Bryson DeChambeau WITB: 2018 Farmers Insurance

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  • Rich DouglasRich Douglas Members Posts: 324 ✭✭
    billh17 wrote:

    scottb15 wrote:


    This kid needs to understand his weird equipment isn't gonna benefit him in the long run. I think he's got a ton of potential but until he conforms to what works instead of what in theory could work he will never reach it.


    That equipment isn't weird. The one length irons have a large number of users and more are changing as word of mouth gives them good reviews.

    You should try them for a season and then critique them.




    According to Tom Wishon, Sterling one-length irons sales are way off in Year 2.
    Driver: Titleist 917 D3 (Aldila Rogue MAX 65)
    2W: TM Mini Driver
    3H: Ping G410 (19 degrees)
    Irons: Wishon Sterling Single Length 4I-LW
    Putter: Bloodline (mallet)
    Ball: Callaway Chrome Soft
  • Rich DouglasRich Douglas Members Posts: 324 ✭✭
    J-Tizzle wrote:


    Love the bag for sure! If Ping ever made a single length set I'd get on board and try them out. Maybe not a full set, but if you could get me the 5-9 all the same length, then maybe step down the wedges... I've heard that the single biggest complaint about the SLI, the wedges are super awkward to try to hit a soft chip with a 7i length club.



    I'm a big BAD supporter, I think the game needs more guys like him. If he'd only go back to his side saddle I'd stop getting so much crap for it...




    I'm with you on the Pings; they're the only thing that could get me away from my Sterlings. But I don't agree with your comment about wedges.



    The advantage of the single-length approach is just that: one length. Your logic is common among those who haven't done this: get the advantage of shorter "long" irons without the disadvantage of longer "short irons" and wedges. But it really defeats the main purpose of grooving one swing. It took a little practice, but I hit my Sterling wedges (PW and GW) just as well as the other irons and better than my old ones. That's because I'm more consistent throughout the set. So much so that--even though I swore I wouldn't do it--I'm considering getting the SW and LW just to see how they are.
    Driver: Titleist 917 D3 (Aldila Rogue MAX 65)
    2W: TM Mini Driver
    3H: Ping G410 (19 degrees)
    Irons: Wishon Sterling Single Length 4I-LW
    Putter: Bloodline (mallet)
    Ball: Callaway Chrome Soft
  • Rich DouglasRich Douglas Members Posts: 324 ✭✭
    buckeyefl wrote:




    So you actually think SL sets are a new idea?



    Cool. Go find a company willing to properly build you a set like Edel did for Bryson. Even more so than regular sets, the single length sets require a lot of expensive ( very time consuming) work.




    Is that what you did with YOUR SL set? I mean, surely you must have experienced a set to pontificate on them in such a persistently negative manner. Please don't disappoint by telling us you haven't played a set for a year or longer!



    Actually SL sets are a very old idea, going back to the days of hickory shafts. But engineering them with steel shafts required very recently developed technologies in head design.
    Driver: Titleist 917 D3 (Aldila Rogue MAX 65)
    2W: TM Mini Driver
    3H: Ping G410 (19 degrees)
    Irons: Wishon Sterling Single Length 4I-LW
    Putter: Bloodline (mallet)
    Ball: Callaway Chrome Soft
  • ewfnickewfnick Members Posts: 40 ✭✭
    I must admit, I am not too keen on this blokes personality, but having watched a few of the videos abut him on YouTube, I must admit he does make things look a lot simpler in the way he goes about the game, from the single length irons to the fat grips.

    His swing is very simple and therefore easier to repeat and we all know this game is about consistency, if we hit a good or bad shot we want to know what went wrong, if you do the same thing every time, you get used to expecting the same result and if it is a simple method there are far fewer things to go wrong.

    Now I really cannot see me going the single length route, I am too much of a traditionalist to do that and I really think they look horrid in the way they sit in the bag, I can often be caught out just staring at my clubs as they, in my opinion, look like works of art, almost a sculpture that can be walked around....sorry, I digress.

