I need help with Putting.....

kgeorge78kgeorge78 Members Posts: 7,792 ✭✭
Ive got most of the other parts of my game figured out except my putting. Could have had the best round of my life just the second time out this year if I could putt.



Here's the Deal:



When I Think I am aimed straight at hole, I am actually Aimed WAY left. I end up missing all putts right. I never Pull a putt always push.



This happens regardless of equipment. When I aim straight at hole, I feel like I have to bring the putter way outside / in or I will push it right even more.



I discovered when I get my hands higher and have the toe more down than up my aim improves a bit.



My putting stroke is ok and I used to be really a good putter but now I don't even know how to aim. I almost feel like my putter is like a draw swing - take it back inside and just push it right.







Looking for somebody to make sense of it and maybe explain why I am aimed so far left when I think I'm straight.



I tried some difference putters today and straight necks helped me line up straighter.

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  • YrrdeadYrrdead Better Living Through Chemistry Members Posts: 1,613 ✭✭
    So get a buddy and work on your aim.



    Pick a target

    Set up to it

    Have aim checked

    Adjust as necessary

    Putt



    Rinse and repeat, it might take a bit to recalibrate your aim.
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  • CSaganCSagan Members Posts: 1,014 ✭✭
    Get a putting mirror/ chalkline do some drills work on square face and start line. Use that for practice.



    Then when not working on mechanics and actually playing, put like Brad below.



  • MadGolfer76MadGolfer76 Admiration is the state furthest from understanding. Members Posts: 19,892 ✭✭
    Best thing to do is get with a teacher and take a few lessons.



    I used to have a similar problem, and I cured it by throwing down a big legal text on the floor and railing the edge of it with the heel of my putter. (It was better than actually reading the thing!)
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  • haroleaseharolease Members Posts: 612 ✭✭
    Anytime I read a putt that go that way I will use line on the ball and face the hole and trust the line.
  • otto6457otto6457 Members Posts: 592 ✭✭
    A gate trainer may help you but it sounds like you might have a visual issue. Have you tried putting a line on your ball and aiming from behind the ball directly down the target line, then setting your putter square to that line no matter what your eyes tell when you step up to putt? Does moving your eyes from inside the line, to over the ball, to outside of the line make a big difference in how you see the target line? Many people see a big difference, some not so much. It would probably be beneficial to see a putting coach or maybe book a session on a Sam Putt Lab or a Quintic near you.
  • odshot68odshot68 Members Posts: 7,860 ✭✭
    Find a better eyedoc KG!

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  • kgeorge78kgeorge78 Members Posts: 7,792 ✭✭
    odshot68 wrote:


    Find a better eyedoc KG!




    haha you offer mobile service?

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  • jgonz69jgonz69 Members Posts: 752 ✭✭
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  • George1174George1174 Members Posts: 202
    Even with the line on the ball you should use an intermediate target 4-6 inches in front of the ball and move your putter over that target after impact.
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  • vanillafunk616vanillafunk616 Members Posts: 552 ✭✭
    Phil uses a light laser thing to practice face alignment. I'd look into that. Also the design of the putter, especially the offset, can affect your alignment. So look into fitting.
  • kgeorge78kgeorge78 Members Posts: 7,792 ✭✭
    jgonz69 wrote:




    that looks pretty cool. Did you try one?

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  • kgeorge78kgeorge78 Members Posts: 7,792 ✭✭
    http://laserputt.com/



    has anyone ever used that?

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  • jgonz69jgonz69 Members Posts: 752 ✭✭
    kgeorge78 wrote:

    jgonz69 wrote:




    that looks pretty cool. Did you try one?
    tried the pelz putting tutor, the plates look better to me. Thet are on order.
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  • kgeorge78kgeorge78 Members Posts: 7,792 ✭✭
    ya im still horrible

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  • kgeorge78kgeorge78 Members Posts: 7,792 ✭✭
    ok ive been really working hard on putting. Changed my setup a bit and switch to a mallet Futura 5W. now I feel like I can't miss. Golf is a funny sport.

