RECAPS: The TaylorMade #TwistFaceExperience. 7 GolfWRX members visit The Kingdom for an exclusive M3

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  • FOOTJOY16FOOTJOY16 Members  821WRX Points: 136Posts: 821 Golden Tee
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    I've really enjoyed following this topic. Thanks to everyone for posting the details of their experience. I am really interested in seeing and hitting the M3 440. I had a 2017 M1 440 for a while last season until my nephew tried it,, he kills it, so it is now in his bag. I'm very anxious to try these new drivers.
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    Titleist TS3  15.0
    Mizuno MP 20 4-PW Project X
    Vokey SM7 56M 08, 60L04
    Scotty Newport Button Back or
    Scotty Select 1/500 Newport
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  • drbonesvtdrbonesvt ClubWRX  8348WRX Points: 327Handicap: WIPPosts: 8,348 ClubWRX
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    TMAG Trip Crew



    Did I see a M4 8.5* ?????? Commercially available???



    Thanks for taking the time to post your experiences
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    SIM 8* Kuro Kage XD 70TX tipped 1.25" 
    SIM 15* ADDI 90x tipped 2"
    Titleist 2i 19.5* T-MB AD DI 105x (Tipped 2.5”)  Sans 2i R15 5w Fit on Pro 95XX (tipped 2.5”)
    Titleist MB 620 3-PW (48* PW) Tour Issue X100s (HSx1) -1* Weak loft Titlest 620MB specs
    54* Wedge Works V grind & 60* Wedge Works M grind - Tour Issue S400 (64* Lie angle) 
    Piretti Potenza Sight Dot 365g |Bettinardi BB8 Trisole bare 348g | or Toulon San Diego Sight Line  - 68* Lie angle 2* of loft 
    All woods & 2i hot melted, tour issue zcord .580 Ping Hoofer 
  • RonSwansonRonSwanson Honor: if you need it defined, you don’t have it. ClubWRX  1844WRX Points: 271Handicap: KidsPosts: 1,844 ClubWRX
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    drbonesvt wrote:


    TMAG Trip Crew



    Did I see a M4 8.5* ?????? Commercially available???



    Thanks for taking the time to post your experiences




    Yes, M4 8.5 will be commercially available.
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    TaylorMade SIM 10.5* @ 9.5* - Rogue White 130 70 TX

    TaylorMade M5 TI 5 wood 18* @ 17* - Rogue White 130 80 TX

    Ping S55 4-PW - DG TI X100

    TaylorMade Hi-Toe Raw 50* @ 51*, 54* @ 56* ,60* @ 61* - DG TI S400

    TaylorMade Tour Issue Spider X Copper

  • drbonesvtdrbonesvt ClubWRX  8348WRX Points: 327Handicap: WIPPosts: 8,348 ClubWRX
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    RonSwanson wrote:

    drbonesvt wrote:


    TMAG Trip Crew



    Did I see a M4 8.5* ?????? Commercially available???



    Thanks for taking the time to post your experiences




    Yes, M4 8.5 will be commercially available.




    Oh my........... change of “drawers”
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    SIM 8* Kuro Kage XD 70TX tipped 1.25" 
    SIM 15* ADDI 90x tipped 2"
    Titleist 2i 19.5* T-MB AD DI 105x (Tipped 2.5”)  Sans 2i R15 5w Fit on Pro 95XX (tipped 2.5”)
    Titleist MB 620 3-PW (48* PW) Tour Issue X100s (HSx1) -1* Weak loft Titlest 620MB specs
    54* Wedge Works V grind & 60* Wedge Works M grind - Tour Issue S400 (64* Lie angle) 
    Piretti Potenza Sight Dot 365g |Bettinardi BB8 Trisole bare 348g | or Toulon San Diego Sight Line  - 68* Lie angle 2* of loft 
    All woods & 2i hot melted, tour issue zcord .580 Ping Hoofer 
  • erock9174erock9174 North Canton, OHMembers  4176WRX Points: 252Handicap: 10.5Posts: 4,176 Titanium Tees
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    Anyone on the trip have a chance to hit their M3/M4 against the Callaway Redacted driver ?
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    Callaway Epic Flash 12*

    Callaway Epic Flash Heavenwood

    Exotics Xrail  4h | 5h

    Cobra  T-Rail 6-SW

    Cleveland CBX 60* 

    Callaway Sure Out 64*

    Ping Sigma 2 Tyne 4 Platinum

    Titleist ProV1x Yellow

    Handicap: 9.2


  • JunglelandJungleland Members  597WRX Points: 113Handicap: 7Posts: 597 Golden Tee
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    erock9174 wrote:


    Anyone on the trip have a chance to hit their M3/M4 against the Callaway Redacted driver ?




    Hit the M4 v Rogue yesterday at my club. Couldn't keep the Epic on the planet last year and the Rogue is slightly better then the Epic for me, meaning slightly less volatile. M4 on the other hand was solid and the toe correction is real, my miss is the toe and the TF correction is evident right away along with the ball speed retention - for reference all had Atmos Red in them.
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    getair23 wrote:


    Any of you guys switching to the TP ball after the trip?


