Could a Scratch Golfer break 85 at Augusta?

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  • Railroading13Railroading13 NebraskaMembers Posts: 605 ✭✭
    Yes
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  • golf1010golf1010 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭
    Yes 85 is no problem for a legit scratch

    80 is probably 1 in 10

    If he had 4 practice rds and a good caddy 85 gets broken half the time
  • tideridertiderider Members Posts: 1,469 ✭✭
    edited Aug 13, 2017 #34
    zero chance he breaks 85 at august under tournament conditions ... well, maybe 1 % ...



    claims like this are great, tho, if only to illuminate the people who have no clue how tough tournament golf at the pro level is ...



    roberto castro shot 79 and 81 this past year ... he plays golf ... tournament golf, which has its own pressure ... but he plays for a living, which is a different cat ... and he's not good enough to have guaranteed tour status every year ... so some tourney player who's never played a course that has augusta's undulating fairways (often overlooked), undulating greens, along with their speed, would be just 5 shots worse than a tour pro ...







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  • 300yard+300yard+ Members Posts: 723 ✭✭
    depends on the speed of the greens and pin locations...If it plays like Sunday 4get it...
  • golfer929golfer929 Posts: 230 ClubWRX


    depends on the speed of the greens and pin locations...If it plays like Sunday 4get it...
    It is Sunday tournament conditions
  • The PearlThe Pearl Posts: 1,951 ✭✭
    edited Aug 13, 2017 #37
    While a tournament scratch lends some credibility, it would depend on how one defines tournament scratch. Local tourney's? Regional amateur level? USGA amateur level? A good proxy starting point would be the Master's low amateur scores. For those that have made the cut, there scores have roughly ranged from par or so to 3 or 4 over per round. These are the top amateur's in the world with practice rounds, experienced caddies and at least some high level knowledge of the course. Certainly not scratch golfers.



    The big difference of course would be no crowd.



    Your good solid local tournament scratch, cold, no caddy, no practice with Masters course conditions. Close to zero chance. I would bet a sizeable amount of money against breaking 90.
  • stu_manstu_man Posts: 555
    Ok..ok..ok.. I'm a scratch golfer so let's get this thing rolling. Someone get in touch with Augusta National and I'll go out there the week before the Masters and give it a shot. Maybe they could get a few celebs to play with me and you never know.. maybe televise it.
  • tideridertiderider Members Posts: 1,469 ✭✭
    just emailed billy ... sent this back:



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  • LlortamaiseyLlortamaisey Members Posts: 5,873 ✭✭
    I know an almost scratch golfer (+1), who breaks 80 all the time in the Masters on the weekend.
  • DCOTTINDCOTTIN Member Members Posts: 84
    Yes
  • driverheaddriverhead Members Posts: 866
    I know someone who played in the Masters as an amateur in the mid 70s. He got in finishing in the semis of the US Amateur the previous year. He was one of the 2 best amateurs in the DC area back in the 70s. He shot 75 75 and missed the cut.
  • Darth PutterDarth Putter Members Posts: 4,570 ✭✭
    stu_man wrote:


    Ok..ok..ok.. I'm a scratch golfer so let's get this thing rolling. Someone get in touch with Augusta National and I'll go out there the week before the Masters and give it a shot. Maybe they could get a few celebs to play with me and you never know.. maybe televise it.




    I've got a better shot at breaking 72 from the tips at Augusta National than actually playing there.
    swing is irrelevant, score is everything

    just say NO.... to practice swings
  • mizuno playermizuno player Mizuno player Members Posts: 1,300 ✭✭
    driverhead wrote:


    I know someone who played in the Masters as an amateur in the mid 70s. He got in finishing in the semis of the US Amateur the previous year. He was one of the 2 best amateurs in the DC area back in the 70s. He shot 75 75 and missed the cut.






    Marty West? Dude was a machine.
  • Big BenBig Ben Members Posts: 8,920 ✭✭
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  • sekrahsekrah Posts: 845 ClubWRX
    edited Aug 13, 2017 #46
    85? More often than not. 80 Once in a while.



    These people who think scratch amateurs would automatically shoot in the 90s on PGA tour conditions make me LOL every time I read it. Playing in a casual round for no prizes, I'd bet on scratch golfer breaking 80 about 20% of the time.



