Driver fitting

So today my club had a local fitting day for Callaway and i tried the rogue.

My current gamer the 915's ball speed averaged 158mph and the rogue averages 164mph

Club head speed with both was both tracked at average 109mph, assuming both were struck similar on average is it possible that the rogue face could be that much hotter than my 915?

I'm a pretty good ballstriker/low cap so im not spraying them allover the face. All middle to slightly heely.

Thinking about buying an epic with the same shaft/head as the rogue to save money since they're virtually identical to save some cash, i do love my 915 tho

A few thoughts. With the Titleist your smash factor is 1.45. It’s 1.50 with the Rogue. So that would mean you are getting near perfect strikes with the Rogue if we assume the smash factor maximum is 1.5. Is the sweet spot on the Rogue that much bigger? Or maybe we can assume that whoever had you on the monitor was trying to sell Callaway drivers and played with the numbers a bit. Most PGA pros do not have numbers that good. COR is the same for all drivers, but that’s only if you hit the sweet spot. As I understand it, COR is measured by launching a golf ball at a stationary club head at 100 miles an hour. But we do not hit a golf ball in that fashion. Is it fair to say that a golf club that is being swung can produce a different COR then one being held in a vice? Does jailbreak technology give us more speed in a real world situation? Seems like the clubmakers find distance every year, how is this possible? If it was me, I would find an independent club fitter verify these results as well as determining if the Rogue is in fact the right club for you.

So today my club had a local fitting day for Callaway and i tried the rogue.

 

My current gamer the 915's ball speed averaged 158mph and the rogue averages 164mph

 

Club head speed with both was both tracked at average 109mph, assuming both were struck similar on average is it possible that the rogue face could be that much hotter than my 915?

 

I'm a pretty good ballstriker/low cap so im not spraying them allover the face. All middle to slightly heely.

 

Thinking about buying an epic with the same shaft/head as the rogue to save money since they're virtually identical to save some cash, i do love my 915 tho

I originally played the 915 then I bought an epic and the epic was definitely longer but I could not control it with the same amount of repeatability.

No matter how I set the bias weights the epic always wanted to fade to the right.

I definitely believe that the jailbreak technology is a few yards longer But I also believe that the dispersion is significantly better on the 915.

For me it was a legitimate 5 to 6% increase in distance but I believe my dispersion increased by at least 10%.

Now if you are always playing Sarah ways where 10% doesn't matter then I guess it's a pretty easy answer. But if you have a tight driving holes for you like to be a little more specific in your landings then I think the 915 is legitimately more accurate

O also I should add that if you look at my signature line I switched back to the 915 because of the accuracy reasons And because I prefer a right to left flight instead of a left to right. Hi strive to play either a straight ball for a draw with my driver with rare exception so the shot shape was just better for me but if I was someone who really liked a left to right ball flight I would have found Nirvana

A few thoughts. With the Titleist your smash factor is 1.45. It’s 1.50 with the Rogue. So that would mean you are getting near perfect strikes with the Rogue if we assume the smash factor maximum is 1.5. Is the sweet spot on the Rogue that much bigger? Or maybe we can assume that whoever had you on the monitor was trying to sell Callaway drivers and played with the numbers a bit. Most PGA pros do not have numbers that good. COR is the same for all drivers, but that’s only if you hit the sweet spot. As I understand it, COR is measured by launching a golf ball at a stationary club head at 100 miles an hour. But we do not hit a golf ball in that fashion. Is it fair to say that a golf club that is being swung can produce a different COR then one being held in a vice? Does jailbreak technology give us more speed in a real world situation? Seems like the clubmakers find distance every year, how is this possible? If it was me, I would find an independent club fitter verify these results as well as determining if the Rogue is in fact the right club for you.

So today my club had a local fitting day for Callaway and i tried the rogue.

 

My current gamer the 915's ball speed averaged 158mph and the rogue averages 164mph

 

Club head speed with both was both tracked at average 109mph, assuming both were struck similar on average is it possible that the rogue face could be that much hotter than my 915?

 

I'm a pretty good ballstriker/low cap so im not spraying them allover the face. All middle to slightly heely.

 

Thinking about buying an epic with the same shaft/head as the rogue to save money since they're virtually identical to save some cash, i do love my 915 tho

Just to edify some points as Tiemco basically got it, but just some additional thoughts

COR is a measurement, but currently not the standard. that being said .830 COR is the measured limit.

currently though the standard is "CT" or Coefficient of Time. This is at 257units

Currently if you go on Ebay, you will notice many "tour" drivers have these listed measurements, Many of which are around 245 units. close to the limit.

https://www.ebay.com...EYAAOSwshJbBZi7

https://www.ebay.com...eoAAOSw8zNa~H4A

OK so back to tiemco, 1.50 smash with the Rouge vs 1.45 for the Titliest. Something smells funny as this is Perfect for standard setting.

1.50 is optimal Tour level perfection

1.45 is a normal human being LOL

Now here is my Tin FOIL hat...

1) was it a Fitting day for Callaway

2) I personally have seen many "Demo" day clubs that say DO NOT SELL I have always wondered about that...

3) I have NEVER replicated the numbers on Course from clubs I bought or got fitting on Demo day EVER

4) I think the demo clubs are HOT, meaning they are AT or above the CT limit, but normal consumers will never know because they would never tell and or test in front. Why not send hot Demo Clubs to sell clubs and, why do the NOT sell the Demo Drivers?

5) The fitting is selling clubs and may have purposely changed the Smash Factor to 1.45 or 1.5 depending on the club.

Final case in point.

1) Titleist know to have a little more QC, and durability tends to be on the conservative limits to maintain durability. Meaning I would NOT be surprised that their CT measurements are on the lower 24Xunits scales

2) TM and Callaway have know to cave faces, meaning their CT units are pushed to the limit but also decrease durability.

SO again all in ALL Driver's are limited to the 257units PERIOD. So if ALL things are Equal,

Loft, shaft, length, swing speed and impact. ALL drivers will go the same

But if one of these facets are off or different it can impact distance and ball speed.

GL OP! Go re edify the club........

A few thoughts. With the Titleist your smash factor is 1.45. It’s 1.50 with the Rogue. So that would mean you are getting near perfect strikes with the Rogue if we assume the smash factor maximum is 1.5. Is the sweet spot on the Rogue that much bigger? Or maybe we can assume that whoever had you on the monitor was trying to sell Callaway drivers and played with the numbers a bit. Most PGA pros do not have numbers that good. COR is the same for all drivers, but that’s only if you hit the sweet spot. As I understand it, COR is measured by launching a golf ball at a stationary club head at 100 miles an hour. But we do not hit a golf ball in that fashion. Is it fair to say that a golf club that is being swung can produce a different COR then one being held in a vice? Does jailbreak technology give us more speed in a real world situation? Seems like the clubmakers find distance every year, how is this possible? If it was me, I would find an independent club fitter verify these results as well as determining if the Rogue is in fact the right club for you.

Good post. He 100% had a fiddle if that comes out to 1.5 smash factor because my miss hit at the moment is a low heel and i for sure hit one or two of them out of the 10 or so measured.