Is a laser rangefinder really necessary?

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  • matthewbmatthewb Members Posts: 1,626 ✭✭
    NYC243 wrote:

    matthewb wrote:


    As has been pointed out, earlier players had accurate yardages via yardage books. Rangefinders simply make this process faster.



    To equate this with other new technologies like balls and clubs is silly.




    considering the ratio of threads on equipment vs instruction on this site are about 5:1, this response doesnt surprise me one bit....




    Please explain. I'm not following your logic here.
  • NYC243NYC243 FORE Members Posts: 262 ✭✭




    just an old stupid ****? or on to something?



    hmmmm....
  • matthewbmatthewb Members Posts: 1,626 ✭✭
    NYC243 wrote:






    just an old stupid ****? or on to something?



    hmmmm....




    This thread is about rangefinders. In that video, Player doesn't address rangefinders.



  • RSK7070RSK7070 Members Posts: 119 ✭✭
    I recently picked up a rangefinder and enjoy it, but use it mostly as a training aid for my eye and on practice rounds to work on those funky (67 yards) distances.



    Funny how times change but my attitude remains the same. Back when we only had sprinkler heads (not that long ago in the scope of things), always thought it was funny when a hacker was looking for a yardage 250+ out. Still grin when I see the guy check his watch and rangefinder to find 261.4 yards to the pin.... hitting his 4th shot. Technology can help, but let's not forget the fundamentals of the game were not built on it.
  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 9,912 ✭✭
    Golf was played at a very fine level of skill for a long time before laser rangefinder were invented.



    Then again, a laser is a lot cheaper than paying a caddie to walk the course ahead of time and make notes so he can give you distances during the round.
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  • sroestsroest Members Posts: 169
    edited Aug 23, 2017 #67
    Question for people who say a rangefinder is not necessary:



    Middle of the non-sloped green is 185 yards. Flag is at 200 yards. How are you going to hit it close to the hole without a rangefinder?



    Btw If your answer is that you probably miss the green anyway, you probably don't need a rangefinder.
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  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 9,912 ✭✭
    sroest wrote:


    Question for people who say a rangefinder is not necessary:



    Middle of the non-sloped green is 185 yards. Flag is at 200 yards. How are you going to hit it close to the hole without a rangefinder?



    Btw If your answer is that you probably miss the green anyway, you probably don't need a rangefinder.




    It depends entirely on what information you have at your disposal sans rangefinder.



    You've described a shot I frequently face at the longest Par 4 on my home course. If I mishit my driver slightly I'll have about 170 to the front, 200 to the back and 185 to the middle of the green. The flag is often just 5, 6, 7 paces from the back.



    If I know that I'm 185 from the middle (i.e. I'm standing near a certain sprinkler head that reads "183") and I know that today's hole location is back then I do not pull out my laser. I've played the hole in that situation many times.



    Now if I'm that same distance out but on an unfamiliar course, I'm nowhere near a marked sprinkler and I have no idea whether the flag is middle or back then I need the laser. I'll shoot the pin and if possible shoot the front edge of the green.
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  • redrover69redrover69 Members Posts: 63
    All this technology is great when you are going from course to course trying new course etc etc



    If you play the same home course every time I think the rangefinder might be the best tool. Otherwise the GPS is.



    I dont see the problem using technology to play golf or any other sport if its allowable.



    Its 2017 not 1997
  • NYC243NYC243 FORE Members Posts: 262 ✭✭
    sroest wrote:


    Question for people who say a rangefinder is not necessary:



    Middle of the non-sloped green is 185 yards. Flag is at 200 yards. How are you going to hit it close to the hole without a rangefinder?



    Btw If your answer is that you probably miss the green anyway, you probably don't need a rangefinder.




    high cut 6 iron land in the middle of green let it roll to the hole...
  • sroestsroest Members Posts: 169
    NYC243 wrote:

    sroest wrote:


    Question for people who say a rangefinder is not necessary:



    Middle of the non-sloped green is 185 yards. Flag is at 200 yards. How are you going to hit it close to the hole without a rangefinder?



    Btw If your answer is that you probably miss the green anyway, you probably don't need a rangefinder.




    high cut 6 iron land in the middle of green let it roll to the hole...




