callaway epic vs ping?

huskiehuskie Members Posts: 517 ✭✭
my epic has been a bit of a struggle, thinking of trying a ping driver, any ideas? 6 ft 225 62 years old swingspeed 92 7 handicap.



I know would need a fitting but thought I would ask

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  • GhostwedgeGhostwedge Members Posts: 653 ✭✭
    Fortunate to have a friend that works at a golf superstore, last weekend i was able to hit all the new drivers at a range with tracking.

    Really liked the Callaway Rogue, TM 3/4 was good but the Ping G400 won the day. Even better than the G400Max. Most forgiving and longest driver i have ever hit - period. Love the matte finish, donʻt care about the turbulators or dragonfly stuff. The paint shifting Alta shaft works well but going with the Aldila X-torsion shaft.







  • mikec3672mikec3672 Mavericks Members Posts: 723 ✭✭
    edited Jun 13, 2018 #3
    Try the G400 MAX with the Alta Distanza
  • lil'mikelil'mike Members Posts: 1,291 ✭✭
    I had the Epic, Rogue, XR16 Pro's and more plus about 4 shafts and finally took them all to a driver fitting, trying to figure out why I could not hit the driver as long or with the right height (hit too low) and why I always hit a fade now so less distance. Nothing seem to help (head/shaft combo) so I told the guy the other driver I was interested in hitting is the G400 so he got one with the stock shaft and boom. The height was great and no struggles to hit it right from the start, distance was better so I sold all the Cally heads, shafts and bought the G400. I still fade it some but not as much and working on trying to get a draw.



    I really wanted to like the Epic and Rogues and tried them a number of times (bought and sold) but I just couldn't get them to do anything but low burner shots most of the time. Once in a great while I would hit it good and it would go some distance but too inconsistent for me to play. I like the technology and do think they can be longer than other drivers for sure!
  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Members Posts: 7,436 ✭✭
    huskie wrote:


    my epic has been a bit of a struggle, thinking of trying a ping driver, any ideas? 6 ft 225 62 years old swingspeed 92 7 handicap.



    I know would need a fitting but thought I would ask


    Describe 'struggle'. Way too vague to give any kind of meaningful feedback.
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  • bluedotbluedot Members Posts: 3,430 ✭✭
    Z1ggy16 wrote:

    huskie wrote:


    my epic has been a bit of a struggle, thinking of trying a ping driver, any ideas? 6 ft 225 62 years old swingspeed 92 7 handicap.



    I know would need a fitting but thought I would ask


    Describe 'struggle'. Way too vague to give any kind of meaningful feedback.




    I agree; the Epic is a really good driver, with a lot of ways to tweak the setting and ball flight.



    That said, I did a two-hour fitting in January, in which I hit the M1, the Epic, and the G400, each with multiple setups. The G400 was clearly the best fit FOR ME; picked up 3 mph of swing speed and approx. 10 yards of overall distance over not only my old G30, but either the M1 or the Epic. The Epic was closer, but not as good on either distance OR dispersion, plus it cost $100 more.
  • Sh00terMcgavinSh00terMcgavin Members Posts: 295 ✭✭
    Another vote for the g400. That head pretty much blew the rest out of the water on dispersion and forgiveness. Rogue was a little longer on center nuts on some swings but the dispersion just wasn't there.
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  • sandysandy ClubWRX Posts: 4,996
    Must be a reason why the G400Max is the top selling driver in many shops, while the G400, G400LST, G400SFT don’t even crack the top 5 in many shops since introduction.
  • bcsquarebcsquare Members Posts: 291 ✭✭


    Another vote for the g400. That head pretty much blew the rest out of the water on dispersion and forgiveness. Rogue was a little longer on center nuts on some swings but the dispersion just wasn't there.




    I had the same experience.



    For the OP, try the G400 line. You may not get the fastest or longest out of them but I've found them to be the most consistent.
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  • huskiehuskie Members Posts: 517 ✭✭
    to answer the question, just not working for me, I can draw the epic 3 wood with stock shaft, not so much the driver
  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Members Posts: 7,436 ✭✭
    huskie wrote:


    to answer the question, just not working for me, I can draw the epic 3 wood with stock shaft, not so much the driver


    "just not working" is also pretty vague lol.