    To get back to the purpose of my post here, it will be interesting to see if any other pros go along a similar route, maybe the next great one will be hatched using tools such as Brysons'!
  • tylerfriesentylerfriesen Members Posts: 75
    I work in golf retail, I've seen tons of guys try out the single length, it's a super small percentage that go with them. They are a fit for some golfers, just not very many
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  • Regul8rRegul8r RG Members Posts: 102
    QMany wrote:


    Maybe it is the angle the picture is taken and how the clubs may be sitting in his bag, but the irons and wedges didn't strike me as "single length."



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    The irons are all single length. They dont all slide to the bottom of the bag because he uses jumbo max grips and they dont fit!
  • weggy5weggy5 SeattleMembers Posts: 89 ✭✭
    Pretty scientific indeed.
  • ccotton84ccotton84 Members Posts: 29 ✭✭
    I'm sure Cobra is insistent on using their irons since they built their single iron business with him in mind, but I wonder if he would prefer to go back to Edel (even though he has played really well of late!)
  • GooseGoose Junior Mod Squad Posts: 1,270 ✭✭
    Which Bridgestone ball is he playing?
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  • kenstlkenstl Members Posts: 423 ✭✭
    edited Jun 3, 2018 #71


    He registered another win today in Jack's tournament


    On his process switching from Bridgestone's B330S golf ball to the Tour B X:


    I played the B330S ball for a while, but then I had to switch to something that didn't spin as much. When I did that my distances were going 7 to 8 yards farther, and then depending on the conditions at hand, it could change more or less off those numbers.


    We spent three or four hours out at TPC Las Colinas, where I'm practicing and playing out of right now, to determine how much more consistent the new ball was. I'm testing it on the range but also taking it out on the course to determine how it reacts into the wind and downwind. I'm also looking to see how it reacts off of different lies, whether the spin rates change — just get comfortable with every situation.


    I'm also looking at what happens when my adrenaline hikes up because that can change the neuromuscular transmission of your rhythm, so you have to take account for that and know what happens in those situations. There are a bunch of variables.
    Cobra LTD Driver
    Wishon 929 4 wood
    SL Sterling Irons 5-LW
    Evnroll Arm Lock Putter
  • danmurphdanmurph Members Posts: 62
  • stagolfer06stagolfer06 Members Posts: 1,049 ✭✭
    scottb15 wrote:


    This kid needs to understand his weird equipment isn't gonna benefit him in the long run. I think he's got a ton of potential but until he conforms to what works instead of what in theory could work he will never reach it.




    Brilliant call.
  • kenstlkenstl Members Posts: 423 ✭✭

    scottb15 wrote:


    This kid needs to understand his weird equipment isn't gonna benefit him in the long run. I think he's got a ton of potential but until he conforms to what works instead of what in theory could work he will never reach it.




    Brilliant call.




    LOL. A lot of improved processes and products in this world would of never occurred if everyone had taken the above advice
    Cobra LTD Driver
    Wishon 929 4 wood
    SL Sterling Irons 5-LW
    Evnroll Arm Lock Putter
  • gunmetalgunmetal Members Posts: 1,829 ✭✭
    If he continues to do what he's doing (winning every year), he'll be known for a lot more than just winning golf tourneys and wearing an old school hat.
  • dan360dan360 Paisano Members Posts: 5,280 ✭✭
    I'm excited every time he wins or is in contention.
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  • gregcindyhgregcindyh Members Posts: 1,001
    Guys that say he is arrogant and entitled don't know him. I know his father and played golf with him when Bryson was just a kid. He comes from a moderate income family. His dad worked at the golf club where Bryson's coach works, very average lifestyle. He is not entitled and had to work hard for his game just like every other person who plays golf. His arrogant personality is mistaken for confidence. Check the story of his dad and you find out what it's all about. Mike Watney, once the golf coach for Fresno State, yes Nick Watney's uncle. offered to give Jon, (Bryce's father) his kidney, because Jon needs a transplant do to sugar diabetes, which caused Jon to lose his foot last year. There's more to this kid than you think!
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  • tatertottatertot Members Posts: 4,380 ✭✭
    ccotton84 wrote:


    I'm sure Cobra is insistent on using their irons since they built their single iron business with him in mind, but I wonder if he would prefer to go back to Edel (even though he has played really well of late!)




