2018 Titleist AVX Golf Balls

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  • 4puttJohnny4puttJohnny Members Posts: 458 ✭✭
    This ball is incorrectly priced. After an initial "rush", demand will quickly fall off and Titleist will re-price to align with the Chrome Soft, which is the only reason the AVX exists.
  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 9,763 ✭✭


    This ball is incorrectly priced. After an initial "rush", demand will quickly fall off and Titleist will re-price to align with the Chrome Soft, which is the only reason the AVX exists.




    I will send you a dozen AVX balls when Titleist drops the price on them to match any other manufacturer. You obviously are unfamiliar with how Titleist price their golf balls.



    The AVX does not perform anything remotely like Chrome Soft so I’m not sure why you think it is supposed to be aligned with that particular ball.
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  • BiggErnBiggErn Members Posts: 2,178 ✭✭


    This ball is incorrectly priced. After an initial "rush", demand will quickly fall off and Titleist will re-price to align with the Chrome Soft, which is the only reason the AVX exists.




    I will send you a dozen AVX balls when Titleist drops the price on them to match any other manufacturer. You obviously are unfamiliar with how Titleist price their golf balls.



    The AVX does not perform anything remotely like Chrome Soft so I’m not sure why you think it is supposed to be aligned with that particular ball.




    Both lower compression urethane balls. Unless Titleist injects them with unicorn blood and sprinkle them with pixie dust they will play very similar.
  • MBBGMBBG Members Posts: 1,447 ✭✭
    BiggErn wrote:



    This ball is incorrectly priced. After an initial "rush", demand will quickly fall off and Titleist will re-price to align with the Chrome Soft, which is the only reason the AVX exists.




    I will send you a dozen AVX balls when Titleist drops the price on them to match any other manufacturer. You obviously are unfamiliar with how Titleist price their golf balls.



    The AVX does not perform anything remotely like Chrome Soft so I’m not sure why you think it is supposed to be aligned with that particular ball.




    Both lower compression urethane balls. Unless Titleist injects them with unicorn blood and sprinkle them with pixie dust they will play very similar.




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  • BiggErnBiggErn Members Posts: 2,178 ✭✭
    MBBG wrote:
    BiggErn wrote:



    This ball is incorrectly priced. After an initial "rush", demand will quickly fall off and Titleist will re-price to align with the Chrome Soft, which is the only reason the AVX exists.




    I will send you a dozen AVX balls when Titleist drops the price on them to match any other manufacturer. You obviously are unfamiliar with how Titleist price their golf balls.



    The AVX does not perform anything remotely like Chrome Soft so I’m not sure why you think it is supposed to be aligned with that particular ball.




    Both lower compression urethane balls. Unless Titleist injects them with unicorn blood and sprinkle them with pixie dust they will play very similar.




    And there we have it, the view from 30,000 feet.



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  • BiggErnBiggErn Members Posts: 2,178 ✭✭
    This ball is incorrectly priced. After an initial "rush", demand will quickly fall off and Titleist will re-price to align with the Chrome Soft, which is the only reason the AVX exists.




    I’m not sure the price will drop as it is Titleist and fanboys will buy it for the name even it is a direct competitor to Chrome Soft, Duo urethane, etc. Why else would they make a low compression urethane ball when they harp on the ProV1 being the ultimate ball for golfers of all skill levels and swing speeds....basically ball fitting is irrelevant. I mean the ProV1(x) is a great ball if you want the ultimate in spin but after you zip wedges back 20 feet off the green a few times you realize while it’s cool it just isn’t worth $50 a dozen to do so. You can get a better feeling ball with the perfect amount of spin for less money in the Chrome Soft family....at least I can.
  • elwhippyelwhippy Members Posts: 3,074 ✭✭
    UK magazines saying same price as V1...that is £40 a dozen. I will pass.
  • tangojaytangojay Members Posts: 924 ✭✭
    I was given a sleeve and for my 14-16 handicap, it was not worth the msrp,,,,,, marketing hype IMHO
  • BiggErnBiggErn Members Posts: 2,178 ✭✭
    edited Apr 25, 2018 #70
    I’m just spit balling here but I’m thinking that this wasn’t a lot of R&D. They just rebranded the NXT with the “Tour Soft”. Guess that name is more appealing for a surlyn ball. So imo they probably just took the core from that ball and put a ProV1 cover on it and now they can manufacture 3 balls with some level of interchangeability.
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  • gvogelgvogel Members Posts: 7,163 ✭✭
    BiggErn wrote:


    I’m just spit balling here but I’m thinking that this wasn’t a lot of R&D. They just rebranded the NXT with the “Tour Soft”. Guess that name is more appealing for a surlyn ball. So imo they probably just took the core from that ball and put a ProV1 cover on it and now they can manufacture 3 balls with something me level of interchangeability.




