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ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial ShankerAdvanced Members Posts: 5,023 ✭✭
I'm going to try chronicling my game, lessons and practice for a while. This is my attempt to provide personal content to the site in the hopes that it will be useful in one way or another, at least maybe to some. If this thread proves to be useless I won't beat a dead horse.



About me:



Weekend warrior. Summer of 2017 I played to an all-time low of 4. Handicap usually somewhere between 4 – 7. However, I picked up some bad habits and my ball striking completely left me. In the span of around 3 months I went from a 4 handicap up to 11 (my current number). **Lots of shanks have happened in this period**



***FFS please no more shanks***



I've been told by my buddies (who are good sticks themselves) that I: swing from the inside too much, restrict my hips in the backswing, move off the ball too much and get "out in front" way too much. I suppose this is all could be true but I've never really known what to do with this information.



I also have never really practiced because of the fear that I'll practice the wrong things and then really set in stone bad habits or just waste my time. If someone asked me how to practice effectively I wouldn't know what to tell them.



For my own sanity I decided if I'm going to keep playing this game its time to try taking lessons. There is a well-respected instructor in my town that a buddy referred me to. To start I purchased a package of 4 lessons. Definitely open to continuing on with lessons but had to start somewhere so I picked package deal of 4 lessons.



My dream would be to improve my game enough to be a scratch golfer. To clarify, when I say scratch I mean a weekend-warrior-playing-the-same-course-every-weekend kind of scratch. I could very well be delusional in this goal but I'm not trying to say I'm going to become a legit tournament scratch. Just want to shoot goods scores with my buddies and maybe play one or two tournaments a year.



The idea I had for this thread would be to provide regular updates on how I'm playing, how lessons are going, what I'm learning and *hopefully* provide evidence of improvement along the way.



Would this interest anyone? Any ideas on how I can make this topic interesting enough for people to get something out of it?



**These are a couple of swings from last summer when I knew things were going wrong. We can use this as a starting point**



- https://youtu.be/aRjeclA9YWE

- https://youtu.be/-bLrI2phDuM
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  • CrickorCreekCrickorCreek Members Posts: 17
    Be honest bout the good and bad of your efforts. Especially the shanks. People love dirt but I’m interested on how you overcome them. My handicap and game almost mirror yours exactly. Went from a 5 to a 12 cause of those **** things and it’s from getting stuck n swinging from inside. The mental hurdle is prolly more difficult to overcome than the physical. Good luck brother.
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Advanced Members Posts: 5,023 ✭✭


    Be honest bout the good and bad of your efforts. Especially the shanks. People love dirt but I'm interested on how you overcome them. My handicap and game almost mirror yours exactly. Went from a 5 to a 12 cause of those **** things and it's from getting stuck n swinging from inside. The mental hurdle is prolly more difficult to overcome than the physical. Good luck brother.




    It sucks to be playing at your best and in a short amount of time you have no confidence anymore and can't hit the ball worth a lick. I'll give this thread a go - to see if it gets any traction and maybe it will help a few people along the way.
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  • msgmsg Advanced Members Posts: 305 ✭✭
    I think it is doable. If you got to as low as 4, I think you are close to your target if you just focus and give it your best. Back in 2016, I joined a league which had some of the best golfers in our community. I wanted to be one of the best so I really grind that year and practiced every thing that I can practice.



    I was able to get to 6 or 4 based on my Game Golf app. I used to be like 13 before then. Like you, I only play once a week and just practice whatever I can on weekdays. And we usually rotate three to four golf courses.



    Last year, I did not join any league and kind a lost interest. I sucked when I joined the tournaments that I was expecting to at least qualify to the next rounds and get to play free golf. lol I was overconfident and this game humbled me. So this year, like you, my goal is to grind it again and beat my 4 handicap and get lower and qualify for those tournaments.



    I'll follow your thread and see where it takes you!
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Advanced Members Posts: 5,023 ✭✭
    msg wrote:


    I think it is doable. If you got to as low as 4, I think you are close to your target if you just focus and give it your best. Back in 2016, I joined a league which had some of the best golfers in our community. I wanted to be one of the best so I really grind that year and practiced every thing that I can practice.



    I was able to get to 6 or 4 based on my Game Golf app. I used to be like 13 before then. Like you, I only play once a week and just practice whatever I can on weekdays. And we usually rotate three to four golf courses.



    Last year, I did not join any league and kind a lost interest. I sucked when I joined the tournaments that I was expecting to at least qualify to the next rounds and get to play free golf. lol I was overconfident and this game humbled me. So this year, like you, my goal is to grind it again and beat my 4 handicap and get lower and qualify for those tournaments.



    I'll follow your thread and see where it takes you!




