TM Twist Face Rumor

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I saw on Twitter this morning that Mark Crossfield heard a rumor that the M3's and M4's on tour do not have the Twist Face technology. Now, Mark is a little (ok a lot) bitter with TM since they stopped sending him product to review but has anyone else heard anything about this?



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'16 M2 Rogue Fairway | 915H 2 | T-MB 3, 718 CB 4-PW | Vokey SM6 52, SM7 58 | Toulon LV
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  • osubuckeyes691osubuckeyes691 Columbus, OH 1107WRX Points: 304Handicap: 1.9Members Posts: 1,107
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    If that were the case I believe they would have to be listed on the USGA conforming list and they are not so I would say it isn't true.
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    Taylormade 2016 M2 Deep Face 14* - Tensei Blue 90TX
    Ping G410 Hybrid - Aldila Tour Green ATX 105TX
    Srixon 745 4-PW - KBS C Taper 130x softstepped 1x
    Vokey 50* F Grind - KBS C Taper 130
    Vokey Wedgeworks 54V grind - KBS C Taper 130
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  • gioguy21gioguy21 NJ 8087WRX Points: 1,340Handicap: +1.6 (1194646)Members Posts: 8,087
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    ...or they fooled us all and there's no twist face on any drivers?!?!?!



    *clearly this is tongue and cheek
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    Epic Flash SZ / 9* (set D/S) / Fujikura Pro 2.0 TS 6X tipped 1.50"
    Epic Flash SZ / 3+ (set -1/N) / HZRDUS Smoke Black 75g 6.5 tipped 2"
    Epic CF17 3i / Tensei PW Hybrid 100TX
    Apex MB Chrome / 3-PW / Modus 130 X
    MD4 Chrome / 52, 56, 60 / DG 115 S200 (for now)
    Piretti Tour 801R / 35.5"

  • Hot Rod 71Hot Rod 71 #TheWRX  8936WRX Points: 296Handicap: lowClubWRX, BST Volunteer Mods Posts: 8,936
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    TaylorMade tour players rarely use the same drivers sold at retail. This is nothing new.



    A quick check of the conforming list will reveal the truth.



    Edit: I checked the USGA Conforming List and all of the M3/4 drivers listed have Twist Face. (pp. 1127-1128). The list is dated effective February 12, 2018. In generations past it was common to see several versions of a TM driver (V2, V3, V4, etc.). These were normally the tour heads.



    https://www.usga.org...gClubList_M.pdf
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    PXG 0311T 4-P - DGTI AMT S400
    Cleveland RTX4 50, 54, 58 - DGTI S400
    Yes! Tracy Tour
    Snell Black
  • TaylorMadeLuvTaylorMadeLuv  602WRX Points: 1Members Posts: 602
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    Might be worst thread I have seen on here. Literally. Having measured multiple tour issue heads I can tell you this is fake news.



    It’s similar to the Callaway Rep trying to tell us that indoor monitors won’t measure twist face dispersion and to only fit off “ball speed.”
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  • avg_josephavg_joseph  495WRX Points: 93Members Posts: 495
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    Doesn't appear to have multiple heads on conforming list beyond the models that have been released at retail...
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  • thesaxemachinethesaxemachine Hello, friends...  447WRX Points: 84Handicap: 9.9Members Posts: 447
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    Surprising that if this is so easily verified w/ USGA list that Crossfield would say anything. Unless he suspects there's a conspiracy.



    Semi-related question: How often, if ever, are tour pro's clubs inspected to see if they are "conforming'?
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    GAPR w/ KBS Tour Proto
    Srixon Z-765 w/ PX LZ
    Vokey 46° 
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  • gioguy21gioguy21 NJ 8087WRX Points: 1,340Handicap: +1.6 (1194646)Members Posts: 8,087
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    Surprising that if this is so easily verified w/ USGA list that Crossfield would say anything. Unless he suspects there's a conspiracy.



