Dear Taylormade: This is getting ridiculous - 7 cracked M2 series woods (3 drivers 4 3woods)

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xabiaxabia  1881WRX Points: 105Handicap: 4.7Members Posts: 1,881 Platinum Tees
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Let me preface this by saying the 2016 M series driver and HL 3 wood are the BEST clubs I have ever hit. I have tried to replace them with something else, but they are always what I come back to. However I have now had 5 cracked clubs since 9/22/16 (so approximately one calendar year). I certainly play a lot of golf, but I am a good player (~4-5 cap), swing hard and fast but do not miss low or slam my clubs into the ground. Also my club has pretty nice range balls, not rocks.



Over the last calendar year these clubs have all cracked on me



1st one 9/22/2016; M2 3 wood 15*: face caved in completely after contact (no picture but it was obliterated)



2nd one 5/31/17: Tour Issue M2 3 HL: Hit a ball flush it made a 90 degree turn in the air after about 100 yards and went 40 yards O.B. looked down and saw this



37477575611_ee17aa4064_k.jpg20170530_200911 by James Cole, on Flickr



3rd one cracked on 7/15/17 2016 M2 driver : crack in sole near speed pocket. I had this club for over a year and had hit a ton of balls with it. Chalked it up to bad luck and moved on (no picture no hard feelings)



4th one cracked on September 10th: Tour Issue M2 3HL deep face (bought from BST this July). Played ~ 25 rounds with it and range time. Completely shocked this one cracked.



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5th one cracked 10/2/17: 2016 M2 driver (bought on BST in early September and was virtually new) have played about 10 rounds with it and then looked down yesterday and saw this after a funny sounding shot.



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Two of these pictures were taken right after impact so the clubs are somewhat dirty, but I repeat that I am not abusive to my clubs nor do I feel like I should be having these kinds of issues. In fact I have two ping anser hybrids that I hit a TON of balls with (17* and 20*) that have not even come close to having issues after around 2 years for the 17 and 1 for the 20. Before this I had a super tri that I had an incalculable number of balls with (when I was terrible and hit all over the clubface) that had no issues.



I am not trying to bash Taylormade, but this is kind of crazy right? Has anyone else had this many or any issues with 2016 M series woods?
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  • vwgolfervwgolfer  1970WRX Points: 110Members Posts: 1,970 Platinum Tees
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    OUCH!
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  • JwowzerJwowzer  319WRX Points: 30Members Posts: 319 Greens
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    Have you tried reaching out to Taylormade customer service on any of them? They are typically happy to replace them.
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    I broke two m2 9.5 driver heads and 1 2016 3wood. The 3 wood they sent me the 17 model. I took a shop credit for it. This was all within 3months. Also had an epic crack after 10 days.
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  • mcc0819mcc0819  655WRX Points: 109Members Posts: 655 Golden Tee
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    I've gone through 2 of the 16 m2 3 woods. They perform great but absolute terrible quality and design for it to crack so easily.
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  • jgroganjgrogan Just another hacker!!  185WRX Points: 53Handicap: 5Members Posts: 185 Fairways
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    I have cracked 3 2016 m2 drivers. Taylor made has replaced them all under warranty. I have since changed from taylormade. I know all have there problems but it is ridiculous. I play tournament golf and to sit there and wonder is it going to crack in play. There is more then just those problems I have had with Taylormade. Me and my son both played them. Not any longer
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  • ChipNRunChipNRun  2048WRX Points: 449Members Posts: 2,048 Platinum Tees
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    A friend of mine cracked the head on a new Callaway GBB Epic 3W.



    I'm wondering if golfdom has reached the limit on thinner and lighter clubhead materials. Maybe durability issues are starting to appear with recent designs.



    Five years ago I would hear of golfers cracking driver heads after a couple of years, but not during Year 1, and would rarely hear of broken FW heads.
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    Do you ever hit balls from the mats at the Driving Range?
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    with a 3 wood yes, but I am not slamming my club into the ground first. Nor is that outlandish behavior that should doom me to cracked club faces.



    In regards to replacements they can't help me I'm told because I didn't buy the club through an authorized retailer, but instead through the BST.
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  • burns9304burns9304  366WRX Points: 104Members Posts: 366 Greens
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    xabia wrote:


    with a 3 wood yes, but I am not slamming my club into the ground first. Nor is that outlandish behavior that should doom me to cracked club faces.



