Aldila SYNERGY TOUR BLACK Graphene Tour Protos!

TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test RangeSponsors Posts: 4,843 ✭✭
edited Apr 30, 2018 in GreenGrassEvaluations.com #1
Ok, here is the finished Tour Proto version of Aldila's new Tour Only SYNERGY shaft. Below you will see Trackman data against the two lowest spin shafts that we have tested, that didn't hit 6 feet off the ground or feel like a telephone pole. As you can see, the Synergy is launching the same or higher, with incredibly low spin. How is it doing this? I don't exactly know, but it has to be the inclusion of graphene in the material construction. As it is a true Tour Proto, I don't have all the finite details on exactly how or where, but I can tell you it's the first graphite shaft using graphene and we have the data to prove the results. Below I have included a couple articles on graphene for the techies out there. Basically it's the strongest fiber ever tested and over 200 times stronger than steel.



http://www.graphene....an-graphene-do/



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphene



This is the Synergy BLACK. The Tour only profile that will not be released to retail. Some are labelled 70 and some 75. They are the exact same shaft with mild graphical differences, which is common in Tour only product.



Prices on rare Protos are for shaft ONLY. No tip or grip is included on these. If you want clubwork done there will be a fee.



Also please understand these are Tour prototype shafts, not production pieces. As such, we can offer no warranty on this product. However, if you do have an issue for some reason, please contact us and we can try to come to a reasonable solution for you.



Flexes available



70TX - Permanently SOLD OUT



60TX



Price = $399
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  • GrantmurGrantmur Posts: 181 ✭✭
    Well count me in.
  • Dcoop86Dcoop86 Posts: 144 ✭✭
    Man I wish you could shed some light on comparisons to things like ATMOS black or T1100. I have both. The ATMOS is tipped 1.25" and plays very well but I'm always looking for the edge! Lol
  • WardonationWardonation Members Posts: 1,375 ✭✭
    Trackman data? I do not see it? Thanks for all you do for us on this site
  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,843 ✭✭
    Dcoop86 wrote:


    Man I wish you could shed some light on comparisons to things like ATMOS black or T1100. I have both. The ATMOS is tipped 1.25" and plays very well but I'm always looking for the edge! Lol




    Here is a thread that compares Kuro Kage Dual Core XT with those two shafts. And above are the graphs that compare Synergy with KKDCXT. That should give you the info you are looking for.



    http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1488288-big-bad-low-spin-shaft-review-13-shafts-7-players-and-a-trackman/
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,843 ✭✭


    Trackman data? I do not see it? Thanks for all you do for us on this site




    They have been added.
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  • EiJo92EiJo92 Members Posts: 5
    What specs did you use for these numbers ? Tipping, playing length etc
  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,843 ✭✭
    EiJo92 wrote:


    What specs did you use for these numbers ? Tipping, playing length etc




    We have 3 different variations of tipping based on the player's swing speed and load. I have 2 more data sheets to put up as well with slower speed players.
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  • Rosco1216Rosco1216 Members Posts: 2,975 ✭✭
    ****, count me in.
    Tour Issue M3 8.5*(7.4* @ 3.4* open) - Diamana DF 70tx
    FW - who knows
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    Miura CB 1008(4-P) - PX 7.0
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  • Peanut191Peanut191 Members Posts: 1,862 ✭✭
    What bend profile would you compare the Synergy to? How does it feel compared to the DC XT?
    M2 10.5, set to 9.75, D5, KK XT 70s
    M2 Tour 16.5, Diamana Thump 85s
    Titleist 913 21* Kiyoshi White 95 04 flex
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  • EiJo92EiJo92 Members Posts: 5
    TollBros wrote:

    EiJo92 wrote:


    What specs did you use for these numbers ? Tipping, playing length etc




    We have 3 different variations of tipping based on the player's swing speed and load. I have 2 more data sheets to put up as well with slower speed players.




