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  • Schley Schley Love ya don't tell ya enough! Kingdom of Saudi ArabiaMembers Posts: 1,179 ✭✭
    What mowers are the best for greens? My club is putting together a bid for new ones.
  • BNGLBNGL Members Posts: 1,685 ✭✭
    Schley wrote:
    What mowers are the best for greens? My club is putting together a bid for new ones.




    Ask your mechanics, as to what they prefer to work on. Personally I much prefer Jacobsen mowers and equipment, although lately their service has gone to total horse ****. Our 3 mechanics are probably the best in the business, and they despise our Jake fairway units.



    Right now I've got 24 John Deere walkers 12 26 inch mowers for tees and 12 18 inch floating head mowers for greens, plus an additional 6 fixed head walkers to use for sand mowing. 6 triplex mowers to use for vertical cutting, brushing, or mowing in summer when we are closed, or just to mow quickly. They cut very well, one complaint I have is that the reels on the walkers are dependent on the drive. What I mean is you have to have the throttle running full speed to get the reel moving full speed. The Jacobsen walkers had an independent drive for the reels, so one can walk slowly/controlled and still get a good cut.
  • mallratmallrat Members Posts: 2,958 ✭✭
    Do your triplexes leave tire marks?
  • BNGLBNGL Members Posts: 1,685 ✭✭
    mallrat wrote:
    Do your triplexes leave tire marks?




    Not really, right after the mow yeah, but our turf is firm and resilient enough to bounce back by lunch. The only real thing to be weary of is following the same direction every time you mow, because then it'll leave a wear pattern.
  • DukeOfChinoHillsDukeOfChinoHills Orange County, CAMembers Posts: 321 ✭✭
    Earlier today, Phil Mickelson said the USGA should use a "halver" (sp?) to measure the green speeds at Shinnecock Hills instead of, "...a piece of wood that they lift." (Stimpmeter) I've been around golf for a while and never heard that term. What is a halver and why does Phil think it's more accurate than a Stimpmeter?
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  • mallratmallrat Members Posts: 2,958 ✭✭
    This is weird to me because what does it really matter, the speeds are the same speeds for everyone, who cares how they are measured (directed at Phil not you). Just seems like he’s already building an excuse.



    I look at green speeds this way. One of the courses I work at was designed by Jack Nicklaus. Jack came out about a year after the opening and played the course. Half way through the round he asked the Super (or Dir of Agronomy, same guy but forget his title back then) how fast the greens were.



    Super shrugs is shoulders and says “I don’t know”



    Jack “don’t you have a Stimp reading”



    Super “nope but they are the way I like them”



    Jack “what do you mean?”



    Super “they are fast as h3ll but not so baked i’ll Lose the greens. Now does it really matter the stimp? Isn’t that what practice putting greens are for?”
  • BNGLBNGL Members Posts: 1,685 ✭✭
    edited Jun 7, 2018 #158
    Earlier today, Phil Mickelson said the USGA should use a "halver" (sp?) to measure the green speeds at Shinnecock Hills instead of, "...a piece of wood that they lift." (Stimpmeter) I've been around golf for a while and never heard that term. What is a halver and why does Phil think it's more accurate than a Stimpmeter?




    First off modern stimps aren’t pieces of wood, and I have not the slightest idea what a halver is. I’ll do some research. I like Phil, but he’s often too smart for his own good. Even if you measure speeds with something different, and use different units of measure. Once you convert it to feet and inches at 12.5 is still a 12.5.
  • oldschoolrockeroldschoolrocker Members Posts: 5,095 ✭✭
    Any helpful advice would be greatly appreciated.



    Have an ongoing “mole” problem at the course I work part time at. Have been fighting them for the last two years with limited success using smoke, bait (granular and worms,) and traps. Thinking of purchasing a couple of solar power sonic devices to test out.

    I understand about eliminating the food source, but, somethings are out of my control.



    Any strategy out there that’s working?



    Thanks in advance.
  • BNGLBNGL Members Posts: 1,685 ✭✭
    Any helpful advice would be greatly appreciated.



