Great clip showing left arm off chest in downswing

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edited Sep 15, 2017 in Instruction & Academy #1
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  • Golf nerdGolf nerd Members Posts: 942
    Thanks for sharing. Shawn has some nice clips on youtube as well.
  • Billy BarooBilly Baroo Members Posts: 174
    I really enjoy this gentleman's posts on IG as well as his YouTube channel. He's a must follow in my opinion.
    Maybe.....Yessir!
  •  Dave D Dave D Members Posts: 4,002 ✭✭


    I really enjoy this gentleman's posts on IG as well as his YouTube channel. He's a must follow in my opinion.


    Completely agree, has some great content.



    The thing I find hard with this move, as Dan (iteach) has said I need more of it in the past and I'm sure I still do, is how to get this move whilst still having a good downswing pivot. When I focus on the arms doing this move I then have very little turn through the ball
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  • GungHoGolfGungHoGolf SkyTrak Afficionado Austin, TXMembers Posts: 866 ✭✭
    edited Sep 7, 2017 #5
    Looks like the arms are swinging across the chest about as far as possible given both hands on the club and one arm relatively straight. Perhaps the illusion is real.
  • iteachgolfiteachgolf Members Posts: 16,720 ✭✭
    Dave D wrote:



    I really enjoy this gentleman's posts on IG as well as his YouTube channel. He's a must follow in my opinion.


    Completely agree, has some great content.



    The thing I find hard with this move, as Dan (iteach) has said I need more of it in the past and I'm sure I still do, is how to get this move whilst still having a good downswing pivot. When I focus on the arms doing this move I then have very little turn through the ball




    Because you have too much tilt too soon. Left side moving down and forward allows arms to get wider coming down. If you tilt early your shoulders speed up relative to arm and the angle gets smaller
  • Petunia SprinklePetunia Sprinkle Future King of France Unregistered Posts: 5,362 ✭✭
    Is that what that means? What do people do who don't do that? (It can't be the key to golf because that's what I do by default.)
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    Is that what that means? What do people do who don't do that? (It can't be the key to golf because that's what I do by default.)




    For me, it means trail shoulder up as the arms work down, out, and then around. Tilt later ...
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  • bogeyprobogeypro The Original Bogeypro ClubWRX Posts: 3,231 ClubWRX
    great video. Been working on that very thing myself. I tend to keep my left arm pinned too long.
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    Is that what that means? What do people do who don't do that? (It can't be the key to golf because that's what I do by default.)




    For me, it means trail shoulder up as the arms work down, out, and then around. Tilt later ...




    Or, it can just mean the arms are swinging faster than the shoulders are turning. What I'm asking is, doesn't everyone do that? And, if not, wtf are they doing instead? You'd have to have some seriously screwed up notion to keep this not from happening.
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    Is that what that means? What do people do who don't do that? (It can't be the key to golf because that's what I do by default.)




    For me, it means trail shoulder up as the arms work down, out, and then around. Tilt later ...




    Or, it can just mean the arms are swinging faster than the shoulders are turning. What I'm asking is, doesn't everyone do that? And, if not, wtf are they doing instead? You'd have to have some seriously screwed up notion to keep this not from happening.




    There are a boat load of reasons that lead to this.



    Upper body moving laterally, upper body tilting too much, lack of backswing hip turn, no upper/lower body separation, arms/hands moving in wrong direction, etc.
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    Is that what that means? What do people do who don't do that? (It can't be the key to golf because that's what I do by default.)




    For me, it means trail shoulder up as the arms work down, out, and then around. Tilt later ...




    Or, it can just mean the arms are swinging faster than the shoulders are turning. What I'm asking is, doesn't everyone do that? And, if not, wtf are they doing instead? You'd have to have some seriously screwed up notion to keep this not from happening.




    There are a boat load of reasons that lead to this.



    Upper body moving laterally, upper body tilting too much, lack of backswing hip turn, no upper/lower body separation, arms/hands moving in wrong direction, etc.




