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  • zebra2955zebra2955 Members Posts: 560 ✭✭
    Finally got to hit outdoors. Heated driving range. Set my F7on 12* with a 12g weight in the high and a 12* weight in the draw. Now I am really looking forward to this season.
    Cobra F7

    Callaway Epic

    Cobra F6 fairway woods

    Cobra F6 hybrids, 3-4 and 4-5

    Cobra F6 irons 6i -PW, GW

    Harry Taylor 54* and 58* wedges

    Odyssey "O" Works 2 ball, Super Stroke mid slim 2.0 grip

    What ever ball Costco has LOL
  • asw7576asw7576 Members Posts: 1,089
    16 degree here image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />



    I notice the ball will fly straighter ( not curving or less curving ) maybe because of the loft 16 degree or matching shaft to suit my swing mechanics.
    [font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Drivers : Taylormade RBZ S2, JetSpeed, SLDR S[/font]
    [font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Fairways : Taylormade SLDR S, Callaway X2 Hot[/font]
    [font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Hybrids : Taylormade RBZ S2, SLDRS S[/font]
    [font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Irons : Mizuno JPX 800 HD, Yamaha Inpres X Z Cavity 2013 & Z 2016, Maruman Titus & X1 [/font]
    [font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Wedges : Mizuno T4[/font]
    [font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Putters : Oddyssey Tank 2 balls, Works 2 fangs[/font]
    [font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Shoes : Footjoy DNA[/font]
  • erock9174erock9174 North Canton, OHMembers Posts: 3,943 ✭✭
    asw7576 wrote:


    16 degree here image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />



    I notice the ball will fly straighter ( not curving or less curving ) maybe because of the loft 16 degree or matching shaft to suit my swing mechanics.




    What head are you playing ?

    Driver: PXG Gen 2 0811 XF 14*
    FW: Ping G400 SFT 5w
    Hybrids: Exotics XRail 23*/26*
    Irons: Ping G700 6-UW
    Wedges: Cleveland CBX 56*/60* - Callaway Sure Out 64*
    Putter: Ping Sigma G Tyne H


  • puttitinputtitin Members Posts: 1,383 ✭✭
    I have a Wishon 919 THI driver in 11°. Just wants to go high,straight and long.

    I also have a Ping G20 9.5° which goes just as high and long. Had it digitally measured : 11.5° !!!
    Driver : WISHON 919 THI + XXIO 9
    Woods :  TM M2 3W + 5W
    Hybrids : TM M2 RESCUE 22° + 25°
    Irons : JPX-800-HD  + TM R7 XD + PING RAPTUR V2 (Wishon 771 CSI for sale)
    Wedges : MIZUNO MX-200 50-07 MIZUNO MX SERIES 55-12
    Putter : ODYSSEY WHITE HOT  RX  #2
  • asw7576asw7576 Members Posts: 1,089
    erock9174 wrote:

    asw7576 wrote:


    16 degree here image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />



    I notice the ball will fly straighter ( not curving or less curving ) maybe because of the loft 16 degree or matching shaft to suit my swing mechanics.




    What head are you playing ?




    SLDR-S
    [font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Drivers : Taylormade RBZ S2, JetSpeed, SLDR S[/font]
    [font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Fairways : Taylormade SLDR S, Callaway X2 Hot[/font]
    [font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Hybrids : Taylormade RBZ S2, SLDRS S[/font]
    [font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Irons : Mizuno JPX 800 HD, Yamaha Inpres X Z Cavity 2013 & Z 2016, Maruman Titus & X1 [/font]
    [font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Wedges : Mizuno T4[/font]
    [font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Putters : Oddyssey Tank 2 balls, Works 2 fangs[/font]
    [font=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Shoes : Footjoy DNA[/font]
  • zebra2955zebra2955 Members Posts: 560 ✭✭
    Went to the range with my old Bio Cell. I set it to 12* It's like a new club. If only I knew about this before
    Cobra F7

    Callaway Epic

    Cobra F6 fairway woods

    Cobra F6 hybrids, 3-4 and 4-5

    Cobra F6 irons 6i -PW, GW

    Harry Taylor 54* and 58* wedges

    Odyssey "O" Works 2 ball, Super Stroke mid slim 2.0 grip

    What ever ball Costco has LOL
  • gvogelgvogel Members Posts: 7,318 ✭✭


    I'd love for someone to explain how the physics work with high launch shafts. I've read about them but it's confusing. I can hit it good but it's almost the same as going up 2-3* putting something like the aldila DWS in the club. It just launches high as can be. Same with my gamer ilima. Meant as a fairway shaft but let's me Play 10.5.