    Have an ongoing “mole” problem at the course I work part time at. Have been fighting them for the last two years with limited success using smoke, bait (granular and worms,) and traps. Thinking of purchasing a couple of solar power sonic devices to test out.

    I understand about eliminating the food source, but, somethings are out of my control.



    Any strategy out there that’s working?



    Thanks in advance.




    Man we have that same problem too. We have some success with poison, just dotting the disturbed earth with the “mole candies”. We have traps in the summer that are effective as well.
  • RobYakesRobYakes "You can talk to a fade but a hook won't listen" Washington, D.C.Members, ClubWRX Posts: 341 ✭✭
    Thanks BNGL for doing this, super insightful. A few random questions from a grass layman...



    1) What is the general go-to grass type for muni greens? I ask because I grew up playing in Southern California and have played out here in the DC area and have only once come across completely different greens than what I'm used to. It was in the Pinehurst area, and the grass had no particular grain, it seemed to grow in every direction and made putting complete luck (to be fair it was mid August so I doubt they were keeping them a bit longer due to heat).



    2) I imagine that you've spent the majority of your working career in the industry at private or resort clubs, but what, in your opinion, would be some "quick" fixes maybe more fiscally strapped munis could do to improve their course conditions or keep their courses in better condition due to use and wear (i.e. move the pins more often, etc.)?



    3) What are some of your pet peeves as a super when it comes to current golf course design that may seem necessary in terms of routing/length/etc. but from a maintenance standpoint is a waste of money or time?



    4) Also in terms of golf course design, as a super is this current trend of "minimalist" design (aka Tom Doak) actually easier to maintain? And do you think the golfing public would/could grow accustom to more natural-looking courses where brown-out is seen as normal and not "poor quality"?
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  • BNGLBNGL Members Posts: 1,685 ✭✭
    RobYakes wrote:


    Thanks BNGL for doing this, super insightful. A few random questions from a grass layman...



    1) What is the general go-to grass type for muni greens? I ask because I grew up playing in Southern California and have played out here in the DC area and have only once come across completely different greens than what I'm used to. It was in the Pinehurst area, and the grass had no particular grain, it seemed to grow in every direction and made putting complete luck (to be fair it was mid August so I doubt they were keeping them a bit longer due to heat).



    2) I imagine that you've spent the majority of your working career in the industry at private or resort clubs, but what, in your opinion, would be some "quick" fixes maybe more fiscally strapped munis could do to improve their course conditions or keep their courses in better condition due to use and wear (i.e. move the pins more often, etc.)?



    3) What are some of your pet peeves as a super when it comes to current golf course design that may seem necessary in terms of routing/length/etc. but from a maintenance standpoint is a waste of money or time?



    4) Also in terms of golf course design, as a super is this current trend of "minimalist" design (aka Tom Doak) actually easier to maintain? And do you think the golfing public would/could grow accustom to more natural-looking courses where brown-out is seen as normal and not "poor quality"?






    Thanks for the questions. Let me give some thought to these questions and get back to this by Sunday night at the latest.
  • augustgolfaugustgolf Golf with dignity Coastal NCMembers Posts: 3,902 ✭✭
    BNGL wrote:

    RobYakes wrote:


    Thanks BNGL for doing this, super insightful. A few random questions from a grass layman...



    1) What is the general go-to grass type for muni greens? I ask because I grew up playing in Southern California and have played out here in the DC area and have only once come across completely different greens than what I'm used to. It was in the Pinehurst area, and the grass had no particular grain, it seemed to grow in every direction and made putting complete luck (to be fair it was mid August so I doubt they were keeping them a bit longer due to heat).



    2) I imagine that you've spent the majority of your working career in the industry at private or resort clubs, but what, in your opinion, would be some "quick" fixes maybe more fiscally strapped munis could do to improve their course conditions or keep their courses in better condition due to use and wear (i.e. move the pins more often, etc.)?



    3) What are some of your pet peeves as a super when it comes to current golf course design that may seem necessary in terms of routing/length/etc. but from a maintenance standpoint is a waste of money or time?



