What swing weight have yall seen in the stock M4? Where have you added lead tape?

sociedsocied GameCocks2011Posts: 1,228 ✭✭
edited May 22, 2018 in WRX Club Techs #1
As the title state, what swing weights have yall seen with the stock M4? I know the head is lighter than most at around 190-195 grams compared to 200-205 or what not.



I haven't gotten the SW of mine yet, but will soon. It seems extremely light, therefore I was going to add some lead tape but I haven't decided where. Where have yall?



To add - I am playing a HZRDUS Yellow and it is cut down to 44.5

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  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 9,764 ✭✭
    I have an off-the-rack M4 with the "R" flex Atmos shaft. By my scale I get just a hair over D3 swingweight.



    That's with the original stock grip installed. I'm guessing it would drop slightly with a normal-weight grip. The one that comes on there is like 47g instead of the usual 51-52g.
    Everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses.
  • sociedsocied GameCocks2011 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭
    Interesting about the grip. Yeah I swapped the grip out for a GP tour velvet. I should add that I am playing a HZRDUS Yellow and it is cut down to 44.5
  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 9,764 ✭✭
    The Tour Velvet will probably add about 4g or so to the overall weight and reduce the swingweight by one point or a bit less, compared to the factory standard grip.



    The M4 is overall going to be light no matter what the swingweight works out to. As you said, the head itself is very light.



    Most of my drivers with mid-50's weight shafts and normal grips tend to be 310-315g overall weight. Can't remember exactly but my M4 is more like 302g or 304g, something like that. Not quite what I'd call ultralight but it's light.



    If I didn't hit the thing so straight and so far I'd swap out the weight plug in the head and try to get up over 310g...but for now i don't want to mess with a good thing!
    Everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses.
  • evoviiiyouevoviiiyou evoviiiyou Members Posts: 1,987 ✭✭
    edited May 22, 2018 #5
    I just got a custom order made from TM after a recent fitting tent session locally. I went with the 12* M4 turned down to 10.5* so it sits 3* open with the Atmos Red 5S minus 1" for playing length of 44.75" with a standard GP Tour Wrap Blk (50gram grip). Of course, I knew it would come in lighter than the D3 that I wanted (my estimates were C8-9). It was exactly C9 minus this one inch. So I ordered the Billy Bobs 10gram replacement weight which comes with the torx tool bit to change the stock weight out and add the new 10gram weight. After the install which took 3.5 seconds, back on the swing scale it was and she sat at a perfect D3 with the BB 10gram weight at 44.75". No lead tape, clean, and a little blue lock tight and tighten and not too much tension on the **** down to avoid stripping and I am done! Check this out if you don't want lead tape.



    https://www.billybob...productid=18392

    Mizuno ST190 10.5/ Fuji Speeder TR 661S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    Mizuno ST190TS 15/ Fuji Speeder TR 757S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    Mizuno JPX FliHi 19/ Modus 130S/ PURE Wrap WHT
    Mizuno JPX 919F 4-9/ Nippon SPO S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    Mizuno JPX 919T PW/ Nippon SPO S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    Mizuno S18 Wedges 50&56/ Modus 120S/ PURE Wrap BLK
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  • BubbtubbsBubbtubbs Members Posts: 389 ✭✭
    Out of curiosity, why not get a club that already has the swing weight you want?



    I wouldn't even put highlighter or margin notes in any of my textbooks back in the day, let alone have stuff stick to my clubs (whether I see it or not) so just wondering about the thought process.
  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 9,764 ✭✭
    I doubt very much that you can custom-order an M4 from Taylormade and specify swingweight. But I may be wrong, I've never actually asked. Most OEM's just let swingweight fall where it will on custom-shaft, custom-length driver orders.
    Everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses.
  • TommyjTommyj Members Posts: 337 ✭✭
    Bubbtubbs wrote:


    Out of curiosity, why not get a club that already has the swing weight you want?



    I wouldn't even put highlighter or margin notes in any of my textbooks back in the day, let alone have stuff stick to my clubs (whether I see it or not) so just wondering about the thought process.