    I’m also curious to hear about any insight around that he TP5/TP5x line. Is it staying? New model coming out? Did your experience make you consider switching to either ball?
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    Ping G410 LST 9* Ventus Black 6X
    Taylormade M3 3HL Ventus Black 7X
    Titleist 915h 3H AD DI 105X
    Mizuno MP-20 MMC 4-9 Nippon Modus 120x
    Mizuno T20 46* & 50* Nippon Modus 120x
    Taylormade Hi-Toe 54* & 58* Raw 
    Piretti Matera Elite
    Taylormade TP5
  • jll62jll62 MinneapolisClubWRX  2382WRX Points: 631Handicap: +2.2Posts: 2,382 ClubWRX
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    Breezy-3- wrote:

    getair23 wrote:


    Any of you guys switching to the TP ball after the trip?


    I'm also curious to hear about any insight around that he TP5/TP5x line. Is it staying? New model coming out? Did your experience make you consider switching to either ball?




    It was confirmed earlier in the thread that TP5/TP5x are sticking around this year (as expected).
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    TaylorMade M5 8.0, Diamana Kai'li 60S, 44.75"
    TaylorMade M5 Rocket 3, Tensei Blue X, 42.5"
    TaylorMade SIM Max Rescue 19, Fujikura Atmos Blue Tour Spec 8X Hybrid
    TaylorMade P790 3, Nippon Modus 130 stiff
    TaylorMade P750 4-PW, Nippon Modus 130 stiff
    TaylorMade MG2 52, DG S400 Tour Issue
    TaylorMade Hi-Toe 58, DG S400 Tour Issue
    TaylorMade Itsy Bitsy JDay Proto, 34"
    TaylorMade TP5

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  • sir_templar2sir_templar2 Members  155WRX Points: 16Handicap: 10Posts: 155 Fairways
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    It was great reading all these posts. The write ups and pictures are much appreciated. Thanks to all the lucky WRXers for sharing such an incredible experience and to Taylor Made for making it happen. I enjoyed living vicariously through you all!
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    Callaway GBB Epic 9° Project X HZRDUS 55 6.0
    Titleist 915F 15.0 Mitsubishi Diamana S+ Blue 70
    Titleist 818 H2 Hybrid 19.0 TrueTemper PRX Even Flow 6.0
    Callaway XR Pro 4-AW KBS Tour V90
    TaylorMade Milled Grind Chrome 54° TrueTemper DG Wedge
    TaylorMade Milled Grind Chrome 60° TrueTemper DG Wedge
    Scotty Cameron Select Newport, 34" 2° flat
  • scottazscottaz ClubWRX  2048WRX Points: 245Handicap: 1.6Posts: 2,048 ClubWRX
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    scottaz - I love the 12 ugly girlfriends and the firesale references.



    What other clubs are you replacing/buying from the feedback you gained on this trip?




    I was having some fun writing that up but I do pretty well with my current iron set up. Keep in mind the 12 ugly's was based only on what I saw when Perry put me in other combo's. The flight, spin and launch all changed in a good way. It was the same for the driver, M2 HL and hybrid.



    My normal flight, with most of my clubs, is very high and looked fragile compared to what he liked for me. It's not like I have trouble hitting my numbers intended for that club but his with changes it looked more explosive. Much lower and penetrating ball flight. Held the line better.



    So I'll be taking that great experience and make some changes for sure. I don't want to rush it but did spend some time with the 790s and 730s and liked what I saw. Maybe do a combo. I love my Srixon's and may rebuild them. I may wait to see what their new line looks like. Or I could possibly do all of the above and have a shootout. New is always fun image/partytime2.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':partytime2:' />



    The UDI is going in the bag for sure. So good!



    I won a wedge and they're hooking us up with another, so I may pick up the gap as well and give them a shot vs. the Vokey's. I've never really liked TM wedges much but the ones I tested were sweet.



    My M2 HL is toast. He hated it for me and I expected that. I just picked that up from Will P about a month ago to test and saw the same thing in my testing. Kenton hit it very well tho and I'll offer him the new friend discount. I expect to grab the M3. I loved that one. Perry wants me to do it at 13. But that may be too much for what I need on my course.
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    Ping G400MAX 8.5 TPT 14 proto

    Callaway Super Hybrid 17 Hzrdus tour black 105x

    Callaway Apex 20 Fujikura pro 115x

    Mizuno HMP PW-4 DG TI 100x

    Vokey sm7 50f, 55f, 60k DG TI 100x

    L.A.B Golf B.2 blade putter

  • oregongolforegongolf Lefty Boomers  8606WRX Points: 190Posts: 8,606 Titanium Tees
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    How did you guys settle on lengths for the driver? I'm a sub-45" driver guy, mainly for extra control.
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  • scottazscottaz ClubWRX  2048WRX Points: 245Handicap: 1.6Posts: 2,048 ClubWRX
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    Breezy-3- wrote:

    getair23 wrote:


    Any of you guys switching to the TP ball after the trip?


    I'm also curious to hear about any insight around that he TP5/TP5x line. Is it staying? New model coming out? Did your experience make you consider switching to either ball?






    This was a hot topic between Jory and myself. I told him I had trouble with the new 5x and thought it went too high and was difficult to control distances. He had a hard time believing that. It kept coming up and I felt a little like a troll. But did say each time I thought it was a me thing, and as it turned out, it may be.