    4) Also in terms of golf course design, as a super is this current trend of "minimalist" design (aka Tom Doak) actually easier to maintain? And do you think the golfing public would/could grow accustom to more natural-looking courses where brown-out is seen as normal and not "poor quality"?






    Thanks for the questions. Let me give some thought to these questions and get back to this by Sunday night at the latest.


    .

    Hey, friend....give 'em the old slow play.....



    Take care!
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  • BNGLBNGL Members Posts: 1,685 ✭✭
    edited Jun 8, 2018 #164
    augustgolf wrote:

    BNGL wrote:

    RobYakes wrote:


    Thanks BNGL for doing this, super insightful. A few random questions from a grass layman...



    1) What is the general go-to grass type for muni greens? I ask because I grew up playing in Southern California and have played out here in the DC area and have only once come across completely different greens than what I'm used to. It was in the Pinehurst area, and the grass had no particular grain, it seemed to grow in every direction and made putting complete luck (to be fair it was mid August so I doubt they were keeping them a bit longer due to heat).



    2) I imagine that you've spent the majority of your working career in the industry at private or resort clubs, but what, in your opinion, would be some "quick" fixes maybe more fiscally strapped munis could do to improve their course conditions or keep their courses in better condition due to use and wear (i.e. move the pins more often, etc.)?



    3) What are some of your pet peeves as a super when it comes to current golf course design that may seem necessary in terms of routing/length/etc. but from a maintenance standpoint is a waste of money or time?



    4) Also in terms of golf course design, as a super is this current trend of "minimalist" design (aka Tom Doak) actually easier to maintain? And do you think the golfing public would/could grow accustom to more natural-looking courses where brown-out is seen as normal and not "poor quality"?






    Thanks for the questions. Let me give some thought to these questions and get back to this by Sunday night at the latest.


    .

    Hey, friend....give 'em the old slow play.....



    Take care!




    lol I guess I am more laid-back than most but, but I do not get frustrated by slow play. I am not sure why though. I feel like I have other distractions that others have, significant other, house, job, pets. But I love every moment on the golf course. Golf has been the greatest thing I have ever discovered, and I wish everyone shared/saw golf the way that I do. Because I would not be where I am without golf, it paid for my school (all of it), got me my girlfriend (who is absolutely incredible btw), employs me, introduced me to some people (celebrity, political, athlete, CEO) that I would never have otherwise been able to meet.



    Those are good questions, and I wanna give good answers.
  • augustgolfaugustgolf Golf with dignity Coastal NCMembers Posts: 3,902 ✭✭
    BNGL wrote:

    augustgolf wrote:

    BNGL wrote:

    RobYakes wrote:


    Thanks BNGL for doing this, super insightful. A few random questions from a grass layman...



    1) What is the general go-to grass type for muni greens? I ask because I grew up playing in Southern California and have played out here in the DC area and have only once come across completely different greens than what I'm used to. It was in the Pinehurst area, and the grass had no particular grain, it seemed to grow in every direction and made putting complete luck (to be fair it was mid August so I doubt they were keeping them a bit longer due to heat).



    2) I imagine that you've spent the majority of your working career in the industry at private or resort clubs, but what, in your opinion, would be some "quick" fixes maybe more fiscally strapped munis could do to improve their course conditions or keep their courses in better condition due to use and wear (i.e. move the pins more often, etc.)?



    3) What are some of your pet peeves as a super when it comes to current golf course design that may seem necessary in terms of routing/length/etc. but from a maintenance standpoint is a waste of money or time?



    4) Also in terms of golf course design, as a super is this current trend of "minimalist" design (aka Tom Doak) actually easier to maintain? And do you think the golfing public would/could grow accustom to more natural-looking courses where brown-out is seen as normal and not "poor quality"?






    Thanks for the questions. Let me give some thought to these questions and get back to this by Sunday night at the latest.


    .

    Hey, friend....give 'em the old slow play.....



