Miura 1957 Small Blade/Baby Blade enthusiasts thread! (Lots of enabling and physics lessons inside)

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  • DeNinnyDeNinny Major Wiener Members Posts: 7,976 ✭✭
    kaaayelll wrote:


    Rare birds...




    You're killing me here. I *need* both those 1is and the satin 2i.



    What is the 1i loft? 15*?



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    TEE CB2 15* 3w, 43" 65g Fujikura Motore F1 S-flex
    Miura Black Boron 1957 Small Blades 2i-PW, Nippon NS Pro 850 GH S-flex
    Miura Black Wedges 53* and 60*, Nippon NS Pro 850 GH S-flex
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  • EaglesGolf99EaglesGolf99 (.... Formerly Known As RaidersGolf99) Foxboro, MAMembers Posts: 2,424 ✭✭
    kaaayelll wrote:


    Rare birds...







    ****.
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    Callaway X-Forged UT 27.0° Steel Fiber i110 S
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    Miura 1957 CB-57 7-8 Steel Fiber i110 S
    Miura 1957 Baby Blade 9-P Steel Fiber i110 S
    Miura Hand Grind Raw 52.0° / 10.0° Steel Fiber i110 S
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  • dmeeksDCdmeeksDC ClubWRX Posts: 2,208 ClubWRX
    PopIt, If the Tour-V are just what you want and if the tips are bent, I would contact KBS and let them know. They may be happy to replace. I personally had not heard that all KBS shafts have tip-bending tendencies, I had heard that happened for a period of time with the C Tapers. It may be an issue with other models, I’ve never experienced it. And it is too bad because the C Taper sounds like the perfect shaft for you. Maybe it happens again, maybe it doesn’t, but KBS creator Kim Braly understands golf shafts very well and grew up the son of a golf shaft legend. There are plenty of Tour players playing his shafts and winning majors.



    If not KBS ... Like DeNinny, I would think you might like the DG 120 in the Tour Issue S400. Excellent shaft. The Nippon 105 X is only about 6 grams lighter and is a stable shaft, popular on Tour. These shafts feel different to me but I like them both.



    Another shaft you might look into is Shimada — quite stout for their weights. They have an interesting manufacturing process and the shafts deliver a lot of power. Been sampling Shimada in two Vega wedges I have been messing around with and I have been surprised by these shafts. Indeed, if I put them in irons at even 115 grams, for me I might go reg or reg HSx1. My 7 iron swing is usually 86-88 mph.



    Nippons have grown on me because I have fallen for the Modus 125 stiff. I bought these In CB57’s used, they are SSX2 but still frequency test as stiff. And really, for me it is mostly about the weight. I hammer that shaft. Many shots I hammer pure and that’s great. But I also come with some too-quick, lame steep and hard swings, and it don’t care. It is 125g and sure does not feel heavy, it feels wonderful at impact and the ball launches on a nice trajectory. The Modus 105 is as good, it is the same profile, lighter weight.



    But that other Japanese shaft company may not be as well known in the States, but Shimada makes some really solid light- and mid-weight shafts. Definitely more than enough for me at 115g and they may be able to hang with your swing.



    I’ve got the DG 120 in a set of Pings, the Nippon 125 in the Miuras and I am going with Nippon or Shimada in my Baby Blades.
    Ping G400 9 degrees, Ping Tour stiff shaft, 65 grams
    Callaway XHot2 Pro 5 wood, 17 degrees, Aldila Tour Blue stiff shaft
    Titleist 915F fairway, 21 degrees, Diamana Blue 70 stiff
    Srixon 565 4 iron, Nippon 980GH stiff shaft
    Adams CMB irons, 5-PW, KBS C Taper regular shafts (110g)
    Titleist Vokey SM7 50 degree, F grind, Dynamic Gold S200 shaft
    Callaway Mack Daddy 2 54-degree wedge, S grind, DG wedge shaft
    Ben Hogan TK wedge, 59 degree, KBS black wedge shaft
    TaylorMade TP Chaska putter, sliver, 34 inches
  • kaaayelllkaaayelll Members Posts: 802 ✭✭
    Very good advice there, D!
  • DeNinnyDeNinny Major Wiener Members Posts: 7,976 ✭✭
    edited Jun 13, 2018 #337
    dmeeksDC wrote:


    ...

    I’ve got the DG 120 in a set of Pings, the Nippon 125 in the Miuras and I am going with Nippon or Shimada in my Baby Blades.