    I have the orange pro v2 70 tx right now, but I’m kinda interested to try both this and the KKDC TX. Good thing Christmas is coming up....
  • gioguy21gioguy21 NJMembers Posts: 7,101 ✭✭
    ..loving mine so far !!!!
    Codename "TK421" F9 10.5 (Avalanche/black) / Rogue 130 Silver 70TX (tipped 3/4", set STD)
    Epic Flash SZ 3+ / Diamana DF 70TX (tipped 1")
    Epic Flash 5 / Diamana BF 90TX (tipped 1.75")
    785 3-PW/ PX 7.0 (+1/2", 2*up, 2* weak)
    RTX4 52*, 58* (bent 1* weak)/ DG TI S400 (+1/2", 2*up)
    SC Kombi-S/ 35.5"

    Tournaments on schedule:
    - 5/9; (USGA) US Open Local (Q) - Medford Village Golf Club (NJ)
    - 5/15; (NJSGA) Mid-Am (Q) - Copper Hill Country Club (NJ)
    - 6/11; (NJSGA) Amateur (Q) - Fiddler's Elbow Country Club (NJ)
    - 6/24; (NJSGA) State Open (Q) - Essex Fells Country Club (NJ)
  • gioguy21gioguy21 NJMembers Posts: 7,101 ✭✭
    EiJo92 wrote:

    TollBros wrote:

    EiJo92 wrote:


    What specs did you use for these numbers ? Tipping, playing length etc




    We have 3 different variations of tipping based on the player's swing speed and load. I have 2 more data sheets to put up as well with slower speed players.




    I have the orange pro v2 70 tx right now, but I’m kinda interested to try both this and the KKDC TX. Good thing Christmas is coming up....
    i had the orange pro v2 in 60TX and it was considerably 'looser' than the synergy. the synergy wants to go straight as an arrow, piercing launch to apex then just keeps going.
    Codename "TK421" F9 10.5 (Avalanche/black) / Rogue 130 Silver 70TX (tipped 3/4", set STD)
    Epic Flash SZ 3+ / Diamana DF 70TX (tipped 1")
    Epic Flash 5 / Diamana BF 90TX (tipped 1.75")
    785 3-PW/ PX 7.0 (+1/2", 2*up, 2* weak)
    RTX4 52*, 58* (bent 1* weak)/ DG TI S400 (+1/2", 2*up)
    SC Kombi-S/ 35.5"

    Tournaments on schedule:
    - 5/9; (USGA) US Open Local (Q) - Medford Village Golf Club (NJ)
    - 5/15; (NJSGA) Mid-Am (Q) - Copper Hill Country Club (NJ)
    - 6/11; (NJSGA) Amateur (Q) - Fiddler's Elbow Country Club (NJ)
    - 6/24; (NJSGA) State Open (Q) - Essex Fells Country Club (NJ)
  • EiJo92EiJo92 Members Posts: 5
    Have you ever tried the KK for comparison too ?
  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,843 ✭✭
    Rosco1216 wrote:


    ****, count me in.




    We have a limited amount available. Just let me know.




    Peanut191 wrote:


    What bend profile would you compare the Synergy to? How does it feel compared to the DC XT?




    I'd say it feels a lot like the Dual Core XT in terms of actual loading in the swing. It's got that tight feeling when you step on it, but isn't unmanageable feeling when you smooth it. The dispersion, while not shown in the data block is very consistent. It's a very traditionally balanced shaft, tending to be a bit more tip heavy. No counterbalance at all. The one thing I can say is that, you know how if you slightly toe one, on some shafts you can feel it deflect and torque the face open, well this shaft does not do that. It feels very low torque on the mishits, and holds the line very well. It is extremely low spin on center to toe hits as well.
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  • Rosco1216Rosco1216 Members Posts: 2,975 ✭✭
    TollBros wrote:

    Rosco1216 wrote:


    ****, count me in.




    We have a limited amount available. Just let me know.




    Peanut191 wrote:


    What bend profile would you compare the Synergy to? How does it feel compared to the DC XT?




    I'd say it feels a lot like the Dual Core XT in terms of actual loading in the swing. It's got that tight feeling when you step on it, but isn't unmanageable feeling when you smooth it. The dispersion, while not shown in the data block is very consistent. It's a very traditionally balanced shaft, tending to be a bit more tip heavy. No counterbalance at all. The one thing I can say is that, you know how if you slightly toe one, on some shafts you can feel it deflect and torque the face open, well this shaft does not do that. It feels very low torque on the mishits, and holds the line very well. It is extremely low spin on center to toe hits as well.