    Lots of knobs to turn to find the correct set up for sure.




    High launch shafts have more bend in the lower 1/3 (towards the head) than mid launch shafts. When your club approaches the ball at impact, it quite commonly has the shaft bending toward the target - and also toward the ground (toe drop). That extra bend toward the target increases the effective loft on your driver - hence higher loft. All things considered, higher spin as well.
    On Sundays, I used to play hickory
  • gvogelgvogel Members Posts: 7,318 ✭✭
    I have ordered a 917 D2 with a 12* head and a long 47" shaft. I ordered the shaft in stiff ( I normally play regular). It should be fun, but I might hit moon balls. I have an old Ping 9.5* G30 head with a 48" stiff shaft that I can play if my timing is really good. I get another 5 - 10 yards with that baby, but only on good days. It is tough to play when it is windy.



    IF the 12* Titleist head doesn't work with the 47" shaft, I can always but the VTS Red regular that I play in the 10.5* head as a fairway finder. OR early year, soft fairway club.



    Fun game.
    On Sundays, I used to play hickory
  • jjones922jjones922 Members Posts: 99 ✭✭
    added a degree to the adjustable driver and seem to hit it to high, anyway to tell launch angle without a launch monitor?
  • Boiler0007Boiler0007 Members Posts: 193 ✭✭
    I had a 12* Bridgestone 815 a few years ago that seemed longer than any 10.5* drivers I had prior.
  • jjones922jjones922 Members Posts: 99 ✭✭
    asw7576 wrote:


    16 degree here image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />



    I notice the ball will fly straighter ( not curving or less curving ) maybe because of the loft 16 degree or matching shaft to suit my swing mechanics.






    a higher lofted driver should put less side spin on the ball, which results in this
  • grant2145grant2145 Members Posts: 107 ✭✭
    A higher lofted driver can help achieve an optimal launch angle.



    For drivers, the dynamic loft (the loft of the club at impact) of the club accounts for about 85% of the launch angle. The angle of attack accounts for the remaining 15%. The ideal vertical launch angle for most amateurs will be in the 13-15 degree range.



    Example: A driver with a dynamic loft of 15 degrees at impact with a +3.0 degree attack angle will result in a launch angle of 13.2 degrees. (15*.85) + (3*.15)
  • CurtdrCurtdr Members Posts: 29 ✭✭
    Well I must admit I am glad to read this thread and a couple related ones. After years of playing 10.5 drivers, stiff shafts, I did a pretty thorough fitting and I was surprised by a couple of things... one of which was the data-truth that I got my best, longest, most consistent driving out of a 13.5 w Regular flex.



    I would not have thought it... neither the 13.5 loft nor the Reg flex being more accurate as well as longer... but the data was right there in front of me. It's just been a little hard to accept it, because it was so unexpected, for me, and so I'm glad to see at least some partial validation that you people out there are considering and/or using higher lofted drivers. It makes me feel better about heading off in that direction, towards that 13.5 reg.
  • evansmar004evansmar004 Members Posts: 76
    All about the perfect launch. If I used a 12 degree I would lose 20-30 yards. High swing speed and low spin player. 9.5 works perfect.
  • GSDriverGSDriver Members Posts: 597 ✭✭
    One of our Sunday regulars (about a 16 hdcp) just picked up a 13.5 Fusion, dialed it down to 11.5, keeps ball in the air longer so more carry, but less roll out.