    Because TM are a bunch of morons who refuse to build a diver to a certain SW if you want something with a shorter shaft. Ping can do it, Titleist and Callaway as well. But its just too much bother for TM.
  • evoviiiyouevoviiiyou evoviiiyou Members Posts: 1,987 ✭✭


    I doubt very much that you can custom-order an M4 from Taylormade and specify swingweight. But I may be wrong, I've never actually asked. Most OEM's just let swingweight fall where it will on custom-shaft, custom-length driver orders.




    This is exactly truth.

    Mizuno ST190 10.5/ Fuji Speeder TR 661S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    Mizuno ST190TS 15/ Fuji Speeder TR 757S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    Mizuno JPX FliHi 19/ Modus 130S/ PURE Wrap WHT
    Mizuno JPX 919F 4-9/ Nippon SPO S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    Mizuno JPX 919T PW/ Nippon SPO S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    Mizuno S18 Wedges 50&56/ Modus 120S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    SeeMore M1B 31" CS/ Conti Golf Satin Black Shaft/ SS Slim 3.0 CC

  • sociedsocied GameCocks2011 Posts: 1,228 ✭✭
    Bubbtubbs wrote:


    Out of curiosity, why not get a club that already has the swing weight you want?



    I wouldn't even put highlighter or margin notes in any of my textbooks back in the day, let alone have stuff stick to my clubs (whether I see it or not) so just wondering about the thought process.




    Yeah, I have gone down that route a few times, not with TM actually and they never come in with what you order. I am just a small fish in a big pond ahaha.



    Also, this M4 was a freebie from my company, so I didn't care about the specs.

    evoviiiyou wrote:


    I just got a custom order made from TM after a recent fitting tent session locally. I went with the 12* M4 turned down to 10.5* so it sits 3* open with the Atmos Red 5S minus 1" for playing length of 44.75" with a standard GP Tour Wrap Blk (50gram grip). Of course, I knew it would come in lighter than the D3 that I wanted (my estimates were C8-9). It was exactly C9 minus this one inch. So I ordered the Billy Bobs 10gram replacement weight which comes with the torx tool bit to change the stock weight out and add the new 10gram weight. After the install which took 3.5 seconds, back on the swing scale it was and she sat at a perfect D3 with the BB 10gram weight at 44.75". No lead tape, clean, and a little blue lock tight and tighten and not too much tension on the **** down to avoid stripping and I am done! Check this out if you don't want lead tape.



    https://www.billybob...productid=18392




    woah, didn't even htink about this. Ill will get my SW then order one of these!!



    Thanks
  • Hammer22Hammer22 Members Posts: 424 ✭✭
    socied wrote:


    woah, didn't even htink about this. Ill will get my SW then order one of these!!



    Thanks




    It's the exact same process as with the M2...



    http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1466840-taylormade-2017-m2-head-weight/
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  • evoviiiyouevoviiiyou evoviiiyou Members Posts: 1,987 ✭✭
    socied wrote:

    Bubbtubbs wrote:


    Out of curiosity, why not get a club that already has the swing weight you want?



    I wouldn't even put highlighter or margin notes in any of my textbooks back in the day, let alone have stuff stick to my clubs (whether I see it or not) so just wondering about the thought process.




    Yeah, I have gone down that route a few times, not with TM actually and they never come in with what you order. I am just a small fish in a big pond ahaha.



    Also, this M4 was a freebie from my company, so I didn't care about the specs.


    evoviiiyou wrote:


    I just got a custom order made from TM after a recent fitting tent session locally. I went with the 12* M4 turned down to 10.5* so it sits 3* open with the Atmos Red 5S minus 1" for playing length of 44.75" with a standard GP Tour Wrap Blk (50gram grip). Of course, I knew it would come in lighter than the D3 that I wanted (my estimates were C8-9). It was exactly C9 minus this one inch. So I ordered the Billy Bobs 10gram replacement weight which comes with the torx tool bit to change the stock weight out and add the new 10gram weight. After the install which took 3.5 seconds, back on the swing scale it was and she sat at a perfect D3 with the BB 10gram weight at 44.75". No lead tape, clean, and a little blue lock tight and tighten and not too much tension on the **** down to avoid stripping and I am done! Check this out if you don't want lead tape.



    https://www.billybob...productid=18392




    woah, didn't even htink about this. Ill will get my SW then order one of these!!