    I dig the 17' XV. They seem better in the wind for me and don't go as high or float. But once I make my changes, I'll be trying the 5x again.



    Jory asked me to try the TP5 during our round and I played it most of the back nine and liked the flight better.





    Nothing new this year but they were working on something for next year.
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    Ping G400MAX 8.5 TPT 14 proto

    Callaway Super Hybrid 17 Hzrdus tour black 105x

    Callaway Apex 20 Fujikura pro 115x

    Mizuno HMP PW-4 DG TI 100x

    Vokey sm7 50f, 55f, 60k DG TI 100x

    L.A.B Golf B.2 blade putter

  • Jab3384Jab3384 Members  648WRX Points: 41Handicap: ??Posts: 648 Golden Tee
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    RonSwanson wrote:


    The write ups posted so far have been fantastic and painted a perfect picture of the details of the trip. Really well done fellas. I was there and still found some new info in Calvin’s post. I know the membership appreciates his talent behind the camera as well. My sincere thanks to Jory, Ryan and the entire team at TaylorMade for their hospitality. The entire trip start to finish was top notch.



    I tried to document my experience as it was happening, so I am going to keep this write up more equipment and fitting focused. Also, I believe I amone of the few that have received their Trackman data, so I wanted to get that up for the numbers guys.



    My game and Driver:



    Currently a 2 handicap with swing speed bouncing around in the mid to upper 110s. I play about 20-30 rounds a year now that I’m married with a 2 year old son, but I did play competitive golf in my high school and college days. I’ll post trackman data to give you guys a better idea, but if you’re curious my swing is also in the video from Calvin’s post (I’m the second guy from the right in the green shirt). I have played every 2016 and 2017 M1 and M2 driver (aside from the D-Type, which I still think is a good club) for at least a handful of rounds over the last couple years. I’ve had both retail and tour issue versions of most of them as well, so I feel like I have a solid knowledge of what a TM driver can/will do for me. Outside of TM, I’ve only gamed Ping drivers of the last several years. The driver I brought with me is a Ping G400 10* LST w/ Diamana B 70 X. Notice I did not say gamer. In full disclosure, I have never gamed this driver. In fact, I took the plastic off the head on the range at Aviara on Wednesday. I kind of blew up the top end of my golf back after my last round the first week of October and decided I wanted to try the G400 LST. I still don’t currently have a fairway wood.



    My last fitting was in April of last year and I was fit for an M1 440 9.5 w/ HZRDUS T1100 75 6.5 shaft. I have the trackman data from the fitting to compare to the M3/M4 fitting. On perfect/very good strikes, the M1 440 was incredibly impressive, however with my practice time (none) it wasn’t as consistent as I needed it to be. I ended up playing most of the year with a M1 460 9.5 and experimented a little with the M2.



    The Kingdom Fitting:



    Trackman Data:



    Kingdom Fitting



    Misc Fitting:



    After the driver fitting, we had some time before lunch so Jason went through some fairway woods and driving irons. I started with the M4 tour after talking to him about my previous woods and what I was looking for out of a fairway. The M4 has a great look, but I didn’t hit it as consistently as I would like. That may have been due to the stock shaft, since it’s a glued head and the aftermarket selection was limited. Jason then fit me in the M3 3HL and it was perfect. I ended up in the AD BB 8x .5” short of standard. Launch and spin were great and the shorter shaft gave me the consistency I was looking for. I was also fit in the P790 UDI with an AD DI hybrid shaft.



    I am happy to answer questions anyone may have and I look forward to the replies picking apart my Trackman numbers.




    So you’re the bomber in the green shirt! Nice swing man!
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  • DavePelz4DavePelz4 A golf course in the Chicago area.ClubWRX  25403WRX Points: 2,558Handicap: 2 ManyPosts: 25,403 ClubWRX
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    To the guys who went, how many of you were "fit" by a professional for the driver that you took to compare to the M3/M4? Do you think the results were derived in a big way by being fit by the best fitting professionals in the world with access to an inconceivable variety of shafts?



    Thanks for sharing!
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  • RonSwansonRonSwanson Honor: if you need it defined, you don’t have it. ClubWRX  1844WRX Points: 271Handicap: KidsPosts: 1,844 ClubWRX
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    DavePelz4 wrote:


    To the guys who went, how many of you were "fit" by a professional for the driver that you took to compare to the M3/M4? Do you think the results were derived in a big way by being fit by the best fitting professionals in the world with access to an inconceivable variety of shafts?



    Thanks for sharing!




    While I wasn’t professionally fit for the driver I brought with me, I have been fit for several previous drivers.



    To me, the biggest advantage to this fitting or a fitting like it, is getting every aspect (raw numbers, head shape and feel, shaft profile and feel, etc) the attention they deserve. It removes as many variables as possible when I step up to the tee. Knowing I have the best equipment possible for my game instills confidence and leads to better play. Having a talented fitter, as I did with Jason, makes this process significantly less complicated and burdensome.
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    TaylorMade SIM 10.5* @ 9.5* - Rogue White 130 70 TX

    TaylorMade M5 TI 5 wood 18* @ 17* - Rogue White 130 80 TX

    Ping S55 4-PW - DG TI X100

    TaylorMade Hi-Toe Raw 50* @ 51*, 54* @ 56* ,60* @ 61* - DG TI S400

    TaylorMade Tour Issue Spider X Copper

  • Ed SettleEd Settle #InsideTMAG ClubWRX  6072WRX Points: 199Handicap: 8.7Posts: 6,072 ClubWRX
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    scottaz wrote:

    Breezy-3- wrote:

    getair23 wrote:


    Any of you guys switching to the TP ball after the trip?