    So you are able to gauge the distance to a flag at 200 yards using eyesight? Fenomenal!
  • NYC243NYC243 FORE Members Posts: 262 ✭✭
    sroest wrote:

    NYC243 wrote:

    sroest wrote:


    Question for people who say a rangefinder is not necessary:



    Middle of the non-sloped green is 185 yards. Flag is at 200 yards. How are you going to hit it close to the hole without a rangefinder?



    Btw If your answer is that you probably miss the green anyway, you probably don't need a rangefinder.




    high cut 6 iron land in the middle of green let it roll to the hole...




    So you are able to gauge the distance to a flag at 200 yards using eyesight? Fenomenal!




    if i can figure out the distance, and can see a waving yellow thing, i can hit a ball at it....isnt that what were all doing?
  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 9,912 ✭✭
    edited Aug 23, 2017 #73
    NYC243 wrote:


    if i can figure out the distance, and can see a waving yellow thing, i can hit a ball at it....isnt that what were all doing?




    Well it's the "figure out the distance" part we're talking about. That's what we use the laser for.



    Traditionally that was done by asking ones caddie but there never seems to be one around when I play...
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  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Members Posts: 7,266 ✭✭
    I lost mine and honestly as pissed as I was at first, I really don't miss it. A good GPS App on my phone gives me fairly accurate and predictable distances not only to the green, but also to certain traps, edges of fairways on doglegs, etc.



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  • NYC243NYC243 FORE Members Posts: 262 ✭✭
    edited Aug 23, 2017 #75

    NYC243 wrote:


    if i can figure out the distance, and can see a waving yellow thing, i can hit a ball at it....isnt that what were all doing?




    Well it's the "figure out the distance" part we're talking about. That's what we use the laser for.



    Traditionally that was done by asking ones caddie but there never seems to be one around when I play...




    they have these things called distance markers on most courses.....find the blue one, 200 yards....pretty easy from there...



    on a driving range, instead of hitting to distance markers, i will pick brown patches, darker green patches, dirt patches, a tree, and hit it to those using all different clubs.



    6 iron to 75 yards, 6 iron to 140 yards, 6 iron to 180 yards, etc...you get the idea...



    this promotes getting the feel of hitting any club different distances up to the limit of that club.....seeing a spot, feeling how hard to swing the particular club im holding, and trying to hit it to land on that spot....then i'll do some trying to run it up to that same spot...



    its all about knowing ur clubs and swing and feeling the distances...knowing the yardage after that just confirms the swing i would already have worked out by feel....



    hope that makes sense
  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 9,912 ✭✭
    NYC243 wrote:


    NYC243 wrote:


    if i can figure out the distance, and can see a waving yellow thing, i can hit a ball at it....isnt that what were all doing?




    Well it's the "figure out the distance" part we're talking about. That's what we use the laser for.



    Traditionally that was done by asking ones caddie but there never seems to be one around when I play...




    they have these things called distance markers on most courses.....find the blue one, 200 yards....pretty easy from there...




    Yeah, our course got rid of them because everyone now has rangefinders and/or GPS.
    “1lb beefstak, with
    1pt bitter beer
    every 6 hours.
    1 ten-mile walk every morning.
    1 bed at 11 sharp every night.
    And don't stuff your head with things you don't understand.” 
  • NYC243NYC243 FORE Members Posts: 262 ✭✭

    NYC243 wrote:


    NYC243 wrote:


    if i can figure out the distance, and can see a waving yellow thing, i can hit a ball at it....isnt that what were all doing?




    Well it's the "figure out the distance" part we're talking about. That's what we use the laser for.



    Traditionally that was done by asking ones caddie but there never seems to be one around when I play...




    they have these things called distance markers on most courses.....find the blue one, 200 yards....pretty easy from there...




    Yeah, our course got rid of them because everyone now has rangefinders and/or GPS.




    yea not all have them, thats why the suggestion i make when practicing really does help. being able to see something and know you can hit that spot with many different clubs will make hitting them that much easier even if you know the exact distance...
  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 9,912 ✭✭
    NYC243 wrote:


    NYC243 wrote:


    NYC243 wrote:


    if i can figure out the distance, and can see a waving yellow thing, i can hit a ball at it....isnt that what were all doing?




    Well it's the "figure out the distance" part we're talking about. That's what we use the laser for.



    Traditionally that was done by asking ones caddie but there never seems to be one around when I play...




    they have these things called distance markers on most courses.....find the blue one, 200 yards....pretty easy from there...