    Thanks




    This is the ticket and congrats! What a great prize from work!

    Mizuno ST190 10.5/ Fuji Speeder TR 661S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    Mizuno ST190TS 15/ Fuji Speeder TR 757S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    Mizuno JPX FliHi 19/ Modus 130S/ PURE Wrap WHT
    Mizuno JPX 919F 4-9/ Nippon SPO S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    Mizuno JPX 919T PW/ Nippon SPO S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    Mizuno S18 Wedges 50&56/ Modus 120S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    SeeMore M1B 31" CS/ Conti Golf Satin Black Shaft/ SS Slim 3.0 CC

  • Bar_StrollBar_Stroll Posts: 214 ✭✭
    I just ordered mine this morning and didn't realize it's 45.75" stock. What is the stock toe weight in the M4 or are people seeing different weights coming as stock? Not sure if I should order a 10g weight or just wait until my driver gets in and see what the weight in it is.
    Taylormade M4 9.5* - Aldila Rogue Elite Green 995 65X
    Callaway Rogue Sub Zero 3+ - Fujikura Atmos TS Red 8X
    Titleist 818 H2 19* Hybrid - Fujikura Atmos TS Blue 8X
    Callaway Rogue Pro 4-PW - KBS C-Taper 130X
    Callaway MD4 50.10S C-Taper 130X
    Callaway MD4, 54.10S and 58.08C - KBS 610
    Bobby Grace "Night and Day"
  • RobDMBRobDMB Members Posts: 383 ✭✭
    Is the M3 also a lighter head?
    Ping Anser 9.5* Driver
    Callaway X2 Hot 3 Wood
    Ping i20 Hybrid
    Srixon Z765 4-AW Modus 125X
    Cleveland RTX-3 55*/60*
    Scotty Cameron Pro Platinum Newport Mid-Slant
  • MakersMarsh3MakersMarsh3 Posts: 1,176 ✭✭
    No M3 is 197-199g from what I’ve seen
    lead tape & Taylormade TP5X's
  • evoviiiyouevoviiiyou evoviiiyou Members Posts: 1,987 ✭✭
    Bar_Stroll wrote:


    I just ordered mine this morning and didn't realize it's 45.75" stock. What is the stock toe weight in the M4 or are people seeing different weights coming as stock? Not sure if I should order a 10g weight or just wait until my driver gets in and see what the weight in it is.




    What length, shaft, and grip did you go with on your M4 driver order?

    Mizuno ST190 10.5/ Fuji Speeder TR 661S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    Mizuno ST190TS 15/ Fuji Speeder TR 757S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    Mizuno JPX FliHi 19/ Modus 130S/ PURE Wrap WHT
    Mizuno JPX 919F 4-9/ Nippon SPO S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    Mizuno JPX 919T PW/ Nippon SPO S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    Mizuno S18 Wedges 50&56/ Modus 120S/ PURE Wrap BLK
    SeeMore M1B 31" CS/ Conti Golf Satin Black Shaft/ SS Slim 3.0 CC

  • Bar_StrollBar_Stroll Posts: 214 ✭✭
    evoviiiyou wrote:

    Bar_Stroll wrote:


    I just ordered mine this morning and didn't realize it's 45.75" stock. What is the stock toe weight in the M4 or are people seeing different weights coming as stock? Not sure if I should order a 10g weight or just wait until my driver gets in and see what the weight in it is.




    What length, shaft, and grip did you go with on your M4 driver order?




