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insider scoop; you might be surprised
I've been using the old Pro V1x's and am about out from last years stock. Watching my supply get low, I thought I'd try a dozen of the new Pro V1x's. To my surprise, I really don't like the new Pro V1x's at all. They are much harder and spin much less around the greens. Now this all makes sense since the idea is to reduce the spin. Apparently input from some guys on tour led them to this conclusion.

As far as the Pro V1 goes, I always felt it spun too much. The kicker is, they've released a new version of it as well and guess what.....it's supposed to spin less too.

Here's where it gets good and makes sense. I'm told the new Pro V1x's are, in fact, a new design and a different ball but that the old Pro V1x's have actually become the new Pro V1's. If you think about it....the cost to Titleist to release two new balls immediately is cut in half because the production line for the old Pro V1x's is simply changed with a new stamp saying Pro V1. Aside from that, the only other change is the box to say "NEW."

If the goal was to reduce the spin from both balls a little bit, this would all make sense since the old Pro V1x's spun less than the old Pro V1's anyway.

The result.....a marketing campaign designed around two new versions of their lifeline (The Pro V) ball with the cost in R&D reduced in half by only, really coming up with just one "new" ball. BTW: this comes from a highly respected source with inside connections all the way to Wally himself, at Titleist. Even so, it's just plain great business in my opinion.

The net net is...if you liked the old Pro V1x like I did, play the new Pro V1, but shhhhhhhhh, don't tell anyone that it's the same ball.

Hmmmmmmmmmm..........makes sense right?


Jim

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sounds plausible, but I don't think thats entirely true. I'm sure the new balls have less spin and such, but I don't think its to replace one and to make a "new" one. I think they just tried to tweak each one to get more distance and thats what they came up with. Balls react differently to different people, even if its the same ball.

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i noticed that to because i played the old pro v1x and loved it but i cant get enough spin with the new one. i also got to much spin with the old pro v1 but i think the new one is perfect and has the same feel as the old pro v1x. I couldn't imagine them using the old x to be the new v but they are very very similar.

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You're right and I'm aware of that but it's also all about business and profits. Any loyal Pro V user (regardless of which one) is going to rush out to buy the "new" and "improved" version which translates into sales revenue. In addition, they will generally entice users of other brands to try them as well which translates into incremental sales revenue. Getting a player to try a new ball is half the battle. The marketing game is obvious as these companies come out with a "new" version that's "improved" every year. Hell, the Pro V1 was just "improved" the year before last.

 

Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. it's not just a "bait and switch" they are trying to pull over, but rather, replacing one ball with another because it makes good sense given the direction the ball technology is going (less spin which already exists in the one ball).....not to mention the cost involved to launch something completely new.

 

I'm sure it's much the same but with subtle changes. Remember, I didn't dream this up.

 

 

 

sounds plausible, but I don't think thats entirely true. I'm sure the new balls have less spin and such, but I don't think its to replace one and to make a "new" one. I think they just tried to tweak each one to get more distance and thats what they came up with. Balls react differently to different people, even if its the same ball.

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ODYSSEY STROKE LAB EXO 7S - CUSTOM

SCOTTY CAMERON 2001 TOUR ISSUE 3x CHOCOLATE NEWPORT BEACH
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I thought about it......what are they doing that is wrong? I don't see ANYTHING wrong with the strategy because it's just good business. Again, I'm sure subtle changes probably took place but the ball is not new and improved from the ground up.

 

just my .03 and a few pennys from a reliable source :busted_cop:

 

 

Sounds plausible, but would Titleist actually do something like that?

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Your analysis makes perfect business sense and addresses the pro's desire for a ball that spins less.

 

But what happens to old ProV1 X users who aren't privy to the idea that the new ProV1 is the old X. I'm wondering if Titleist isn't risking two market share issues...

 

Old ProV 1X users are disenchanted with the New ProV1X and change over to something like the Bridgestone B330 and old ProV 1 users[whose ss is under 100mph] don't like the new ProV1 because it spins less than the old and distance is lost.

 

It's a little convoluted at best. My guess is that Titleist is depending on most of us not being discerning enough to really be able to tell much difference...and buy based on name verses performance.