    Have you set the hosel in upright aka "D" setting?
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  • Mtngolfer1Mtngolfer1 Lefty Boomers Posts: 1,690 ✭✭
    edited Jun 13, 2018 #12
    I own both the epic and the G400 LST. The epic has been an experiment, the G400 was my gamer until late, but will never leave the bag for long. I finally dialed the epic in to a point where I am finding as many fairways as I was with the G400 and I picked up about 10 yards in total distance with the epic. For me the improvement was due to going to a slightly heavier shaft with the PX HZD in the epic. To be totally honest I don't think you can go wrong with either driver. If you want to take the time to work through the adjustments with the epic and possibly a few shaft choices you will get it to a point of consistency you are looking for. If you simply want to move on to something different the Ping G400 series is outstanding!. My G400 is point and shoot I have used the Ping Tou65 shaft in my last three Ping drivers going all the way back to the Ping G30 and it suits me well. The Ping G00 is the best combination of forgiveness and distance in a driver I ever played. The simplicity of the Ping make it very easy to dial in. The epic takes time along with some understanding of cause & effect to get it dialed in but when you do it is a beast off the tee. Good luck with your search.
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  • GolfingfanaticGolfingfanatic Members Posts: 3,126 ✭✭
    Used the Epic for a while, but currently game a G400Max. The Max is so much easier to hit it is unreal. Distance wise the Epic is probably a few yards longer on the good shots, but on average the Ping is probably longer for me.
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  • bluedotbluedot Members Posts: 3,430 ✭✭
    sandy wrote:


    Must be a reason why the G400Max is the top selling driver in many shops, while the G400, G400LST, G400SFT don't even crack the top 5 in many shops since introduction.




    Link?
  • ChazbChazb Members Posts: 917 ✭✭
    sandy wrote:


    Must be a reason why the G400Max is the top selling driver in many shops, while the G400, G400LST, G400SFT don’t even crack the top 5 in many shops since introduction.
    Because it’s new and don’t you know that newer means better.
  • huskiehuskie Members Posts: 517 ✭✭
    spraying it to be more presise. yes have the head in a draw at 10 degrees, same shaft I had my 2014 big bertha that worked
  • Mtngolfer1Mtngolfer1 Lefty Boomers Posts: 1,690 ✭✭
    The epic may be a lighter head than your BB. When I started with the epic I experienced some two way misses, after I made a few adjustments and installed a PX HZRD 65 it became much more consistent for me. In my opinion the Ping G400 series works for the masses.I you have a idea of the correct head to start with the G400 series you have over half the battle won. The stock shaft options are great starting points as well with Ping. A leas it has ben my experience, so I haven't found a need to go outside the standard shaft offerings from Ping.
  • gc444gc444 Lefty Boomers Posts: 417 ✭✭
    edited Jun 13, 2018 #18
    I won a Callaway Rogue in a drawing at a tournament earlier this year (that was right handed) and took it down to PGA Superstore and tested a lefty version and a G400 Max (I was coming from a PING G LST and had tried the G400 LST last year and other than a much better sound did not add enough benefits to move to it so that is why I chose the two I started with). Honestly could have flipped a coin as both were about equal in distance and dispersion for my swing. Then as he was setting up a Taylormade M4 driver for another customer I said why not and asked him to set me one up. It produced much better numbers in both categories for me. I even went back to the other two thinking I just got warmed up, nope same numbers as before. Went back to the Taylormade and the numbers improved again so that is what I walked out with. With all that said not trying to push you to Taylormade just be open minded and perhaps try a couple different brands along with the PING G400 (which is a great driver) and see what works for your swing.
  • huskiehuskie Members Posts: 517 ✭✭
    agree, great post
  • jecarnljecarnl Members Posts: 98 ✭✭
    I own both an Epic Sub and a G400 LST. The Epic is the gamer and the G is the back up. I could either way myself.
  • MedicMedic Members Posts: 9,422 ✭✭
    OP I love my Epic. Just love it.



    But...



    1. I don't know even one person who plays Ping and speaks negatively about the brand.



    2. They are HIGH quality. With incredible support after the sale.



    3. They really do offer some great looking equipment.



    4. They hold their value which isn't common in golf equipment.



    5. It's fun to try new stuff.



    So, I say go for it. Life's short, it's your money and if it makes you happy - why not?