    Very cool! It might be wishful thinking on my part to think I can get to scratch but I'll give it a go anyways. My first lesson is this Saturday.
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  • Hawkeye77Hawkeye77 Countdown to The Masters! ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 16,734 ClubWRX
    Looking forward to summary/recap/insights from lesson(s).
  • Jackhammer993Jackhammer993 Advanced Members Posts: 800
    Do you mind telling the name of the instructor and at what facility. I have struggled with the shanks from time to time. Literally would shank every single iron non stop...lol. It happened during a Ping fitting in Sacramento and also when I was testing some Miura irons in Half Moon Bay. I’ve also had bouts on the course where it was so bad I would just hit hybrids to finish out my round. I can self correct but not immediately. Good luck with your quest.
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Advanced Members Posts: 5,023 ✭✭


    Do you mind telling the name of the instructor and at what facility. I have struggled with the shanks from time to time. Literally would shank every single iron non stop...lol. It happened during a Ping fitting in Sacramento and also when I was testing some Miura irons in Half Moon Bay. I've also had bouts on the course where it was so bad I would just hit hybrids to finish out my round. I can self correct but not immediately. Good luck with your quest.




    Not sure what the proper etiquette is here so I'm going to ask my instructor for permission first before mentioning names. I'm not sure I even need to ask but I want to be respectful.
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  • anthanth From the Land Down Under Advanced Members Posts: 2,738 ✭✭
    Following with interest
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  • Jackhammer993Jackhammer993 Advanced Members Posts: 800
    Sure, if it’s something that makes you feel uncomfortable no need to do it. I hope you are successful in your quest.
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Advanced Members Posts: 5,023 ✭✭


    Sure, if it's something that makes you feel uncomfortable no need to do it. I hope you are successful in your quest.




    Jack check your PMs.
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  • tarheelrxtarheelrx Advanced Members Posts: 166
    Very interested in following this!
  • canthitathreewoodcanthitathreewood Advanced Members Posts: 214 ✭✭
    Good luck to you! Swing looks more like scratch than an 11.
    Play Hard!
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Advanced Members Posts: 5,023 ✭✭


    Good luck to you! Swing looks more like scratch than an 11.




    Thanks for the kind words but if I almost killed you by way of shanking one at your cranium I doubt you'd be so nice about it. Just flat out gave up on a couple rounds during the fall because I could hardly get the ball air born.
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  • canthitathreewoodcanthitathreewood Advanced Members Posts: 214 ✭✭
    ebrasmus21 wrote:


    Good luck to you! Swing looks more like scratch than an 11.




    Thanks for the kind words but if I almost killed you by way of shanking one at your cranium I doubt you'd be so nice about it. Just flat out gave up on a couple rounds during the fall because I could hardly get the ball air born.




    Move all the change from your right pocket to your left pocket....
    Play Hard!
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Advanced Members Posts: 5,023 ✭✭

    ebrasmus21 wrote:


    Good luck to you! Swing looks more like scratch than an 11.




    Thanks for the kind words but if I almost killed you by way of shanking one at your cranium I doubt you'd be so nice about it. Just flat out gave up on a couple rounds during the fall because I could hardly get the ball air born.




    Move all the change from your right pocket to your left pocket....




    Lol, it couldn't have hurt to try. I'll remember just in case I need that move in the future.
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  • deadsolid...shankdeadsolid...shank ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 14,336 ClubWRX
    ebrasmus21 wrote:



    Good luck to you! Swing looks more like scratch than an 11.




    Thanks for the kind words but if I almost killed you by way of shanking one at your cranium I doubt you'd be so nice about it. Just flat out gave up on a couple rounds during the fall because I could hardly get the ball air born.




    I have felt your pain ebrasmus. It's been over 25 years ago when we lived in Phoenix, but I had the shanks for basically a year. Every iron and wedge. I spent an entire summer playing an old laminated 5 wood all around the course. Was ever so close to completely quitting. Eventually they sort of went away, but would still reoccur on an annual basis, and last a week to 10 days. Then I would work through them and be good for a while....but when they hit at the time of a bigger tournament, Oh Dear!! Finally one afternoon was talking to one of the local pros (who in our area's teaching hierarchy would have been in the lower half) and told him about my problem. He grabbed a bucket of balls, said let's go look, and 15 minutes later told me what I was doing. Now I have one on occasion, but know wha causes it. No real point to my story, just commiserating.



    Good luck and I look forward to following along.
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  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Advanced Members Posts: 5,023 ✭✭

    ebrasmus21 wrote:



    Good luck to you! Swing looks more like scratch than an 11.




    Thanks for the kind words but if I almost killed you by way of shanking one at your cranium I doubt you'd be so nice about it. Just flat out gave up on a couple rounds during the fall because I could hardly get the ball air born.




