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Mario Good TimesMario Good Times  491Members Posts: 491
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So my buddy received his m3 today and brought it over and I put it on the swing weight scale. 44.5 driver length with the tensei white ck pro 60x and this driver came in at D0.0 wow!!! Anyone else notice how light these things are ???
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  • noodle3872noodle3872 Chilliwack B.C. Canada 2912Members Posts: 2,912
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    It’s an inch short of standard length. Of course it’s light!
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    Oh my god..
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    Add some Hot Melt #nectarofthegods



    Or “lead tape is your friend”
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    Ordered mine to specific weight. Supposed to ship Tuesday. Anxious to see how it weighs out.
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  • BirdieBobBirdieBob PXG  4210Members Posts: 4,210
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    You can add another weight of about 6 grams to the tracks and that should get it close to D3.

    Or change out the weights in the tracks to +6 grams.



    A club 1" shorter than standard should be expected to be at least 6 swingweights lower.
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    Glad we got that mystery solved...
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  • Mario Good TimesMario Good Times  491Members Posts: 491
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    Sorry Bomber didn’t realize asking questions on a golf forum was a major crime these days.



    Just weight the head and it’s 197 grams. What is the best way to get a extra slider weight?
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    Sorry Bomber didn’t realize asking questions on a golf forum was a major crime these days.



    Just weight the head and it’s 197 grams. What is the best way to get a extra slider weight?






    First call TM CS and ask if the M1 weight will fit in the M3....if YES then



    https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?ul_noapp=true&_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=taylormade+weights+m1&_sop=15
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  • trhodetrhode Fitter / Builder  2010Members Posts: 2,010
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    BirdieBob wrote:


    Sorry Bomber didn’t realize asking questions on a golf forum was a major crime these days.



    Just weight the head and it’s 197 grams. What is the best way to get a extra slider weight?






    First call TM CS and ask if the M1 weight will fit in the M3....if YES then



    [url="https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?ul_noapp=true&_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=taylormade+weights+m1&_sop=15"]https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?ul_noapp=true&_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=taylormade+weights+m1&_sop=15[/url]




    They a are totally different.
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  • Mario Good TimesMario Good Times  491Members Posts: 491
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    Why can’t they just sale replacement weights like they used to. The good old days
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  • Stuart_GStuart_G New Hampshire 24215Members Posts: 24,215
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    Why can’t they just sale replacement weights like they used to. The good old days




    Interesting question but my guess would be that it's likely because the cost to set up the logistics for sales of those parts is more then they'd make by selling them.
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  • hobbygolferhobbygolfer  775Members Posts: 775
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    I assume, you measured the head without the adapter? So - 197 gr plus 6 gr adapter weight gives you a pretty normal 203 gr for the driver head. Building a 203 head to 44.5 Inch will give you a swingweight around D0 with a 60 gr shaft depending on the balance point of the shaft. So everything looks to be spot on and normal.



    If you want to make the head heavier, please always keep in mind, that extra headweight will also soften the shaft ever so slightly. 1 sw point (2 gr) will soften it by roughly 1 cpm. Nothing major, but you should know about it.



    Cheers,

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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day... south carolina 28874Members Posts: 28,874
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    the OP isnt wrong..they are coming out light.. i weighed one at 194g.....most M1s ive weighed will be 200G +- 2G.... and if he ordered it at 44.5 what does that have to do with what standard weight and length is ? shouldnt it be weighted to play at 44.5?
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  • awtryau89awtryau89  1291Members Posts: 1,291
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    I have one completely stock and the headweight only was 197g. I added a strip of lead tape to the track down the middle. It fits perfectly in there and brought the head weight up to 201. I play mine at 44.75" or 45" depending on the shaft and it weighs D3.5 now. If you're going shorter, you may need the extra weight. The head can be hot melted easily through the port hole where the shaft is inserted.
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  • LlortamaiseyLlortamaisey  6073Members Posts: 6,073
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    Sounds like some of the retail heads are as light as the tour issue heads.
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  • Mario Good TimesMario Good Times  491Members Posts: 491
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    I would think Taylormade would make a effort when ordering a golf club in the range of $800 to get a swing weight some what normal. So you order a m3 with a up graded shaft ($200) tipped .5 and shaft cut down to 44.5 and $800 dollars later u get D0.0 and no heavier weights to order? Now I have to send the club to get hot melted $10 to ship $$50 to hot melt. One Taylormade driver later and yet to hit almost $1000 SMH ....
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  • noodle3872noodle3872 Chilliwack B.C. Canada 2912Members Posts: 2,912
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    awtryau89 wrote:


    I have one completely stock and the headweight only was 197g. I added a strip of lead tape to the track down the middle. It fits perfectly in there and brought the head weight up to 201. I play mine at 44.75" or 45" depending on the shaft and it weighs D3.5 now. If you're going shorter, you may need the extra weight. The head can be hot melted easily through the port hole where the shaft is inserted.