    Were the test clubs tipped the same? Seeing the difference in spin between the 6 series and 7 series is interesting but also the ball speed diffence between the 2. Do you know the raw weights on each? I play heavy(upper 70’ low 80’s) usually simply because anything in the 60 gram range is loose for me. Of course ss and ballspeed of the 6 series and spin of the 7 series would be ideal. Wondering what the best combination might be.
    Tour Issue M3 8.5*(7.4* @ 3.4* open) - Diamana DF 70tx
    FW - who knows
    P790 UDI 17* - PX 7.0
    Miura CB 1008(4-P) - PX 7.0
    Bridgestone TourB XW1 50/55//60* - X100
    Piretti Matera 2 Limited Release


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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,843 ✭✭
    Rosco1216 wrote:

    TollBros wrote:

    Rosco1216 wrote:


    ****, count me in.




    We have a limited amount available. Just let me know.




    Peanut191 wrote:


    What bend profile would you compare the Synergy to? How does it feel compared to the DC XT?




    I'd say it feels a lot like the Dual Core XT in terms of actual loading in the swing. It's got that tight feeling when you step on it, but isn't unmanageable feeling when you smooth it. The dispersion, while not shown in the data block is very consistent. It's a very traditionally balanced shaft, tending to be a bit more tip heavy. No counterbalance at all. The one thing I can say is that, you know how if you slightly toe one, on some shafts you can feel it deflect and torque the face open, well this shaft does not do that. It feels very low torque on the mishits, and holds the line very well. It is extremely low spin on center to toe hits as well.


    Were the test clubs tipped the same? Seeing the difference in spin between the 6 series and 7 series is interesting but also the ball speed diffence between the 2. Do you know the raw weights on each? I play heavy(upper 70' low 80's) usually simply because anything in the 60 gram range is loose for me. Of course ss and ballspeed of the 6 series and spin of the 7 series would be ideal. Wondering what the best combination might be.




    As I clarified above, we tip them differently depending on the player's swing speed and load. There are 1 inch tipped, .5 inch tipped, and untipped test shafts. Whatever one the player needs, is applied to all of the shafts in his particular test block. The reason you see a ball speed increase in the 65 is because the shaft is lighter and most guys pick up 1-2 mph of swing speed, which will translate into a slight ball speed increase. I'm happy to help fit you into what would work best, including tipping recommendations, etc. We just ask that you complete purchase first, then I will go through the entire process to make sure you get dialed in correctly.
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  • Rosco1216Rosco1216 Members Posts: 2,975 ✭✭
    edited Nov 1, 2017 #18
    TollBros wrote:

    Rosco1216 wrote:

    TollBros wrote:

    Rosco1216 wrote:


    ****, count me in.




    We have a limited amount available. Just let me know.




    Peanut191 wrote:


    What bend profile would you compare the Synergy to? How does it feel compared to the DC XT?




    I'd say it feels a lot like the Dual Core XT in terms of actual loading in the swing. It's got that tight feeling when you step on it, but isn't unmanageable feeling when you smooth it. The dispersion, while not shown in the data block is very consistent. It's a very traditionally balanced shaft, tending to be a bit more tip heavy. No counterbalance at all. The one thing I can say is that, you know how if you slightly toe one, on some shafts you can feel it deflect and torque the face open, well this shaft does not do that. It feels very low torque on the mishits, and holds the line very well. It is extremely low spin on center to toe hits as well.


    Were the test clubs tipped the same? Seeing the difference in spin between the 6 series and 7 series is interesting but also the ball speed diffence between the 2. Do you know the raw weights on each? I play heavy(upper 70' low 80's) usually simply because anything in the 60 gram range is loose for me. Of course ss and ballspeed of the 6 series and spin of the 7 series would be ideal. Wondering what the best combination might be.




    As I clarified above, we tip them differently depending on the player's swing speed and load. There are 1 inch tipped, .5 inch tipped, and untipped test shafts. Whatever one the player needs, is applied to all of the shafts in his particular test block. The reason you see a ball speed increase in the 65 is because the shaft is lighter and most guys pick up 1-2 mph of swing speed, which will translate into a slight ball speed increase. I'm happy to help fit you into what would work best, including tipping recommendations, etc. We just ask that you complete purchase first, then I will go through the entire process to make sure you get dialed in correctly.