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  • Alpha3Alpha3 Members Posts: 704 ✭✭
    Same thing here! In a tournament yesterday my partner said I aimed 1’/2’ left consistently on 10’ putts and it got worse the longer the putt. I did unconsciously self correct some In the forward stroke. When he lined me up I thought I was well right of the target but could putt well. I have heard this before tried many tips and putters with limited success. My eyes are over the ball, never thought about moving my eyes outside or inside the line. Must be a vision thing.
  • kgeorge78kgeorge78 Members Posts: 7,792 ✭✭
    back to being horrible again

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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day.... Members Posts: 25,935 ✭✭
    LOl.. i have the same issue ... and even worse i am now flipping the face and pulling some left... Its causing me to not even want to play... Supposed to play 18 this afternoon.. and im actually relieved its raining ... Pretty depressed currently ... Only hobby i have outside of kids sports .. I have a practice green outside my work , so i literally putt at very least an hour a day . I am to the point i cant make a 10 footer on a putt i can read in the dark . Once you lose confidence its very hard to get back. Ive been this bad before and got out of it going left hand low. That doesnt help this time. So im at a loss
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  • DoppelgangerDoppelganger Members Posts: 834
    kgeorge78 wrote:


    Ive got most of the other parts of my game figured out except my putting. Could have had the best round of my life just the second time out this year if I could putt.



    Here's the Deal:



    When I Think I am aimed straight at hole, I am actually Aimed WAY left. I end up missing all putts right. I never Pull a putt always push.



    This happens regardless of equipment. When I aim straight at hole, I feel like I have to bring the putter way outside / in or I will push it right even more.



    I discovered when I get my hands higher and have the toe more down than up my aim improves a bit.



    My putting stroke is ok and I used to be really a good putter but now I don't even know how to aim. I almost feel like my putter is like a draw swing - take it back inside and just push it right.







    Looking for somebody to make sense of it and maybe explain why I am aimed so far left when I think I'm straight.



    I tried some difference putters today and straight necks helped me line up straighter.




    Flatstick Academy... Can't recommend that site enough.



    So for the aiming problem I had a similar deal. I have a lazy eye and wear a contact in it so I can see okay but depth perception is lacking I feel like. With that said I am very right eye dominant and I have to take that into account when I'm putting. Flatstick has a few videos on exactly that issue that were extremely helpful in my SEEING the line. Learn the vectors your neck and head can move on, then set up to the ball using his "pencil drill" and adjust until the pencil looks like it's pointing at the hole to you.



    It's pretty neat. The pencil drill is very revealing.
  • me05501me05501 Members Posts: 412
    kgeorge78 wrote:


    Ive got most of the other parts of my game figured out except my putting. Could have had the best round of my life just the second time out this year if I could putt.



    Here's the Deal:



    When I Think I am aimed straight at hole, I am actually Aimed WAY left. I end up missing all putts right. I never Pull a putt always push.



    This happens regardless of equipment. When I aim straight at hole, I feel like I have to bring the putter way outside / in or I will push it right even more.



    I discovered when I get my hands higher and have the toe more down than up my aim improves a bit.



    My putting stroke is ok and I used to be really a good putter but now I don't even know how to aim. I almost feel like my putter is like a draw swing - take it back inside and just push it right.







    Looking for somebody to make sense of it and maybe explain why I am aimed so far left when I think I'm straight.



    I tried some difference putters today and straight necks helped me line up straighter.






    I just had a good putting lesson, and the part in bold was essential to me. When my eyes are over the ball, it feels like my hands are higher and the toe is soled. The pro showed me that the putter is actually soled correctly in that position, whereas my old position soled the putter on the heel with the toe slightly up.



    Getting your eyes over the ball solves many issues. Do whatever you need to do to make that your habit.
  • garethwgarethw Members Posts: 356 ✭✭
    Do you wear glasses and have you recently had a change of lenses or frames?



    I replaced my glasses last October and shortly after then broke my leg. When I started playing again I had issues putting, just completely inconsistent, difficulty judging distance and so many 3 putts. Last week I switched back to my previous Rx and its literally night and day, I've gone from 42 + putts down to 32 - 35 the last few rounds.