    I'm also curious to hear about any insight around that he TP5/TP5x line. Is it staying? New model coming out? Did your experience make you consider switching to either ball?






    This was a hot topic between Jory and myself. I told him I had trouble with the new 5x and thought it went too high and was difficult to control distances. He had a hard time believing that. It kept coming up and I felt a little like a troll. But did say each time I thought it was a me thing, and as it turned out, it may be.



    I dig the 17' XV. They seem better in the wind for me and don't go as high or float. But once I make my changes, I'll be trying the 5x again.



    Jory asked me to try the TP5 during our round and I played it most of the back nine and liked the flight better.





    Nothing new this year but they were working on something for next year.




    I think the TP5 is a great ball. And for the most part if you’ve had trouble with the TP5X, the TP5 seems to fit the bill for most people. I never felt like I hit the TP5X too high but certainly had problems with it in distance control. For me it seemed like I occasionally got “jumpers”. An Unexpected 10 yards. Had several times that I flew greens that seemed impossible. And I can only attribute that to less spin.



    I did not have that problem with the TP5. Matter fact my only real problem with the ball was that it had a black number! But I got over that really quick.
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    Driver: Callaway Mavrik SZ 10.5 Graphite Design VR-6X
    Fairway 4w: Callaway Mavrik  4/16.5* GD GP-6X 
    Hybrid: Callaway Mavrik Pro 2/18  4/23* KBS Hybrid 85S
    Irons: Callaway '19 Apex Pro 2 Dot 5-PW MMT 105 S
    Wedges: Callaway MD 5 52/MD 5 56/Custom 60 WB Grind Modus 115 Wedge 
    Putter: Toulon Design Garage Las Vegas Chocolate
    Ball: Callaway CSX Triple Track
    Bag: Callaway 14 way carry

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    The reviews have been awesome and nice to see each persons reflection on the experience. Very much looking forward into my own assessment of the M3/M4 when I get the chance! Calvin, thanks for all the pics and thanks to all of the guys for giving us a glimpse and insight on the new offerings from TM! Looking forward to the UDI as well
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    TaylorMade M2 8.5* w/ Matrix Black Tie M4 60TX
    Titleist 917 F2 w/ Fujikura Speeder Evo 757 TS TX
    Titleist 915 Hd 2 Hybrid
    Titleist 714 CB 3-PW DG X100
    Titleist Vokey SM6 50,56
    Scotty Cameron Newport 2
    Taylormade TP5X
  • Gtyler14Gtyler14 VaMembers  694WRX Points: 68Handicap: +2.2Posts: 694 Golden Tee
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    Give the tp5 a try. It is a great ball and it has great control and was stable in the wind for me and I tend to create a good bit of spin but it’s an excellent ball
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    Tour issue M4 8.5 w/ Kuro Kage dual core 70TX tipped 1” 44”
    Tour issue M1 T3 14.3 Kuro Kage dual core 80TX tipped 1 42.5” or Diamana bf 80TX tipped 1
    Tour issue TM m1 3HL 17.8 fujikura p95x tipped 1 41.75”
    TM 790 UDI x100 39.75
    TM 750 tour Proto 4-pw tour issue x100
    TM MG AB 54 Tour issue x100
    TM MG AB 60 tour issue x100
    Nike method 001
    Scotty Cameron select Newport 2
  • scottazscottaz ClubWRX  2048WRX Points: 245Handicap: 1.6Posts: 2,048 ClubWRX
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    I want give more details about my M3 fitting. Some of us didn't get our trackman results. And my fitting was a bit discombobulated ( chose this word in honor of Tony Romo, who over used it all last night) since we had to stop and restart a few times.



    I played the Epic SZ 9 all season. I was playing the 16' M2 before that and had the best driving season of my life with it. I got to test the SZ a little before it came out and the ball speeds were the best I've seen. I also found it pretty forgiving.



    I played with it a lot during the winter and spring and loved the results. As it got warmer and I started swinging a little faster, I developed a little tail at the end of the flight. Good shots were leaking more and more left and I was missing fw's. I made several shaft changes. I was working way to hard to get it to work.



    So I started testing the Ping G400 and LST. Both were giving me better results on the course. Needing less spin, I went with the LST. It's been lights out for me. So I had a low/low combo I was very confident in heading out west. Testing it vs my SZ at home, with the same shaft, I saw the ball speed drop a little ( think it was 176 to 172) both spun around 2300 for me. But the Ping was easier to find.



    I hit my LST as I would expect during the warm ups. A little rusty for sure but felt the results were close enough for fair comparisons.



    I normally hit up on the ball around 5-6 degrees. Launch is about 15. Season SS is about 115-118 and I usually miss high toe.



    After Perry saw the results of the Ping, he said he didn't have anything out there for me and we needed to go try to find something that may work.