    In regards to replacements they can't help me I'm told because I didn't buy the club through an authorized retailer, but instead through the BST.


    They won't ask for a receipt. They will replace the non-tour issue stuff with out much hassle.
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  • Dhurley7Dhurley7  416WRX Points: 50Members Posts: 416 Greens
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    Wow, that sucks. I have been gaming my 2016 m2 driver and 3w for the same amount of time and haven't had any issues at all. I have played somewhere around 90 rounds with them plus a decent amount of range time. The range balls at our club are limited flight so maybe that has worked in my favor. Driver swing speed is 110-115. Now I am worried that it's a matter of time before I have the same issues.



    Let us know if you're able to get a replacement through TM.
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  • pearsonifiedpearsonified Extreme enthusiast  1806WRX Points: 108Handicap: 0.3Members Posts: 1,806 Platinum Tees
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    The sole in front of the speed slot is where these clubs tend to crack.



    My cousin swings it about 115mph, and he's cracked two 2016 M2s in the past year. Here's the deal, though—he misses the ball low on the face a lot.



    I have a similar SS, and although I haven't cracked an M2 yet, I've cracked an AeroBurner in a manner nearly identical to some of the pictures here. I tend to strike my drives higher on the face, so perhaps that's why I've not been snakebit quite as badly by the speed slot.



    At this point, I just think the material stress is too high where the sole meets the face (in between the speed slot and the face), especially on strikes that occur below the CoG.
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    This have anything to do with strike location? Wonder if this is a combo of higher club speed and poor ball striking.
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    Three letters for you. T.E.E.



    It is terrible that is happening to you. If that were me I would swear off the manufacturer for good.
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  • xabiaxabia  1881WRX Points: 105Handicap: 4.7Members Posts: 1,881 Platinum Tees
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    tarmactrr wrote:


    This have anything to do with strike location? Wonder if this is a combo of higher club speed and poor ball striking.




    I do miss low more than I miss high, but looking at those two pictures of the 3 woods the cracks are in the dead center of the face. I would say I am not a poor ball striker at all but occasionally do miss low

    Dhurley7 wrote:


    Wow, that sucks. I have been gaming my 2016 m2 driver and 3w for the same amount of time and haven't had any issues at all. I have played somewhere around 90 rounds with them plus a decent amount of range time. The range balls at our club are limited flight so maybe that has worked in my favor. Driver swing speed is 110-115. Now I am worried that it's a matter of time before I have the same issues.



    Let us know if you're able to get a replacement through TM.




    I have been rejected by TM customer service for a replacement due to not having a receipt.
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    P790 4 iron
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    SM7 Raw 50F / 52 F / 54 / 56 / 60M / 60D 
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    Three letters for you. T.E.E.


    I absolutely love their stuff, but I've cratered the face of two of their 3-woods in the last 2 years.



    That said, I do think the M-series is more prone to cracking than other models I've hit.
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  • xabiaxabia  1881WRX Points: 105Handicap: 4.7Members Posts: 1,881 Platinum Tees
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    update:



    crack on sole along speed slot with a brand new TI 16 M2 that I have used since March. I do swing hard (unfortunately too hard) and miss low on the face when I do miss, but I am at my wits end.
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  • xabiaxabia  1881WRX Points: 105Handicap: 4.7Members Posts: 1,881 Platinum Tees
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    And another two to add to the list
    TI M2 3Wood

    TI M2 3HL

    that's 7!

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  • gioguy21gioguy21 NJ 8088WRX Points: 1,342Handicap: +1.6 (1194646)Members Posts: 8,088 Titanium Tees
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    i have an idea -- choose another OEM/club.

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    my m2 and m4 faces have started to rust on my 3 woods so i think its only a matter of time till mine crack.

    really poor QC

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  • DFS PFDDFS PFD  1446WRX Points: 652Handicap: 1.8Members Posts: 1,446 Platinum Tees
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    Why would the 2016 models (which are known to break) just magically stop having issues because you bought another one??

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  • jut111jut111  1759WRX Points: 339Members Posts: 1,759 Platinum Tees
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    Wait a sec. you’re telling me you’ve haven’t gotten refunds/replacements on any of these and your stil coming back for more?