    Take care!




    lol I guess I am more laid-back than most but, but I do not get frustrated by slow play. I am not sure why though. I feel like I have other distractions that others have, significant other, house, job, pets. But I love every moment on the golf course. Golf has been the greatest thing I have ever discovered, and I wish everyone shared/saw golf the way that I do. Because I would not be where I am without golf, it paid for my school (all of it), got me my girlfriend (who is absolutely incredible btw), employs me, introduced me to some people (celebrity, political, athlete, CEO) that I would never have otherwise been able to meet.



    Those are good questions, and I wanna give good answers.




    And I feel the same way as you.



    I couldn't work a 9-5 job in an office, and altho I did extremely well in outside sales, it is golf that makes me want to get up everyday 2 hours before dawn, and work til 2 hours after sunset.



    It's people like you who make the profession great, and I, for one, am glad that people like you still exist in the business, because a lot have quit.



    Hope all is well....drop a PM someday, and we can try to catch up a little!
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  • BNGLBNGL Members Posts: 1,685 ✭✭
    augustgolf wrote:
    BNGL wrote:

    augustgolf wrote:

    BNGL wrote:

    RobYakes wrote:


    Thanks BNGL for doing this, super insightful. A few random questions from a grass layman...



    1) What is the general go-to grass type for muni greens? I ask because I grew up playing in Southern California and have played out here in the DC area and have only once come across completely different greens than what I'm used to. It was in the Pinehurst area, and the grass had no particular grain, it seemed to grow in every direction and made putting complete luck (to be fair it was mid August so I doubt they were keeping them a bit longer due to heat).



    2) I imagine that you've spent the majority of your working career in the industry at private or resort clubs, but what, in your opinion, would be some "quick" fixes maybe more fiscally strapped munis could do to improve their course conditions or keep their courses in better condition due to use and wear (i.e. move the pins more often, etc.)?



    3) What are some of your pet peeves as a super when it comes to current golf course design that may seem necessary in terms of routing/length/etc. but from a maintenance standpoint is a waste of money or time?



    4) Also in terms of golf course design, as a super is this current trend of "minimalist" design (aka Tom Doak) actually easier to maintain? And do you think the golfing public would/could grow accustom to more natural-looking courses where brown-out is seen as normal and not "poor quality"?






    Thanks for the questions. Let me give some thought to these questions and get back to this by Sunday night at the latest.


    .

    Hey, friend....give 'em the old slow play.....



    Take care!




    lol I guess I am more laid-back than most but, but I do not get frustrated by slow play. I am not sure why though. I feel like I have other distractions that others have, significant other, house, job, pets. But I love every moment on the golf course. Golf has been the greatest thing I have ever discovered, and I wish everyone shared/saw golf the way that I do. Because I would not be where I am without golf, it paid for my school (all of it), got me my girlfriend (who is absolutely incredible btw), employs me, introduced me to some people (celebrity, political, athlete, CEO) that I would never have otherwise been able to meet.



    Those are good questions, and I wanna give good answers.




    And I feel the same way as you.



    I couldn't work a 9-5 job in an office, and altho I did extremely well in outside sales, it is golf that makes me want to get up everyday 2 hours before dawn, and work til 2 hours after sunset.



    It's people like you who make the profession great, and I, for one, am glad that people like you still exist in the business, because a lot have quit.



    Hope all is well....drop a PM someday, and we can try to catch up a little!




    Well thank you very much my friend! Appreciate it. I totally agree there’s a bunch of great people in the industry, and hopefully many more aren’t driven away by the constant negativity (little pay, no time to play etc) associated with the job. No kidding, you gotta work to get the biscuits. Will do. Take care and play lots of golf this summer!
  • BNGLBNGL Members Posts: 1,685 ✭✭
    RobYakes wrote:


    Thanks BNGL for doing this, super insightful. A few random questions from a grass layman...



    1) What is the general go-to grass type for muni greens? I ask because I grew up playing in Southern California and have played out here in the DC area and have only once come across completely different greens than what I'm used to. It was in the Pinehurst area, and the grass had no particular grain, it seemed to grow in every direction and made putting complete luck (to be fair it was mid August so I doubt they were keeping them a bit longer due to heat).