    When we came back it was 1-2 swings, then adjust. We repeated that more times than I can remember. It was kind of hard to get into a groove. Towards the end of the fitting, we figured it out and then I had a good 20+ swings in a row with the final settings. Perry was pretty excited. He looked quite pleased with himself. lol.



    The ball was going out in this little window over and over. The spin was consistently in the 1800-2000 range. The launch was lower, around 12 if I remember correctly.



    Now that I was locked in, I started to focus on other things. I liked the feel of it. Much better than I remember the M2 feeling. The Ping feels more trampoline like, softer. Sounded great and I loved the way it frames ball. I like how both look a bit open at address.



    I started trying to work it both ways. I'd love to play a fade but struggle with it at times. But it was becoming natural with this set up. That could be huge for me.



    I played with missing low inside and high toe a bunch on my own later on the range. Like Brian said, this may be he new normal.



    During our round I saw mostly a little draw or straight. I tried hitting a fade on two holes. The first time I caught it high toe and yanked it. Almost stayed in the fairway. The second time I caught it a little low and inside and it looked and felt great but was in the bunker and shorter than I expected.



    Some think the pro's will benefit more than us hacks but I would disagree. I think may work for anyone who misses a little on either side of the head.



    Sorry for another long one.
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    Ping G400MAX 8.5 TPT 14 proto

    Callaway Super Hybrid 17 Hzrdus tour black 105x

    Callaway Apex 20 Fujikura pro 115x

    Mizuno HMP PW-4 DG TI 100x

    Vokey sm7 50f, 55f, 60k DG TI 100x

    L.A.B Golf B.2 blade putter

  • blink3665blink3665 #TwistFaceExperience Members  6368WRX Points: 485Posts: 6,368 Titanium Tees
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    DavePelz4 wrote:


    To the guys who went, how many of you were "fit" by a professional for the driver that you took to compare to the M3/M4? Do you think the results were derived in a big way by being fit by the best fitting professionals in the world with access to an inconceivable variety of shafts?



    Thanks for sharing!




    I wasn't professionally fit for my old gamer. It has been a few years since I've been fit. I think that being fit by the best professionals in the world with the largest shaft selection definitely helped my results. My dispersion got better in part due to the change in shaft. I also think my dispersion got better due to the Twist Face technology. I would attribute my distance gains to the confidence that I got from the fitting as well as knowing that my misses wouldn't be a disaster.
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    Srixon z785 9.5* EvenFlow Handcrafted Blue 65 // Taylormade M4 9.5* EvenFlow Handcrafted Blue 65
    Taylormade M3 HL MFS5 White Tie 60S -0.75" (42.5")
    Taylormade M4 19* UST Proforce V2h R -0.5" (40.25")
    Adams dHy 24* Alida RIP Phenom 70g R 
    Srixon 565 - 5-PW - 2* flat - Nippon Modus 120 S - Best Grips Classic -0.5"
    Cleveland RTX4 Raw 48* bent -1*mid, 54* mid, 58* xlow -0.75" - 2* flat // TM Hi Toe 58* 2* flat
    Slighter Proto 1 #9/Del Mar design - High Toe - Long neck - Deep Milled face - 33", 370gr, lie 71*, loft 4*
    Odyssey OWorks 2ball  33.5" - 1* loft - 71* lie
    Jones Utility Trouper Navy Twill
    GolfWRX (Nike Collegiate) bag White
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  • jll62jll62 MinneapolisClubWRX  2382WRX Points: 631Handicap: +2.2Posts: 2,382 ClubWRX
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    scottaz wrote:


    I want give more details about my M3 fitting. Some of us didn't get our trackman results. And my fitting was a bit discombobulated ( chose this word in honor of Tony Romo, who over used it all last night) since we had to stop and restart a few times.



    I played the Epic SZ 9 all season. I was playing the 16' M2 before that and had the best driving season of my life with it. I got to test the SZ a little before it came out and the ball speeds were the best I've seen. I also found it pretty forgiving.



    I played with it a lot during the winter and spring and loved the results. As it got warmer and I started swinging a little faster, I developed a little tail at the end of the flight. Good shots were leaking more and more left and I was missing fw's. I made several shaft changes. I was working way to hard to get it to work.



    So I started testing the Ping G400 and LST. Both were giving me better results on the course. Needing less spin, I went with the LST. It's been lights out for me. So I had a low/low combo I was very confident in heading out west. Testing it vs my SZ at home, with the same shaft, I saw the ball speed drop a little ( think it was 176 to 172) both spun around 2300 for me. But the Ping was easier to find.



    I hit my LST as I would expect during the warm ups. A little rusty for sure but felt the results were close enough for fair comparisons.



    I normally hit up on the ball around 5-6 degrees. Launch is about 15. Season SS is about 115-118 and I usually miss high toe.



    After Perry saw the results of the Ping, he said he didn't have anything out there for me and we needed to go try to find something that may work.



    When we came back it was 1-2 swings, then adjust. We repeated that more times than I can remember. It was kind of hard to get into a groove. Towards the end of the fitting, we figured it out and then I had a good 20+ swings in a row with the final settings. Perry was pretty excited. He looked quite pleased with himself. lol.