    Great intel on Shimada. I would love to try them one day.



    So if you want a direct performance comparison beyond all shadow of doubt between your CB57s and BBs, then you should shaft them the exact same way. Then truly any performance differences are due to the heads alone.



    But LOL I say screw that. If you think you can improve upon the Modus 125s, do it!



    And @PopIt&;DropIt I think if you can get a lightweight shaft super stiff, like X-flex, and also hard step it, it *may* help get the launch angle down with it.
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    TEE CB2 15* 3w, 43" 65g Fujikura Motore F1 S-flex
    Miura Black Boron 1957 Small Blades 2i-PW, Nippon NS Pro 850 GH S-flex
    Miura Black Wedges 53* and 60*, Nippon NS Pro 850 GH S-flex
    GripMaster Club Maker's Stitchback Grips
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  • Kingcat990Kingcat990 European Tailored Golf Socks Members Posts: 3,830 ✭✭
    Seriously though, who orders a box of 1 & 2 irons...
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  • DeNinnyDeNinny Major Wiener Members Posts: 7,976 ✭✭
    Kingcat990 wrote:


    Seriously though, who orders a box of 1 & 2 irons...




    Says the guy that bought a set of BB heads from that guy and never shafted them up.



    Whiskey!



    Tango!!



    Foxtrot!!!
    TEE CB2 13* 3w, 43.5", 57g Fujikura Motore F1 X-flex
    TEE CB2 15* 3w, 43" 65g Fujikura Motore F1 S-flex
    Miura Black Boron 1957 Small Blades 2i-PW, Nippon NS Pro 850 GH S-flex
    Miura Black Wedges 53* and 60*, Nippon NS Pro 850 GH S-flex
    GripMaster Club Maker's Stitchback Grips
    34" Piretti Bosa, GripMaster Pistol Grip

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  • z18z18 Members Posts: 128 ✭✭
    Being a huge fan of Baby Blades I have to say I thoroughly enjoy all the enabling and physics going on in this post. Last year at age 69 when many men are talking about starting to need more forgiveness, I took the plunge and obtained a shiny new set of Baby Blades just so I could give them a try (no dealers nearby). I figured I could always get a large portion of my money back if I didn't like them. Rumors came out that they might not be making them much longer so I obtained another set. Later on I also got a new 55 and 59 degree wedge to go along with each set. The great thing about it is they didn't cost me any money.



    OK, I used some of my kids inheritance, but on the bright side they each get a set of Baby Blades when I am no longer able to use them. I think they might even like them better if I was to put some Stitchback grips on them.LOL
    [font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif] Driver - Cobra Fly Z with Oban red[/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] 3 Wood - Adams 16*[/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] 3 Hybrid - Calloway X2 Hot Pro 19*[/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] 4 Iron - Hogan Ft Worth Hi - KBS Tour 90 - R Flex[/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] Irons - 5-PW - Miura 1957 BB - Nippon Pro 1050GH - R Flex[/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] Wedge 51* - Hogan TK [/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]- KBS Tour 90 - R Flex[/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] Wedges 55* & 59* - Miura 1957 C Grind - KBS Wedge - S Flex[/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] Putter - DeLaCruz CP-2[/font]
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  • DeNinnyDeNinny Major Wiener Members Posts: 7,976 ✭✭
    edited Jun 14, 2018 #341
    ^ It's child abuse in my book to will a set of BBs with rubber grips.



    FWIW for my second BB set, I used money I should have used to buy my wife a piano.



    And LOL z18 the irony of your story is that you couldn't play a set more forgiving and helpful for your game than the BBs. SGI/high MOI clubs are horrible from a technology and performance standpoint ("forgiveness" is a carney sham).
    TEE CB2 13* 3w, 43.5", 57g Fujikura Motore F1 X-flex
    TEE CB2 15* 3w, 43" 65g Fujikura Motore F1 S-flex
    Miura Black Boron 1957 Small Blades 2i-PW, Nippon NS Pro 850 GH S-flex
    Miura Black Wedges 53* and 60*, Nippon NS Pro 850 GH S-flex
    GripMaster Club Maker's Stitchback Grips
    34" Piretti Bosa, GripMaster Pistol Grip

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  • dmeeksDCdmeeksDC ClubWRX Posts: 2,208 ClubWRX
    z18 wrote:


    Being a huge fan of Baby Blades I have to say I thoroughly enjoy all the enabling and physics going on in this post. Last year at age 69 when many men are talking about starting to need more forgiveness, I took the plunge and obtained a shiny new set of Baby Blades just so I could give them a try (no dealers nearby). I figured I could always get a large portion of my money back if I didn't like them. Rumors came out that they might not be making them much longer so I obtained another set. Later on I also got a new 55 and 59 degree wedge to go along with each set. The great thing about it is they didn't cost me any money.