    It might even be a Velocity core.
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  • Sean2Sean2 #TheWRX (Callaway Trip) Members Posts: 30,826 ✭✭
    Looking at the spin chart provided by Golf Digest, the ball sees very close to the ProV1 in spin and launch angle.



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  • Z4ParZ4Par Posts: 439
    edited Apr 25, 2018 #73


    This ball is incorrectly priced. After an initial "rush", demand will quickly fall off and Titleist will re-price to align with the Chrome Soft, which is the only reason the AVX exists.




    I will send you a dozen AVX balls when Titleist drops the price on them to match any other manufacturer. You obviously are unfamiliar with how Titleist price their golf balls.



    The AVX does not perform anything remotely like Chrome Soft so I’m not sure why you think it is supposed to be aligned with that particular ball.




    This times 10! AVX is in a league of its own with what I’ve played. Awesome ball!
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  • This ball is incorrectly priced. After an initial "rush", demand will quickly fall off and Titleist will re-price to align with the Chrome Soft, which is the only reason the AVX exists.




    I will send you a dozen AVX balls when Titleist drops the price on them to match any other manufacturer. You obviously are unfamiliar with how Titleist price their golf balls.



    The AVX does not perform anything remotely like Chrome Soft so I’m not sure why you think it is supposed to be aligned with that particular ball.




    Just out of curiosity, your usual position is that all tour balls perform the same, beyond our abilities to distinguish between. I tend to agree.



    How then, in this case.."does not perform anything remotely like"...
  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 9,763 ✭✭
    TsarBomba wrote:




    This ball is incorrectly priced. After an initial "rush", demand will quickly fall off and Titleist will re-price to align with the Chrome Soft, which is the only reason the AVX exists.




    I will send you a dozen AVX balls when Titleist drops the price on them to match any other manufacturer. You obviously are unfamiliar with how Titleist price their golf balls.



    The AVX does not perform anything remotely like Chrome Soft so I'm not sure why you think it is supposed to be aligned with that particular ball.




    Just out of curiosity, your usual position is that all tour balls perform the same, beyond our abilities to distinguish between. I tend to agree.



    How then, in this case.."does not perform anything remotely like"...


    In my experience (and that of a couple other guys at my club who tried AVX and did *not* like it), this is one of the few balls that is different than the others. Even for my inconsistent and weak game. I agree with Z4Par, it is somewhat in a "league of its own".



    Now as I say, for some people who have tried it that difference was obvious and it was a difference for the worse, not better. But it is not just another ProV1/Chrome Soft/TP5/Z-Star/B330 type "Tour" ball. The trajectory is super-low, it lands hots and runs a mile off driver and fairway woods and it spins noticeably less on partial shots around the green compared to any of the usual "Tour ball" suspects.



    Could I tell the difference in a Chrome Soft and a B330 in a blind test? Maybe I'd be able to guess based on the sounds they make off the driver but for performance probably not. Can I tell the difference in an AVX and a ProV1x? Yes, within a half dozen holes, maybe less.
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  • DevilDogDevilDog Members Posts: 1,811

    TsarBomba wrote:




    This ball is incorrectly priced. After an initial "rush", demand will quickly fall off and Titleist will re-price to align with the Chrome Soft, which is the only reason the AVX exists.




    I will send you a dozen AVX balls when Titleist drops the price on them to match any other manufacturer. You obviously are unfamiliar with how Titleist price their golf balls.



    The AVX does not perform anything remotely like Chrome Soft so I'm not sure why you think it is supposed to be aligned with that particular ball.




    Just out of curiosity, your usual position is that all tour balls perform the same, beyond our abilities to distinguish between. I tend to agree.



    How then, in this case.."does not perform anything remotely like"...


    In my experience (and that of a couple other guys at my club who tried AVX and did *not* like it), this is one of the few balls that is different than the others. Even for my inconsistent and weak game. I agree with Z4Par, it is somewhat in a "league of its own".



    Now as I say, for some people who have tried it that difference was obvious and it was a difference for the worse, not better. But it is not just another ProV1/Chrome Soft/TP5/Z-Star/B330 type "Tour" ball. The trajectory is super-low, it lands hots and runs a mile off driver and fairway woods and it spins noticeably less on partial shots around the green compared to any of the usual "Tour ball" suspects.