 

I did some head to head testing last Friday between the 'new' ProV1 and the Bridgestone B330 and found the Bridgestone to be measureably longer off the driver. I've played Titleist balls almost exclusively but the B330 was impressive enough for me to buy 2 more sleeves for further testing.

 

I'm just calling your 3 cents...not raising! :busted_cop:

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Gotcha and the kicker is....I was just given 2 dozen Nike One Platinum's and I gotta tell ya....these things feel incredible. They are soft yet seem to go forever off the driver and spin nicely off the irons. I will be doing some testing myself this week to see if they are as good as they seem.

 

As far as the Pro V1 and and V1x goes.....I'm not sure I will care very soon (depending on the test) but it wasn't anything I dreamed up...just info I was passing on and sharing with the wrx crew. The more I thought about it, the more sense it made. Either way, I'd bet you're right...they think we won't notice.

 

The B330 is awesome but scars pretty easily for me.

 

Changing balls is a tough thing for me so I want to be sure the move is a good one. The Nike may be the move which only means that having been a Precept user for so many years....I'll now find my way back to Bridgestone / Precept who makes both the Precepts and the Nike balls.

 

I've come full circle it appears.

 

 

Your analysis makes perfect business sense and addresses the pro's desire for a ball that spins less.

 

But what happens to old ProV1 X users who aren't privy to the idea that the new ProV1 is the old X.  I'm wondering if Titleist isn't risking two market share issues...

 

Old ProV 1X users are disenchanted with the New ProV1X and change over to something like the Bridgestone B330 and old ProV 1 users[whose ss is under 100mph] don't like the new ProV1 because it spins less than the old and distance is lost.

 

It's a little convoluted at best.  My guess is that Titleist is depending on most of us not being discerning enough to really be able to tell much difference...and buy based on name verses performance.

 

I did some head to head testing last Friday between the 'new' ProV1 and the Bridgestone B330 and found the Bridgestone to be measureably longer off the driver.  I've played Titleist balls almost exclusively but the B330 was impressive enough for me to buy 2 more sleeves for further testing.

 

I'm just calling your 3 cents...not raising! :busted_cop:

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TITLEIST TSI3 9* - HZRDUS T1100 HANDMADE 6.0 
PING G410 15* - MITZ TENSEI PRO ORANGE 70X
PING G410 17* & 19* - MITZ TENSEI BLUE X & EF BLACK X
SRIXON ZX7's - 4-PW w/SPECIAL, TOUR ISSUE, BLACK KBS TOUR V 125'S
CALLAWAY PM2 54* X & 58* X - ORIGINAL PX Satin 5.5's (HSx1)
ODYSSEY STROKE LAB EXO 7S - CUSTOM

SCOTTY CAMERON 2001 TOUR ISSUE 3x CHOCOLATE NEWPORT BEACH
2017 BRIDGESTONE B330 Tour #1's & TITLEIST PRO V #1'X

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Gotcha and the kicker is....I was just given 2 dozen Nike One Platinum's and I gotta tell ya....these things feel incredible. They are soft yet seem to go forever off the driver and spin nicely off the irons. I will be doing some testing myself this week to see if they are as good as they seem.

 

I'm just calling your 3 cents...not raising! :busted_cop:

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That's what I did...tried the NOP and ditched the ProV1 after 2+ years. The NOP is an awesome ball and the durability puts the ProV1 to shame.

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I've been using the old Pro V1x's and am about out from last years stock. Watching my supply get low, I thought I'd try a dozen of the new Pro V1x's. To my surprise, I really don't like the new Pro V1x's at all. They are much harder and spin much less around the greens. Now this all makes sense since the idea is to reduce the spin. Apparently input from some guys on tour led them to this conclusion.

 

As far as the Pro V1 goes, I always felt it spun too much. The kicker is, they've released a new version of it as well and guess what.....it's supposed to spin less too.

 

Here's where it gets good and makes sense. I'm told the new Pro V1x's are, in fact, a new design and a different ball but that the old Pro V1x's have actually become the new Pro V1's. If you think about it....the cost to Titleist to release two new balls immediately is cut in half because the production line for the old Pro V1x's is simply changed with a new stamp saying Pro V1. Aside from that, the only other change is the box to say "NEW."

 

If the goal was to reduce the spin from both balls a little bit, this would all make sense since the old Pro V1x's spun less than the old Pro V1's anyway.