    Standard length 45.75” Aldila NV 2kvx Green X 65, Golf Pride MMC Plus 4
    Taylormade M4 9.5* - Aldila Rogue Elite Green 995 65X
    Callaway Rogue Sub Zero 3+ - Fujikura Atmos TS Red 8X
    Titleist 818 H2 19* Hybrid - Fujikura Atmos TS Blue 8X
    Callaway Rogue Pro 4-PW - KBS C-Taper 130X
    Callaway MD4 50.10S C-Taper 130X
    Callaway MD4, 54.10S and 58.08C - KBS 610
    Bobby Grace "Night and Day"
  • Bar_StrollBar_Stroll Posts: 214 ✭✭
    edited Jun 12, 2018 #18
    evoviiiyou wrote:


    I just got a custom order made from TM after a recent fitting tent session locally. I went with the 12* M4 turned down to 10.5* so it sits 3* open with the Atmos Red 5S minus 1" for playing length of 44.75" with a standard GP Tour Wrap Blk (50gram grip). Of course, I knew it would come in lighter than the D3 that I wanted (my estimates were C8-9). It was exactly C9 minus this one inch. So I ordered the Billy Bobs 10gram replacement weight which comes with the torx tool bit to change the stock weight out and add the new 10gram weight. After the install which took 3.5 seconds, back on the swing scale it was and she sat at a perfect D3 with the BB 10gram weight at 44.75". No lead tape, clean, and a little blue lock tight and tighten and not too much tension on the **** down to avoid stripping and I am done! Check this out if you don't want lead tape.



    https://www.billybob...productid=18392




    So I just found the shaft I was fit for on eBay for less than 1/3 of the quoted price new (the Aldila NV 2kvx Green X was to soft and I was hooking the ball quite a bit, big dispersion). I noted what you did but the shaft you used is 55 grams. The Rogue Elite Green I ordered is 65 grams and I ordered a MCC plus 4 52 gram grip and a BB 10 gram weight. I plan to play it 45". Any guess what the swing weight should be? Am I splitting hairs to think about ordering the non plus 4 MCC Golf Pride grip?



    I have no golf stores within 120 miles and my only course does not have much if any equipment. I appreciate any help.
    Taylormade M4 9.5* - Aldila Rogue Elite Green 995 65X
    Callaway Rogue Sub Zero 3+ - Fujikura Atmos TS Red 8X
    Titleist 818 H2 19* Hybrid - Fujikura Atmos TS Blue 8X
    Callaway Rogue Pro 4-PW - KBS C-Taper 130X
    Callaway MD4 50.10S C-Taper 130X
    Callaway MD4, 54.10S and 58.08C - KBS 610
    Bobby Grace "Night and Day"
  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 9,764 ✭✭
    Bar_Stroll wrote:

    evoviiiyou wrote:


    I just got a custom order made from TM after a recent fitting tent session locally. I went with the 12* M4 turned down to 10.5* so it sits 3* open with the Atmos Red 5S minus 1" for playing length of 44.75" with a standard GP Tour Wrap Blk (50gram grip). Of course, I knew it would come in lighter than the D3 that I wanted (my estimates were C8-9). It was exactly C9 minus this one inch. So I ordered the Billy Bobs 10gram replacement weight which comes with the torx tool bit to change the stock weight out and add the new 10gram weight. After the install which took 3.5 seconds, back on the swing scale it was and she sat at a perfect D3 with the BB 10gram weight at 44.75". No lead tape, clean, and a little blue lock tight and tighten and not too much tension on the **** down to avoid stripping and I am done! Check this out if you don't want lead tape.



    [url="https://www.billybobsgolf.com/product.php?productid=18392"]https://www.billybob...productid=18392[/url]




    So I just found the shaft I was fit for on eBay for less than 1/3 of the quoted price new (the Aldila NV 2kvx Green X was to soft and I was hooking the ball quite a bit, big dispersion). I noted what you did but the shaft you used is 55 grams. The Rogue Elite Green I ordered is 65 grams and I ordered a MCC plus 4 52 gram grip and a BB 10 gram weight. I plan to play it 45". Any guess what the swing weight should be? Am I splitting hairs to think about ordering the non plus 4 MCC Golf Pride grip?



    I have no golf stores within 120 miles and my only course does not have much if any equipment. I appreciate any help.




