Putter Swingweight (Rory's is D1)

Thought I would start a separate topic on putter swingweights. If you've weighed retail putters recently, most of them fall into E0 or more. Many 35" putters are E4 or more. Total weights are usually 535+.

Yet we have specs on Rory's new putter, 508 grams and D1. That is a completely different feel. Ive heard Tiger's putter is somewhere in the range of D6, and Fowler's is about the same.

Why do you think retail has been going heavier and heavier? I suspect it's because many amateurs putt better (at least directionally) with heavier putters. I've noticed this myself in stores, only to find that when I get to an actual green my distance control isn't great with the heavier putter.

There's a clip on YouTube where scotty is talking about making Tigers putter back in the day and saying Tiger had to have a D2 swingweight.

One more from when Justin Rose was playing a Spider Blade Proto:

34 5/8 inches

512 grams

D9

So how do you increase swing weight on a putter?

So how do you increase swing weight on a putter?

lead tape or heavier weights.

So how do you increase swing weight on a putter?

 

lead tape or heavier weights.

Or shaft tip weights.

I've noticed that my lag putting is much better with the putter I have that is heavier. However, my short putting is much much better with my lighter putter. Unfortunately I don't have exact weights or a scale so I can't provide much more info.

There's a clip on YouTube where scotty is talking about making Tigers putter back in the day and saying Tiger had to have a D2 swingweight.

Correct. That is where one of the most iconic things in Golf comes from. The Scotty Red Dot.

Scotty needed to lower the swingweight of Tigers putter just the tiniest bit because Tiger has always been incredibly detail conscious and swingweight conscious and wanted it at EXACTLY D-2.

Scotty drilled out the dot and filled it with the closest paint he had laying around....red translucent, and the rest is history.

Even though the Red Dots are now just cosmetic, they started out as a swingweighting trick. A happy accident for Scotty when everyone starting asking for “that putter with the red dot on the back”.

Quick putter question, did not want to start a thread as I am sure y'all will know.

Do companies have the sight lines done during mass production? I am curious since I do not like sight lines if I would have any luck requesting a retail head with no sight marks or is this a small shop custom request only?

Quick putter question, did not want to start a thread as I am sure y'all will know.

 

Do companies have the sight lines done during mass production? I am curious since I do not like sight lines if I would have any luck requesting a retail head with no sight marks or is this a small shop custom request only?

Most are done during production, you won't have much luck with your request. Years ago you could maybe talk PING into doing it, not so much lately.

A happy accident for Scotty when everyone starting asking for “that putter with the red dot on the back”.

Ironically now the putters are ruined by having cherry dots all over every available surface.

But anyway, interesting that Tiger's putter is D2. Fowler's must be similar, it's basically the same putter from what I understand. Scotty gave him an old GSS putter head that was milled specifically for Tiger.

Great topic. When checking out putters at my local PGASS, I asked the repair guys to measure the swingweigh on several putters. They looked at me like I had a third eye or something.

For me, my putting is better when the swingweight is lighter (under D7), as it feels to me like I have to make more of a stroke to get the ball to the hole. When its heavier, I feel like I have to decrease the follow through for fear of running the put several feet past the hole.

Working right now on getting the swingweight of my Tour Black Spider to around D5 from E0. Will try various heavier grips, and/or cut the length by 1/4" or so. Can't really do anything with the weights as it already has the lightest weights they make, 2g each.

Thought I would start a separate topic on putter swingweights. If you've weighed retail putters recently, most of them fall into E0 or more. Many 35" putters are E4 or more. Total weights are usually 535+.

 

Yet we have specs on Rory's new putter, 508 grams and D1. That is a completely different feel. Ive heard Tiger's putter is somewhere in the range of D6, and Fowler's is about the same.

 

 

Why do you think retail has been going heavier and heavier? I suspect it's because many amateurs putt better (at least directionally) with heavier putters. I've noticed this myself in stores, only to find that when I get to an actual green my distance control isn't great with the heavier putter.

To a customer in a store the heavier weight feels more "stable" and it increases sales. (my opinion)

Thought I would start a separate topic on putter swingweights. If you've weighed retail putters recently, most of them fall into E0 or more. Many 35" putters are E4 or more. Total weights are usually 535+.

 

Yet we have specs on Rory's new putter, 508 grams and D1. That is a completely different feel. Ive heard Tiger's putter is somewhere in the range of D6, and Fowler's is about the same.

 

 

Why do you think retail has been going heavier and heavier? I suspect it's because many amateurs putt better (at least directionally) with heavier putters. I've noticed this myself in stores, only to find that when I get to an actual green my distance control isn't great with the heavier putter.

IMO, since you take such a small swing with a putter, total weight is much more important than swing weight.

I weighed a couple of my putters, and they were around 520G at 35, I generally think they feel heavier than I would like. Pulled out two old putters, one a mid 80's Anser2 and the other the original Rossi 2. The Rossi might have been one of the best putters I had. Ping and the Rossi came in around 480G. at 35. Time to build a putter 500 or less total weight.

Quick putter question, did not want to start a thread as I am sure y'all will know.

 

Do companies have the sight lines done during mass production? I am curious since I do not like sight lines if I would have any luck requesting a retail head with no sight marks or is this a small shop custom request only?

So how do you increase swing weight on a putter?