    OK, I used some of my kids inheritance, but on the bright side they each get a set of Baby Blades when I am no longer able to use them. I think they might even like them better if I was to put some Stitchback grips on them.LOL




    Inspiring! Thanks.



    I just received a 51 degree Y grind and it as advertised. Outstanding for a running pitch off a tight lie.
    Ping G400 9 degrees, Ping Tour stiff shaft, 65 grams
    Callaway XHot2 Pro 5 wood, 17 degrees, Aldila Tour Blue stiff shaft
    Titleist 915F fairway, 21 degrees, Diamana Blue 70 stiff
    Srixon 565 4 iron, Nippon 980GH stiff shaft
    Adams CMB irons, 5-PW, KBS C Taper regular shafts (110g)
    Titleist Vokey SM7 50 degree, F grind, Dynamic Gold S200 shaft
    Callaway Mack Daddy 2 54-degree wedge, S grind, DG wedge shaft
    Ben Hogan TK wedge, 59 degree, KBS black wedge shaft
    TaylorMade TP Chaska putter, sliver, 34 inches
  • z18z18 Members Posts: 128 ✭✭
    DeNinny wrote:


    ^ It's child abuse in my book to will a set of BBs with rubber grips.



    FWIW for my second BB set, I used money I should have used to buy my wife a piano.



    And LOL z18 the irony of your story is that you couldn't play a set more forgiving and helpful for your game than the BBs. SGI/high MOI clubs are horrible from a technology and performance standpoint ("forgiveness" is a carney sham).
    I still have a set or two of "so called forgiving" clubs and have never had a shot with a BB where I wished I had a different style of club.

    I have pretty much decided to not abuse my children as those Stitchback grips look pretty awesome. They would go really well with my yak leather Sun Mountain golf bag.

    As a musician, I do feel a little sorry for your wife but fully understand the need for a second set of BB's. What if a set get lost or stolen and you have to play something inferior. LOL
    [font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif] Driver - Cobra Fly Z with Oban red[/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] 3 Wood - Adams 16*[/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] 3 Hybrid - Calloway X2 Hot Pro 19*[/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] 4 Iron - Hogan Ft Worth Hi - KBS Tour 90 - R Flex[/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] Irons - 5-PW - Miura 1957 BB - Nippon Pro 1050GH - R Flex[/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] Wedge 51* - Hogan TK [/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]- KBS Tour 90 - R Flex[/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] Wedges 55* & 59* - Miura 1957 C Grind - KBS Wedge - S Flex[/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] Putter - DeLaCruz CP-2[/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [/font]
  • DeNinnyDeNinny Major Wiener Members Posts: 7,976 ✭✭
    z18 wrote:

    DeNinny wrote:


    ^ It's child abuse in my book to will a set of BBs with rubber grips.



    FWIW for my second BB set, I used money I should have used to buy my wife a piano.



    And LOL z18 the irony of your story is that you couldn't play a set more forgiving and helpful for your game than the BBs. SGI/high MOI clubs are horrible from a technology and performance standpoint ("forgiveness" is a carney sham).
    I still have a set or two of "so called forgiving" clubs and have never had a shot with a BB where I wished I had a different style of club.

    I have pretty much decided to not abuse my children as those Stitchback grips look pretty awesome. They would go really well with my yak leather Sun Mountain golf bag.

    As a musician, I do feel a little sorry for your wife but fully understand the need for a second set of BB's. What if a set get lost or stolen and you have to play something inferior. LOL




    I do have a "wall of shame" of "so called forgiving" clubs but it is just for the painful reminder of what clubs NOT to use. They are my visual reminders that ... wait for it ... FORGIVENESS IS A CARNEY SHAM(E)!!! I have a 3i MP-FliHi and a TEE XCG 7w that serve as my final reminders of this. I used to have a set of mp60s but I just gave the heads away to my brother-in-law because he was playing FUGLY PINGs and I felt sorry for him.