    Beauty of adjustable drivers, if wet and need carry, loft up....if need run out, dial it down.
    Epic Speeder 661
    Rogue 4 Wood Evenflow 75 Blue
    Epic Hybrids 3/4/5
    Apex Pro 6-P Recoil 110 F4
    MD Slate Forged 52
    PM Grind 56/60
    Odyssey 7S
    All grips except putter are Iomic Sticky 2.3
  • just plain billjust plain bill Unregistered Posts: 1,488


    All about the perfect launch. If I used a 12 degree I would lose 20-30 yards. High swing speed and low spin player. 9.5 works perfect.


    you're a plus hcap. for the rest of us mortals, a little more loft is helpful, lol.

    i have used my old ping k15 10.5 hook machine the last 3-4 rounds just to see if i could tame it. if i aim way right i can keep it in the fairway, but once or twice it goes straight and gets me in trouble, so i gotta try to use it only when absolutely safe. always experimenting...the secret is finding a club that will do the same thing every time, but still gets yardage...the 16* is straight as can be (altho i can fade it slightly when necessary) but is a bit shorter off the tee, as might be expected, so the next shot/club has to make up the difference...i think i've finally tamed the 22*, and it's making a big difference. just gotta be careful not to swing it too hard. did pop a 74 wednesday, with 4 birdies on the back! chipped in with pw, chipped in next hole with putter, dropped 2 bombs for the other 2. sometimes lucky is good!

    congrats on your hcap! you must really know what you're doing!
  • just plain billjust plain bill Unregistered Posts: 1,488
    fortunately, i can play every day if i want, so i play mon-thu, usually rest on fri, and go practice sat & sun to avoid the crowds. that practice, especially chipping, has really helped. i'll chip about 50 balls each day, most with pw, and it's really giving me confidence around the greens, as noted above. also hit about 50 putts each day, most from 4-8ft. at my age i need a short game to get a decent score...
  • just plain billjust plain bill Unregistered Posts: 1,488
    GSDriver wrote:


    One of our Sunday regulars (about a 16 hdcp) just picked up a 13.5 Fusion, dialed it down to 11.5, keeps ball in the air longer so more carry, but less roll out.



    Beauty of adjustable drivers, if wet and need carry, loft up....if need run out, dial it down.


    as you can see, i carry 2 or 3 drivers, lol. i can get away with it cuz i have 2 clubs that can do the work of 4 (31* & 22*). in fact, oddly enough, i can use the 31* on a certain 120yd par 3 by teeing the ball higher than i would for an iron...last 2 rounds i tried it and was on the green both times (my irons are a weak spot. always have been)
  • RrsclydeRrsclyde Members Posts: 182 ✭✭
    I’m eager to demo the Mizuno 190 HL version when it gets released.
    PXG Gen2 0811XF Graphite Design Tour AD VR stiff-regular
    Ping G410 3 Hybrid
    Mizuno JPX 5 Hybrid
    Apex 19 Smoke Combo 5-AW Elevate Tour reg (hardstepped)
    Vokey Slate Blue 55* & 60*
    Piretti Savona Elite
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  • conorgolf22conorgolf22 Members Posts: 583 ✭✭
    Rrsclyde wrote:


    I’m eager to demo the Mizuno 190 HL version when it gets released.




    Me too
    [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Driver: Callaway Rogue 13.5* Aldila Rogue Elite Blue[/font]
    [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Fairway: Ping G400 17* Aldila 2KXV Orange[/font]
    [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Hybrid: Titleist 816H1 21* Aldila Tour Green[/font]
    [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Driving Iron: PXG 0311X 4 iron Steelfiber i95[/font]
    [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Irons: Mizuno 919 Forged 5-PW Steelfiber i95[/font]
    [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Wedges: Vokey SM6 52* New Level M-Type 58* and 62*[/font]
    [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Putter: Scotty Cameron X7M[/font]
    [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Ball: Titleist ProV1X[/font]
  • platgofplatgof platgof ClubWRX Posts: 1,432 ClubWRX
    Callaway Fusion 13.5 that is set -1* D. This is my favorite driver of all time. Line the face up with the ball and hit it. Did not miss a fairway today, and this is my usual play.
    GBB Fusion HT 13.5
    F9 5-6 WD
    F9 7-8 WD
    OS 5 & 6 Hybrid
    P790 5-PW
    Glide AW, SW, LW
    TM Spider Pro Red C/S
    B330RX
  • JustsomeguyJustsomeguy Members Posts: 991 ✭✭
    Doesn't work for every modest speed player. I'm mid 90s on a hot day with the driver, and I've experimented from 9.5* up to 13.5* through the 915 Titleist line, with 4 different shafts.