    If you are thinking of getting a grip that doesn’t suit you in order to trick the swingweight scale into reading one point different then don’t do it. Totally awful idea. The fact that “swingweight” measurement is affected by grip weight is a flaw in the way it is measured.



    A one point change in SW due to a heavier/lighter grip does not feel anything like a one point change in SW due to clubhead or shaft weight. The swingweight scale is designed to quantify “feel” of a club but it assumes a standard 50-ish gram grip weight.
    Everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses.
  • Bar_StrollBar_Stroll Posts: 214 ✭✭

    Bar_Stroll wrote:

    evoviiiyou wrote:


    I just got a custom order made from TM after a recent fitting tent session locally. I went with the 12* M4 turned down to 10.5* so it sits 3* open with the Atmos Red 5S minus 1" for playing length of 44.75" with a standard GP Tour Wrap Blk (50gram grip). Of course, I knew it would come in lighter than the D3 that I wanted (my estimates were C8-9). It was exactly C9 minus this one inch. So I ordered the Billy Bobs 10gram replacement weight which comes with the torx tool bit to change the stock weight out and add the new 10gram weight. After the install which took 3.5 seconds, back on the swing scale it was and she sat at a perfect D3 with the BB 10gram weight at 44.75". No lead tape, clean, and a little blue lock tight and tighten and not too much tension on the **** down to avoid stripping and I am done! Check this out if you don't want lead tape.



    https://www.billybob...productid=18392




    So I just found the shaft I was fit for on eBay for less than 1/3 of the quoted price new (the Aldila NV 2kvx Green X was to soft and I was hooking the ball quite a bit, big dispersion). I noted what you did but the shaft you used is 55 grams. The Rogue Elite Green I ordered is 65 grams and I ordered a MCC plus 4 52 gram grip and a BB 10 gram weight. I plan to play it 45". Any guess what the swing weight should be? Am I splitting hairs to think about ordering the non plus 4 MCC Golf Pride grip?



    I have no golf stores within 120 miles and my only course does not have much if any equipment. I appreciate any help.




    If you are thinking of getting a grip that doesn’t suit you in order to trick the swingweight scale into reading one point different then don’t do it. Totally awful idea. The fact that “swingweight” measurement is affected by grip weight is a flaw in the way it is measured.



    A one point change in SW due to a heavier/lighter grip does not feel anything like a one point change in SW due to clubhead or shaft weight. The swingweight scale is designed to quantify “feel” of a club but it assumes a standard 50-ish gram grip weight.




    Yeah, that's a very good point. Definitely overthinking this, I'll keep the grips the same. Thanks.
    Taylormade M4 9.5* - Aldila Rogue Elite Green 995 65X
    Callaway Rogue Sub Zero 3+ - Fujikura Atmos TS Red 8X
    Titleist 818 H2 19* Hybrid - Fujikura Atmos TS Blue 8X
    Callaway Rogue Pro 4-PW - KBS C-Taper 130X
    Callaway MD4 50.10S C-Taper 130X
    Callaway MD4, 54.10S and 58.08C - KBS 610
    Bobby Grace "Night and Day"
  • ignitewvuignitewvu Members Posts: 2,040 ✭✭
    M4's are so easy to Hotmelt &/or replace the weight ****.



    Remember the OEM Shaft length is 45.75 so if you cut it to 45 you will lose at least 1.5 points. Same goes with replacing the grip since TM uses a grip that is around 47 grams.
    M5 9.5 Fujikura Atmos Black Tour Spec 6 Stiff
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  • North ButteNorth Butte Members Posts: 9,764 ✭✭
    ignitewvu wrote:


    M4's are so easy to Hotmelt &/or replace the weight ****.



    Remember the OEM Shaft length is 45.75 so if you cut it to 45 you will lose at least 1.5 points. Same goes with replacing the grip since TM uses a grip that is around 47 grams.




    3/4” is around 4 points, not 1.5
    Everything has its drawbacks, as the man said when his mother-in-law died, and they came down upon him for the funeral expenses.
  • drmlumdrmlum Members Posts: 275 ✭✭
    My M4 came in at 195.0 gr...back weight was 3.7gr
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