Don't Bump

NikeGolferTXNikeGolferTX Members Posts: 317 ✭✭
This is something I completely agree with. Low lead hip and no bumping.



From George Gankas:



First off this post isn’t directed towards any player or any coach out there so let that be known. I’ve bumped my hips in transition most my life and I got pretty good at golf. There’s so many great players who have some form of a bump in transition but is that the reason they are good at golf ? I’d love to see how different really good players would have been if they had different lower body transitions, would they have been better ball strikers than they are now.? We will never know. I do like pressure to shift forward in transition just not as much body mass as most like but lead side of pelvis lower in transition will do this without having to push off trail leg in transition. This allows us to open up and not stall out through impact also leading to more torque and vertical forces . Most of us have to push off trail leg in transition because of set up or to much pressure gets shifted to backside in backswing, which can work if done with the right matchups in transition. There’s lots of matchups that work and we see some really cool ones on tour that we wouldn’t ask our own players to try but they still work. There is no right or wrong way but there is definitely more efficient ways we can do things. Remember all that matters in ball-striking is solid contact, distance control and missing on correct sides of pins also known as controlling curve, speed is always a bonus.



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  • glkglk send it in jerome Members Posts: 3,291 ✭✭
    Baseball pitchers and batter all bump. But I've not seen a javelin thrower bump.
  • airjammerairjammer Members Posts: 980 ✭✭
    Regardless of what he says..it seems to be a dig at athletic motion golf. Because everything they put out on instagram is a direct contradiction to what he wants you to “feel”. With all the modern technology we have (3d, force plates, etc) we really know now what the best players in the world are actually doing and when they do it. Now the question is what should they be doing?🤔
  • Fort Worth ProFort Worth Pro Members Posts: 2,774 ✭✭
    edited Apr 10, 2018 #4
    It's a shot at AMG but it's an uneducated shot. There is a difference in lateral motion and a "bump". Body absolutely moves laterally and it does it without the lower running out from under it while keeping the left hip low in transition. He is fighting a straw man if his own creation.
  • NikeGolferTXNikeGolferTX Members Posts: 317 ✭✭
    edited Apr 10, 2018 #5
    The only thing I disagree with with GG is kicking the pelvis forward and pushing with the back leg after making the initial pivot (turn) in order to move the low point forward.



    I believe its more of a fall forward as does Athletic motion golf and then plow through impact by driving the chest forward.



    But hes dead on when it comes to keeping the lower body under you.

    9 out of 10 times you tell someone to bump...they will slide and get locked up.



  • glkglk send it in jerome Members Posts: 3,291 ✭✭
    I had an email conversation with Tyler about the push/fall and what his take on this was.



    Here is his reply.



    +Guy K For me it's more semantics. Sasho did some research on this and found the pressure at left arm parallel had the highest correlation to ball speed of any of the ground reaction parameters. However, While 70+% of the pressure needs to be on the lead foot, you also want to have a relatively constant pressure on the trail foot through that phase. The key is that it's not an explosive push of the trail foot, it's a push like taking a step. Some people have trouble with that idea and do better with the fall concept. But, when some people "fall" they do it more from the upper body lunge. You can still create speed that way but will struggle with AOA and flat spot if you do.
  • NikeGolferTXNikeGolferTX Members Posts: 317 ✭✭
    glk wrote:


    I had an email conversation with Tyler about the push/fall and what his take on this was.



    Here is his reply.



    +Guy K For me it's more semantics. Sasho did some research on this and found the pressure at left arm parallel had the highest correlation to ball speed of any of the ground reaction parameters. However, While 70+% of the pressure needs to be on the lead foot, you also want to have a relatively constant pressure on the trail foot through that phase. The key is that it's not an explosive push of the trail foot, it's a push like taking a step. Some people have trouble with that idea and do better with the fall concept. But, when some people "fall" they do it more from the upper body lunge. You can still create speed that way but will struggle with AOA and flat spot if you do.
    I think the best way to feel it is to get to the top of the backswing put weight on your lead foot and pick it up off the ground and you will automatically move forward. That's basically what it feels like.
  • MadGolfer76MadGolfer76 Admiration is the state furthest from understanding. Members Posts: 19,850 ✭✭
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  • jslane57jslane57 Members Posts: 3,929 ✭✭
    That's an entertaining video for sure. I hope my finish is more solid than hopping over a foam roller:)
  • mudgemudge Members Posts: 223 ✭✭


    It's a shot at AMG but it's an uneducated shot. There is a difference in lateral motion and a "bump". Body absolutely moves laterally and it does it without the lower running out from under it while keeping the left hip low in transition. He is fighting a straw man if his own creation.




    What's the difference between a lateral move a la AMG and the bump shown by GG?
  • Fort Worth ProFort Worth Pro Members Posts: 2,774 ✭✭
    mudge wrote:



    It's a shot at AMG but it's an uneducated shot. There is a difference in lateral motion and a "bump". Body absolutely moves laterally and it does it without the lower running out from under it while keeping the left hip low in transition. He is fighting a straw man if his own creation.




    What's the difference between a lateral move a la AMG and the bump shown by GG?