    Thanks, I understood that part. I was meaning more specifically for you, was the 60tx and 70tx tipped the same for you specifically?
    Tour Issue M3 8.5*(7.4* @ 3.4* open) - Diamana DF 70tx
    FW - who knows
    P790 UDI 17* - PX 7.0
    Miura CB 1008(4-P) - PX 7.0
    Bridgestone TourB XW1 50/55//60* - X100
    Piretti Matera 2 Limited Release


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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,843 ✭✭
    Rosco1216 wrote:




    Thanks, I understood that part. I was meaning more specifically for you, was the 60tx and 70tx tipped the same for you specifically?




    Yes. All shafts in a players test block are all tipped identically for the sake of valid comparison.
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  • bdubs3316bdubs3316 Members Posts: 411 ✭✭
    If I'm playing a KK DCXT 70 TX tipped 1"...where would I fit in terms of the SYNERGY?
    Driver - TaylorMade M3 8.5* w/ Aldila Synergy Black Prototype 70TX tipped 1"
    Fairway wood - 2016 M2 15* w/ HZRDUS Black 85 6.5 tipped 1"
    Irons
    Titleist 716 TMB 2 iron (17*) w/ Project X HA1

    Titleist 716 TMB 4 iron (22*) & Titleist 716 TMB 5 iron (26*) w/ KBS Tour V LE 125
    Mizuno MP-69 6 iron (30*),
    7 iron (34*), 8 iron (38*), 9 iron (42*) all w/ KBS Tour V LE 125
    Wedges - Vokey SM6 46F black, Vokey SM6 50F black,
    Vokey 55* V grind oil can, Vokey SM6 60L black & TaylorMade Hi Toe 64* all w/ KBS 610 125
    Putter - Scotty Cameron Golo 7 Dual Balance 38"
    Ball - TaylorMade TP5x
  • ballen17ballen17 saucy paws Members Posts: 17
    edited Nov 2, 2017 #21
    I just put the Synergy 75tx, in play this weekend with my 2016M1 9.5 head, tipped 1", playing 44.5" I had been playing a KK DC XT70, tipped 1", 44.5". After a fitting with JT, I saw my spin rate drop about 500rpm, increase ball speed of 3-4mph and 10 yards extra carry. I put it in play last Saturday in 35* temps, with 20-30 mph winds. Even in to cold, the shaft had great feel, very smooth and was able to get good distance even on a couple mishits. The lower spin was awesome into the wind, but I could still launch it downwind. All in all, this is a crazy good shaft. I'm looking forward to getting to play with it next summer in warmer weather.
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  • WardonationWardonation Members Posts: 1,375 ✭✭
    ballen17 wrote:


    I just put the Synergy 75tx, in play this weekend with my 2016M1 9.5 head, tipped 1", playing 44.5" I had been playing a KK XT70, tipped 1", 44.5". After a fitting with JT, I saw my spin rate drop about 500rpm, increase ball speed of 3-4mph and 10 yards extra carry. I put it in play last Saturday in 35* temps, with 20-30 mph winds. Even in to cold, the shaft had great feel, very smooth and was able to get good distance even on a couple mishits. The lower spin was awesome into the wind, but I could still launch it downwind. All in all, this is a crazy good shaft. I'm looking forward to getting to play with it next summer in warmer weather.
    How was launch compared to your current gamer? Feel? I play the DCXT TX 60 tipped .5" and looking for change?
  • The GeneralThe General Members Posts: 1,712 ✭✭
    that's some super low spin numbers, looks good!!
  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,843 ✭✭
    bdubs3316 wrote:


    If I'm playing a KK DCXT 70 TX tipped 1"...where would I fit in terms of the SYNERGY?




    What are you looking to do? Retain the same launch and spin or drop the spin?


    ballen17 wrote:


    I just put the Synergy 75tx, in play this weekend with my 2016M1 9.5 head, tipped 1", playing 44.5" I had been playing a KK XT70, tipped 1", 44.5". After a fitting with JT, I saw my spin rate drop about 500rpm, increase ball speed of 3-4mph and 10 yards extra carry. I put it in play last Saturday in 35* temps, with 20-30 mph winds. Even in to cold, the shaft had great feel, very smooth and was able to get good distance even on a couple mishits. The lower spin was awesome into the wind, but I could still launch it downwind. All in all, this is a crazy good shaft. I'm looking forward to getting to play with it next summer in warmer weather.
    How was launch compared to your current gamer? Feel? I play the DCXT TX 60 tipped .5" and looking for change?