    I have felt your pain ebrasmus. It's been over 25 years ago when we lived in Phoenix, but I had the shanks for basically a year. Every iron and wedge. I spent an entire summer playing an old laminated 5 wood all around the course. Was ever so close to completely quitting. Eventually they sort of went away, but would still reoccur on an annual basis, and last a week to 10 days. Then I would work through them and be good for a while....but when they hit at the time of a bigger tournament, Oh Dear!! Finally one afternoon was talking to one of the local pros (who in our area's teaching hierarchy would have been in the lower half) and told him about my problem. He grabbed a bucket of balls, said let's go look, and 15 minutes later told me what I was doing. Now I have one on occasion, but know wha causes it. No real point to my story, just commiserating.



    Good luck and I look forward to following along.




    Thanks DSS - I've been able to mildly control the hozzle for the past month or so. Shot 77 last Sunday which was my first decent round in about 3 months. If I find the cure I'll share it!
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  • gentlesgentles Advanced Members Posts: 1,818 ✭✭
    A few pointers OP that might help you:



    Use some basic statistics to understand where you need to improve the last few strokes off your game. Mathematically you need to save a quarter of a shot on every hole, where will that come from? Strokes gained lets you reference against PGA tour averages. I spent 2 months tracking every shot and found that my wedge game was actually the best part of my game, I thought it was bad. Scott Fawcett's DECADE system is a user friendly method which does the analysis for you and tells you what you need to work on.



    Learn more about proper practice techniques. "The Practice Manual" by Adam Young is a great place to start with this - there are different types of practice, and you should be intentional about what you're doing. There is a LOT of great ideas in the book. One example I like is differential practice - can you strike the ball solidly if you hover the club above the ball at address, or take a stronger than normal, one foot back stance? Learning to be adaptable and transfer skills in different settings makes a big difference when you try and execute on the course.



    Good luck OP!
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  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Advanced Members Posts: 5,023 ✭✭
    gentles wrote:


    A few pointers OP that might help you:



    Use some basic statistics to understand where you need to improve the last few strokes off your game. Mathematically you need to save a quarter of a shot on every hole, where will that come from? Strokes gained lets you reference against PGA tour averages. I spent 2 months tracking every shot and found that my wedge game was actually the best part of my game, I thought it was bad. Scott Fawcett's DECADE system is a user friendly method which does the analysis for you and tells you what you need to work on.



    Learn more about proper practice techniques. "The Practice Manual" by Adam Young is a great place to start with this - there are different types of practice, and you should be intentional about what you're doing. There is a LOT of great ideas in the book. One example I like is differential practice - can you strike the ball solidly if you hover the club above the ball at address, or take a stronger than normal, one foot back stance? Learning to be adaptable and transfer skills in different settings makes a big difference when you try and execute on the course.



    Good luck OP!




    Good advice, thank you. I work and have to travel for work pretty often so my time to practice is limited. I want to make sure that any extra time I have is spent wisely.



    I'm not familiar with the DECADE system so I'll have to do some research. From one of Richie's posts it sounds like keeping track of strokes gained stats properly is easier said than done. So, user-friendly sounds good to me. Thanks again!
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  • gentlesgentles Advanced Members Posts: 1,818 ✭✭
    ebrasmus21 wrote:

    gentles wrote:


    A few pointers OP that might help you:



    Use some basic statistics to understand where you need to improve the last few strokes off your game. Mathematically you need to save a quarter of a shot on every hole, where will that come from? Strokes gained lets you reference against PGA tour averages. I spent 2 months tracking every shot and found that my wedge game was actually the best part of my game, I thought it was bad. Scott Fawcett's DECADE system is a user friendly method which does the analysis for you and tells you what you need to work on.



    Learn more about proper practice techniques. "The Practice Manual" by Adam Young is a great place to start with this - there are different types of practice, and you should be intentional about what you're doing. There is a LOT of great ideas in the book. One example I like is differential practice - can you strike the ball solidly if you hover the club above the ball at address, or take a stronger than normal, one foot back stance? Learning to be adaptable and transfer skills in different settings makes a big difference when you try and execute on the course.



    Good luck OP!




    Good advice, thank you. I work and have to travel for work pretty often so my time to practice is limited. I want to make sure that any extra time I have is spent wisely.



    I'm not familiar with the DECADE system so I'll have to do some research. From one of Richie's posts it sounds like keeping track of strokes gained stats properly is easier said than done. So, user-friendly sounds good to me. Thanks again!