    The ball was going out in this little window over and over. The spin was consistently in the 1800-2000 range. The launch was lower, around 12 if I remember correctly.



    Now that I was locked in, I started to focus on other things. I liked the feel of it. Much better than I remember the M2 feeling. The Ping feels more trampoline like, softer. Sounded great and I loved the way it frames ball. I like how both look a bit open at address.



    I started trying to work it both ways. I'd love to play a fade but struggle with it at times. But it was becoming natural with this set up. That could be huge for me.



    I played with missing low inside and high toe a bunch on my own later on the range. Like Brian said, this may be he new normal.



    During our round I saw mostly a little draw or straight. I tried hitting a fade on two holes. The first time I caught it high toe and yanked it. Almost stayed in the fairway. The second time I caught it a little low and inside and it looked and felt great but was in the bunker and shorter than I expected.



    Some think the pro's will benefit more than us hacks but I would disagree. I think may work for anyone who misses a little on either side of the head.



    Sorry for another long one.




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    blink3665 wrote:

    DavePelz4 wrote:


    To the guys who went, how many of you were "fit" by a professional for the driver that you took to compare to the M3/M4? Do you think the results were derived in a big way by being fit by the best fitting professionals in the world with access to an inconceivable variety of shafts?



    Thanks for sharing!




    I wasn't professionally fit for my old gamer. It has been a few years since I've been fit. I think that being fit by the best professionals in the world with the largest shaft selection definitely helped my results. My dispersion got better in part due to the change in shaft. I also think my dispersion got better due to the Twist Face technology. I would attribute my distance gains to the confidence that I got from the fitting as well as knowing that my misses wouldn't be a disaster.






    13yds is very nice carry gain! Add more control and you got yourself a winner
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    I want give more details about my M3 fitting. Some of us didn't get our trackman results. And my fitting was a bit discombobulated ( chose this word in honor of Tony Romo, who over used it all last night) since we had to stop and restart a few times.



    I played the Epic SZ 9 all season. I was playing the 16' M2 before that and had the best driving season of my life with it. I got to test the SZ a little before it came out and the ball speeds were the best I've seen. I also found it pretty forgiving.



    I played with it a lot during the winter and spring and loved the results. As it got warmer and I started swinging a little faster, I developed a little tail at the end of the flight. Good shots were leaking more and more left and I was missing fw's. I made several shaft changes. I was working way to hard to get it to work.



    So I started testing the Ping G400 and LST. Both were giving me better results on the course. Needing less spin, I went with the LST. It's been lights out for me. So I had a low/low combo I was very confident in heading out west. Testing it vs my SZ at home, with the same shaft, I saw the ball speed drop a little ( think it was 176 to 172) both spun around 2300 for me. But the Ping was easier to find.



    I hit my LST as I would expect during the warm ups. A little rusty for sure but felt the results were close enough for fair comparisons.



    I normally hit up on the ball around 5-6 degrees. Launch is about 15. Season SS is about 115-118 and I usually miss high toe.



    After Perry saw the results of the Ping, he said he didn't have anything out there for me and we needed to go try to find something that may work.



    When we came back it was 1-2 swings, then adjust. We repeated that more times than I can remember. It was kind of hard to get into a groove. Towards the end of the fitting, we figured it out and then I had a good 20+ swings in a row with the final settings. Perry was pretty excited. He looked quite pleased with himself. lol.



    The ball was going out in this little window over and over. The spin was consistently in the 1800-2000 range. The launch was lower, around 12 if I remember correctly.



    Now that I was locked in, I started to focus on other things. I liked the feel of it. Much better than I remember the M2 feeling. The Ping feels more trampoline like, softer. Sounded great and I loved the way it frames ball. I like how both look a bit open at address.



    I started trying to work it both ways. I'd love to play a fade but struggle with it at times. But it was becoming natural with this set up. That could be huge for me.



    I played with missing low inside and high toe a bunch on my own later on the range. Like Brian said, this may be he new normal.



    During our round I saw mostly a little draw or straight. I tried hitting a fade on two holes. The first time I caught it high toe and yanked it. Almost stayed in the fairway. The second time I caught it a little low and inside and it looked and felt great but was in the bunker and shorter than I expected.



    Some think the pro's will benefit more than us hacks but I would disagree. I think may work for anyone who misses a little on either side of the head.



    Sorry for another long one.




    We are not sorry! You are giving us tremendous insight to your fitting.



    You guys are doing a great job with your write ups. We do love all the insight.
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    DavePelz4 wrote:


    To the guys who went, how many of you were "fit" by a professional for the driver that you took to compare to the M3/M4? Do you think the results were derived in a big way by being fit by the best fitting professionals in the world with access to an inconceivable variety of shafts?



    Thanks for sharing!




    Not fit for the driver I took.



    Yes, in a very big way. But I didn't see anything close to a variety of shafts. That shocked me.
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    scottaz wrote:

    DavePelz4 wrote:


    To the guys who went, how many of you were "fit" by a professional for the driver that you took to compare to the M3/M4? Do you think the results were derived in a big way by being fit by the best fitting professionals in the world with access to an inconceivable variety of shafts?



    Thanks for sharing!




    Not fit for the driver I took.



