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Long-time lurker, first-time poster here. I'm a 20-handicapper with swing speed ~105 mph and I've been playing a TaylorMade Burner Superfast with the stock Matrix Ozik X-con 4.8 R-flex shaft for the past 7 years. I've never been able to hit it with any consistency and for every great drive I slice 10 about 3 fairways over. I was recently fitted at Club Champion and the fitter confirmed what I long suspected -- I had no business hitting a regular flex.

 

After some (inconsistent) drives with my gamer the fitter immediately jumped to an XS shaft. I ended up with a Callaway Epic SZ with an Oban Kiyoshi 65 05 (XS, 72 g) shaft and I surprisingly had no issues with loading or getting good ball flight. A combination of fatigue and 20 g heavier shaft dropped my swing speed to ~100 mph and I was still getting solid drives with smash factors in the mid-to-upper 1.4s once I adjusted to the shaft. I really liked the performance but not the price tag, so I'm looking at no-cost upgrade shafts with similar characteristics. I am also looking at the new Rogue SZ but they weren't available when I did my fitting.

 

Similar (spin, launch, weight, torque) no-upcharge shafts to the Oban Kiyoshi Black I've found scouring the internet (TGW, 2nd Swing, etc.):

  • Aldila Rip Phenom 70 (Epic)
  • Aldila Rogue I/O 60/70 (Epic, Rogue)
  • Aldila Rogue Silver 60 (Epic, Rogue)
  • Aldila Tour Green 65/75 (Epic)
  • Fujikura Fuel 60 (Epic)
  • Fujikura Speeder Evo II 665 TS
  • Mitsubishi Diamana D+ White 70 (Epic, Rogue)
  • Mitsubishi Kuro Kage Silver TiNi 60 (Epic, Rogue)
  • Project X EvenFlow Black 65 (Rogue)

All are quality shafts but which would play most similar to the Kiyoshi Black? I can provide my Trackman numbers from my fitting if that helps.

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Out of that list the d+ to me feels the most like the kiyoshi Black. Both are plenty boardy. Launch and spin I can’t compare the two but as far as feel goes they seem the most similar to me. Both are low/low shafts.

Taylormade m6 8.0  t1100 85 6.5
Taylormade m5 15   T1100 95 6.5
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Miura MC 501 raw 4-w Nippon spb x
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I don't have experience with all of them, but have played the ALDILA tour green, Fuji Fuel, and currently in the Silver. All of these are low launch, low spin and I have liked all of them. The d+ I think is a little stouter than these, but I have not played it. Good Luck.

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Ping G430 3W  

Ping G410 3H, 4H

Ping i525 5-PW Project X IO
Cleveland CBX 2 48*
Cleveland CBX Zipcore 52*
Cleveland CBX Zipcore 56*
TM Spider X 34" blue

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