    I guess if you were to nitpick, I still play my "forgiving" mp67s that have the "cut muscle" design. That set is my beater and travel bag set because I'm so worried about something happening to either of my BB sets that I don't allow them to be put on a plane. They must be in my direct control at all times. I only take them to courses that I can drive to. Such is my love and care for these special clubs. Even with a redundant set I dare not put either at risk.



    And absolutely there is never a time that I think to myself that I would rather have hit a shot with them with a different club. I'm to the point now that playing golf and playing with BBs is synonymous for me. The game isn't the same anymore when I play without them, from both a feel and performance perspective. And every time I go out and play my mp67s and Retro TBs I am reminded of this. And I used to just love my buttery smooth mp67s. Still do, but it has "lost it's luster" due to my BBs.



    Musician? Nice! I always felt musicians make good golfers. They have good hands and sense of feel, understand tempo and rhythm well, and they know how to perform under pressure. My wife is a harpist first and pianist second and wow she is a natural lights out putter on those tricky 4-6 footers. And she barely plays but a few times a year and never practices. I assume you play guitar by your avatar and I bet you have a mean short game. Musicians always do.



    When you get those Stitchbacks like a good dad I hope to see them alongside this yak leather bag. Love it! When I was a kid my Dad would always get cool golf stuff for himself and when I commandeered it ('cause I'm NOT going to wait for the will) he would just go buy more new stuff for himself. I think he liked that I "took" his new toys as a good excuse to buy more. Side note: my father is the only other person on the planet that I will allow to hit my **** Stars BB set. Anyhow, yes get the Stitchbacks and further enhance your BBs. Both you and your kids will appreciate it.



    On a side note LOL your post made me rethink if two sets are enough to get me to my death bed without needing another. I think I can get to 70 with two. And to compound this issue my Miura fitter just told me a couple of days ago that he cannot get BB heads anymore. Sad!
    TEE CB2 13* 3w, 43.5", 57g Fujikura Motore F1 X-flex
    TEE CB2 15* 3w, 43" 65g Fujikura Motore F1 S-flex
    Miura Black Boron 1957 Small Blades 2i-PW, Nippon NS Pro 850 GH S-flex
    Miura Black Wedges 53* and 60*, Nippon NS Pro 850 GH S-flex
    GripMaster Club Maker's Stitchback Grips
    34" Piretti Bosa, GripMaster Pistol Grip

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    Outlaw Golf Association Member #7
  • z18z18 Members Posts: 128 ✭✭
    DeNinny wrote:

    z18 wrote:

    DeNinny wrote:


    ^ It's child abuse in my book to will a set of BBs with rubber grips.



    FWIW for my second BB set, I used money I should have used to buy my wife a piano.



    And LOL z18 the irony of your story is that you couldn't play a set more forgiving and helpful for your game than the BBs. SGI/high MOI clubs are horrible from a technology and performance standpoint ("forgiveness" is a carney sham).
    I still have a set or two of "so called forgiving" clubs and have never had a shot with a BB where I wished I had a different style of club.

    I have pretty much decided to not abuse my children as those Stitchback grips look pretty awesome. They would go really well with my yak leather Sun Mountain golf bag.

    As a musician, I do feel a little sorry for your wife but fully understand the need for a second set of BB's. What if a set get lost or stolen and you have to play something inferior. LOL




    I do have a "wall of shame" of "so called forgiving" clubs but it is just for the painful reminder of what clubs NOT to use. They are my visual reminders that ... wait for it ... FORGIVENESS IS A CARNEY SHAM(E)!!! I have a 3i MP-FliHi and a TEE XCG 7w that serve as my final reminders of this. I used to have a set of mp60s but I just gave the heads away to my brother-in-law because he was playing FUGLY PINGs and I felt sorry for him.



    I guess if you were to nitpick, I still play my "forgiving" mp67s that have the "cut muscle" design. That set is my beater and travel bag set because I'm so worried about something happening to either of my BB sets that I don't allow them to be put on a plane. They must be in my direct control at all times. I only take them to courses that I can drive to. Such is my love and care for these special clubs. Even with a redundant set I dare not put either at risk.



    And absolutely there is never a time that I think to myself that I would rather have hit a shot with them with a different club. I'm to the point now that playing golf and playing with BBs is synonymous for me. The game isn't the same anymore when I play without them, from both a feel and performance perspective. And every time I go out and play my mp67s and Retro TBs I am reminded of this. And I used to just love my buttery smooth mp67s. Still do, but it has "lost it's luster" due to my BBs.