    I think he's doing OK with Cobra.
    Driver: Adams Speedline Fast 11, 9.5*
    Hybrid: Titleist 816H1, 19*
    Long Iron: Ping iE1, 26*
    Mid Iron: Ping iE1, 32*
    Short Iron: Ping iE1, 41*
    Wedge: Ping iE1, 45*
    Gap: Ping Glide SS, 52*
    Lob: Ping Glide ES, 60*
    Putter: Yes Callie Mid, 41"
    Ball: Bridgestone Tour B XS
    Bag: Sun Mountain Swift X
  • HackinatorHackinator Members Posts: 430 ✭✭
    If he was true to his philosophy, then all the clubs from the 60 degree Wedge to driver should have the same length shaft.



    This is obviously not the case.



    And his 4 and 5 i, are longer length than the other irons.
  • QuigleyDUQuigleyDU Members Posts: 6,542 ✭✭
    I have that same putter, it is pretty awesome. best feeling putter i have ever tried.
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  • J-TizzleJ-Tizzle Hello Members Posts: 3,392 ✭✭
    Hackinator wrote:


    If he was true to his philosophy, then all the clubs from the 60 degree Wedge to driver should have the same length shaft.



    This is obviously not the case.



    And his 4 and 5 i, are longer length than the other irons.




    That picture above the DI look the same length at the 8i right beside them.



    As for the lengths, I bet it would be hard to get a driver with a 7i lie angle...



    Not sure his "approach" ever really included single length everything...
    G400 8.5* - G400 14.5* - Baffler 19.5* - G410 23* - i500 5-U - Gorge Stealth 56* (@55*), 60* - BG F22
  • staysober for golfstaysober for golf Low carb guy Members Posts: 1,029 ✭✭
    Good Win!!!
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  • geno4952geno4952 Members Posts: 120 ✭✭
    buckeyefl wrote:

    rybo wrote:

    buckeyefl wrote:

    billh17 wrote:

    scottb15 wrote:


    This kid needs to understand his weird equipment isn't gonna benefit him in the long run. I think he's got a ton of potential but until he conforms to what works instead of what in theory could work he will never reach it.


    That equipment isn't weird. The one length irons have a large number of users and more are changing as word of mouth gives them good reviews.

    You should try them for a season and then critique them.




    Not to spoil your fun but you may want to look up the definition of "weird", "large" and possibly "good".



    They do not have a large number of users, they are "weird" and "good" reviews are only from the SMALL number of people who have convinced themselves they work. They would have gotten much more benefit if they had spent their money of a proper fitting and maybe a course management class.




    So are you still playing a 150cc wooden driver head? A steel shaft in your driver and fairway woods? An 8802 or bullseye putter? How about a wound ball? A sand wedge without a large flange and bounce? All of these were deemed weird and had 'mixed' reviews upon release. Thankfully people choose not to conform and to look past what everyone else is doing.



    We don't live in a world of standardization, we live in a world of customization! Golf is no different




    So you actually think SL sets are a new idea?



    Cool. Go find a company willing to properly build you a set like Edel did for Bryson. Even more so than regular sets, the single length sets require a lot of expensive ( very time consuming) work.










    If we all conformed to one way of doing things we would all be playing wooden shafts and driving Ford Model Ts.....



    NCAA Individual title, US Amateur, now 2 tour wins and #22 in the world....so much for conformity.