    Yeah, our course got rid of them because everyone now has rangefinders and/or GPS.




    yea not all have them, thats why the suggestion i make when practicing really does help. being able to see something and know you can hit that spot with many different clubs will make hitting them that much easier even if you know the exact distance...




    Well you're probably a few levels beyond me on Mazlo's Hierarchy of Golf. I'm not sure I'll live long enough to figure out how to hit one club each distance, I'm stuck down on the basic-survival level.
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  • NYC243NYC243 FORE Members Posts: 262 ✭✭
    well, its just a matter of taking a few clubs to the range and trying to hit each one to a random spot, not full swings. even 25 yards, 50 yards, with a 4 iron then an 8 iron to the same spot....



    you'll quickly see how little effort it takes to hit a ball far, but with control....



    same as putting, being able to control the ball on a green is the same concept. hit one 10 feet, then one 10 feet past that one, then one between those two.
  • Krt22Krt22 Members Posts: 6,504 ✭✭
    edited Aug 23, 2017 #80
    How do you know a spot is 50-140 yards away at the range? Do you pace it off wearing a helmet?
  • moonshinemoonshine 64 @ Augusta? No problem! North Charleston, SCClubWRX Posts: 6,356 ✭✭
    Krt22 wrote:


    How do you know a spot is 50-140 yards away at the range? Do you pace it off wearing a helmet?


    lol,i can picture it! I had a gps once for car and it was inaccurate and you had to pay quite a bit for updates...never even considered it til recently. I'm interested in the watch that does it all...fitness..golf...blah blah blah. I have played with buddies where they clubbed wrong with gps. I like having laser in PSR to know more about carry shots or how far is the water or a layup as much as pin distance. Yes knowing your yardages help but in my case the RTJ range here is downhill...so I would need slope but don't really find I need it anywhere else when playing.
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  • NYC243NYC243 FORE Members Posts: 262 ✭✭
    edited Aug 23, 2017 #82
    Krt22 wrote:


    How do you know a spot is 50-140 yards away at the range? Do you pace it off wearing a helmet?




    you dont need to know yardages, you just need to try to hit those spots....



    i used the term yardages bc after hitting that many golf balls to random spots you learn to know your own yardages....and 25 to 50 yards, anyone here could figure that distance out.....



    if you want to hit to yardages on the range you can do that too.....its all the same thing...



    the idea is to hit a ball to different distances using the same club....
  • matthewbmatthewb Members Posts: 1,626 ✭✭
    NYC243 wrote:

    Krt22 wrote:


    How do you know a spot is 50-140 yards away at the range? Do you pace it off wearing a helmet?




    you dont need to know yardages, you just need to try to hit those spots....



    i used the term yardages bc after hitting that many golf balls to random spots you learn to know your own yardages....and 25 to 50 yards, anyone here could figure that distance out.....



    if you want to hit to yardages on the range you can do that too.....its all the same thing...



    the idea is to hit a ball to different distances using the same club....




    So you hit a few clubs to different spots and you then have the feel for yardage without knowing yardage except by feel?



    You get people to believe this BS in real life?
  • NYC243NYC243 FORE Members Posts: 262 ✭✭
    matthewb wrote:

    NYC243 wrote:

    Krt22 wrote:


    How do you know a spot is 50-140 yards away at the range? Do you pace it off wearing a helmet?




    you dont need to know yardages, you just need to try to hit those spots....



    i used the term yardages bc after hitting that many golf balls to random spots you learn to know your own yardages....and 25 to 50 yards, anyone here could figure that distance out.....



    if you want to hit to yardages on the range you can do that too.....its all the same thing...



    the idea is to hit a ball to different distances using the same club....




    So you hit a few clubs to different spots and you then have the feel for yardage without knowing yardage except by feel?



    You get people to believe this BS in real life?




    yes of course....



    why is that bs?
  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 9,912 ✭✭
    I think if you spent enough time (i.e. lots and lots of time) just swinging various clubs at various targets without ever knowing a distance you would eventually get good at guessing what shot you need for a given target.



    But to get good enough to do that uphill, downhill, on blind shots, to flags tucked behind bunkers, on holes with "dead ground" you can't see between yourself and the green and all the other oddball visuals you encounter on a golf course...



    Well "lots and lots of time" probably doesn't do it justice. If you made a habit of doing that in play and in practice you'd be pretty darned good at it after a few decades I guess.