    Musician? Nice! I always felt musicians make good golfers. They have good hands and sense of feel, understand tempo and rhythm well, and they know how to perform under pressure. My wife is a harpist first and pianist second and wow she is a natural lights out putter on those tricky 4-6 footers. And she barely plays but a few times a year and never practices. I assume you play guitar by your avatar and I bet you have a mean short game. Musicians always do.



    When you get those Stitchbacks like a good dad I hope to see them alongside this yak leather bag. Love it! When I was a kid my Dad would always get cool golf stuff for himself and when I commandeered it ('cause I'm NOT going to wait for the will) he would just go buy more new stuff for himself. I think he liked that I "took" his new toys as a good excuse to buy more. Side note: my father is the only other person on the planet that I will allow to hit my **** Stars BB set. Anyhow, yes get the Stitchbacks and further enhance your BBs. Both you and your kids will appreciate it.



    On a side note LOL your post made me rethink if two sets are enough to get me to my death bed without needing another. I think I can get to 70 with two. And to compound this issue my Miura fitter just told me a couple of days ago that he cannot get BB heads anymore. Sad!
    I am 70 so I think I can make it with the BB's I have if they don't get lost or stolen. I let my son hit my 7 iron one time and he was sold but couldn't afford them (three young kids) so I bought him a like new set from 2nd Swing Golf. If he wants Stitchbacks he's going to have to buy his own or wait for mine. BTW I'm ordering a set of Stitchbacks today and you are correct about my short game.
    [font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif] Driver - Cobra Fly Z with Oban red[/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] 3 Wood - Adams 16*[/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] 3 Hybrid - Calloway X2 Hot Pro 19*[/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] 4 Iron - Hogan Ft Worth Hi - KBS Tour 90 - R Flex[/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] Irons - 5-PW - Miura 1957 BB - Nippon Pro 1050GH - R Flex[/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] Wedge 51* - Hogan TK [/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]- KBS Tour 90 - R Flex[/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] Wedges 55* & 59* - Miura 1957 C Grind - KBS Wedge - S Flex[/font]
    [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif] Putter - DeLaCruz CP-2[/font]
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  • MysteryVMysteryV Members Posts: 353 ✭✭
    So at long last - I finally have my set in hand!



    Specs: 4-P, Modus 3, 1/2" over, 2UP (based on Titleist specs), D3 swing weight



    I'm coming from a set of Epon AF-302s with the same shafts, 1/2" shorter, 3 degrees up.



    I had the chance to take them out for a few holes thus far, and overall I'm pleased. The feel is amazing. As everyone else has commented, they're soft in a different way than Epon or Mizuno. The Epon's feel significantly softer when struck flush, while the BBs have an extremely satisfying firmness. More of a thwack than a thwap or a thud. image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />



    Interestingly, the BBs feel WAY different than any of my K grind or Y grind wedges, however that may be due to the Modus 125 wedge shafts.



    The one thing I've noted that seems to be out of line with other posters across several forums, is that the BBs are extremely short from a distance perspective. I don't have enough experience with them yet to be definitive here, but after some time on the range, time on the course, and time in the garage on Skytrak - it seems that they're a solid 1 - 2 clubs shorter than my Epons which play at the same loft (8i) - even when the 302s are 1/2" shorter.



    Still trying to confirm if this is actually the case or if perhaps I caught some odd wind, am just getting used to them, etc. - but have been pretty surprised on the distance thus far.
    Driver: Ping G400 Max w/ Tensei PO
    3 Wood: Epic 3+ w/ GD AD-DI
    Irons: Miura CB-1008 w/ Oban CT-115
    Wedges: Miura Y Grind 51, Miura K Grind 56,60 w/ Modus Wedge
    Putter: Scotty Newport 2 - AOP Oval Track
  • DeNinnyDeNinny Major Wiener Members Posts: 7,976 ✭✭
    Feel is a tough thing to describe. I'm curious how other BB owners describe their feel.