    His launch angle was nearly identical.
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  • Rosco1216Rosco1216 Members Posts: 2,975 ✭✭
    ballen17 wrote:


    I just put the Synergy 75tx, in play this weekend with my 2016M1 9.5 head, tipped 1", playing 44.5" I had been playing a KK XT70, tipped 1", 44.5". After a fitting with JT, I saw my spin rate drop about 500rpm, increase ball speed of 3-4mph and 10 yards extra carry. I put it in play last Saturday in 35* temps, with 20-30 mph winds. Even in to cold, the shaft had great feel, very smooth and was able to get good distance even on a couple mishits. The lower spin was awesome into the wind, but I could still launch it downwind. All in all, this is a crazy good shaft. I'm looking forward to getting to play with it next summer in warmer weather.


    You were playing the original KK XT 70 or the KK DC 70TX?
    Tour Issue M3 8.5*(7.4* @ 3.4* open) - Diamana DF 70tx
    FW - who knows
    P790 UDI 17* - PX 7.0
    Miura CB 1008(4-P) - PX 7.0
    Bridgestone TourB XW1 50/55//60* - X100
    Piretti Matera 2 Limited Release


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  • ITBVolksITBVolks Members Posts: 132 ClubWRX
    Curious what head the testers were using? Looks like pretty solid combinations. ;-)
  • ballen17ballen17 saucy paws Members Posts: 17
    I just put the Synergy 75tx, in play this weekend with my 2016M1 9.5 head, tipped 1", playing 44.5" I had been playing a KK XT70, tipped 1", 44.5". After a fitting with JT, I saw my spin rate drop about 500rpm, increase ball speed of 3-4mph and 10 yards extra carry. I put it in play last Saturday in 35* temps, with 20-30 mph winds. Even in to cold, the shaft had great feel, very smooth and was able to get good distance even on a couple mishits. The lower spin was awesome into the wind, but I could still launch it downwind. All in all, this is a crazy good shaft. I'm looking forward to getting to play with it next summer in warmer weather.





    How was launch compared to your current gamer? Feel? I play the DCXT TX 60 tipped .5" and looking for change?



    It launched a bit lower on the course, but I don't think its a true reflection since it was so cold, and I was wearing 4 layers of clothes. On the monitor, the launch was pretty much the same as the KK. The feel is very similar between the two. I like the feel of the Synergy a bit more when I really leaned in to it. Very stable, not much tourque at all.
  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Members Posts: 7,170 ✭✭
    6 yards from just shaft alone is pretty impressive. Not a shaft for me, but I'm sure a ton of high level guys will want to get this.
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,843 ✭✭
    Rosco1216 wrote:

    ballen17 wrote:


    I just put the Synergy 75tx, in play this weekend with my 2016M1 9.5 head, tipped 1", playing 44.5" I had been playing a KK XT70, tipped 1", 44.5". After a fitting with JT, I saw my spin rate drop about 500rpm, increase ball speed of 3-4mph and 10 yards extra carry. I put it in play last Saturday in 35* temps, with 20-30 mph winds. Even in to cold, the shaft had great feel, very smooth and was able to get good distance even on a couple mishits. The lower spin was awesome into the wind, but I could still launch it downwind. All in all, this is a crazy good shaft. I'm looking forward to getting to play with it next summer in warmer weather.


    You were playing the original KK XT 70 or the KK DC 70TX?




    He was using dual core XT.

    ITBVolks wrote:


    Curious what head the testers were using? Looks like pretty solid combinations. ;-)




    The test heads are Taylormade 2016 M1 460 for this test.
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  • TollBrosTollBros Overseer of the Test Range Sponsors Posts: 4,843 ✭✭
    For anyone interested in these, we are down to only two pieces left in 75 gram. If you want one I would suggest making sure you get it now.
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  • WardonationWardonation Members Posts: 1,375 ✭✭
    do you have a 65 left?
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