds like ultra pro golfer snobs. image/stop.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':stop:' />



    We all don't play perfect golf so give the man a break. image/busted_cop.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':busted_cop:' />



    In terms of my average round, regardless how crappy I may or may not play, I found the TP5x durability compared to a B330(-S) was below average. My typical round is different then your typical round because I might hit a tree or two, or hit my ball off some dirt because that's how I roll. So like OP, I am comparing durability between my average round, not a +10 index average round.


    So, if u stink it's the ball ? image/cheesy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':cheesy:' /> image/nyam.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':nyam:' /> image/bye.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wave:' />
  • robrey85robrey85 Gamblers Bonus Las VegasMembers Posts: 2,133 ✭✭
    jwb10 wrote:

    robrey85 wrote:


    Most of you guys sounds like ultra pro golfer snobs. image/stop.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':stop:' />



    We all don't play perfect golf so give the man a break. image/busted_cop.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':busted_cop:' />



    In terms of my average round, regardless how crappy I may or may not play, I found the TP5x durability compared to a B330(-S) was below average. My typical round is different then your typical round because I might hit a tree or two, or hit my ball off some dirt because that's how I roll. So like OP, I am comparing durability between my average round, not a +10 index average round.


    So, if u stink it's the ball ? image/cheesy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':cheesy:' /> image/nyam.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':nyam:' /> image/bye.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wave:' />




    Let's just say, I won't be buying any PXGs, haha.
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  • Need2golfalotNeed2golfalot Members Posts: 674
    tarmactrr wrote:


    I'm not sure they are being designed to wear based on hitting various objects. They are being designed to wear better based off clubface impacts. That said, they are the most durable ball I've ever used. I've been using one TP5x in my sim now for almost 2 months. There is probably 1000-1200 impacts on it, and it's cover is still in decent shape and it's still producing good ballspeed and spin numbers.



    Most other tour level balls I've used will die by 400-500 impacts.




    Sounds like a clinical evaluation to me.
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    The older Srixon ZUR, ZURs,and ZURc were also notorious for having damage like that. Now the Z Stars are the most durable Tour level balls.



  • GoIrish17GoIrish17 Members Posts: 5,652 ✭✭
    xxio wrote:


    The older Srixon ZUR, ZURs,and ZURc were also notorious for having damage like that. Now the Z Stars are the most durable Tour level balls.




    IMHO, the Z Stars used to be the the most durable balls out there, by miles. Which is why they were my preferred golf ball. But, they've come back to the pack in that regard. Seems like since they started calling the cover "Spin Skin", they have become less durable with very little noticeable difference in performance for this amateur golfer. I haven't played this season's version, even though I have a couple dozen in the basement, so I can't speak to the most recent version in that regard until I hit them. I hope they've sorted that out.
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  • One_Putt_BlunderOne_Putt_Blunder Members Posts: 10,811 ✭✭
    Gone through 9 TP5x and about 9 TP5 so far in my testing while not the best ball durability wise compared to say a Srixon Z star i certainly haven't noticed anything excessive to warrant taking it out of play.

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  • xxioxxio Members Posts: 5,680 ✭✭
    Thank you for the info. I switched to the Chrome soft.. about 2 years ago so I haven't been playing the Z Stars lately.



    I hadn't been playing well and the Z Stars (then) felt terrible when you don't compress the ball well. I went to the CS and only try other balls maybe 4-5rounds a year.

    Thank you for the info. I switched to the Chrome soft.. about 2 years ago so I haven't been playing the Z Stars lately.



    I hadn't been playing well and the Z Stars (then) felt terrible when you don't compress the ball well. I went to the CS and only try other balls maybe 4-5rounds a year.
  • JonesyJonesy Members Posts: 1,538 ✭✭
    A friend of mine regularly took pieces of the cover off of the TP5X, he hits it hard though, 120mph with a driver regularly, he goes through these balls at a rate. It's winter my side of the world currently so the ground is firm and hard here and these TP5X's don't last, I noticed that they looked tired after every round whereas the XV was in much better condition. these TP5's just don't seem to last.
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  • txaggolfertxaggolfer ClubWRX Posts: 30
    I appreciate all of the feedback and conversation. I want to say that I love the ball and its performance.



    Also, I definitely agree that just about any ball is going to show some kind of wear from colliding with a hard object at 100mph, particularly scuffs.



    In the standard golf use, I did not see have any wear issues with the stand alone sleeves. But when I purchased the box, it seems like the first two sleeves had issues with scuffs on full shots, not wedges, after just one or two holes.



    In the non-typical golf round area, what I am also saying is that I have never seen a brand new ball completely crack through the cover on one swing regardless of what it hits (minus a lawnmower blade), or seen a tree limb put a visible hole in the cover. Scuffs, discoloration, etc....yes. This type of damage...no.
  • jdmorris1980jdmorris1980 Members Posts: 1,505 ✭✭
    Every manufacturer is the pushing the limits of design and materials to make a better ball. I have found similar with just about every premium ball out there. If you get some that are on the minus end of the +/- tolerance the covers are going to be super thin and cut easy. This comes with it sadly, no ball is exempt from this type of damage. They are all good and I have played most of them and I still prefer the lethal to any other ball, and that is mostly due to a comfort factor of playing it for 3+ years. Just realize that part of manufacturing is allowable tolerances or everything would be so expensive we couldn't buy it.
  • MBBGMBBG Members Posts: 1,464 ✭✭
    I had been playing a TP5 #3 for probably 45 holes before I finally lost it in the drink on Sunday. About 1/3 of the lettering and part of one of the numbers was worn off, and there were a few little scuffs and nicks, but it was still plenty good enough to keep playing. It had hit several trees and probably a path at some point too.



    Sounds like you just got some out of tolerance ones or something
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  • ShilgyShilgy PhoenixMembers Posts: 11,540 ✭✭
    Hot Rod 71 wrote:


    I not sure hitting retaining walls, trees, and cart paths qualifies as normal play.
    Well gee, it does for some of us! image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> I have been playing the TP5X since they came out and if I don't hit any retaining walls or cart paths easily last a couple rounds. Let me know if someone is able to come up with a "soft" cover impervious to wear.
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  • HotdoctaHotdocta Members Posts: 245 ✭✭
    I love the performance of these balls- but, i too, have seen durability issues. I do not have excessive spin on my shots and after 1 round the cover is scuffed up and has burrs on it
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