    I used to describe it as hitting a frozen marshmallow (vs any Mizzy blade feels like hitting a normal one), but now I describe it as if I just snapped a young tree twig in half at impact. It changed when I went to all leather grips.
    TEE CB2 13* 3w, 43.5", 57g Fujikura Motore F1 X-flex
    TEE CB2 15* 3w, 43" 65g Fujikura Motore F1 S-flex
    Miura Black Boron 1957 Small Blades 2i-PW, Nippon NS Pro 850 GH S-flex
    Miura Black Wedges 53* and 60*, Nippon NS Pro 850 GH S-flex
    GripMaster Club Maker's Stitchback Grips
    34" Piretti Bosa, GripMaster Pistol Grip

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  • DeNinnyDeNinny Major Wiener Members Posts: 7,976 ✭✭
    z18 wrote:

    DeNinny wrote:

    z18 wrote:

    DeNinny wrote:


    ^ It's child abuse in my book to will a set of BBs with rubber grips.



    FWIW for my second BB set, I used money I should have used to buy my wife a piano.



    And LOL z18 the irony of your story is that you couldn't play a set more forgiving and helpful for your game than the BBs. SGI/high MOI clubs are horrible from a technology and performance standpoint ("forgiveness" is a carney sham).
    I still have a set or two of "so called forgiving" clubs and have never had a shot with a BB where I wished I had a different style of club.

    I have pretty much decided to not abuse my children as those Stitchback grips look pretty awesome. They would go really well with my yak leather Sun Mountain golf bag.

    As a musician, I do feel a little sorry for your wife but fully understand the need for a second set of BB's. What if a set get lost or stolen and you have to play something inferior. LOL




    I do have a "wall of shame" of "so called forgiving" clubs but it is just for the painful reminder of what clubs NOT to use. They are my visual reminders that ... wait for it ... FORGIVENESS IS A CARNEY SHAM(E)!!! I have a 3i MP-FliHi and a TEE XCG 7w that serve as my final reminders of this. I used to have a set of mp60s but I just gave the heads away to my brother-in-law because he was playing FUGLY PINGs and I felt sorry for him.



    I guess if you were to nitpick, I still play my "forgiving" mp67s that have the "cut muscle" design. That set is my beater and travel bag set because I'm so worried about something happening to either of my BB sets that I don't allow them to be put on a plane. They must be in my direct control at all times. I only take them to courses that I can drive to. Such is my love and care for these special clubs. Even with a redundant set I dare not put either at risk.



    And absolutely there is never a time that I think to myself that I would rather have hit a shot with them with a different club. I'm to the point now that playing golf and playing with BBs is synonymous for me. The game isn't the same anymore when I play without them, from both a feel and performance perspective. And every time I go out and play my mp67s and Retro TBs I am reminded of this. And I used to just love my buttery smooth mp67s. Still do, but it has "lost it's luster" due to my BBs.



    Musician? Nice! I always felt musicians make good golfers. They have good hands and sense of feel, understand tempo and rhythm well, and they know how to perform under pressure. My wife is a harpist first and pianist second and wow she is a natural lights out putter on those tricky 4-6 footers. And she barely plays but a few times a year and never practices. I assume you play guitar by your avatar and I bet you have a mean short game. Musicians always do.



    When you get those Stitchbacks like a good dad I hope to see them alongside this yak leather bag. Love it! When I was a kid my Dad would always get cool golf stuff for himself and when I commandeered it ('cause I'm NOT going to wait for the will) he would just go buy more new stuff for himself. I think he liked that I "took" his new toys as a good excuse to buy more. Side note: my father is the only other person on the planet that I will allow to hit my **** Stars BB set. Anyhow, yes get the Stitchbacks and further enhance your BBs. Both you and your kids will appreciate it.



    On a side note LOL your post made me rethink if two sets are enough to get me to my death bed without needing another. I think I can get to 70 with two. And to compound this issue my Miura fitter just told me a couple of days ago that he cannot get BB heads anymore. Sad!
    I am 70 so I think I can make it with the BB's I have if they don't get lost or stolen. I let my son hit my 7 iron one time and he was sold but couldn't afford them (three young kids) so I bought him a like new set from 2nd Swing Golf. If he wants Stitchbacks he's going to have to buy his own or wait for mine. BTW I'm ordering a set of Stitchbacks today and you are correct about my short game.