    No, one length irons are not new. In fact Tommy Armour had single length 845S in the mid 1990's. As far as being much more expensive just stop and think a minute... if changing the lie angles or lengths was expensive and time consuming noone would get custom fit for their irons. You only have to add or subtract 2 or 3 degrees in the lie angle to make all clubs the lie angle of a 7 iron and only add or subtract an inch or 2 to get to the same length. Neither of which is time consuming or expensive.
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    Callaway Heaven Wood
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    Ping Kushin putter ...(changes often)

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  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Members Posts: 7,250 ✭✭
    Thing that surprises me is that he's still sticking with LTD in the driver and 3w. I think even Lexi finally changed this year to the F8 line after being in LTD for longer than normal. Seeing as he's such a numbers guy, he probably has no reason to make the switch if he's getting near perfect launch conditions.



    He has some serious speed, too... Doesn't look like it but I saw he was getting 170mph ball speed off the 3w late yesterday...he can bring it.
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  • avg_josephavg_joseph Members Posts: 487 ✭✭
    geno4952 wrote:






    If we all conformed to one way of doing things we would all be playing wooden shafts and driving Ford Model Ts.....



    NCAA Individual title, US Amateur, now 2 tour wins and #22 in the world....so much for conformity.





    No, one length irons are not new. In fact Tommy Armour had single length 845S in the mid 1990's. As far as being much more expensive just stop and think a minute... if changing the lie angles or lengths was expensive and time consuming noone would get custom fit for their irons. You only have to add or subtract 2 or 3 degrees in the lie angle to make all clubs the lie angle of a 7 iron and only add or subtract an inch or 2 to get to the same length. Neither of which is time consuming or expensive.




    You’re forgetting swingweight, all the heads have to be the same weight, wedges are typically ~300 grams, easy to grind weight off of those, but the lower lofted irons have to have ALOT, as much as 30+ grams added. New molds/dies or adding weight = machining costs and = $$$$$$
  • J-TizzleJ-Tizzle Hello Members Posts: 3,392 ✭✭
    avg_joseph wrote:

    geno4952 wrote:


    If we all conformed to one way of doing things we would all be playing wooden shafts and driving Ford Model Ts.....



    NCAA Individual title, US Amateur, now 2 tour wins and #22 in the world....so much for conformity.





    No, one length irons are not new. In fact Tommy Armour had single length 845S in the mid 1990's. As far as being much more expensive just stop and think a minute... if changing the lie angles or lengths was expensive and time consuming noone would get custom fit for their irons. You only have to add or subtract 2 or 3 degrees in the lie angle to make all clubs the lie angle of a 7 iron and only add or subtract an inch or 2 to get to the same length. Neither of which is time consuming or expensive.




    You're forgetting swingweight, all the heads have to be the same weight, wedges are typically ~300 grams, easy to grind weight off of those, but the lower lofted irons have to have ALOT, as much as 30+ grams added. New molds/dies or adding weight = machining costs and = $$$$$$




    All they need to do is have Ping make them and I'm sure they'd have plenty of people willing to try. Still half considering ordering a set of G400's tweaked to SL specs.



    I love the idea, but I looked at some of the Cobra SL irons and they looked pretty awkward to me. But I hit G25 irons, so nothing looks quite as good as those beauties...
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  • geno4952geno4952 Members Posts: 120 ✭✭
    avg_joseph wrote:

    geno4952 wrote:


    If we all conformed to one way of doing things we would all be playing wooden shafts and driving Ford Model Ts.....



    NCAA Individual title, US Amateur, now 2 tour wins and #22 in the world....so much for conformity.





    No, one length irons are not new. In fact Tommy Armour had single length 845S in the mid 1990's. As far as being much more expensive just stop and think a minute... if changing the lie angles or lengths was expensive and time consuming noone would get custom fit for their irons. You only have to add or subtract 2 or 3 degrees in the lie angle to make all clubs the lie angle of a 7 iron and only add or subtract an inch or 2 to get to the same length. Neither of which is time consuming or expensive.