    In a correct lateral move the center of the rib cage is in front of the center of the pelvis until just after lead arm parallel and the left hip stays below the rightnuntil the hands are hip high. That all happens while the entire body shifts forward about 3-4 inches.
  • BottleCapBottleCap Members Posts: 1,269 ✭✭
    So is this no good for George Gankas?



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  • MonteScheinblumMonteScheinblum Rebellion Golf Sponsors Posts: 18,186 ✭✭
    That video isn’t promoting a bump per se.



    It’s a video on sequencing and using my understanding of pressure shift at the time.
  • Quick BucketQuick Bucket Members Posts: 191

    mudge wrote:



    It's a shot at AMG but it's an uneducated shot. There is a difference in lateral motion and a "bump". Body absolutely moves laterally and it does it without the lower running out from under it while keeping the left hip low in transition. He is fighting a straw man if his own creation.




    What's the difference between a lateral move a la AMG and the bump shown by GG?




    In a correct lateral move the center of the rib cage is in front of the center of the pelvis until just after lead arm parallel and the left hip stays below the rightnuntil the hands are hip high. That all happens while the entire body shifts forward about 3-4 inches.




    There is more than one way to move, none being more "correct" than the other.
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    man i work on this feel to rotate more, sqamdow sqoushie
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  • juststevejuststeve Members Posts: 4,705 ✭✭
    If you advocate a deliberate bump answer these questions:



    1. When?;



    2. How much?



    3. How fast?



    4. Are the answers the same for every club and every shot, full out driver to half wedge and if not go back and answers questions 1, 2, and 3 for every club and every shot.



    An athlete doesn't need to direct his body. Swing the club and the body will move in a way to permit the club to be swung.



    Steve.
  • Fort Worth ProFort Worth Pro Members Posts: 2,774 ✭✭


    mudge wrote:



    It's a shot at AMG but it's an uneducated shot. There is a difference in lateral motion and a "bump". Body absolutely moves laterally and it does it without the lower running out from under it while keeping the left hip low in transition. He is fighting a straw man if his own creation.




    What's the difference between a lateral move a la AMG and the bump shown by GG?




    In a correct lateral move the center of the rib cage is in front of the center of the pelvis until just after lead arm parallel and the left hip stays below the rightnuntil the hands are hip high. That all happens while the entire body shifts forward about 3-4 inches.




    There is more than one way to move, none being more "correct" than the other.




    By correct I mean what good tour players do. Every tour player moves laterally before they rotate
  • jut111jut111 Members Posts: 1,597 ✭✭
    edited Apr 10, 2018 #18
    Is the confusion just based on what "bump implies"? To me bump implies moving the lower half towards the target i.e. increasing or adding secondary tilt. The AMG guys show pretty clearly that upper and lower move laterally towards target in late backswing/transition.



    GG seems to be attacking the former, which AMG never endorsed.
  • mudgemudge Members Posts: 223 ✭✭
    Did GG post that due to some IG beef or t**-for-tat with AMG?
  • finleysgfinleysg MinnesotaMembers Posts: 1,235 ✭✭
    Like many others, I imagine, my "understanding" of bump turned into a massive slide. Really hard to fix that move once it is ingrained.
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  • johnrobisonjohnrobison In endless pursuit of P6 Members Posts: 737 ✭✭
    I see plenty of bumping in FO video of his own students. Maybe they don't feel like they are, but they are.
  • PJ1120PJ1120 Members Posts: 686 ✭✭
    Do both Gg and AMG promote a push of the trail foot just disagree on when it's done?
  • Fort Worth ProFort Worth Pro Members Posts: 2,774 ✭✭
    mudge wrote:


    Did GG post that due to some IG beef or t**-for-tat with AMG?


    Can't speak to what his motives are. I know Shaun started posting videos showing examples of the concepts they teach in response to questions from students and others. When he did he was quickly bombarded. I think GG makes it pretty obvious this is about AMG when he emphasizes "athletic motion" in his video.
  • DonMega884DonMega884 Callawaychrome Members Posts: 569
    Just hit the ball!
  • BottleCapBottleCap Members Posts: 1,269 ✭✭
    AMG just takes measurements on a small sample of players.



    George Gankas has his own swing that he teaches and he shouldn't pay attention to what AMG is saying, he should just keep doing his thing since it works for him.



    There is more than one golf swing out there.
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  • BottleCapBottleCap Members Posts: 1,269 ✭✭
    Interesting, this is another George Gankas signature that AMG is covering



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  • LlortamaiseyLlortamaisey Members Posts: 5,881 ✭✭
    Feel is not real.
  • Fort Worth ProFort Worth Pro Members Posts: 2,774 ✭✭
    BottleCap wrote:


    Interesting, this is another George Gankas signature that AMG is covering



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    Before it was gankas it was kelvin and Lucas pushing dual ER in the legs. Dana also talks somewhat about that, and people have for YEARS talked about the "Snead squat".



  • Petunia SprinklePetunia Sprinkle Future King of France Members Posts: 5,355 ✭✭
    Thinking about your lower body is like letting your cat do your taxes.
  • BottleCapBottleCap Members Posts: 1,269 ✭✭
    I wonder if this is the one that George Gankas is upset about



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  • mudgemudge Members Posts: 223 ✭✭
    BottleCap wrote:


    I wonder if this is the one that George Gankas is upset about



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    When I first watched that video I thought they may have been alluding to GG's move.
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