    It's fun and funny to see people's reactions when they hit a BB for the first time. When I got my first set, the satin Cal Hotties, the very first person I let hit them was a fellow golf nerd and range rat at my former club. This guy is a blade freak and one of those guys that is a scratch golfer on the range because he has a beautiful swing but on the course he is a head case and becomes a 10 'cap. Anyway he is a blade lover and appreciates them and I swear after he hit his very first shot with my 6i, he just nutted it pure and LMAO he dropped the club at the end and said, "Get that crack away from me. I don't need to know that right now." But then he still hit a few more because he couldn't resist. And then ever since that day he set a goal for himself to get a set of BBs as soon as he met the goal. I never knew what happened but it was just great that he, a blades afficionado, hit the floor because of how good they felt.



    Sounds like your son got hooked on the feel from the get-go too. I could tell dozens of stories of amazed reactions like this by folks that hit them for the first time. But that said I have met a few rare folks that had a more ambivalent or underwhelming view.
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  • dmeeksDCdmeeksDC ClubWRX Posts: 2,208 ClubWRX
    MysteryV wrote:


    So at long last - I finally have my set in hand!



    Specs: 4-P, Modus 3, 1/2" over, 2UP (based on Titleist specs), D3 swing weight



    I'm coming from a set of Epon AF-302s with the same shafts, 1/2" shorter, 3 degrees up.



    I had the chance to take them out for a few holes thus far, and overall I'm pleased. The feel is amazing. As everyone else has commented, they're soft in a different way than Epon or Mizuno. The Epon's feel significantly softer when struck flush, while the BBs have an extremely satisfying firmness. More of a thwack than a thwap or a thud. image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />



    Interestingly, the BBs feel WAY different than any of my K grind or Y grind wedges, however that may be due to the Modus 125 wedge shafts.



    The one thing I've noted that seems to be out of line with other posters across several forums, is that the BBs are extremely short from a distance perspective. I don't have enough experience with them yet to be definitive here, but after some time on the range, time on the course, and time in the garage on Skytrak - it seems that they're a solid 1 - 2 clubs shorter than my Epons which play at the same loft (8i) - even when the 302s are 1/2" shorter.



    Still trying to confirm if this is actually the case or if perhaps I caught some odd wind, am just getting used to them, etc. - but have been pretty surprised on the distance thus far.




    If you are getting much shorter distance in the same lofts with shafts that are 1/2 inch longer, I would check the spin rates and see if the shaft is the reason. A lot lighter shaft or simply the profile could be causing the BB to spin a lot more. If lofts are the same, distance should be similar if the contact is consistent, and that is a big if. But spin rates that are higher than you need will cause shorter carry.
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    Callaway Mack Daddy 2 54-degree wedge, S grind, DG wedge shaft
    Ben Hogan TK wedge, 59 degree, KBS black wedge shaft
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  • DeNinnyDeNinny Major Wiener Members Posts: 7,976 ✭✭
    edited Jun 15, 2018 #350
    Setting spin rates aside and treating all other things equal, adding length to a club without changing the head weight or shaft weight to be lighter will increase the total MOI of the swing (with the point directly between the shoulders sockets being the center). This will make the club "heavier" with respect to rotational motion, and as a result and assuming he is using the same total energy to swing both clubs, the golfer *can* end up swinging the longer club with a slower clubhead velocity at impact which will ultimately make the ball go less distance.



    You can't add length and necessarily expect longer or similar distance unless you also reduce total weight. Length increases the MOI which is no different than increasing the mass of an object in linear motion.



    This is straight out of "Physics for Scientists and Engineers" by Giancoli.



    Edit: And it is also why you have to make longer iron heads lighter in order to match SW and achieve higher clubhead velocity with them. If a 3i head weighed as much as a PW head, we definitely would hit the 3i shorter than a lighter head one.
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  • A.G. Pennypacker A.G. Pennypacker Members Posts: 487 ✭✭
    FWIW I really like the feeling of these, but it's not other-worldly. It's certainly unique, which I do like, but not much better than MP-18s and Apex MBs that I hit in the spring as well.



    To each their own.
  • WannabePaperTigerWannabePaperTiger Members Posts: 169 ✭✭
    Love the thread. Had to change grips recently and went to the No1 grips. Broke 80 for first time in a while. Now for my question: should I buy the 2 and 3 irons? I have a 790 udi 2 iron. Maybe just buy the 3 iron?
  • DeNinnyDeNinny Major Wiener Members Posts: 7,976 ✭✭
    edited Jun 15, 2018 #353


    Love the thread. Had to change grips recently and went to the No1 grips. Broke 80 for first time in a while. Now for my question: should I buy the 2 and 3 irons? I have a 790 udi 2 iron. Maybe just buy the 3 iron?