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  • titleistman1titleistman1 Members Posts: 44
    I think it's doable if they have a good day. Ive been lucky enough to play AN with a friend who's a 5 hcp, drives it a legit 300 and he was even going to the back. I think he shot a 79 from the back tees, Sunday pins. He pulled a Rory on 10 and spieth on 12. Greens weren't tourney conditions probably stimping 13-14.



    I'm a 9 hcp and shot 91 89 94 from member tees. Course is actually not that hard from member tees.
  • driverheaddriverhead Members Posts: 866

    driverhead wrote:


    I know someone who played in the Masters as an amateur in the mid 70s. He got in finishing in the semis of the US Amateur the previous year. He was one of the 2 best amateurs in the DC area back in the 70s. He shot 75 75 and missed the cut.






    Marty West? Dude was a machine.




    No it wasnt Marty. Marty was the best in the area. He won the individual ACC tournament at Woodmont beating the likes of Lanny Wadkins..
  • Hawkeye77Hawkeye77 Countdown to The Masters! ClubWRX Posts: 17,352 ClubWRX


    I know an almost scratch golfer (+1), who breaks 80 all the time in the Masters on the weekend.




    Sandbagger!
  • LlortamaiseyLlortamaisey Members Posts: 5,873 ✭✭
    Hawkeye77 wrote:


    I know an almost scratch golfer (+1), who breaks 80 all the time in the Masters on the weekend.




    Sandbagger!




    Haha. I guess Jeff is lucky he doesn't have to turn in his Aug Nat scores.
  • Dave230Dave230 Posts: 3,748 ✭✭
    Most people say that Augusta is quite generous off the tee if you hit it a good distance. So it really depends on the scratch player's short game. If it's the weakest part of his game, he may well struggle to hit 80. If he's a short hitting scratch, he may struggle to hold greens and may struggle to hit 80. If he's long/decent short game, he has a decent chance.



    If he's actually playing in the tournament, with that pressure, then he's probably way over 80.
  • golferdrmjrgolferdrmjr Members Posts: 956 ✭✭
    MtlJeff wrote:


    Wait can we clarify here, are we talking tournament "conditions" only, or an actual tournament with fans?



    I played Torrey south a few weeks before the tournament when the rough was in, from the one up tees and shot 81 with new clubs and didn't hit it super well. Qmany shot 69 that day as a +1.



    Obviously Augusta is harder but we're talking shooting 84 here not winning a tournament and unless I'm mistaken it's not even in front of fans
    Jeff, I hate to rain on your parade, but you guys played the two up tees. The Pro tees are not even marked 50 weeks out of the year. The tees one behind you were the taupe tees from 7,051 yards. There's another 600 yards behind those! :-)
  • TerpFangolferTerpFangolfer Members Posts: 576 ✭✭
    golfer929 wrote:


    Friend and I were having a discussion. He says he could do it and would not only break 85, but 80 as well! Stipulations are no caddie, no cart, no walking the course beforehand, and 1 hour warmup before the round. Sunday tournament conditions, from the back tees. He said he wouldn't make a double bogey, and would birdie #13. What do you all think?




    I say no way with true Master's Sunday conditions (esp if dry/windy)...as someone said - the "par" for a scratch Am is basically ~78...
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  • lowheellowheel LOWHEEL Members Posts: 5,974 ✭✭
    golfer929 wrote:


    Friend and I were having a discussion. He says he could do it and would not only break 85, but 80 as well! Stipulations are no caddie, no cart, no walking the course beforehand, and 1 hour warmup before the round. Sunday tournament conditions, from the back tees. He said he wouldn't make a double bogey, and would birdie #13. What do you all think?




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  • lowheellowheel LOWHEEL Members Posts: 5,974 ✭✭
    edited Aug 13, 2017 #57

    golfer929 wrote:


    Friend and I were having a discussion. He says he could do it and would not only break 85, but 80 as well! Stipulations are no caddie, no cart, no walking the course beforehand, and 1 hour warmup before the round. Sunday tournament conditions, from the back tees. He said he wouldn't make a double bogey, and would birdie #13. What do you all think?