    Could I tell the difference in a Chrome Soft and a B330 in a blind test? Maybe I'd be able to guess based on the sounds they make off the driver but for performance probably not. Can I tell the difference in an AVX and a ProV1x? Yes, within a half dozen holes, maybe less.




    This is pretty much what my son said (he's scratch) about the ball. He was given a sleeve by the Titleist club pro at home course. His largest complaint was spin on pitches and chips and next complaint was it was hard to control distance off the iron approaches to the green. He also didn't like the low trajectory but said that wasn't as big a deal as short game.



    All this being said, I'm sure some will love it and more power to them. Play it if you like it just like any other piece of equipment.
  • J13J13 Dad golf Members Posts: 15,263 ✭✭
    Listen the Two guys talking golf golfwrx podcast. They ask about the price of the AVX and the Titleist employee's answer was hilarious as to why it's priced the same as prov1. Pretty embarrassing for the company if you ask me. He also danced around the question on whether or not tour players will use this ball. He knows **** well not 1 tour player would use this knuckle ball.
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  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 9,763 ✭✭
    I can't even count all the times over the past decade or so I've compared two golf balls, especially looking at driver distance. Hole after hole, shot after shot, play my usual ball and some other ball side by side off every tee. A couple of times the comparison ball was noticeably (5-10 yards?) shorter. Here's looking at you, Mr. Precept Laddie X. But with those rare short-ball exceptions it's remarkable how similar the driving distance ends up being over 18 holes. Even when comparing totally different construction balls (let's say a B330 to a Callaway Supersoft) two similar swings result in the ball ending up in a similar place.



    The only two balls I can think of in the past that were seriously longer off the tee were the Titleist Velocity and some sort of Pinnacle rock or another I tried for a round many years ago. In both cases I did decide there was maybe 10 yards to be gained off the tee but both of those balls were totally unacceptable on approach and short-game shots.



    This difference with the AVX off the driver is just ridiculous. I mean every time I've played with someone used to playing with me with my usual ProV1x/B330/Chrome Soft/whatever at some point during the round they asked me what the **** I've done to hit the ball so far off the tee. And while AVX lacks a bit of spin around the green, we're not talking Velocity/Pinnacle zero-spin type performance. It is still a urethane covered ball that's controllable, just doesn't grab quickly and check like a ProV1 or something.



    I sometimes wonder how any ball can be that much longer off the driver for me while still meeting the USGA conformance tests. But maybe it's just some quirk of my swing. I do not, by the way, find it any longer off my irons.
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  • J13J13 Dad golf Members Posts: 15,263 ✭✭


    I can't even count all the times over the past decade or so I've compared two golf balls, especially looking at driver distance. Hole after hole, shot after shot, play my usual ball and some other ball side by side off every tee. A couple of times the comparison ball was noticeably (5-10 yards?) shorter. Here's looking at you, Mr. Precept Laddie X. But with those rare short-ball exceptions it's remarkable how similar the driving distance ends up being over 18 holes. Even when comparing totally different construction balls (let's say a B330 to a Callaway Supersoft) two similar swings result in the ball ending up in a similar place.



    The only two balls I can think of in the past that were seriously longer off the tee were the Titleist Velocity and some sort of Pinnacle rock or another I tried for a round many years ago. In both cases I did decide there was maybe 10 yards to be gained off the tee but both of those balls were totally unacceptable on approach and short-game shots.



    This difference with the AVX off the driver is just ridiculous. I mean every time I've played with someone used to playing with me with my usual ProV1x/B330/Chrome Soft/whatever at some point during the round they asked me what the **** I've done to hit the ball so far off the tee. And while AVX lacks a bit of spin around the green, we're not talking Velocity/Pinnacle zero-spin type performance. It is still a urethane covered ball that's controllable, just doesn't grab quickly and check like a ProV1 or something.



    I sometimes wonder how any ball can be that much longer off the driver for me while still meeting the USGA conformance tests. But maybe it's just some quirk of my swing. I do not, by the way, find it any longer off my irons.




    It just means you're overspinning your driver. Go hit a Kirkland Sig ball you'll see the same thing lol.
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  • Z4ParZ4Par Posts: 439
    J13 wrote:


    I can't even count all the times over the past decade or so I've compared two golf balls, especially looking at driver distance. Hole after hole, shot after shot, play my usual ball and some other ball side by side off every tee. A couple of times the comparison ball was noticeably (5-10 yards?) shorter. Here's looking at you, Mr. Precept Laddie X. But with those rare short-ball exceptions it's remarkable how similar the driving distance ends up being over 18 holes. Even when comparing totally different construction balls (let's say a B330 to a Callaway Supersoft) two similar swings result in the ball ending up in a similar place.