    I think its a simple as planning out what you want to do with your practice time. If you lift weights at the gym, you usually show up knowing exactly how much you're going to lift, and in what order, how much break time etc. Try to treat practice time the same, at least to some degree. If you're working on executing under pressure, then don't take any video or use training aids. If you're working on your transition, you barely need to hit any balls at all, just focus on the movement etc.



    you can purchase practice plans direct from Adam - I found them very useful for providing drills you can do at home and on the range etc...it is tailored towards your needs and practice time. https://www.adamyounggolf.com/online-coaching-2/



    If you do some google searching you can find strokes gained spreadsheets to use..the hardest part is actually recording every shot - only takes a few seconds you just have to remember to do it!
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  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Advanced Members Posts: 5,023 ✭✭
    gentles wrote:

    ebrasmus21 wrote:

    gentles wrote:


    A few pointers OP that might help you:



    Use some basic statistics to understand where you need to improve the last few strokes off your game. Mathematically you need to save a quarter of a shot on every hole, where will that come from? Strokes gained lets you reference against PGA tour averages. I spent 2 months tracking every shot and found that my wedge game was actually the best part of my game, I thought it was bad. Scott Fawcett's DECADE system is a user friendly method which does the analysis for you and tells you what you need to work on.



    Learn more about proper practice techniques. "The Practice Manual" by Adam Young is a great place to start with this - there are different types of practice, and you should be intentional about what you're doing. There is a LOT of great ideas in the book. One example I like is differential practice - can you strike the ball solidly if you hover the club above the ball at address, or take a stronger than normal, one foot back stance? Learning to be adaptable and transfer skills in different settings makes a big difference when you try and execute on the course.



    Good luck OP!




    Good advice, thank you. I work and have to travel for work pretty often so my time to practice is limited. I want to make sure that any extra time I have is spent wisely.



    I'm not familiar with the DECADE system so I'll have to do some research. From one of Richie's posts it sounds like keeping track of strokes gained stats properly is easier said than done. So, user-friendly sounds good to me. Thanks again!




    I think its a simple as planning out what you want to do with your practice time. If you lift weights at the gym, you usually show up knowing exactly how much you're going to lift, and in what order, how much break time etc. Try to treat practice time the same, at least to some degree. If you're working on executing under pressure, then don't take any video or use training aids. If you're working on your transition, you barely need to hit any balls at all, just focus on the movement etc.



    you can purchase practice plans direct from Adam - I found them very useful for providing drills you can do at home and on the range etc...it is tailored towards your needs and practice time. https://www.adamyounggolf.com/online-coaching-2/



    If you do some google searching you can find strokes gained spreadsheets to use..the hardest part is actually recording every shot - only takes a few seconds you just have to remember to do it!




    Thank you, this is useful for me to think about and eventually implement.
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  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Advanced Members Posts: 5,023 ✭✭
    I have a post coming regarding how I played today and my first lesson this afternoon. It's going to be a little bit long but I don't think that bad. Please let me know if my post is too long so I can provide content that people will actually read.



    Post should be ready later tonight or tomorrow morning.
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  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Advanced Members Posts: 5,023 ✭✭
    Morning Round & First Lesson 2/17/18

    Played 18 this morning – stopping keeping track of my score when I realized I was +10 through 8… Yeah.



    Lesson

    Met with my instructor Cindy Vining. Cindy’s instruction revolves heavily on proper setup including grip, grip pressure, ball position and posture. Cindy teaches a swing with a one-piece take-away using big muscles to complete the backswing and in the downswing the rotation and opening of the body to release the club. This might sound confusing to some but it really isn’t. Let me explain my experience.



    She had me warm up as I normally would and we just small talked for a few minutes. After getting warm Cindy explained her philosophy to me and her reasons for it. She then took some pictures of my setup position and began to explain why my setup sucks (pictures will follow soon that display my normal setup postion).



    She had me set up in accordance to her philosophy and it felt quite strange. I’ve never had a lesson before so trying this new set up felt completely foreign to me (pictures of the correct setup to follow).



    She got me in a position that facilitates a one-piece take away and I proceeded to absolutely pure my first shot. Even though the set up felt completely different and strange the swing felt easy and free and natural. I hit the ball pure pretty much all lesson. I hit one shank and a couple of lose shots and Cindy felt that a couple of them were because I was pulling with my right hand in the takeaway and a couple of others that I hit bad were because of uneven grip pressure between my right and left hand. She also said I regripped mid-swing a couple times. Cindy got the suspicion that my grip pressure was uneven early on. She asked some questions about my grip and the feeling of each hand in the swing and I grip pretty tight with my left hand and pretty lightly in my right. Apparently uneven grip pressure can often lead to bad things. When my setup was on point and I had even grip pressure the swing felt so effortless.



    I can’t really describe how easy the swing felt after being set up properly to the ball. It just felt simple compared to my natural swing. Like literally all I had to do was turn away from the ball and turn through the shot. That’s it.



    I’m trying to contain my excitement and optimism but I could hardly believe how good I was hitting it. It seemed like Cindy performed some kind of magic on me. At one point I hit about ten pure 7-irons in a row that landed with a dispersion that I’ve seldom – if ever – been able to achieve. I can’t imagine how the lesson could have gone any better. The set up felt weird the entire lesson but the results were very unexpected and frankly amazing given how poorly I’ve been hitting the ball the past few months.