    You're forgetting swingweight, all the heads have to be the same weight, wedges are typically ~300 grams, easy to grind weight off of those, but the lower lofted irons have to have ALOT, as much as 30+ grams added. New molds/dies or adding weight = machining costs and = $$$$$$




    yeah.... I didn't think about the SW but if you check some of the places that sell components you can buy the SL heads for about $15 each.... not a lot more than the regular heads...so it can't be that hard to get them all the same weight, I guess....I'm no expert but the cost factor seems to be a minimal difference.
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  • tatertottatertot Members Posts: 4,380 ✭✭
    Hackinator wrote:


    If he was true to his philosophy, then all the clubs from the 60 degree Wedge to driver should have the same length shaft.



    This is obviously not the case.



    And his 4 and 5 i, are longer length than the other irons.




    Where did you get this nugget of info?
    Driver: Adams Speedline Fast 11, 9.5*
    Hybrid: Titleist 816H1, 19*
    Long Iron: Ping iE1, 26*
    Mid Iron: Ping iE1, 32*
    Short Iron: Ping iE1, 41*
    Wedge: Ping iE1, 45*
    Gap: Ping Glide SS, 52*
    Lob: Ping Glide ES, 60*
    Putter: Yes Callie Mid, 41"
    Ball: Bridgestone Tour B XS
    Bag: Sun Mountain Swift X
  • mefnocerousmefnocerous Members Posts: 177 ✭✭
    @hackinator, where did he ever say every club in his bag would be one length? Why such a hater? He's found something that works for him because he didn't just follow the pack blindly. Give him credit where it's due.



    What id really like to see are those lie angles. Aren't they super upright? 74* or something along those lines?
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  • mefnocerousmefnocerous Members Posts: 177 ✭✭
    kenstl wrote:


    He registered another win today in Jack's tournament


    On his process switching from Bridgestone's B330S golf ball to the Tour B X:


    I played the B330S ball for a while, but then I had to switch to something that didn't spin as much. When I did that my distances were going 7 to 8 yards farther, and then depending on the conditions at hand, it could change more or less off those numbers.


    We spent three or four hours out at TPC Las Colinas, where I'm practicing and playing out of right now, to determine how much more consistent the new ball was. I'm testing it on the range but also taking it out on the course to determine how it reacts into the wind and downwind. I'm also looking to see how it reacts off of different lies, whether the spin rates change — just get comfortable with every situation.


    I'm also looking at what happens when my adrenaline hikes up because that can change the neuromuscular transmission of your rhythm, so you have to take account for that and know what happens in those situations. There are a bunch of variables.
    I always forget to account for the neuromuscular transmission of my ryrhym! Rookie mistake on my part. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
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    [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Srixon U65 23 ADDI 95x[/font]
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  • DizzDizz J.W. Members Posts: 14,258
    edited Jun 6, 2018 #91
    Absolutely LOVE that he won another PGA TOUR event... especially one as prestigious as The Memorial doing his own thing. It's gotta be tough using the One Length irons when no one else is doing it. The PGA TOUR has always been a copy-cat league in the fact that when someone seems to be doing well a lot of the players follow suit. Most of the time its just a hot new low spin driver shaft or something that's really not a huge deal. BUT... being the only guy out there using this "One Length" iron set and sticking to it.... and WINNING.... is SO COOL.



    I just love that he believed in himself and what he was doing AND got it done.



    Congrats to Bryson on his second PGA TOUR win!!! Of course winning the John Deere is awesome but winning a tournament at Jack's place has got to special for the young man.



    In 2018 he's played in 16 events and made 14 cuts... 88% is not too shabby. He's currently 4th in the FedEx Cup Standings and 4th in the PGA TOUR's Official Money Leaders standings with $4,194,398. For his career he has made right at $6.5M... not too bad for a 24 year old that nobody thought would make it using this crazy equipment.
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