    Semi-related question: How often, if ever, are tour pro's clubs inspected to see if they are "conforming'?
    they're inspected prior to building on the tour van - thus the "+" marks hosels on TM drivers.
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    Epic Flash SZ / 9* (set D/S) / Fujikura Pro 2.0 TS 6X tipped 1.50"
    Epic Flash SZ / 3+ (set -1/N) / HZRDUS Smoke Black 75g 6.5 tipped 2"
    Epic CF17 3i / Tensei PW Hybrid 100TX
    Apex MB Chrome / 3-PW / Modus 130 X
    MD4 Chrome / 52, 56, 60 / DG 115 S200 (for now)
    Piretti Tour 801R / 35.5"

  • tbowles411tbowles411  25531WRX Points: 687Handicap: GolfClubWRX Posts: 25,531
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    I think the operative word is, "rumor". Crossfield is playing with a bit of fire IMO.
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    G410 3, 5 & 9 Woods - Accra FX 2.0
    G410 4-5 Hybrids - Accra 80i
    G410 6-UW - Accra 80i
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  • QuigleyDUQuigleyDU  8977WRX Points: 2,523Handicap: 8Members Posts: 8,977
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    it is interesting that since the beginning of the year. the two biggest ( ok, two biggest i know of) club reviewers and product testers for golf on youtube have gone totally different directions. Rick seems to be trying to be more thorough and technical in his approach and delivery, and Mark seems to be trying to be more and more a comedian.
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    Driver: Callaway Epic SubZero 3D 9*, Fujikura Ventus 7X
    3 iron Cobra King Utility Aldila Rouge 90 X flex
    4-PW Mizuno MP-18 MB Aldila RIP SLT Tour 115X Flex
    WEDGES; CLEVELAND RTX4: 52, 58, 64
    PUTTER; Kronos release long neck
    BALL; 2019 ProV1 yellow/Snell MTB-X yellow
  • JagpilotohioJagpilotohio 45+ inch drivers are evil. Columbus, OH 7267WRX Points: 566Handicap: 1.8Members Posts: 7,267
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    gioguy21 wrote:



    Surprising that if this is so easily verified w/ USGA list that Crossfield would say anything. Unless he suspects there's a conspiracy.



    Semi-related question: How often, if ever, are tour pro's clubs inspected to see if they are "conforming'?
    they're inspected prior to building on the tour van - thus the "+" marks hosels on TM drivers.




    Inspected by TM employees or inspected by USGA officials? I would imagine that self policing this would inevitably end up in cheating. Sadly...human nature.



    I’m not being accusatory, just curious as to how, when, and how often heads actually get checked by someone from the USGA or the tour.

    Random spot checking maybe? Perhaps NEVER once they’re on the approved list? I have no idea.. just throwing it out there.
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    4-7 2016 Hogan PTx, KBS Tour V, 120X.  
    Ping i210 8 & 9 Proto 125 F5 hardstepped 1x.
    Ping glide 2 46-12, 50-12, 54-14 (at 55) stealth, Vokey SM6 60M (61). Wedges Recoil Proto 125 F5
    33.5" Ghost spider slant neck.
    Srixon Z-star XV
    Jones Trouper Bag
  • gioguy21gioguy21 NJ 8087WRX Points: 1,340Handicap: +1.6 (1194646)Members Posts: 8,087
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    gioguy21 wrote:



    Surprising that if this is so easily verified w/ USGA list that Crossfield would say anything. Unless he suspects there's a conspiracy.



    Semi-related question: How often, if ever, are tour pro's clubs inspected to see if they are "conforming'?
    they're inspected prior to building on the tour van - thus the "+" marks hosels on TM drivers.




    Inspected by TM employees or inspected by USGA officials? I would imagine that self policing this would inevitably end up in cheating. Sadly...human nature.



    I’m not being accusatory, just curious as to how, when, and how often heads actually get checked by someone from the USGA or the tour.