    How does Cindy want me to practice? First, I’ll be hanging around watching TV I’ll work on my grip and trying to achieve even pressure in both hands. Second, I’ll practice my setup positions in the mirror over and over to try and get the feeling to settle in. Third, I’ll try to make it to the range (hopefully) a few times this week to groove the setup position and takeaway.



    I’ll play 18 again tomorrow morning and I’ll view it as practice. I’m going to try and bring what I practiced today out to the course. I know it can be difficult to practice new swing ideas on the course but I have such a small amount of time that I’m able to practice right now I need to use the course as practice as well.
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  • Jackhammer993Jackhammer993 Advanced Members Posts: 800
    Sounds like your on your way. Just don’t get down if you have a little 2 steps forward one step back. Keep at it.
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Advanced Members Posts: 5,023 ✭✭


    Sounds like your on your way. Just don’t get down if you have a little 2 steps forward one step back. Keep at it.




    I’m preparing myself for this. Couldn’t help but be exited yesterday even though I know it isn’t as simple as one lesson.
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  • davep043davep043 Advanced Members Posts: 2,958 ✭✭
    One thing I found helpful when I was making a change to my set-up was video. You said Cindy showed you photos of your original set-up, and explained the changes. So take videos as you practice, to verify that you set up properly. Seeing that you're doing the right thing, even when it feels odd, will help you to persevere.
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Advanced Members Posts: 5,023 ✭✭
    davep043 wrote:


    One thing I found helpful when I was making a change to my set-up was video. You said Cindy showed you photos of your original set-up, and explained the changes. So take videos as you practice, to verify that you set up properly. Seeing that you're doing the right thing, even when it feels odd, will help you to persevere.




    Good advice thank you Dave.
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  • bogeyprobogeypro The Original Bogeypro ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 3,136 ClubWRX
    Personally, I'd say don't play until you get comfortable with the new swing. Here's my thinking... when practicing, you are only practicing...you are thinking about your swing and grooving the changes - you don't care if you hit a bad shot because you are practicing. When you get to the course, you are thinking too much about results - you will fall back to old habits because they are comfortable.



    Wait a month, then go hit the course and see how it goes.
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  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Advanced Members Posts: 5,023 ✭✭
    bogeypro wrote:


    Personally, I'd say don't play until you get comfortable with the new swing. Here's my thinking... when practicing, you are only practicing...you are thinking about your swing and grooving the changes - you don't care if you hit a bad shot because you are practicing. When you get to the course, you are thinking too much about results - you will fall back to old habits because they are comfortable.



    Wait a month, then go hit the course and see how it goes.




    That could be good advice, bogeypro. I talked to Cindy about it and she’s okay with me playing right now but if today is a disaster I’ll probably need to reasses
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  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Advanced Members Posts: 5,023 ✭✭
    Some thoughts after playing today.
    1. Pured a few Drives. Pured a long iron into a par 5. Pured a couple of wedges. Distances were up on the good shots. This is because I'm able to use my legs to generate power now.
    2. Hit plenty of bad shots.
    3. Really inconsistent ball striking. During my lesson the ball striking was so good. Today playing not so much
    4. I think the ball striking has to do with my grip pressure and my take away. I need to figure out a consistent grip-pressure that works for me and I need to stop pulling with my right hand in the take away.
    5. My hamnstrings are so tight. I played basketball my entire life and I've know that my hamstrings are tight for many many years. From my lesson I know I'm in the right setup position because my hamstrings are on fire. Need to get more flexible in this area.
    6. Gonna take reps to get this
    7. Practicing my grip and my setup right now watching the Olympics.




    P.S.



    I want to give a special shout out to Dan Drake (prolific poster here). Dan, I saw, posted in several threads regarding keeping track of strokes gained and using a strokes gained spreadsheet. I'm a perfect stranger to Dan but I sent him a PM to ask if he could send me his spreadsheet and walk me through its use. Let me say this - Dan is passionate about being a PGA Professional. He doesn't know me, yet he called me this morning [FL --> CA] because he wanted to make sure I was 100% comfortable using his spreadsheet and understanding in its capabilities. He explained how using the spreadsheet can help facilitate practicing in an efficient manner and gave me examples from his personal game. The ability to connect with Dan and his willingness to help a stranger are EXACTLY what makes this site great. Thank you Dan.



    I'll be practicing as much as I can this week. Hitting balls, focusing on my setup and especially my grip and takeaway. Today the pure shots felt effortless but it's far from consistent at this point. Reps and practice all this week.
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  • Jackhammer993Jackhammer993 Advanced Members Posts: 800
    I’m not sure if your lessons are on grass or on mats but hitting off mats is much easier. Just loosen up those hammys( plenty of stretching drills on the net) Regripping the club is hard to get rid of. I also did it slightly and I’m not sure if I ever completely got rid of it. Keep at it.
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    I'm not sure if your lessons are on grass or on mats but hitting off mats is much easier. Just loosen up those hammys( plenty of stretching drills on the net) Regripping the club is hard to get rid of. I also did it slightly and I'm not sure if I ever completely got rid of it. Keep at it.