    Yet not a single golfer among the hundreds and hundreds playing on various professional tours does that instead of using yardage books, pacing off from landmarks and yes, using laser rangefinders. That tells me it simply isn't worth the effort unless you're just wanting to prove it can be done. it's the old gag about bringing a sword to a gunfight. It's not that the swordsman lacks impressive skills, it's just that he can't compete with the guy who can shoot him dead in two second flat from 50 feet away.
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  • matthewbmatthewb Members Posts: 1,626 ✭✭


    I think if you spent enough time (i.e. lots and lots of time) just swinging various clubs at various targets without ever knowing a distance you would eventually get good at guessing what shot you need for a given target.



    But to get good enough to do that uphill, downhill, on blind shots, to flags tucked behind bunkers, on holes with "dead ground" you can't see between yourself and the green and all the other oddball visuals you encounter on a golf course...



    Well "lots and lots of time" probably doesn't do it justice. If you made a habit of doing that in play and in practice you'd be pretty darned good at it after a few decades I guess.



    Yet not a single golfer among the hundreds and hundreds playing on various professional tours does that instead of using yardage books, pacing off from landmarks and yes, using laser rangefinders. That tells me it simply isn't worth the effort unless you're just wanting to prove it can be done. it's the old gag about bringing a sword to a gunfight. It's not that the swordsman lacks impressive skills, it's just that he can't compete with the guy who can shoot him dead in two second flat from 50 feet away.




    North, you pulled off a wonderfully decorous post that called someone on their BS without directly doing so. Well done, sir!
  • NYC243NYC243 FORE Members Posts: 262 ✭✭


    I think if you spent enough time (i.e. lots and lots of time) just swinging various clubs at various targets without ever knowing a distance you would eventually get good at guessing what shot you need for a given target.



    But to get good enough to do that uphill, downhill, on blind shots, to flags tucked behind bunkers, on holes with "dead ground" you can't see between yourself and the green and all the other oddball visuals you encounter on a golf course...



    Well "lots and lots of time" probably doesn't do it justice. If you made a habit of doing that in play and in practice you'd be pretty darned good at it after a few decades I guess.



    Yet not a single golfer among the hundreds and hundreds playing on various professional tours does that instead of using yardage books, pacing off from landmarks and yes, using laser rangefinders. That tells me it simply isn't worth the effort unless you're just wanting to prove it can be done. it's the old gag about bringing a sword to a gunfight. It's not that the swordsman lacks impressive skills, it's just that he can't compete with the guy who can shoot him dead in two second flat from 50 feet away.




    do you think i was talking about tour pros?? professionals are on another level....



    i'm writing on a forum to someone with a 17 handicap....



    why does everyone on this site try to debunk basic fundamentals with inane comparisons to tour pros?
  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 9,912 ✭✭
    matthewb wrote:



    I think if you spent enough time (i.e. lots and lots of time) just swinging various clubs at various targets without ever knowing a distance you would eventually get good at guessing what shot you need for a given target.



    But to get good enough to do that uphill, downhill, on blind shots, to flags tucked behind bunkers, on holes with "dead ground" you can't see between yourself and the green and all the other oddball visuals you encounter on a golf course...



    Well "lots and lots of time" probably doesn't do it justice. If you made a habit of doing that in play and in practice you'd be pretty darned good at it after a few decades I guess.



    Yet not a single golfer among the hundreds and hundreds playing on various professional tours does that instead of using yardage books, pacing off from landmarks and yes, using laser rangefinders. That tells me it simply isn't worth the effort unless you're just wanting to prove it can be done. it's the old gag about bringing a sword to a gunfight. It's not that the swordsman lacks impressive skills, it's just that he can't compete with the guy who can shoot him dead in two second flat from 50 feet away.




    North, you pulled off a wonderfully decorous post that called someone on their BS without directly doing so. Well done, sir!




    I'm trying to work on my people skills. Thanks for noticing.
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  • NYC243NYC243 FORE Members Posts: 262 ✭✭
    ok,



    keep sucking at golf, see if i give a f***
  • matthewbmatthewb Members Posts: 1,626 ✭✭
    NYC243 wrote:


    ok,



    keep sucking at golf, see if i give a f***




    Now that was not decorous.
  • High Plains DriverHigh Plains Driver Chip Yipper Extraordinaire Members Posts: 2,377 ✭✭
    NYC243 wrote:


    ok,



    keep sucking at golf, see if i give a f***




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