    Yes, in a very big way. But I didn't see anything close to a variety of shafts. That shocked me.




    That's because they make a limited selection of shafts made out of rebar! image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />
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    Wow! I just went through the posts of some of my GolfWRX comrades from the trip. Not only are they all great guys, but we've also got some solid sticks, excellent writers, and serious photographers (well, Calvin anyway)! There's absolutely no way I can compete with Calvin behind the lens, that would be like me trying to out-drive Kenton or Scott image/swoon.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':swoon:' /> , so I won't be redundant by posting my pics of the same scenes but of much lesser quality…lol!



    Where to start? I'd have to say that for you guys to get an idea of what this trip was like, just imagine the experience of your dreams, then take it up several notches! TaylorMade went well above and beyond for us! Brian, Jory, Ryan and the rest are all just super people and made each of us feel welcomed and special. I sensed a very cool vibe at TM headquarters and everyone seemed enthused and happy to be working there. That's a credit to leadership, a healthy organizational culture, and the type of talent they acquire.



    MY GAME:



    I know when I read these things I like to know as much as possible about the reviewers to see how closely their profile might match my own, so I'll provide some details. I'll be 50 in a couple of months and did not play golf as a kid (wish I did). I played all the other sports but didn't pick up golf until after college, getting more serious when I was around 30. I retired in 2016, so I get to play a lot of golf!



    Although I don't hit it quite as long as I did when younger, I have continued to improve over the years finishing this season as a 2.3 index which was actually at the higher end of where I was throughout the season. I won my club championship for the first time this year as well as our President's Cup (net match play) and I've been a member for 23 years. I live in NJ, play out of Old York CC in Chesterfield which is part of the Golf Association of Philadelphia (GAP).



    You all can check out my WITB in my signature and see that I've got some really old and eclectic gear in there as well as some of the new stuff. I don't change equipment as often as most GolfWRXers and have played the same putter pretty much since I started playing the game save for some failed experiments. I am however, always looking for the latest and greatest in drivers!



    I do not have an aesthetically pretty swing by any standard…lol! (If you pull up WHC888's post on p.24 and view his Youtube video you'll see my swing. I'm the guy closest to the camera in the red shirt/black vest looking for my tee after I hit...lol)



    It's fairly utilitarian and more of a body swing with a bit of a restricted release. I have a strong(ish) left hand grip and try to rotate hard through the ball swinging the handle left, striving for an inside-square-inside path, using rotation to keep the ball from over-drawing. Still, my standard ball flight is a high draw, though I will intentionally fade my driver on occasion if the hole calls for it. My overall ball striking is generally pedestrian but reasonably effective when I'm on; putting is by far my strength.



    I had a helluva a time adjusting to the time change from east to west coast. It was probably a combo of anticipation/excitement, adrenaline, and alcohol, but I slept like crap the day before and through the entire trip. I'm talking about going to bed at midnight and waking at 3:30 a.m. unable to go back to sleep. Dinner Wednesday night was phenomenal, awesome food (I had a bison strip steak), lots of laughs, great wine, and great company, though I probably could have done without the nightcaps back at the hotel!



    Thursday morning, the day of our fitting, I downed several cups of coffee and a Monster energy in an effort to recharge the batteries. Perhaps not a good idea in hindsight…lol... as the combo made me jittery and completely out of whack!



    We arrived bright and early at TM headquarters (well, most of us anyway, CHRIS!) and got the royal treatment at TM headquarters from top to bottom. Brian Bazzell (VP of Product Creation) gave a phenomenal presentation and discussed the technological innovations in the new M3/M4 products.



    THE TECHNOLOGY:



    I know TaylorMade takes some heat on this site for some of their aggressive marketing claims, but let me tell you, they are extraordinarily passionate and serious about their products and the R&D that goes into them. We were all impressed with the process as described by Brian. His engineers have been working on the Twist Face tech for nearly four years. They tweaked, tested, and re-designed multiple iterations and analyzed a complex data set of over 500,000 shots hit by real golfers. In the end, Twist Face will result in a significant improvement in dispersion for the vast majority of players on shots missed toward the toe and/or heel. We're talking an aggregate improvement in dispersion (bringing it down from 14 to 3 yards) on strikes across the face! That is the type of tangible and measurable results they are constantly seeking through their product innovations.



    Beyond Twist Face, they have also expanded the effective hitting area (sweet spot) with their new Hammerhead technology in the M3 & M4 heads. This was described as an evolution of the RBZ Speed Pocket, with a face that is 20% thinner and 17% lighter than their M1 & M2 drivers. The result is ball speeds that are measurably higher across the face and with a 67% larger max COR area!



    The new Y-Track adjustable weighting on the M3 looks simple enough, but was very challenging to design. Impressively, Y-Track provides DOUBLE the amount of adjustability in center of gravity (COG) than the previous M1 designs! Again, tangible and measurable performance improvements, not just hype!



    NOTE: In case you're wondering, the M3 comes stock with two 11g weights, but different weights will be available soon. The stock MRC Tensei shafts offered in the new M3 line are identical in materials and profile but without Boron in the tip, plus they will be offering some very nice no-charge and reasonably priced upgrade options.