    I've always looked my best off mats. Interestingly enough my lesson was on turf when I was hitting it great. This morning, when I was warming up for the round they had us hitting off of mats and I was pulling everything. Maybe pulled 3 or 4 shots today during my round but on the mats it was all left.



    The whole grip pressure thing is so new to me. Right now I feel like I'm starting from scratch in that respect; I don't know if I want to have light - medium or heavy pressure nor do I have a good feel when all is equal between right and left hand. I'm getting a feeling that grip pressure will be absolutely key for me to gain any consistency.
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  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Advanced Members Posts: 5,023 ✭✭
    edited February 2018
    1st Week of Practice:



    Monday hit balls and focused only on what Cindy told me to do. Working on posture and balance. Also getting used to the new feeling of this swing. Hit the ball pretty good overall.



    Tuesday – Thursday I was out of town for work. I still tried to practice my setup routine in the mirror in my hotel room. This was actually a pretty good way to pass the time watching the Olympics. Thursday night when I got back I hit balls for a couple of hours. I did not hit the ball great on Thursday. It felt like I was wearing a lead jacket or something. It just felt like I couldn’t move. I took a video of my swing and texted it to Cindy. She saw I had too much weight in my heels and she said its difficult to move from that position (see youtube).



    Today after work I hit balls for about 45 minutes. Still working on nothing else but my setup and having my weight spread evenly across my entire foot (not just my heels). This made me feel like I could move much easier and consequently I hit the ball pretty **** solid the entire session. I hit the ball where was aiming on the majority of shots. I hit some bad and some mediocre but overall, I’m pleased with today. I also texted a video of today’s swing to Cindy and she liked what it looked like much more than Thursday. I’ll post a video of each video to youtube.



    I’m not sure why but I have a problem getting my body through the ball. My body doesn’t seem to rotate enough through the downswing but I’m sure I’ll have a chance to work on that with Cindy. Right now she doesn't want me to focus on that.



    The grind will continue this weekend with more range time, more reps and more focus on my setup.



    Miscellaneous practicing:



    - Watching the Olympics back at home and I’m going through my setup routine with a SW over and over again. Grip, grip pressure, posture and ball position



    - Every time I use the restroom at work I go through my setup routine in the mirror twice. This is awkward I guess doing it in the work bathroom but I have no shame right now. My boss walked in and all he said was “working on your game eh?”



    - Haven’t counted any of my reps this week but its been a decent amount of work.
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  • Jackhammer993Jackhammer993 Advanced Members Posts: 800
    Your swing looks good. The sound of impact is crisp. Is your instructor good with you being so bent over at the waist? I know she wrote some kind of dissertation on the back and golf. Keep at it. By the way how’s your short game? That can cut 3-6 shots off your score if your dialed in.
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    Your swing looks good. The sound of impact is crisp. Is your instructor good with you being so bent over at the waist? I know she wrote some kind of dissertation on the back and golf. Keep at it. By the way how's your short game? That can cut 3-6 shots off your score if your dialed in.




    Thanks Jack. She is pretty happy with my setup position right now. She really wants my chest pointed at the ball. Before my chest was much higher and I had too much flex in my knees.



    Short game is terrible right now. I would say it's never been a strength but right now its worse then ever. I have another lesson with Cindy next Saturday which will be on short-game. Who knows if I'm going to get to scratch or not but I fully believe I can get three strokes better just on my short game.
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  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Advanced Members Posts: 5,023 ✭✭
    Wanted to post a down the line comparison from today and last summer. Just from making the setup changes I've added distance and height to my shots. I've actually never hit the ball higher than I am right now. It's a very noticeable difference in trajectory.



    Played 18 today and struggled. It's so easy to fall back into my bad habits that I'm actually glad I played just to show myself how much work I have to do and how much I have to commit and be focused on exactly what I'm doing. It requires a lot of concentration right now. That being said I hit some absolute gems today and that feels great.
    • Summer of 2017:

    • Today:




    I want to keep posting videos of my swing to see how it changes over time. I can see some things that I'd like to improve upon and change but I'm going to follow my what my instructor says and only work on things as they are discussed and introduced to me. At this point in time Cindy only wants me to work on my setup and balance.
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  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Advanced Members Posts: 5,023 ✭✭
    edited March 2018
    2nd Lesson 3/3/18



    Well a couple of people asked why I was bent so far over in the videos I’ve been posting and it turns out I was over doing it, Lol. Today at my lesson we softened by posture a little bit and it felt much more comfortable and as a result I’m not so hinged at the hips.



    Cindy noticed a swing flaw that was creating more problems in the downswing. Starting in the backswing my right arm wasn’t working quiet right and it was restricting my shoulder turn.