    Oh! Now that I think about it, that's exactly what a friend of mine does (upper body thing). I guess it never dawned on me as his is not so much of a 'golf swing' as it is a sign he should quit.
  •  Dave D Dave D Members Posts: 4,002 ✭✭
    iteachgolf wrote:

    Dave D wrote:



    I really enjoy this gentleman's posts on IG as well as his YouTube channel. He's a must follow in my opinion.


    Completely agree, has some great content.



    The thing I find hard with this move, as Dan (iteach) has said I need more of it in the past and I'm sure I still do, is how to get this move whilst still having a good downswing pivot. When I focus on the arms doing this move I then have very little turn through the ball




    Because you have too much tilt too soon. Left side moving down and forward allows arms to get wider coming down. If you tilt early your shoulders speed up relative to arm and the angle gets smaller




    down and forward towards target?
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  • Fort Worth ProFort Worth Pro Members Posts: 2,774 ✭✭
    Not Dan but I will answer. Yes the upper center and left side both move down and forward early in transition.
  •  Dave D Dave D Members Posts: 4,002 ✭✭





    Is that what that means? What do people do who don't do that? (It can't be the key to golf because that's what I do by default.)




    For me, it means trail shoulder up as the arms work down, out, and then around. Tilt later ...




    Or, it can just mean the arms are swinging faster than the shoulders are turning. What I'm asking is, doesn't everyone do that? And, if not, wtf are they doing instead? You'd have to have some seriously screwed up notion to keep this not from happening.




    There are a boat load of reasons that lead to this.



    Upper body moving laterally, upper body tilting too much, lack of backswing hip turn, no upper/lower body separation, arms/hands moving in wrong direction, etc.







    Is that what that means? What do people do who don't do that? (It can't be the key to golf because that's what I do by default.)




    Here is my example of too much tilt and arm trapped

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOyVqw6Xfl0
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  •  Dave D Dave D Members Posts: 4,002 ✭✭


    Not Dan but I will answer. Yes the upper center and left side both move down and forward early in transition.


    Thanks Michael
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  • Petunia SprinklePetunia Sprinkle Future King of France Unregistered Posts: 5,362 ✭✭
    Dave D wrote:


    Here is my example of too much tilt and arm trapped

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    Thanks. That seems to be the kind of thing one would get into with that 'take the hands and arms out of it' (as if you were 2nd base) kind of thinking, yeah?

    (That guy's swing looks more golf related than my friend's mess, I have to say.)
  • dg_1983dg_1983 Members Posts: 1,283 ✭✭
    Dave,



    So I understand this correctly, are you suggesting you want to increase this sort of angle? Is this a similar thing to the arms trailing too much behind the body in the sequencing or have I got that all wrong?
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  •  Dave D Dave D Members Posts: 4,002 ✭✭
    dg_1983 wrote:


    Dave,



    So I understand this correctly, are you suggesting you want to increase this sort of angle? Is this a similar thing to the arms trailing too much behind the body in the sequencing or have I got that all wrong?


    Yes
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  • ferrispgmferrispgm Members Posts: 1,907 ✭✭
    This has been a tough feel for me to get as I am better with right sided feels.....but something did click with this for me last week.....You have to get the arm off the chest in the proper direction....for me it feels like it's behind me to the left....for others it may be different. Once i figured that out, I was striping it and now I feel comfortable adding this to my list of feels when the right side doesn't want to accommodate.
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  • Petunia SprinklePetunia Sprinkle Future King of France Unregistered Posts: 5,362 ✭✭
    If the arms don't swing faster than the shoulders, you'll be facing the beer girl by the time you hit the ball. I guarantee you, if someone were trying to kill you and all you had was a golf club to defend yourself, your left arm would come off your chest as fast as you could make it.
  • ferrispgmferrispgm Members Posts: 1,907 ✭✭


    If the arms don't swing faster than the shoulders, you'll be facing the beer girl by the time you hit the ball. I guarantee you, if someone were trying to kill you and all you had was a golf club to defend yourself, your left arm would come off your chest as fast as you could make it.