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    On -, @xabia said:

    Let me preface this by saying the 2016 M series driver and HL 3 wood are the BEST clubs I have ever hit. I have tried to replace them with something else, but they are always what I come back to. However I have now had 5 cracked clubs since 9/22/16 (so approximately one calendar year). I certainly play a lot of golf, but I am a good player (~4-5 cap), swing hard and fast but do not miss low or slam my clubs into the ground. Also my club has pretty nice range balls, not rocks.

    Over the last calendar year these clubs have all cracked on me

    1st one 9/22/2016; M2 3 wood 15*: face caved in completely after contact (no picture but it was obliterated)

    2nd one 5/31/17: Tour Issue M2 3 HL: Hit a ball flush it made a 90 degree turn in the air after about 100 yards and went 40 yards O.B. looked down and saw this

    20170530_200911 by James Cole, on Flickr

    3rd one cracked on 7/15/17 2016 M2 driver : crack in sole near speed pocket. I had this club for over a year and had hit a ton of balls with it. Chalked it up to bad luck and moved on (no picture no hard feelings)

    4th one cracked on September 10th: Tour Issue M2 3HL deep face (bought from BST this July). Played ~ 25 rounds with it and range time. Completely shocked this one cracked.

    20171003_114247

    5th one cracked 10/2/17: 2016 M2 driver (bought on BST in early September and was virtually new) have played about 10 rounds with it and then looked down yesterday and saw this after a funny sounding shot.

    20171002_082304

    Two of these pictures were taken right after impact so the clubs are somewhat dirty, but I repeat that I am not abusive to my clubs nor do I feel like I should be having these kinds of issues. In fact I have two ping anser hybrids that I hit a TON of balls with (17* and 20*) that have not even come close to having issues after around 2 years for the 17 and 1 for the 20. Before this I had a super tri that I had an incalculable number of balls with (when I was terrible and hit all over the clubface) that had no issues.

    I am not trying to bash Taylormade, but this is kind of crazy right? Has anyone else had this many or any issues with 2016 M series woods?

    Taylormade saves cash making your equipment with less than tolerable metal width. Yet you keep buying them... switch to another brand.
    This is like a smoker asking Reynolds why they cause cancer and Reynolds replying, oh send those in and we can replace them.

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  • xabiaxabia  1881WRX Points: 105Handicap: 4.7Members Posts: 1,881 Platinum Tees
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    I have gotten 3 replacements from TM through my club. Not a sympathy session just sharing information and the fact that its kind of crazy to have that many clubs of the same model break
    Broke a G400 driver as well last year got a replacement and sold it. Maybe I am just cursed

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    Do you hit a lot of range balls? The hard range rocks can be deadly to a driver.

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    On -, @xabia said:

    And another two to add to the list
    TI M2 3Wood

    TI M2 3HL

    that's 7!

    Wow!! That crack is identical to the one I suffered on my very same 2017 M2 3W. Lots of low quality range balls is what I figured the culprit to be at the time.
    I took it back to the store and TM sent a brand new club for me which was in my hands in under 2 weeks.

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    Start using Wilson Duo Softs. That will help.

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    Just curious, how fast do you swing?

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  • Kale_mKale_m  2273WRX Points: 411Members Posts: 2,273 Platinum Tees
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    I have broke

    2 m2 tour 3w
    1 m1 3w
    1 2017 m1 driver

    Waiting on a warranty replacement on my m2 tour

    Currently have a m3 3w in the bag
    M4 driver and a m6 driver

    Like the tm products for the low spin they give me and the looks. When trying to make things “faster” this kind of stuff is going to happen

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    On -, @xabia said:

    On -, @bladehunter said:

    On -, @stage1350 said:

    The 3 woods love to crack there. No thanks!

    Long time no read dude ! Where you been ?

    Yep op. 3 woods crack often. But. The M series is still the best I’ve ever hit. So I keep relaxing them. And I’m far from a Tm fanboy.

    Not sure what else I can say, they are the best I have ever hit by far, yet they crack, and yet I keep coming back.
    I do hit a decent amount of balls, but in the off-season and early parts of the season I only hit my woods with balls from my shag bag that are stored in the house to try and prevent this issue.

    I’m samecas you. I have room to practice at home. So I hit a lot of balls. Almost all premium ( few old range duds in the bucket). If you hit the middle and hit a lot of balls hard it’s going to happen. But I think that’s the trade off for the performance we see.

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