    Random spot checking maybe? Perhaps NEVER once they’re on the approved list? I have no idea.. just throwing it out there.
    that i don't honestly know. the + sign is put on if it passes COR testing (under the legal limit)
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    Epic Flash SZ / 9* (set D/S) / Fujikura Pro 2.0 TS 6X tipped 1.50"
    Epic Flash SZ / 3+ (set -1/N) / HZRDUS Smoke Black 75g 6.5 tipped 2"
    Epic CF17 3i / Tensei PW Hybrid 100TX
    Apex MB Chrome / 3-PW / Modus 130 X
    MD4 Chrome / 52, 56, 60 / DG 115 S200 (for now)
    Piretti Tour 801R / 35.5"

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  • MiddlerMiddler  366WRX Points: 1Handicap: 14.1Members Posts: 366
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    Pros hit closer to center way more than almost any of us, so they wouldn’t need to avoid the twist face. They’re not going to hit the high toe or low heel like most of us. So TM wouldn’t have to build special club face geometry for their pros.
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    CALLAWAY Rogue 10.5° & 3W 15°
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    EVNROLL ER2
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    OGIO Silencer
  • dave_3dave_3  97WRX Points: 22Handicap: 7Members Posts: 97
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    i wouldn't listen to a word that t** says. I'm ashamed to share nationality with him
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    It's similar to the Callaway Rep trying to tell us that indoor monitors won't measure twist face dispersion and to only fit off "ball speed."




    If indoors on a doppler unit, there is truth to that.
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    TM Supertri V2 w/ Speeder Evo II 6.1 TS
    TM Stage 2 Tour 14.5* w/ Diamana BB  S+ 70
    Taylormade P790 2 UDI w/ DG 105R 
    Taylormade R9 19* TP Rescue w/ Aldila Rip 85
    4-PW Nike VR Pro MBs w/ DG AMT White R300
    Callaway MD3 52* & 58* PM grind
    Odyssey MXM 1W
  • dwbostondwboston  2414WRX Points: 213Handicap: 6.5Lefty Boomers Posts: 2,414
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    I'm no TM fan, but this is right up there with Tom Wishon claiming he was told that the adapter sleeves on adjustable drivers on Tour are fake, and provide no adjustment.



    http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/823507-a-technical-discussion-and-report-on-adjustable-hoseladjustable-sole-piece-drivers-in-the-modern-golf-equipment-industry/page__st__90#entry6813861
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    Titleist 915 D2 12*, GD AD TP 6S | Titleist 915F 16.5*, GD AD DI 8S | Titleist 915 H 21*, GD AD HY 95S
    Bridgestone J15 CB, 4-PW, Recoil 110 F4 | Vokey SM7 52.08F | Vokey SM7 56.10S | Vokey SM7 60.12D
    Byron Morgan 006 flow neck, 34"/350g
  • TrueWRXTrueWRX  1809WRX Points: 264Members Posts: 1,809
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    and thread should just be shut down
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  • GolfrnutGolfrnut  7440WRX Points: 371Members Posts: 7,440
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    dwboston wrote:


    I'm no TM fan, but this is right up there with Tom Wishon claiming he was told that the adapter sleeves on adjustable drivers on Tour are fake, and provide no adjustment.



    http://www.golfwrx.c...90#entry6813861




    Some of them were. I have a few that have no offset.
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    TM Supertri V2 w/ Speeder Evo II 6.1 TS
    TM Stage 2 Tour 14.5* w/ Diamana BB  S+ 70
    Taylormade P790 2 UDI w/ DG 105R 
    Taylormade R9 19* TP Rescue w/ Aldila Rip 85
    4-PW Nike VR Pro MBs w/ DG AMT White R300
    Callaway MD3 52* & 58* PM grind
    Odyssey MXM 1W
  • bcflyguy1bcflyguy1 Enjoying my coffee...  3067WRX Points: 155Handicap: 0.0Members Posts: 3,067
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    Crossfield really has lost the plot over this TM nonsense. He continues to beat this dead horse to his own detriment.
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  • JStangJStang  2671WRX Points: 285Handicap: 7.1Members Posts: 2,671
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    To clarify, I'm not trying to stir the pot here. I am just relaying what I read from a well known figure in the golf industry.
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    '16 M2 Rogue Fairway | 915H 2 | T-MB 3, 718 CB 4-PW | Vokey SM6 52, SM7 58 | Toulon LV
  • TexasCarlosTexasCarlos  861WRX Points: 1Handicap: 6.7Unregistered Posts: 861
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    Crossfield is salty about TM not sending him anything, Mark just trying to stir the pot. Twistface really isn't detrimental to a professional. Crossfield always bashes tech and features simply because he likes to pander to the people that watch his videos and hardly understand what to look for in a club.
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    Keyword is "rumor"
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    Srixon Z545 4-PW
    Vokey SM6 46* 50* 54* 58*
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  • cvhookem63cvhookem63 Fujikura Ventus Experience ETX 4788WRX Points: 464ClubWRX Posts: 4,788
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    It is humorous that his go to partner for this nonsense is **** who also feels slighted by TM.
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    NIKE Vapor Fly 14* Fujikura Rombax P95X
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  • KonkliferKonklifer Thinkin' of a master plan...  7979WRX Points: 556Members Posts: 7,979
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    What a bonehead move when it could easily be fact checked on the conforming list.
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  • pacobanuelospacobanuelos  30WRX Points: 0Handicap: 13Members Posts: 30
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    Doesn't the conforming list gets published every monday, yet to see today's
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    TM P790 UDI - X100
    Mizuno JPX 900T 4-PW - X100 +.5
    Titleist 50F08, 54S10, 58M08 -S400 (64 in)
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    Crossfield is salty about TM not sending him anything, Mark just trying to stir the pot. Twistface really isn't detrimental to a professional. Crossfield always bashes tech and features simply because he likes to pander to the people that watch his videos and hardly understand what to look for in a club.