    Cindy wants a soft right arm in the backswing and I was keeping my arm straight for too long in the take-away. Doing this restricted my shoulder turn and was causing my posture to change during the swing because I couldn’t finish my shoulder turn I was trying to lift my arms and hands to finish the swing. These positions were making it difficult for me to rotate my hips through the ball and finish nice and tall on my left side. I was kind of releasing the clubhead with just hands rather than having my body rotation release the club for me. It just felt like my hips were stuck and left me flat footed in my right foot.



    She had me put a cut down pool noodle under my right armpit to help me understand the feeling with the right arm. Again, I was amazed how much it immediately helped with my shoulder rotation. Same for the body rotation – on the first swing I was able to get all the way to my left side.



    I don’t know how to articulate this as well as my instructor but the way she teaches the swing she’s trying to get the body into a position to use the ground to help generate power.



    The way the setup works into the take-way that works into the shoulder turn that includes how the hips are turning – it’s all of these things working appropriately to allow for power to be transferred from the ground up.



    I would say the results proved Cindy’s point because the green I was hitting into nicely during my warmup I was airmailing after I got into a groove with the pool noodle.



    So this was a great lesson and I hit a lot of solid shots. But they weren’t all solid. I shanked two, bladed at least three and hit some more that were weak pushes.



    For me it’s all about a smooth take-away that leads into a good swing. If I rip the club up with my right hand I’m dead (I’m prone to do this). If I sway off the ball because I’m jerky I’m dead. When I did these moves my shots sucked. When my take-away was controlled and smooth the shot might not have been perfect but it was a decent miss.



    Part of my game has included round-destroying shots like shanks and bladed irons. If I can incorporate misses that aren’t so horrendous I think that will go a long ways to my goal of getting to scratch.



    I’ll post some new videos tomorrow while I practice using the pool noodle.



    Also, bogeypro if you're out there I think you were right about practicing for a while before heading out to the course. It's stress free practicing but not so much playing. I'm in a grint league so I need to post a score in March but the rest of the month I'll just grind on the range I think.



    Thanks to everyone who's following and commenting. I'm happy to share in the hopes that something I say might help someone else.
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  • Jackhammer993Jackhammer993 Advanced Members Posts: 800
    Don’t be to hard on yourself. You have a good looking swing and are making adjustments to make it more effective. Sounds like you are making the most of the time that you have available for golf with lessons, practicing and playing and have an instructor who you enjoy and trust. Keep the updates coming and enjoy the journey.
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    Don’t be to hard on yourself. You have a good looking swing and are making adjustments to make it more effective. Sounds like you are making the most of the time that you have available for golf with lessons, practicing and playing and have an instructor who you enjoy and trust. Keep the updates coming and enjoy the journey.




    Thanks Jack. I’m actually excited about practicing and grinding on my game. Working with an instructor has given me hope that there’s a lot more left in the tank. I can get better and I hope to document some of that here
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  • lowheellowheel LOWHEEL Advanced Members Posts: 5,802 ✭✭
    edited March 2018
    As I mentioned to you in our DMs, you have everything it takes to get to scratch and better. Your'e the student instructors hope walks through the door. You got to a 4 on your own which displays alot of talent on its own. Ill be following your progress and wish you luck but most importantly enjoy the process. The most important advice mentally I can give you is be prepared to watch your scores climb in the short term and you might be hitting some terrible shots when you play moving forward. Dont get discouraged by this!!! i cant stress this enough. It will get better but slowly.



    As for your newer action you have some Brendan Steele in you with your posture. The one question i would have is have you been fit for your clubs? is your instructor working on your balance and where your weight is in your feet? really excited to see how far you go.Have fun!!!



    Heres a drill for you to look at. you can do this at home as a rehearsal. youll activate your hips a little more and get proper rotation



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  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Advanced Members Posts: 5,023 ✭✭
    lowheel wrote:


    As I mentioned to you in our DMs, you have everything it takes to get to scratch and better. Your'e the student instructors hope walks through the door. You got to a 4 on your own which displays alot of talent on its own. Ill be following your progress and wish you luck but most importantly enjoy the process. The most important advice mentally I can give you is be prepared to watch your scores climb in the short term and you might be hitting some terrible shots when you play moving forward. Dont get discouraged by this!!! i cant stress this enough. It will get better but slowly.



    As for your newer action you have some Brendan Steele in you with your posture. The one question i would have is have you been fit for your clubs? is your instructor working on your balance and where your weight is in your feet? really excited to see how far you go.Have fun!!!



    Heres a drill for you to look at. you can do this at home as a rehearsal. youll activate your hips a little more and get proper rotation



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    Thanks for the drill, I'll be giving this a try today!



    As for the new action I'll try to post some new videos today where I'm not quite as hinged over. My instructor said I was over doing it with the posture at address.