    Max loft and spin was 13.5 with a red diamana reg shaft. I was finding pitch marks in dry fairways. Often the ball was 6 inches towards the tee box.

    Min loft and spin was 9.5 aldila nv stiff green. Difficult to elevate. It would roll, but not enough carry to get out there first.

    Tried the 12* head dialed back to 11.25* for awhile, tried an old kai li stuff from the 910 gen, tried the two shafts already mentioned, tried the R flex of the 915 diamana blue gen. Just too much loft. Same problem as max loft, nearly as extreme.

    Eventually settled on 9.5 lofted up to 10.25 with the same R shaft. I get a good mix of carry and roll, although I am still kind of on the carry side. I figure that's for the best since I know my ss and the parabola equation. I tried the 9.5 setting w same shaft and not enough carry.

    It's all a little weird bc my longest drives were with an older 10.5 with stiff shaft when I first started playing, but the swing is totally different, so oh well.

    But for me as a low to mid 90s swinger, lofting up w a more flexible shaft was not a magic bullet, and definitely robbed me of precious yardage.
    Titleist 915D3 9.5*, Diamana S+ Blue 60, R, @11*
    Titleist 915F 15* Diamana S+ Blue 70, R
    Titleist 915H 20* Diamana S+ Blue 70, R
    Titleist 716 AP1 4-W52, Kuro Kage Tini 65, S
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  • just plain billjust plain bill Unregistered Posts: 1,488
    I also have the nike sasquatch lucky 13 driver. Been really working on the 10.5, but it's still a bucking bronco hook machine. Would like to get the k15 in 12° cuz I do prefer a draw bias (always have), but would hope for more accurate results. Finding the balance is a trial. The 16° is always reliable, but I'm trying to get more off the tee. 13 is gonna get the next practice time.

    Here's something wild. Hit 50 balls today with the 31° 6hyb, 75yds to 95yds. Choked all the way down on it, with a 70% swing. Liked it! Put more on those target greens than usual.
  • pinestreetgolfpinestreetgolf Members Posts: 3,416 ✭✭
    edited Dec 28, 2018 #55


    I also have the nike sasquatch lucky 13 driver. Been really working on the 10.5, but it's still a bucking bronco hook machine. Would like to get the k15 in 12° cuz I do prefer a draw bias (always have), but would hope for more accurate results. Finding the balance is a trial. The 16° is always reliable, but I'm trying to get more off the tee. 13 is gonna get the next practice time.

    Here's something wild. Hit 50 balls today with the 31° 6hyb, 75yds to 95yds. Choked all the way down on it, with a 70% swing. Liked it! Put more on those target greens than usual.




    I have a Lucky 13 in my trunk that is 43" long, 210 grams with lead tape (average 3 wood weight) and shafted with a s300 (they made s300 driver shafts at one point, not sure if they still do, but they're on ebay). It comes in for the 3 wood if there are not at least two par 5s i can hit in two with a good drive. Its incredible at hitting the ball dead straight. I put all the tape on the right rear, play the ball up in the stance and line up open. Very repeatable 240-255 carry cut shot, even under pressure.



    Its a frankenwood but its invaluable on courses where a 3 wood is only a tee club.
    Nike SQ Lucky 13* w/ Aldila Tour Green 75 X-Flex, 43.5"
    Ping G30 Hybrids 2 17*,  3 19*, 4 22* TFC 419 Stiff
    Pinhawk SL 5-SW +3 Up Apollo Stiff 115
    PM Grind 64*
  • just plain billjust plain bill Unregistered Posts: 1,488


    Doesn't work for every modest speed player. I'm mid 90s on a hot day with the driver, and I've experimented from 9.5* up to 13.5* through the 915 Titleist line, with 4 different shafts.