 

The result.....a marketing campaign designed around two new versions of their lifeline (The Pro V) ball with the cost in R&D reduced in half by only, really coming up with just one "new" ball. BTW: this comes from a highly respected source with inside connections all the way to Wally himself, at Titleist. Even so, it's just plain great business in my opinion.

 

The net net is...if you liked the old Pro V1x like I did, play the new Pro V1, but shhhhhhhhh, don't tell anyone that it's the same ball.

 

Hmmmmmmmmmm..........makes sense right?

 

 

Jim

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Interesting theory, but wrong. The old Pro V1x and the new Pro V1x are both 4 piece, dual core designs, while the old Pro V1 and new Pro V1 are both three piece, single core designs (as the USGA conforming ball list confirms, along with Titleist's own site). So the new Pro V1 is not last year's V1x. Tweaking the cover and core formulations is not a tremendously expensive undertaking either for Titleist.

 

That said, having sampled the new and old V1s, I can say that the 05 V1 does play a little more like the old V1x, but it is still closer in driver distance, trajectory, spin and feel to the '04 V1 than it is to the '04 V1x, from my own testing.

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See there....you were able to back it up with fact given the ball's composition and design. That's great. As I had said in the post previously....I didn't dream this sh!t up. I was simply sharing what I had heard. Either way, the new V1x is too frickin' hard. They should have let well enough alone IMHFO.

 

That's it but we'll get by, right?

 

JC

 

I've been using the old Pro V1x's and am about out from last years stock. Watching my supply get low, I thought I'd try a dozen of the new Pro V1x's. To my surprise, I really don't like the new Pro V1x's at all. They are much harder and spin much less around the greens. Now this all makes sense since the idea is to reduce the spin. Apparently input from some guys on tour led them to this conclusion.

 

As far as the Pro V1 goes, I always felt it spun too much. The kicker is, they've released a new version of it as well and guess what.....it's supposed to spin less too.

 

Here's where it gets good and makes sense. I'm told the new Pro V1x's are, in fact, a new design and a different ball but that the old Pro V1x's have actually become the new Pro V1's. If you think about it....the cost to Titleist to release two new balls immediately is cut in half because the production line for the old Pro V1x's is simply changed with a new stamp saying Pro V1. Aside from that, the only other change is the box to say "NEW."

 

If the goal was to reduce the spin from both balls a little bit, this would all make sense since the old Pro V1x's spun less than the old Pro V1's anyway.

 

The result.....a marketing campaign designed around two new versions of their lifeline (The Pro V) ball with the cost in R&D reduced in half by only, really coming up with just one "new" ball. BTW: this comes from a highly respected source with inside connections all the way to Wally himself, at Titleist. Even so, it's just plain great business in my opinion.

 

The net net is...if you liked the old Pro V1x like I did, play the new Pro V1, but shhhhhhhhh, don't tell anyone that it's the same ball.

 

Hmmmmmmmmmm..........makes sense right?

 

 

Jim

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Interesting theory, but wrong. The old Pro V1x and the new Pro V1x are both 4 piece, dual core designs, while the old Pro V1 and new Pro V1 are both three piece, single core designs (as the USGA conforming ball list confirms, along with Titleist's own site). So the new Pro V1 is not last year's V1x. Tweaking the cover and core formulations is not a tremendously expensive undertaking either for Titleist.

 

That said, having sampled the new and old V1s, I can say that the 05 V1 does play a little more like the old V1x, but it is still closer in driver distance, trajectory, spin and feel to the '04 V1 than it is to the '04 V1x, from my own testing.

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TITLEIST TSI3 9* - HZRDUS T1100 HANDMADE 6.0 
PING G410 15* - MITZ TENSEI PRO ORANGE 70X
PING G410 17* & 19* - MITZ TENSEI BLUE X & EF BLACK X
SRIXON ZX7's - 4-PW w/SPECIAL, TOUR ISSUE, BLACK KBS TOUR V 125'S
CALLAWAY PM2 54* X & 58* X - ORIGINAL PX Satin 5.5's (HSx1)
ODYSSEY STROKE LAB EXO 7S - CUSTOM

SCOTTY CAMERON 2001 TOUR ISSUE 3x CHOCOLATE NEWPORT BEACH
2017 BRIDGESTONE B330 Tour #1's & TITLEIST PRO V #1'X

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