    I must say that his approach isn't going to get him back on TM's good side. He's made his bed with them...
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    '16 M2 Rogue Fairway | 915H 2 | T-MB 3, 718 CB 4-PW | Vokey SM6 52, SM7 58 | Toulon LV
  • bullie76bullie76  2241WRX Points: 194Handicap: 9Members Posts: 2,241
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    I doubt TM will ever send him clubs to review after posts like this on Twitter.
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    Callaway Rogue 9 * driver reg
    Callaway Rogue 3 & 5 fw woods reg
    Callaway Rogue X 4,5,6 hybrids reg
    Callaway Apex cf16 irons 6-pw Recoil ES 760/f3 reg 
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  • scratchswingerscratchswinger  16412WRX Points: 335Members Posts: 16,412
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    At the end of the day Twist Face or any other gimmick is not going to change your score on the course....
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    And here we go ........... image/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' />
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    • M5 15* - Tensei PW 70TX
    • P790 3 - ADDI 95X
    • P750 4-PW - TI X100
    • MG2  52 & 58 - TI S400
    • Stroke Lab 10s
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  • QuigleyDUQuigleyDU  8977WRX Points: 2,523Handicap: 8Members Posts: 8,977
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    seems to me though that he wouldn't be making this up. There is currently a lot of risk for him to make up something, He tagged some other reputable equipment testers looking to get an answer to the question. I would say that he is legitimately asking. just comes across wrong because of his ongoing beef with TM and his current persona. Also, as a person that "appears' to try and be at the forefront of golf equipment knowledge, that he would know what resources were available to verify before reaching out to secondary sources.
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    Driver: Callaway Epic SubZero 3D 9*, Fujikura Ventus 7X
    3 iron Cobra King Utility Aldila Rouge 90 X flex
    4-PW Mizuno MP-18 MB Aldila RIP SLT Tour 115X Flex
    WEDGES; CLEVELAND RTX4: 52, 58, 64
    PUTTER; Kronos release long neck
    BALL; 2019 ProV1 yellow/Snell MTB-X yellow
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  • gioguy21gioguy21 NJ 8087WRX Points: 1,340Handicap: +1.6 (1194646)Members Posts: 8,087
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    timeline (yes, leaving out some other 'fluff' - but sticking to the important notes):



    - signs with titleist

    - doesn't get testing equipment from TM

    - posts an attempt at humor youtube video about how he didn't get what he wanted

    - posts a 'rumor' of TM clubs on twitter



    hmm...since he's assuming it's true, can we assume that crossfield could be arrogant enough, or paid to badmouth TM since signing with Titleist?
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    Epic Flash SZ / 9* (set D/S) / Fujikura Pro 2.0 TS 6X tipped 1.50"
    Epic Flash SZ / 3+ (set -1/N) / HZRDUS Smoke Black 75g 6.5 tipped 2"
    Epic CF17 3i / Tensei PW Hybrid 100TX
    Apex MB Chrome / 3-PW / Modus 130 X
    MD4 Chrome / 52, 56, 60 / DG 115 S200 (for now)
    Piretti Tour 801R / 35.5"

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