    Let us know how things work out.
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  • GraymulliganGraymulligan Members Posts: 2,364 ✭✭
    Stumbled on this thread and thought I'd throw my 2 cents in. Gamer has been an alpha 815dbd for the last year or so, more on feel and dispersion than distance. It was long enough, but I didn't choose it for ball speed, I chose it because I hit fairways with it. I'm a 7 cap, mostly on iron and short game play, so finding fairways for me is vital.



    I had a fitting last night, and was fully expecting to come away with a Callaway of some shape or form given how well I liked the Alpha, but after hitting the M3/4 and the epic, as well as the Cobra F8, the G400 was the best fit for me. Better dispersion, and distances/speeds were very, very close. The Epic was the longest, but only if I really squared it up perfect. When I did, it was 8-9 yards longer than the Ping (both on the range and by the numbers), but I found that I didn't get that shot the majority of the time. The Ping almost always felt great, and was almost always within 4-5 yards in distance. In short, it was way more consistent, but the "best" wasn't as good as the Epic's "best".



    This is where it gets fun though. My fitter and I took a break, chatted a little, and he wanted me to try one more club. He pulled out a G series driver, and had me hit it side by side with the G400. Given my swing speed (102-103), his hypothesis was that I wouldn't see much of a difference, and it would be significantly cheaper. He was correct. Dispersion was almost identical, and the ball speed was consistently within 1mph for both clubs. So I pulled the trigger on the G for $170, and called it a day.



    Played 9 this morning, and I was hitting it a little further than I did the Alpha last week, and found the middle of the fairway a lot. The G/G400 are just so easy to hit well.
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  • RainShadowRainShadow Tucson AZ (for now)Members Posts: 3,757 ✭✭
    Me Personally? I can't stand to look down at the Ping. Huge!

    I lie the sound of my Epic better, too.

    That's just me....
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  • bogeyprobogeypro The Original Bogeypro ALClubWRX Posts: 3,257 ClubWRX
    Ping g400 performs for me, but don’t like to look at it. Epic performs and looks good... for me.
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  • DrawmanDrawman Members Posts: 93 ✭✭
    mikec3672 wrote:


    Try the G400 MAX with the Alta Distanza




    My swing speed is low 80s. What is it you like about the Distanza shaft?



    Thank you.
  • jimbjimb Members Posts: 1,745 ✭✭
    huskie wrote:


    my epic has been a bit of a struggle, thinking of trying a ping driver, any ideas? 6 ft 225 62 years old swingspeed 92 7 handicap.



    I know would need a fitting but thought I would ask




    I am 69 years old. I have the Epic SZ in the stock MAX stiff shaft and I really loved that driver. I bought a Ping G400 LST with the Tour 65 in R and it is night and day for my driving. I have owned several Callaway and Ping drivers and this G400 is fantastic for me.
  • woods991woods991 believelandClubWRX Posts: 2,359 ✭✭
    bluedot wrote:

    sandy wrote:


    Must be a reason why the G400Max is the top selling driver in many shops, while the G400, G400LST, G400SFT don't even crack the top 5 in many shops since introduction.




    Link?


    Where is the data to support in the shop by my home the lst is always selling out
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  • lil'mikelil'mike Members Posts: 1,291 ✭✭
    The Ping G400 SFT which is the one I am using is only 445cc's so it doesn't look huge at all.
  • swing33swing33 Members Posts: 112 ✭✭
    edited Jul 27, 2018 #29
    I have been trying for quite some time to find some newer technology to at least share time with 910 D2, and have narrowed the list to a PING G400 model or an Epic model. I have owned all 3 of the G400 (Max, LST and reg), and have had 3 different Epic and Sub Zero drivers.I found all the G400 heads to be very fine quality and although I did not enjoy the sound of the Max it was not awful and the club was very forgiving for sure. Don't love the look of G400 heads, but they did not put me off. Now on the other hand I really like the look of the Epic, but have struggled getting consistency with it. I find that this head seems to respond more to adjustments than any other I have ever played, conversely the wrong set up for me was awful...This is def one that I should have invested time in a few demo sessions to sort out depending on swing day to day. However, I did not go that route..... I have found a shaft and loft and head weight combo that absolutely works awesome. More loft, lower torque, more swing weight than I am used to - but I am absolutely hammering the ball on a rope with little to no side movement and really long. Seems like a tricky driver to sort out - but for me I seem to finally be unlocking the potential that I knew was in this driver.
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