    I say no way with true Master's Sunday conditions (esp if dry/windy)...as someone said - the "par" for a scratch Am is basically ~78...




    no way. its like 81-82 minimum more if windy. 99.9% of scratches have never played 13.5 greens



    I played Baltusrol with the assistant pro and 2 future web.com players the tuesday after the monday finish at the PGA in 2005. we couldnt break 75. were all competitive pro golfers on various tours, think about it
  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,163 ✭✭
    edited Aug 13, 2017 #58

    MtlJeff wrote:


    Wait can we clarify here, are we talking tournament "conditions" only, or an actual tournament with fans?



    I played Torrey south a few weeks before the tournament when the rough was in, from the one up tees and shot 81 with new clubs and didn't hit it super well. Qmany shot 69 that day as a +1.



    Obviously Augusta is harder but we're talking shooting 84 here not winning a tournament and unless I'm mistaken it's not even in front of fans
    Jeff, I hate to rain on your parade, but you guys played the two up tees. The Pro tees are not even marked 50 weeks out of the year. The tees one behind you were the taupe tees from 7,051 yards. There's another 600 yards behind those! :-)




    The ones we played were roughly 6800 if I recall. It's likely they were two up from tournament on some holes yes. But it's just to say 84 isn't crazy.
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  • YuckYuck Fore! Members Posts: 2,446 ✭✭
    Often a state golf association will have a play day at a course that has held a major. I had did one at Olympic club. Sunday Open pins & tees. No practice round, no caddies. I did break 40 my first 9, and I was maybe a three cap when did this. Breaking 85 on a high slope tourney course, especially with no rough will depend on the quality of the short game. If you goal is to break 85 as opposed to shoot par, I am sure many scratch players can get around Augusta in 85 strokes or less. Stay below the hole!
  • golfer929golfer929 Posts: 230 ClubWRX
    edited Aug 13, 2017 #60
  • ThrillhouseThrillhouse EVERYTHING'S COMING UP THRILLHOUSE! Members Posts: 11,165 ClubWRX
    MtlJeff wrote:


    MtlJeff wrote:


    Wait can we clarify here, are we talking tournament "conditions" only, or an actual tournament with fans?



    I played Torrey south a few weeks before the tournament when the rough was in, from the one up tees and shot 81 with new clubs and didn't hit it super well. Qmany shot 69 that day as a +1.



    Obviously Augusta is harder but we're talking shooting 84 here not winning a tournament and unless I'm mistaken it's not even in front of fans
    Jeff, I hate to rain on your parade, but you guys played the two up tees. The Pro tees are not even marked 50 weeks out of the year. The tees one behind you were the taupe tees from 7,051 yards. There's another 600 yards behind those! :-)




    The ones we played were roughly 6800 if I recall. It's likely they were two up from tournament on some holes yes




    I think you guys played two up if it was under 7000.



    So I'm a 4 right now, and I played Torrey back in June from the back tees they have set up (7051) and shot 78. Rough was thick, greens were rolling pretty well, it can't have been far off the farmers conditions. I might not have played well from 7600, but I'm pretty sure I would have broken 85 that day from those tees. Fun fact I was with a friend who is a really good college player at a top ranked D1 school, he played the back edge of the back tee and shot even, it was cool to watch.



    Now I know I'm a poor example of a 4 because I used to be better, my putting and short game is much better than most 4s due to past experience, and as my driving is improving I'll probably be a solid scratch next year, so I'm not really a run of the mill 4 I'm more like a 0 who is a 4 right now because I drive it bad. BUT, I'm pretty sure I can break 85 at Augusta right now under tournament COURSE conditions (eg no crowds). I'm a good putter, I have all the shots around the greens, and I can get it around well enough from tee to green to score. 85 just isn't that high of a benchmark, I just started playing again this year after like 4 years off and yeah I had some sketchy high 80s rounds at the beginning but since then I think my worst is 84, and I sucked that day!



    Now as far as breaking 80 in tournament course conditions at Augusta right now that would be a feat. Do I think I could do it? Possibly, but I wouldn't put my chances at better than 1/5. That being said if I was playing solid scratch golf could I do it? Yeah, I think chances would be good that I could. We aren't talking about playing in front of crowds and with TV cameras around, just a long golf course with fast greens, it's not that big of a deal.
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