    What's wrong with facing the beer girl????? lol
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  • dg_1983dg_1983 Members Posts: 1,283 ✭✭
    Thanks! It's the first time I've understood this. I can see now why it's called pinned to chested, if the torso moves but the left arm doesn't that angle between the inside top arm and the chest reduces!



    What sort of shots would doing this poorly generate?

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  • bogeyprobogeypro The Original Bogeypro ClubWRX Posts: 3,231 ClubWRX
    edited Sep 7, 2017 #24
    dg_1983 wrote:


    Thanks! It's the first time I've understood this. I can see now why it's called pinned to chested, if the torso moves but the left arm doesn't that angle between the inside top arm and the chest reduces!



    What sort of shots would doing this poorly generate?






    Flipping through impact because the hands will usually be behind at impact. So, could be thin shots, weak slappy contact fades, low pulls.
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  • dg_1983dg_1983 Members Posts: 1,283 ✭✭
    Sounds like my driver swing!
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  • Petunia SprinklePetunia Sprinkle Future King of France Unregistered Posts: 5,362 ✭✭
    ferrispgm wrote:



    If the arms don't swing faster than the shoulders, you'll be facing the beer girl by the time you hit the ball. I guarantee you, if someone were trying to kill you and all you had was a golf club to defend yourself, your left arm would come off your chest as fast as you could make it.




    What's wrong with facing the beer girl????? lol




    You don't want to be facing the beer girl while one of your balls is facing the other way.
  • GolfbeatGolfbeat Swing Lessee Members Posts: 1,656 ✭✭


    Not Dan but I will answer. Yes the upper center and left side both move down and forward early in transition.




    Kind of what people would call a little over the top move?
  • Golf nerdGolf nerd Members Posts: 942
    iteachgolf wrote:






    Because you have too much tilt too soon. Left side moving down and forward allows arms to get wider coming down. If you tilt early your shoulders speed up relative to arm and the angle gets smaller


    Does this what Dana shows around 0:35 seconds come close to what you are proposing, Dan?

  • David CDavid C Members Posts: 848 ✭✭
    edited Sep 8, 2017 #29
    Dave D wrote:

    dg_1983 wrote:


    Dave,



    So I understand this correctly, are you suggesting you want to increase this sort of angle? Is this a similar thing to the arms trailing too much behind the body in the sequencing or have I got that all wrong?


    Yes




    Dave, your practice swing and first move is a spin out, you get that left leg and hip behind you immediately. Looks like you lose your footwork in your left foot. Bound to tip the shaft out at the very least. It's like you have no transition, just get to the top and... Bang! That's my clumsy way of describing it anyway.



    Have you tried waiting on it a bit in transition, not firing your body until the club is synced back up with you? Just an observation. It's like your downswing is a sudden reflex. I think you have more time than you think to change direction an do all the things suggested above, before you pile on the gas.



    The other thing is an extremely closed clubface at the top of the swing. I see this as a bit chicken and egg. Is your downswing concept 'rotation', which you perform as a spin, opening and steepening the club, hence your brain gives you a closed top of backswing; or



    - because you set it closed you spin out and steepen to open it to square on the way down?
  • iteachgolfiteachgolf Members Posts: 16,720 ✭✭
    Golf nerd wrote:

    iteachgolf wrote:






    Because you have too much tilt too soon. Left side moving down and forward allows arms to get wider coming down. If you tilt early your shoulders speed up relative to arm and the angle gets smaller


    Does this what Dana shows around 0:35 seconds come close to what you are proposing, Dan?






    Yes

    Golfbeat wrote:



    Not Dan but I will answer. Yes the upper center and left side both move down and forward early in transition.




    Kind of what people would call a little over the top move?




    Wouldn't call it an over the top move.
  • Golf nerdGolf nerd Members Posts: 942
    iteachgolf wrote:




    Yes






    Thanks for the answer.

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