    2) I imagine that you've spent the majority of your working career in the industry at private or resort clubs, but what, in your opinion, would be some "quick" fixes maybe more fiscally strapped munis could do to improve their course conditions or keep their courses in better condition due to use and wear (i.e. move the pins more often, etc.)?



    3) What are some of your pet peeves as a super when it comes to current golf course design that may seem necessary in terms of routing/length/etc. but from a maintenance standpoint is a waste of money or time?



    4) Also in terms of golf course design, as a super is this current trend of "minimalist" design (aka Tom Doak) actually easier to maintain? And do you think the golfing public would/could grow accustom to more natural-looking courses where brown-out is seen as normal and not "poor quality"?




    As far as a standard grass, there really is not one. Ideally, you pick the one that is in harmony with the climate and budget. If you can stick to those principles, you can save yourself a ton of headaches.



    I would say regularly scheduled and properly executed aerifications, top dressings, verticutting and other necessary cultural practices. A lot of clubs tend to shy away from it, because of the perceived loss of revenue, and as a result will not perform cultural practices if not absolutely necessary. By doing those regularly you should have a healthy and dense turf stand that can recover quickly and withstand wear. That is not true for greens, but tee, and fairways, collars and approaches.



    Green speeds. They are far too fast nowadays, because everyone wants firm fast greens for whatever reason. But the theres an old saying, "Rolling 8, life is great." that is true on so many fronts because slower greens are far easier to maintain. The grass is typically kept a little bit longer, and the greens are a little bit softer. Short and firm playing surfaces are really expensive and can be difficult to maintain, because you are more susceptible to diseases, pests, and suffocation of the root zone. But this is the ultimate do as I say, not as I do. I have gotten my greens as fast as 15+ this past season, not on purpose they just got that fast and were healthy enough we could push them (I thought that they would max out at around 14.5, but I got 15 feet plus on a majority of greens). That is what my members want, and expect. Although I know that i could drop a few shots off every members index if I merely slowed the greens down and made them more receptive to stinger chips shots my members are prone to hitting.



    I am not too sure, I have not worked on a "minimalist" golf course. I would assume so, because you simply have less turf to maintain, my guess is you just weed it and occasionally groom the sand or waste areas. I hope so, I thought that the US Open at Pinehurst was exquisite, and I hope that more players can come to accept a little brown here and there. That brown is not necessarily indicative of poor course conditioning. Again, this is a do as I say not as I do, because I am given more than an adequate budget there better not be a blade of grass out of place lol.
  • Roadking2003Roadking2003 AustinMembers Posts: 5,542 ✭✭
    mallrat wrote:


    This is weird to me because what does it really matter, the speeds are the same speeds for everyone, who cares how they are measured (directed at Phil not you). Just seems like he's already building an excuse.



    I look at green speeds this way. One of the courses I work at was designed by Jack Nicklaus. Jack came out about a year after the opening and played the course. Half way through the round he asked the Super (or Dir of Agronomy, same guy but forget his title back then) how fast the greens were.



    Super shrugs is shoulders and says "I don't know"



    Jack "don't you have a Stimp reading"



    Super "nope but they are the way I like them"



    Jack "what do you mean?"



    Super "they are fast as h3ll but not so baked i'll Lose the greens. Now does it really matter the stimp? Isn't that what practice putting greens are for?"




    I care. I think most golfers would like to know the Stimp. Then decide what speed they like. They might be surprised.



    Does it matter? No, but I would like to know.



    And BTW, if the greenskeeper isn't measuring the speed, how does he know all the greens are the same or nearly the same.



    And shouldn't a club have a target Stimp rather than leave it to the daily whims of the greenskeeper.
  • BNGLBNGL Members Posts: 1,685 ✭✭
    edited Jun 11, 2018 #169

    mallrat wrote:


    This is weird to me because what does it really matter, the speeds are the same speeds for everyone, who cares how they are measured (directed at Phil not you). Just seems like he's already building an excuse.



    I look at green speeds this way. One of the courses I work at was designed by Jack Nicklaus. Jack came out about a year after the opening and played the course. Half way through the round he asked the Super (or Dir of Agronomy, same guy but forget his title back then) how fast the greens were.