    My "new" frames and lenses were to small for my progressive Rx to be made correctly.
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  • smeal818smeal818 Members Posts: 146 ✭✭
    You mentioned that straight-necks helped your alignment, I'd encourage you to try different grip styles and sizes. For example, I went from a standard putter grip to a SS 3.0 Slim and have dropped 5-6 strokes per round without any stroke adjustments.
  • Birdie MacBirdie Mac Members Posts: 496 ✭✭
    Funny game, golf. My driver used to be my best club, and my putter was indifferent. Now the opposite is true. My instructor showed me that if I'm not aligned correctly, my body will make all sorts of adjustments to find the target, which usually doesn't end up well.



    Before you address the ball, be sure you stand behind the ball, find the line to the target, and an intermediate target along that line to roll the ball over. Trust that line even if it doesn't look right when you address the ball. Rather than swinging the club with my arms, I rock my shoulders like a pendulum to make contact with the ball, and let my arms come along for the ride. Works for me.
  • FullOfBrushManFullOfBrushMan Members Posts: 666 ✭✭
    edited May 16, 2018 #25
    Have you gotten your vision checked recently?

    Have you ever taken putting lessons from a well known professional?

    Are you custom fitted for your putter?



    My guess is. No, once or twice, no.



    The amount of advice on here will do more harm than good. Odds are your vision needs to be checked then followed by a lengthy lesson on the correct setup/stroke with a change of your current putter spec wise to fit this.



    Tomorrow I'm having my annual refresher putting lesson with a respec on my current gamer of 3 years as it feels off. Wasting money on new putter even though it's absolutely necessary seems to be a theme on here ...
  • vsabrevsabre ClubWRX Posts: 222 ClubWRX


    LOl.. i have the same issue ... and even worse i am now flipping the face and pulling some left... Its causing me to not even want to play... Supposed to play 18 this afternoon.. and im actually relieved its raining ... Pretty depressed currently ... Only hobby i have outside of kids sports .. I have a practice green outside my work , so i literally putt at very least an hour a day . I am to the point i cant make a 10 footer on a putt i can read in the dark . Once you lose confidence its very hard to get back. Ive been this bad before and got out of it going left hand low. That doesnt help this time. So im at a loss




    If its any consolation I'm in the same boat....alot. Gaps in playing/practice time over the years have brought on some nasty swing and putting tendencies. I've worked through the swing and short game stuff pretty well but putting has eluded me. Closet full of Scottys and an assorted Ping/Odyssey, left-hand low, pencil, claw, etc. and no real confidence on the greens. Just need to stick to a putter, a method and repetition to get the mojo back...
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  • DFinchDFinch Members Posts: 1,374 ✭✭
    Set up a 10’ putt (can be on your carpet). Put a marker 6” in front of a golf ball. Adjust until they are lined up perfectly straight.



    Have someone cover the marker and line up to the hole for a straight putt. Uncover the marker and see if you are lined up. You probably aren’t.



    Move your head forward or backward until your eyes see a straight line from ball to marker to hole.



    That’s the head position and eyeline you need to drill into until it’s ingrained. Get into your stance with your eyes first, then address with putter. Practice this until you can set up naturally and consistently see the straight line.



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  • BNGLBNGL Members Posts: 1,608 ✭✭
    Get a yard stick from the store, metal ones are great because of their lower profile. Lay it on the ground and setup a ball on it and stroke putts down that stick. I take it a step further and hit three footers, then I'll find breaking putts and line up at the apex.



    That's the cheap way, the better way is to buy a pelz putting tutor. That'll help with alignment real quick
  • icemakricemakr Charter Members Posts: 523 ✭✭
    https://eyelinegolf.com/products/putting-alignment-mirror



    Terrific putting aid



    Bobby Grace (probably others) makes a putter with

    a site line on the leading edge and the cavity. When the two

    lines look connected, your eyes are directly over the ball.



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  • kgeorge78kgeorge78 Members Posts: 7,792 ✭✭
    wow. I figured it out.



    I need to keep the back of my left hand faced at the target. Makes it almost impossible to manipulated my hands and hurts a bit but I'm finally putting a true roll on the ball.



    Had the best putting performance of my life this morning.

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  • p3gap3ga Members Posts: 647 ✭✭
    KGeorge, happy you got it figured out. But if I see you post about developing a case of tendonitis in the left arm, might need to re-think things.......
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