    The hotmelted port on the M3 is in the toe. M4’s are hotmelted through the the weight port hole.
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  • awtryau89awtryau89  1291Members Posts: 1,291
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    noodle3872 wrote:

    awtryau89 wrote:


    I have one completely stock and the headweight only was 197g. I added a strip of lead tape to the track down the middle. It fits perfectly in there and brought the head weight up to 201. I play mine at 44.75" or 45" depending on the shaft and it weighs D3.5 now. If you're going shorter, you may need the extra weight. The head can be hot melted easily through the port hole where the shaft is inserted.




    The hotmelted port on the M3 is in the toe. M4’s are hotmelted through the the weight port hole.




    Depends on where you want the hotmelt. I had an M2 hotmelted in the heel and the guy used the hole at the shaft insertion point. If you take the shaft out you can clearly see the opening.
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  • noodle3872noodle3872 Chilliwack B.C. Canada 2912Members Posts: 2,912
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    Okay, now I see where you are talking.
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  • rchera3rchera3 WhoDatPelican  337Members Posts: 337
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    I received my M4 today with Hzrdus Black 65 6.5 shaft at 45 inches and it feels light also. Its 3/4 inches shorter than standard. Will putting on a MMC 4 plus grip increase the swing weight? If so by how much?
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  • Big BenBig Ben  9239Members Posts: 9,239
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    The MMC Plus 4 will decrease the swing weight depending on the weight of the stock grip.
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  • jll62jll62 Minneapolis 2268ClubWRX Posts: 2,268
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    Stuart G. wrote:



    Why can’t they just sale replacement weights like they used to. The good old days




    Interesting question but my guess would be that it's likely because the cost to set up the logistics for sales of those parts is more then they'd make by selling them.




    According to a post by a TM employee on the TM Community, they will have 15g, 11g, 8g & 5g weights for sale on taylormadegolf.com eventually. But there's no immediate timetable for availability. My hunch is that there will be heavier weights available aftermarket soon, likely before the TM ones.
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  • Big BenBig Ben  9239Members Posts: 9,239
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    I haven't ordered a TM driver in some time but can't you specify a desired weight (for me D3-D4 @ 45') based on your personal specs and shaft choosing? I would hope so...BB
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    Fairway: Titleist 917F2
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    Wedges: Ping Gorge 2.0 Stealth's
    Putter: Evnroll 9.1
    Balls: ProV1
  • rchera3rchera3 WhoDatPelican  337Members Posts: 337
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    I have a standard MMC grip at 46G on the shaft now and the MMC Plus 4 is 66G. So this will increase the swing weight.
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  • Mario Good TimesMario Good Times  491Members Posts: 491
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    Going up grip weight decrease swing weight.. it does increase total mass weight. But going heavier on the grip decreases the end load as your adding weight to the opposite end
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  • Stuart_GStuart_G New Hampshire 24215Members Posts: 24,215
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    I would think Taylormade would make a effort when ordering a golf club in the range of $800 to get a swing weight some what normal.




    Just a bit of trivia. There was a time when D1 was a normal/stock Swing weight for a driver (~44"). The jump to D4 is ONLY a result of them also pushing the playing lengths to the point where they couldn't manage the "standard" swing weights any more.


    jll62 wrote:


    According to a post by a TM employee on the TM Community, they will have 15g, 11g, 8g & 5g weights for sale on taylormadegolf.com eventually. But there's no immediate timetable for availability. My hunch is that there will be heavier weights available aftermarket soon, likely before the TM ones.




    Interesting. And I agree with your hunch and wouldn't hold my breath for the TM release.




    Going up grip weight decrease swing weight.. it does increase total mass weight. But going heavier on the grip decreases the end load as your adding weight to the opposite end




    That's what the scale might say, but the true swing weight (and general concept of heft/MOI for a club) doesn't really work that way.



    For a heavier grip, it's usually best for most to ignore the change. Yes, shorter playing length might need some compensation but a heavier grip usually doesn't. There are always exceptions of course so it never hurts to play around with different head weights, I just wouldn't recommend any automatic compensations w/o testing first.
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  • BirdieBobBirdieBob PXG  4210Members Posts: 4,210
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    Big Ben wrote:


    I haven't ordered a TM driver in some time but can't you specify a desired weight (for me D3-D4 @ 45') based on your personal specs and shaft choosing? I would hope so...BB






    I know they don't for irons, so I would expect the same for woods. Was told that TM does not accept SW requests!
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  • myspinonitmyspinonit  2879Members Posts: 2,879
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    I'd certainly invest in some lead tape first testing as he goes before investing in hot melt etc. to see how much actual weight added works best.
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  • Big BenBig Ben  9239Members Posts: 9,239
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    BirdieBob wrote:

    Big Ben wrote:


    I haven't ordered a TM driver in some time but can't you specify a desired weight (for me D3-D4 @ 45') based on your personal specs and shaft choosing? I would hope so...BB






    I know they don't for irons, so I would expect the same for woods. Was told that TM does not accept SW requests!
    For me that's a deal breaker. BB
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  • Mario Good TimesMario Good Times  491Members Posts: 491
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    So one club $800

    *But no request for swing weight



    *No offer to purchase slider weights to build your own swing weight



    And I remember when Taylormade drivers where $299 and the option to buy a weight kit was available
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