    Super shrugs is shoulders and says "I don't know"



    Jack "don't you have a Stimp reading"



    Super "nope but they are the way I like them"



    Jack "what do you mean?"



    Super "they are fast as h3ll but not so baked i'll Lose the greens. Now does it really matter the stimp? Isn't that what practice putting greens are for?"




    I care. I think most golfers would like to know the Stimp. Then decide what speed they like. They might be surprised.



    Does it matter? No, but I would like to know.



    And BTW, if the greenskeeper isn't measuring the speed, how does he know all the greens are the same or nearly the same.



    And shouldn't a club have a target Stimp rather than leave it to the daily whims of the greenskeeper.




    If I may, most average golfers do not know what a stimpmeter is or how we measure green speeds. They just know that it is a number measured in feet and inches the higher the faster. And you're 100 percent correct, a majority of time, they are surprised when I tell them the speed. When I was working a premier resort course in Orlando, I rarely got them above 11 (only during FSGA events or especially PGA Show week id work on getting them faster). But for a majority of players, that was way too fast.



    Just playing devils advocate here, but a few of the most storied clubs in the world of golf, have different speeds for different greens....intentionally. As they should because every green is totally separate from the others on the property. One may be pitched severely enough that a well struck shot will not hold, one green may have too many hills and valleys, or one hole might be particularly exciting if players can go for the green knowing that they can hold it because it is softer than the others. One such club hosts an event every April.



    Ultimately relating to mallrats post, the whole idea of agronomy is to keep things in balance. If i get going to far one way or the other, conditions will get bad and I will blow my budget on products and man-hours to get things back in balance. BUT if you are in balance long enough, then you can push hard for certain events. Because you will have healthy turf. Ultimately it comes down to communication, if there is going to be a significant change in speeds, just say so ad heres why.
  • raynorfan1raynorfan1 Members Posts: 3,571 ✭✭
    BNGL wrote:


    mallrat wrote:


    This is weird to me because what does it really matter, the speeds are the same speeds for everyone, who cares how they are measured (directed at Phil not you). Just seems like he's already building an excuse.



    I look at green speeds this way. One of the courses I work at was designed by Jack Nicklaus. Jack came out about a year after the opening and played the course. Half way through the round he asked the Super (or Dir of Agronomy, same guy but forget his title back then) how fast the greens were.



    Super shrugs is shoulders and says "I don't know"



    Jack "don't you have a Stimp reading"



    Super "nope but they are the way I like them"



    Jack "what do you mean?"



    Super "they are fast as h3ll but not so baked i'll Lose the greens. Now does it really matter the stimp? Isn't that what practice putting greens are for?"




    I care. I think most golfers would like to know the Stimp. Then decide what speed they like. They might be surprised.



    Does it matter? No, but I would like to know.



    And BTW, if the greenskeeper isn't measuring the speed, how does he know all the greens are the same or nearly the same.



    And shouldn't a club have a target Stimp rather than leave it to the daily whims of the greenskeeper.




    If I may, most average golfers do not know what a stimpmeter is or how we measure green speeds. They just know that it is a number measured in feet and inches the higher the faster. And you're 100 percent correct, a majority of time, they are surprised when I tell them the speed. When I was working a premier resort course in Orlando, I rarely got them above 11 (only during FSGA qualifiers or the PGA Show week id work on getting them faster). But for a majority of players, that was way too fast.



    You bring up a good point, the stimp




    I’ve said it on other threads...but no good comes from posting “stimp” speeds. We have a couple of high end public courses nearby that do, and they ALWAYS show their greens somewhere between 12’ and 13’. They’re really more like 9, but it’s a victimless crime, right?
  • BNGLBNGL Members Posts: 1,685 ✭✭
    edited Jun 11, 2018 #171
    raynorfan1 wrote:
    BNGL wrote:


    mallrat wrote:


    This is weird to me because what does it really matter, the speeds are the same speeds for everyone, who cares how they are measured (directed at Phil not you). Just seems like he's already building an excuse.