 

lead tape or heavier weights.

 

Or shaft tip weights.

Clubfitter can add tungsten/lead powder in the shaft.

Thought I would start a separate topic on putter swingweights. If you've weighed retail putters recently, most of them fall into E0 or more. Many 35" putters are E4 or more. Total weights are usually 535+.

 

Yet we have specs on Rory's new putter, 508 grams and D1. That is a completely different feel. Ive heard Tiger's putter is somewhere in the range of D6, and Fowler's is about the same.

 

 

Why do you think retail has been going heavier and heavier? I suspect it's because many amateurs putt better (at least directionally) with heavier putters. I've noticed this myself in stores, only to find that when I get to an actual green my distance control isn't great with the heavier putter.

IMO, since you take such a small swing with a putter, total weight is much more important than swing weight.

Was about to say the same thing, total weight is more important than swingweight. There are so many ways to counterweight a heavy head to make it feel lighter and most putters come with weights in the head. I think most people like a heavier putter for the stability, at least i do. My old school Ping Anser weighs 475; my Odyssey Oworks 2Ball with lead tape weighs 540 grams (originally I think it was 525 grams).

My newport 2 select at 35 inches is stock d8, which is kind of high imo.

Just as a comparison, Guerin Rife of Evnroll (formerly Rife) thinks D7 is the "sweetspot" for putter swingweight and increases the weight of the heads of his putters as they get shorter so they all measure D7 regardless of length.

Just as a comparison, Guerin Rife of Evnroll (formerly Rife) thinks D7 is the "sweetspot" for putter swingweight and increases the weight of the heads of his putters as they get shorter so they all measure D7 regardless of length.

Good point. I think he also uses back weighting for a slight counter-balance effect. His stock grips weigh something like 110-115 grams. Probably works for lots of amateurs, but it seemed like counter-balancing never really took off on tour.

I just purchased a 35” inch€ Ping Sigma G Kushin (360g head weight) with the PP60 grip. I put it on my SW scale and it came out to E9! This is by far the heaviest SW that I have found on a stock putter. Has anyone ever putted with something with this heavy of a SW? Good/bad?

I just purchased a 35" inch€ Ping Sigma G Kushin (360g head weight) with the PP60 grip. I put it on my SW scale and it came out to E9! This is by far the heaviest SW that I have found on a stock putter. Has anyone ever putted with something with this heavy of a SW? Good/bad?

Some of these newer putters with light grips and heavy heads come out with really high SWs. Some people seem to really like it. Personally I don't care for it - messes with my distance control.

I think an open discussion on this topic is a great read. With "feel" being such an intensely personal factor, I believe that the only true way to find your perfect weight is to try as many putters as you can and keep track in some way. What works for one guy may very well not work for the next guy, even if they are same height, weight and stroke path.

This discussion is a great way to get input from a ton of different players with personal input from experience. If a person can draw a little bit from each one that you can relate to, you may be able to cut out some trial and error.

Keep the info coming, it is priceless to a guy searching for that next perfect wand.

LaMont in AZ

After doing a putter fitting and trying many different brands. I don’t know about swing weight but a head weight 340-345 works best for me. Heavier causes distance control issues for me and I don’t feel like I make a smooth swing. Putter length of 33.5” with that head weight and ping man grip.... I’m happy.

> @03trdblack said:

> Just as a comparison, Guerin Rife of Evnroll (formerly Rife) thinks D7 is the "sweetspot" for putter swingweight and increases the weight of the heads of his putters as they get shorter so they all measure D7 regardless of length.

Thought I would update this old thread since Guerin seems to have gone heavier in his newer stuff. At 35 inches the new 1.2 is D9, and the mallets are E4. Even the 33" and 34" in the mallets are E1.

> @nova6868 said:

> > @03trdblack said:

> > Just as a comparison, Guerin Rife of Evnroll (formerly Rife) thinks D7 is the "sweetspot" for putter swingweight and increases the weight of the heads of his putters as they get shorter so they all measure D7 regardless of length.

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> Thought I would update this old thread since Guerin seems to have gone heavier in his newer stuff. At 35 inches the new 1.2 is D9, and the mallets are E4. Even the 33" and 34" in the mallets are E1.

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Is this extra weight to allow for those new Gravity Grips since they are so heavy at 120 grams?

> @03trdblack said:

> > @nova6868 said:

> > > @03trdblack said:

> > > Just as a comparison, Guerin Rife of Evnroll (formerly Rife) thinks D7 is the "sweetspot" for putter swingweight and increases the weight of the heads of his putters as they get shorter so they all measure D7 regardless of length.

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> > Thought I would update this old thread since Guerin seems to have gone heavier in his newer stuff. At 35 inches the new 1.2 is D9, and the mallets are E4. Even the 33" and 34" in the mallets are E1.

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> Is this extra weight to allow for those new Gravity Grips since they are so heavy at 120 grams?

I'm not sure, I was just listing the advertised swing weights from their website.

Another interesting list is the recent *** test - the tested putters measured all over the place, everything from C4 to F9.

My SC red x5 orig sw D5 @ 34, w SC red matador 80g grip. Fwiw I trimmed it to 33.75, w a rubber ping grip 60g. SW @ D4. Bingo in a lot of ways

Can't keep track or all Rory's putters, might be E5 now.......