    The only two balls I can think of in the past that were seriously longer off the tee were the Titleist Velocity and some sort of Pinnacle rock or another I tried for a round many years ago. In both cases I did decide there was maybe 10 yards to be gained off the tee but both of those balls were totally unacceptable on approach and short-game shots.



    This difference with the AVX off the driver is just ridiculous. I mean every time I've played with someone used to playing with me with my usual ProV1x/B330/Chrome Soft/whatever at some point during the round they asked me what the **** I've done to hit the ball so far off the tee. And while AVX lacks a bit of spin around the green, we're not talking Velocity/Pinnacle zero-spin type performance. It is still a urethane covered ball that's controllable, just doesn't grab quickly and check like a ProV1 or something.



    I sometimes wonder how any ball can be that much longer off the driver for me while still meeting the USGA conformance tests. But maybe it's just some quirk of my swing. I do not, by the way, find it any longer off my irons.




    It just means you're overspinning your driver. Go hit a Kirkland Sig ball you'll see the same thing lol.




    These are assumptions that the Kirkland Signature would do the same as the AVX for NButte as well as that he overspins his driver. Even if both of your assumptions are true, NButte sees an improvement in his game with the AVX over other balls he has tried. Let the guy be. Your laughing at a guy and you are making unknown assumptions with someone else’s swing/equipment with no concrete evidence to support it. Why not support those that have seen improvement with ball A or B?
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  • LowDimeLowDime Members Posts: 108 ✭✭
    I hope to try some of these out this weekend in a little charity tournament. I am excited about the softer feel and a little decreased spin. I spin the ball pretty hard.
  • IvyguyIvyguy Members Posts: 1,407 ✭✭
    So, really dumb question.



    I work the ball nearly every shot. I play with a small set (8 clubs) so lateral angle means a lot to me.



    Does less spin with this ball mean "straighter"... like less "fade-ier" and "draw-ier"?



    I've always just played pro v balls because they replaced your professionals.



    I like the idea of lower trajectory, it increase my margin of error (for my meager game in my meager experience) . But I cant give up the ability to (try) slide the ball.
  • tbowles411tbowles411 ClubWRX Posts: 25,056 ✭✭
    edited Apr 25, 2018 #83
    Ivyguy wrote:


    So, really dumb question.



    I work the ball nearly every shot. I play with a small set (8 clubs) so lateral angle means a lot to me.



    Does less spin with this ball mean "straighter"... like less "fade-ier" and "draw-ier"?



    I've always just played pro v balls because they replaced your professionals.



    I like the idea of lower trajectory, it increase my margin of error (for my meager game in my meager experience) . But I cant give up the ability to (try) slide the ball.


    You're going to have to work a bit to shape the ball. It may not turn as much as you might like. With the shallower dimples to straighten the flight and lower trajectory, it's going to take a bit of effort, but it will turn. Get a dozen from Lost Golf Balls for $29 and try it. It's a good way to see if you'll like it.
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  • J13J13 Dad golf Members Posts: 15,263 ✭✭
    Z4Par wrote:

    J13 wrote:


    I can't even count all the times over the past decade or so I've compared two golf balls, especially looking at driver distance. Hole after hole, shot after shot, play my usual ball and some other ball side by side off every tee. A couple of times the comparison ball was noticeably (5-10 yards?) shorter. Here's looking at you, Mr. Precept Laddie X. But with those rare short-ball exceptions it's remarkable how similar the driving distance ends up being over 18 holes. Even when comparing totally different construction balls (let's say a B330 to a Callaway Supersoft) two similar swings result in the ball ending up in a similar place.



    The only two balls I can think of in the past that were seriously longer off the tee were the Titleist Velocity and some sort of Pinnacle rock or another I tried for a round many years ago. In both cases I did decide there was maybe 10 yards to be gained off the tee but both of those balls were totally unacceptable on approach and short-game shots.



    This difference with the AVX off the driver is just ridiculous. I mean every time I've played with someone used to playing with me with my usual ProV1x/B330/Chrome Soft/whatever at some point during the round they asked me what the **** I've done to hit the ball so far off the tee. And while AVX lacks a bit of spin around the green, we're not talking Velocity/Pinnacle zero-spin type performance. It is still a urethane covered ball that's controllable, just doesn't grab quickly and check like a ProV1 or something.



    I sometimes wonder how any ball can be that much longer off the driver for me while still meeting the USGA conformance tests. But maybe it's just some quirk of my swing. I do not, by the way, find it any longer off my irons.