    I did get fit for my irons but that was with my old setup position and my swing was a mess when I was there to begin with so that fitting might not mean much at this point. I have another fitting scheduled for the end of this month.



    You also made a good observation about my balance and weight in my feet. In most cases I've been setting up with too much weight in my heels. My instructor has been working with me on this as something that has to fundamentally get better for me to improve. We spent a good amount of time talking about exactly this in my lesson.



    It will take some time to put all these piece together but I'm excited for the challenge.



    Lastly, LH, I remember a post you made about Tiger when he was on the range with a glove under his right armpit. That's what my instructor has me doing right now and it helps me tremendously with the feel I'm going for. I'll be using that drill a lot from now on when I'm practicing.
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  • BNGLBNGL Advanced Members Posts: 1,526 ✭✭
    Nice dude keep it up!
  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Advanced Members Posts: 5,023 ✭✭
    Haven't shown you guys the big dog yet. Excited to see where this swing goes from here. Hit both of these solid but still not getting to my left side like I'd like to. Should be able to make some nice improvements image/drinks.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':drinks:' />





    Driver Face On:



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  • Jackhammer993Jackhammer993 Advanced Members Posts: 800
    Looks good. Does your instructor want you swinging up on the ball with the driver? Also your last move before you start your backswing is to extend the club out to the ball. Is that your move or something your instructor is advocating. Keep it going!!
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    Looks good. Does your instructor want you swinging up on the ball with the driver? Also your last move before you start your backswing is to extend the club out to the ball. Is that your move or something your instructor is advocating. Keep it going!!




    We haven’t talked about swinging up on the ball so I’m not sure her thoughts. As far as I know I’ve always swung up with the driver.



    The last thing where I extend to the ball... I had to think about it but I think that’s just something I’ve always done. Not something my instructor has given an opinion on. Are you asking out curiosity or do you think it’s leading to something else?
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  • Jackhammer993Jackhammer993 Advanced Members Posts: 800
    I think that move is fairly common with a driver as it encourages more of a sweeping reaching motion. If you are hitting your driver well I would just sttick with what works. For me I usually start my backswing with a bend of the knees before I start the club back. We all have different triggers. I’m definitely not as knowledgeable about swing mechanics as most on this forum but am asking more for curiosity sake. I like your posture better in this latest video. Have a good evening.
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    I think that move is fairly common with a driver as it encourages more of a sweeping reaching motion. If you are hitting your driver well I would just sttick with what works. For me I usually start my backswing with a bend of the knees before I start the club back. We all have different triggers. I’m definitely not as knowledgeable about swing mechanics as most on this forum but am asking more for curiosity sake. I like your posture better in this latest video. Have a good evening.




    Thanks Jack. With driver I’d rather reach a little rather than stand on top of the ball so I suppose that might help me feel more comfortable before I swing. Sometimes however I reach too much and then I can’t stop myself from hooking the ball.



    I agree, this setup feels much more comfortable here than in my other videos. Take care.
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  • ebrasmus21ebrasmus21 Serial Shanker Advanced Members Posts: 5,023 ✭✭
    ***Disclaimer*** I'm not claiming that I'm doing this drill perfectly but I think its decent. I was struggling with my swing today hitting plenty of pushes and 5 shanks.



    Quick post to show you guys the pool noodle drill. My instructor has me doing this to promote a soft right arm in the takeaway. My right arm is too stiff at the moment and its causing me to struggle finishing my shoulder turn. Doing this drill helps me get the feel of how the right arm is working.



    Crazy how short this swing is yet its a full shoulder turn. Plenty of power in the short swing too.



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  • Jackhammer993Jackhammer993 Advanced Members Posts: 800
    edited March 2018
    Nice drill. Some instructors have you using under both arms like Leadbetter while Ballard is mainly concerned about the lead arm staying connected. I think good instructors grab the best ideas from other instructors. When the video started you were way bent over again but before you start your swing you straighten up. Keep it going. Your instructor had to be loving your dedication.
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    Nice drill. Some instructors have you using under both arms like Leadbetter while Ballard is mainly concerned about the lead arm staying connected. I think good instructors grab the best ideas from other instructors. When the video started you were way bent over again but before you start your swing you straighten up. Keep it going. Your instructor had to be loving your dedication.




    I'm really exaggeration that initial moment where I'm super bent over. I'm just trying to be very deliberate with my arm hang before I get set up. It's feeling better and more natural but I still have to really concentrate getting into position. I'm hoping with a few hundred more reps (or more) I can just step into position without having to think so much.



    My instructor was telling me when and why she uses towels or head-covers under one arm rather than the other. I can't remember the reasons she gave other than why she has me doing this drill.



    Today I was at the range for two hours. Hit 9 iron and 7 iron for pretty much the whole session. I'd hit 5 shots with the pool-noodle and 5 without - repeat. Over and over.
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