    KINGDOM FITTING:



    We arrived at the Kingdom and were again aptly given royal treatment. Just though the front doors they have a small locker room and each of us had a locker with personal name placards…a very nice touch!

    M4 head in 8.5 degrees of loft in all neutral settings.

    averages:



    Club Head Speed 110, Ball Speed 158, Smash 1.44 (awful, but 100% on me), Launch 13.5, Spin 2400, Peak Height 109 ft.



    My average club head speed seemed high for me as I figured I'd only average around 106/107. I even had a few just over 113 MPH which was surprising. I was swinging so poorly my overall smash factor average was really bad, and the best I could do with ball speed was 163.4. I really made a lot of bad swings with horrible sequencing that had me all over the face... and not a square face at that!. As I got tired (and let me tell you, hitting that many drivers will make you tired!) I started sliding ahead of it instead of rotating and things just got worse.



    The numbers relative to my Epic Sub Zero were very close in most metrics, with the M4 spinning about 200 RPMs less with better dispersion. Everything else was very close (on average) for the above metrics with what was a reasonably large sample size on a poor swing day.



    One really good takeaway from my fitting was that because I was missing both ways, I got to see the full benefits of Twist Face technology. Frustrated by hitting block cuts and not producing my normal draw, attempts to turn the ball over produced plenty of toed pull-draws and even a few hooks, which to me feel just about as bad as a shank, just in the opposite kind of way…lol!



    Most halfway decent players can feel where on the face they've struck the ball, and I gave both the high toe and low heel a workout…lol! I can tell you that toe shots definitely stayed in the air longer and did not nose-dive nearly as dramatically with the M3/M4 drivers as with my Epic or any other driver I've played for that matter. It's actually a bit surprising as the ball just "hangs in there" and does not dive left as you might expect based on the strike! Heeled shots were also improved and produced more of a knuckling, hot type shot. Improving the club's performance on the most common mishits will most certainly help golfers improve their fairways hit percentages. Twist Face is real, and it's spectacular...lol!!! image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />



    Jodi Ewart-Shadoff took a few minutes to help me with my game in between dialing in some new equipment for herself...lol:

    ON THE COURSE:



    We had a very early start on Friday morning since some of the guys had 2 p.m. flights. Even though I didn't get much more sleep than the previous night, I definitely drank less and was thankful for that when we got to the course. I was set up to play with Rob (GolfWRX HipCheck) in a match against Ryan and Matt. I don't like to play without a little action, so we set up a GolfWRX v. TM match. Ryan and Matt both play off of around 6, Rob's a 9 and I'm a 3, so we just decided to play straight up, no shots… Nassau bet with two down autos and an auto bump at the turn. I also set-up some indies with anyone else who was willing to match cards afterwards. Jory and I played for a bottle of expensive wine, but halved. ****!



    Still friendly at this point!

    th. The greens are large and undulating and really require you to be in the right position after your approach or you will definitely have some three putts (I had four). We all got off to a decent start and I hit 3 wood from the tee and a wedge approach to the back of the green for an easy par and a halved hole.



    My daughters tell me I suck at selfies, but at least the background is pretty! image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />

    CONCLUSION:



    Since this thing is turning into a novel (trans-continental flight boredom image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />) I'll wrap it up. This was an absolutely first-class trip from top to bottom and I cannot thank TaylorMade and GolfWRX enough! Beyond the new and exciting equipment, sumptuous meals, luxurious accommodations, and all the swag, getting to share it all with such an awesome bunch of golf nuts was definitely the best! I hope to remain in touch with everyone from this trip and will definitely be playing some golf this coming season with Scott (scottaz), Chris (Gamble Gamble), Kenton (Rob Swanson), and Rob (HipCheck) as we're all reasonably close to each other out here on the east coast. (Did I mention that Scott and Kenton are BEASTS? I'm talkin' Tour-level speeds!!!)



    Many thanks to Brian, Jory, Ryan, Rob and everyone at TaylorMade for an unforgettable experience. If any of you have questions, please feel free to fire away and I'll do my best. Twist Face technology definitely works, and if it saves just one nose-diving tee shot from going OB, into a hazard, or into the gunch, then it's worth its weight in gold, as we all know those shots can be round wreckers!



    I'm heading to FL later this week and then the Dominican Republic during Super Bowl week, so I'll be putting my new M4 through its paces and will be sure to provide feedback and updates!



    Hit 'em long and straight guys and gals! image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
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    blink3665 wrote:

    scottaz wrote:

    DavePelz4 wrote:


    To the guys who went, how many of you were "fit" by a professional for the driver that you took to compare to the M3/M4? Do you think the results were derived in a big way by being fit by the best fitting professionals in the world with access to an inconceivable variety of shafts?



    Thanks for sharing!




    Not fit for the driver I took.



    Yes, in a very big way. But I didn't see anything close to a variety of shafts. That shocked me.




    That's because they make a limited selection of shafts made out of rebar! image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />






    They fit pro's there! image/WTF.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':WTF:' /> image/WTF.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':WTF:' />
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    Nice comparison on YouTube of the 2 M1's And M3......golf monthly I believe
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    Did any of the TM folks mention when the Hi-toe wedge will be available at retail?



    Thanks
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    Dewey..... awesome write-up......as with all so far....did you notice subtle difference in shape or size?
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