    Max loft and spin was 13.5 with a red diamana reg shaft. I was finding pitch marks in dry fairways. Often the ball was 6 inches towards the tee box.

    Min loft and spin was 9.5 aldila nv stiff green. Difficult to elevate. It would roll, but not enough carry to get out there first.

    Tried the 12* head dialed back to 11.25* for awhile, tried an old kai li stuff from the 910 gen, tried the two shafts already mentioned, tried the R flex of the 915 diamana blue gen. Just too much loft. Same problem as max loft, nearly as extreme.

    Eventually settled on 9.5 lofted up to 10.25 with the same R shaft. I get a good mix of carry and roll, although I am still kind of on the carry side. I figure that's for the best since I know my ss and the parabola equation. I tried the 9.5 setting w same shaft and not enough carry.

    It's all a little weird bc my longest drives were with an older 10.5 with stiff shaft when I first started playing, but the swing is totally different, so oh well.

    But for me as a low to mid 90s swinger, lofting up w a more flexible shaft was not a magic bullet, and definitely robbed me of precious yardage.


    For me I think the higher loft allows me to swing a bit harder, but retain accuracy. But I am used to draw drivers since the beginning...we all gotta find what works best! I just know when I step on it I need accuracy as well. Dont we all, lol
  • just plain billjust plain bill Unregistered Posts: 1,488
    Gonna really work that 13 this weekend. Same stock shaft as the 16. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
  • just plain billjust plain bill Unregistered Posts: 1,488
    Played with two guys yesterday. They hadn't played in a month, but definitely had game. One guy kept struggling with his 9°. Finally I had him swing the 10.5. Bingo!

    I really like the draw bias of the k15. Think I'm gonna get it in 12.
  • third-times-a-charmthird-times-a-charm Members Posts: 1,476 ✭✭
    My 9 deg Rogue is turned up to 11 deg and has been working great. I choke down 1/2" on the grip too.
    Long Live Nike
  • just plain billjust plain bill Unregistered Posts: 1,488
    Every time I used the 16 today I hit it where I would hit the other drivers, only right down the middle. Had a buddy swing it once, and he parked his 9.5 and used my 16 on the back, lol. There's just something about that dang club! I should stop searching...or should I, heh heh...
  • RainShadowRainShadow Tucson AZ (for now)Members Posts: 3,680 ✭✭
    edited Jan 9, 2019 4:52pm #61
    I've been struggling with my Epic 10.5 lately 45" set at Straight/Neutral, animal style )tried at 11.5( alot less roll += more spin)

    Went to get fitted for a G400, and the fitter asked to tweak my Epic a bit. Both weight to the heel, 9.5 draw setting......BOOM dropped the spin down to 2400, and hitting nice tight draws, at least according to the monitor.

    My SS is right around 90-93, and I play a Speeder 661 Stiff. I've tried regular flex and heavier in the past without success.

    Imagine my surprise when he put in a 10* G400LST / Hzrdus yellow 71g 6.0 gving me the best #'s, followed closely by the G400 9.5 with the same shaft. Both with great dispersion and about 7-8 yards more carry than the Epic setup. And way more forgiving on miss hits!

    Going to a Ping fitting at Papago next week and hope to verify outdoors, and try the HZRDUS in 5.5.

    I am a bit more of a hitter, but i goes to show that lofting up ain't always the solution.
    Ping G400 10.5 Hzrdus Yellow 75 6.0
    Rogue 17* Atmos Blue TS
    G 410 19* Tour 85 R
    Apex  23 & 26 Kuro Kage S
    Cobra Forged Tec Black 6-GW Modus 105s (In Play) / Srixon Z765 6-GW Modus 105s (Standing By)
    MackDaddy4 Black 54 S and RTX 3 Raw 58* 
     Bettinardi '16 BB1 / '16 Bettinardi Tiki /  '17 Studio Stock 8
    Chrome Soft / TP5/ Wilson Staff FG Tour
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