    I look at green speeds this way. One of the courses I work at was designed by Jack Nicklaus. Jack came out about a year after the opening and played the course. Half way through the round he asked the Super (or Dir of Agronomy, same guy but forget his title back then) how fast the greens were.



    Super shrugs is shoulders and says "I don't know"



    Jack "don't you have a Stimp reading"



    Super "nope but they are the way I like them"



    Jack "what do you mean?"



    Super "they are fast as h3ll but not so baked i'll Lose the greens. Now does it really matter the stimp? Isn't that what practice putting greens are for?"




    I care. I think most golfers would like to know the Stimp. Then decide what speed they like. They might be surprised.



    Does it matter? No, but I would like to know.



    And BTW, if the greenskeeper isn't measuring the speed, how does he know all the greens are the same or nearly the same.



    And shouldn't a club have a target Stimp rather than leave it to the daily whims of the greenskeeper.




    If I may, most average golfers do not know what a stimpmeter is or how we measure green speeds. They just know that it is a number measured in feet and inches the higher the faster. And you're 100 percent correct, a majority of time, they are surprised when I tell them the speed. When I was working a premier resort course in Orlando, I rarely got them above 11 (only during FSGA qualifiers or the PGA Show week id work on getting them faster). But for a majority of players, that was way too fast.



    You bring up a good point, the stimp




    I’ve said it on other threads...but no good comes from posting “stimp” speeds. We have a couple of high end public courses nearby that do, and they ALWAYS show their greens somewhere between 12’ and 13’. They’re really more like 9, but it’s a victimless crime, right?




    Absolutely I totally agree. There’s nothing good from posting them. All it is a contest to see how big it is, it just doesn’t matter. There’s some notoriety amongst players, “oh such and such Club has greens at 12”.....or “oh I heard that over there was 12.5.” Any time I speak with members of our club that rave about green speeds of other clubs they’re members at, I just smile and say, “oh wow”. Then I make a call and get the real speed from director of grounds, who just laughs and says, “about 1.5 to 2 feet slower”



    It’s not a victimless crime...it puts me in a weird situation where I have to say no to a member, because he/she is a dope. I can’t tell them straight up they’re lying to me, so I have to get creative.
  • mallratmallrat Members Posts: 2,958 ✭✭
    We actually are trying to dial ours back a bit on the private course. Yesterday I did a single roll and they were pushing 13. The turf is completely healthy enough to handle it but that isn’t what our Director of Agronomy feels is best for the members.
  • BNGLBNGL Members Posts: 1,685 ✭✭
    mallrat wrote:


    We actually are trying to dial ours back a bit on the private course. Yesterday I did a single roll and they were pushing 13. The turf is completely healthy enough to handle it but that isn't what our Director of Agronomy feels is best for the members.




    Thats good to hear!
  • DestroyerDestroyer Members Posts: 334 ✭✭
    Very cool thread. This is the side of golf that I enjoy. My full time job is about 50-60 hours a week and last year I took on a part time job. I began working in the maint. side of things at a golf course. It's pretty **** neat to start mowing greens at 6 in the morning and watch the sun come up. Sometimes I will work in the evenings doing practice divots and blowing the range off and various other things. I really enjoy it. The course I get to work at is The Honors Course in Ooltewah, Tn.
  • oldschoolrockeroldschoolrocker Members Posts: 5,095 ✭✭
    BNGL,

    I’m trying out those “solar powered sonic devices” to see if I can effectively keep the moles off the short grass. I’ll post the results here after I have a chance to evaluate.
  • caniac6caniac6 Members Posts: 2,784 ✭✭
    Watching the greens turn brown at the US Open, is there ever a time when the super stops listening to the USGA, or the PGA at a normal tour event, and just say the heck with you guys, I'm not going to let you kill my greens.
  • raynorfan1raynorfan1 Members Posts: 3,571 ✭✭
    caniac6 wrote:


    Watching the greens turn brown at the US Open, is there ever a time when the super stops listening to the USGA, or the PGA at a normal tour event, and just say the heck with you guys, I'm not going to let you kill my greens.