    Welcome to the thread and 4K UHD golf! No1 grips are good in terms of traction but don't last that long. I had them on my first BB set at the start before putting kangaroo leather grips on them. The No1s were worn down bad after a season.



    And to answer your question the very same justification that you used to switch to BB shorter irons applies exactly the same to the longer ones. The superior technology behind the BB head design is universal across all the irons. So unless you don't like the launch angle of the longer irons, absolutely you should get the 3i and 2i. OMFG if you were to shaft and spec a BB 2i to match that of your 790 udi 2i, the BB would hands down be the better performing club. My only caveat to this is again you may not launch the BB 2i as high, but in all other regards the BB by design is the superior club. 2i and 3i included.
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    Miura Black Wedges 53* and 60*, Nippon NS Pro 850 GH S-flex
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  • wmblake2000wmblake2000 Members Posts: 5,744 ✭✭
    If any of you are looking for baby blades 2 sets of heads on bst incl black borons...
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    Callaway X-hot 3,4 h
    Mizuno FliHi 5 iron
    Mizuno MP4 6-W
    Fourteen mt28v3 50, 54, 58
    Cameron Futura 5W


  • PopIt&DropItPopIt&DropIt Members Posts: 244 ✭✭


    FWIW I really like the feeling of these, but it's not other-worldly. It's certainly unique, which I do like, but not much better than MP-18s and Apex MBs that I hit in the spring as well.



    To each their own.




    I have a lot of catching up to do in this thread but wanted to say I agree with this. They feel great and its definitely unique to Miura, but it is the least differentiating characteristic of BBs IMO. Most clubs feel very good and which is best is going to be unique to everyone. The BBs feel great to me but it isn't a deal maker or breaker. Subtle difference overall in my eyes.
  • WannabePaperTigerWannabePaperTiger Members Posts: 169 ✭✭
    I have just ordered both the 2 and 3 irons. Dang you DeNinny!!
  • MysteryVMysteryV Members Posts: 353 ✭✭
    Does anyone have recommendations on iron covers for these? I have Club Gloves - but have lost the 4 iron cover the first day after it slipped off the undersized head.
    Driver: Ping G400 Max w/ Tensei PO
    3 Wood: Epic 3+ w/ GD AD-DI
    Irons: Miura CB-1008 w/ Oban CT-115
    Wedges: Miura Y Grind 51, Miura K Grind 56,60 w/ Modus Wedge
    Putter: Scotty Newport 2 - AOP Oval Track
  • rebbyrebby CNH 320 ClubWRX Posts: 2,189 ✭✭
    MysteryV wrote:


    Does anyone have recommendations on iron covers for these? I have Club Gloves - but have lost the 4 iron cover the first day after it slipped off the undersized head.




    That's an easy one. Baby blades don't need iron covers.
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  • A.G. Pennypacker A.G. Pennypacker Members Posts: 487 ✭✭
    I bought these, and love em. They don't look nearly as stupid as other iron covers, and when I bought them they were super cheap ($10cdn shipped)

    https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B01HL5XSAA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1





    And while I agree with rebby in theory, the fact that I may not keep these blades forever necessitates me keeping them in the best condition possible so I can maximize return when I sell. I've never used iron covers before, but I've also never spent this much on irons haha.
  • MysteryVMysteryV Members Posts: 353 ✭✭
    I’ve used iron covers for my entire golfing career for both personal aesthetics ands resale. That said, the BBs also scratch/ding/gouge/mar easier than any iron I’ve ever owned. Breathe on these things wrong and there’s a new gouge.



    I’m thinking of trying to have some custom leather head covers made. Worried that they might look a bit BDSM though
    Driver: Ping G400 Max w/ Tensei PO
    3 Wood: Epic 3+ w/ GD AD-DI
    Irons: Miura CB-1008 w/ Oban CT-115
    Wedges: Miura Y Grind 51, Miura K Grind 56,60 w/ Modus Wedge
    Putter: Scotty Newport 2 - AOP Oval Track
  • PopIt&DropItPopIt&DropIt Members Posts: 244 ✭✭
    ^^^ I know they aren't cheap but the miura ones are really nice looking and apparently fit perfectly.



    In other news I had a rare double date today and also recieved my 1 and 2 iron bb heads from kaaayelll. Not sure what I'm going to do with them yet but they make beautiful paperweights in the interim image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
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