    It just means you're overspinning your driver. Go hit a Kirkland Sig ball you'll see the same thing lol.




    These are assumptions that the Kirkland Signature would do the same as the AVX for NButte as well as that he overspins his driver. Even if both of your assumptions are true, NButte sees an improvement in his game with the AVX over other balls he has tried. Let the guy be. Your laughing at a guy and you are making unknown assumptions with someone else’s swing/equipment with no concrete evidence to support it. Why not support those that have seen improvement with ball A or B?




    Not laughing at him i'm laughing at the fact that he thinks the AVX is doing something other then spinning less hence giving him more distance off the tee. There are literally dozens of balls on the market that would do the exact same thing at half the cost. Go listen to the Podcast and here the reason why the AVX cost the same as the Prov1, it's seriously funny.
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  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 9,763 ✭✭
    I can’t speak to “literally dozens” of other balls that may or may not be out there. Just talking about AVX and the other 40 or so brands/type/models that I’ve actually tried over the past decade. Among those, none had the low trajectory and extra runout of AVX while also stopping near their ball mark on midiron approach shots to firm greens.



    But yeah, sure. For all I know there may be other balls 100% as good in both respects as AVX. I’ve just never seen anything close and I’ve tried a LOT of different balls. For my game it is literally beyond anything in my previous experience. Emphasis on “my” and “my”.
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  • BiggErnBiggErn Members Posts: 2,178 ✭✭
    I can’t speak to “literally dozens” of other balls that may or may not be out there. Just talking about AVX and the other 40 or so brands/type/models that I’ve actually tried over the past decade. Among those, none had the low trajectory and extra runout of AVX while also stopping near their ball mark on midiron approach shots to firm greens.



    But yeah, sure. For all I know there may be other balls 100% as good in both respects as AVX. I’ve just never seen anything close and I’ve tried a LOT of different balls. For my game it is literally beyond anything in my previous experience. Emphasis on “my” and “my”.




    Yea. The prov1 and prov1x have differences on paper but real world studies show those differences are minute especially with wedges. One study showed with the a 60* wedge the Prov1 had a 1* lower launch angle and the same peak height as the prov1x. I compare the 2 because the the AVX is a lot like the prov1 with a softer core. I doubt the AVX is night and day different than a Chrome Soft or Duo urethane in a real world study but if it works for you that’s great.
  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 9,763 ✭✭
    I have about 150 rounds with Chrome Soft, 300 or so with ProV1x, maybe 75 or so with ProV1 and now I’m up to nearly 100 with AVX. For my game, I see the difference as I describe it. Nothing more or less to say, just what I see.
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  • MBBGMBBG Members Posts: 1,447 ✭✭
    The AVX uses a different dimple type and cover type than the V1 franchise. The casing layers differ from the Callaway and Wilson designs and the dimple designs again are radically different.



    Lots of first hand experience has been shared across various forms of media that the AVX is a very low spinning, low launching urethane covered ball. That alone makes it pretty unique. Not necessarily better, just unique.



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  • BiggErnBiggErn Members Posts: 2,178 ✭✭
    MBBG wrote:
    The AVX uses a different dimple type and cover type than the V1 franchise. The casing layers differ from the Callaway and Wilson designs and the dimple designs again are radically different.



    Lots of first hand experience has been shared across various forms of media that the AVX is a very low spinning, low launching urethane covered ball. That alone makes it pretty unique. Not necessarily better, just unique.




    How long have you worked at Titleist. Seriously the only thing revolutionary about this ball is the price.
  • MBBGMBBG Members Posts: 1,447 ✭✭
    BiggErn wrote:

    MBBG wrote:
    The AVX uses a different dimple type and cover type than the V1 franchise. The casing layers differ from the Callaway and Wilson designs and the dimple designs again are radically different.



    Lots of first hand experience has been shared across various forms of media that the AVX is a very low spinning, low launching urethane covered ball. That alone makes it pretty unique. Not necessarily better, just unique.




    How long have you worked at Titleist. Seriously the only thing revolutionary about this ball is the price.




    Lol awesome
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  • KonkliferKonklifer Thinkin' of a master plan... location, location.Members Posts: 7,802 ✭✭
    J13 wrote:


    Listen the Two guys talking golf golfwrx podcast. They ask about the price of the AVX and the Titleist employee's answer was hilarious as to why it's priced the same as prov1. Pretty embarrassing for the company if you ask me. He also danced around the question on whether or not tour players will use this ball. He knows **** well not 1 tour player would use this knuckle ball.




    Would you be more specific? Don't feel like listening to 45 minutes of blabber.
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