    Not at the US Open - the contract is that the USGA dictates everything and you should expect the place to be dead on Monday.
  • BNGLBNGL Members Posts: 1,685 ✭✭
    caniac6 wrote:


    Watching the greens turn brown at the US Open, is there ever a time when the super stops listening to the USGA, or the PGA at a normal tour event, and just say the heck with you guys, I'm not going to let you kill my greens.




    No. Not during the US Open or any major, maybe Augusta but I doubt it. I have been a part of US Open setups, and a Ryder Cup. I have put out some product on a Wednesday night of an event, because we recognized the symptoms and knew that it would look bad come the weekend. But it was rarely anything that would burn or adversely affect the conditioning of the golf course, it was mostly just dye. I have gone as far as sodding a couple areas Thursday morning, redoing the landscape for TV Friday morning because the plants had checked out and we liked to have the name of the club under the 18th leaderboard, or removing pine straw and replacing with pine bark at the player walkways. At the US Open though, USGA agronomy staff gets it, they're are some of the best supers in the game, (If you guys complain about course conditions, ask USGA agronomists lol I'm going back and forth with the guy that does our annual site visits right now), I highly doubt they would let anything get that bad needing immediate attention.....except in 2004....oh and Olympic that one year the ball wouldn't stop on 18.
  • spud3spud3 Portland, ORMembers Posts: 1,618 ✭✭
    BNGL wrote:

    caniac6 wrote:


    Watching the greens turn brown at the US Open, is there ever a time when the super stops listening to the USGA, or the PGA at a normal tour event, and just say the heck with you guys, I'm not going to let you kill my greens.




    No. Not during the US Open or any major, maybe Augusta but I doubt it. I have been a part of US Open setups, and a Ryder Cup. I have put out some product on a Wednesday night of an event, because we recognized the symptoms and knew that it would look bad come the weekend. But it was rarely anything that would burn or adversely affect the conditioning of the golf course, it was mostly just dye. I have gone as far as sodding a couple areas Thursday morning, redoing the landscape for TV Friday morning because the plants had checked out and we liked to have the name of the club under the 18th leaderboard, or removing pine straw and replacing with pine bark at the player walkways. At the US Open though, USGA agronomy staff gets it, they're are some of the best supers in the game, (If you guys complain about course conditions, ask USGA agronomists lol I'm going back and forth with the guy that does our annual site visits right now), I highly doubt they would let anything get that bad needing immediate attention.....except in 2004....oh and Olympic that one year the ball wouldn't stop on 18.




    And Chambers Bay....
    "take that, you miserable little white swine!"
  • BNGLBNGL Members Posts: 1,685 ✭✭
    spud3 wrote:
    BNGL wrote:

    caniac6 wrote:


    Watching the greens turn brown at the US Open, is there ever a time when the super stops listening to the USGA, or the PGA at a normal tour event, and just say the heck with you guys, I'm not going to let you kill my greens.




    No. Not during the US Open or any major, maybe Augusta but I doubt it. I have been a part of US Open setups, and a Ryder Cup. I have put out some product on a Wednesday night of an event, because we recognized the symptoms and knew that it would look bad come the weekend. But it was rarely anything that would burn or adversely affect the conditioning of the golf course, it was mostly just dye. I have gone as far as sodding a couple areas Thursday morning, redoing the landscape for TV Friday morning because the plants had checked out and we liked to have the name of the club under the 18th leaderboard, or removing pine straw and replacing with pine bark at the player walkways. At the US Open though, USGA agronomy staff gets it, they're are some of the best supers in the game, (If you guys complain about course conditions, ask USGA agronomists lol I'm going back and forth with the guy that does our annual site visits right now), I highly doubt they would let anything get that bad needing immediate attention.....except in 2004....oh and Olympic that one year the ball wouldn't stop on 18.




    And Chambers Bay....




    Chambers Bay wasn’t directly there fault, it was the ultimate bad combination of weather and decisions made well in advance of the US Open. Could it have been managed better? Absolutely.
  • oldschoolrockeroldschoolrocker Members Posts: 5,095 ✭✭
    The jury is still out on the sonic devices, with regards to our mole problem, but, so far the initial results are looking very positive.
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