Need a New Ball

BeerPerHoleBeerPerHole Members Posts: 1,093 ✭✭
edited Jun 30, 2018 in Golf Balls #1
OK, I've been gaming the Sriixon Z Star XV. Great ball. However, my home course is very difficult. Specifically, I can't hold the greens with the XV...at all. Every shot is either to the edge of the back rough or deep in the back rough. This includes pitching wedges. Dangit... In general, I can backspin almost any ball. But my home course is tough, and the greens are brutal. My buddy gave me a sleeve of the 4-piece Kirkland. Nice ball. But, that one doesn't hold the greens as well as I'd like (my example I'm thinking of is a long par 4 - 5 iron). Thanks...



The greens and bunkers at our course were recently rebuilt by Robert Trent Jones Jr. and I'm starting to think he's a mean person...



Maybe back to the Project A, the MTB Black, or game my son's fave...the Chrome Soft...
Ping G400 Max, 8-degrees, tour stiff
Mizuno JPX900 Forged irons
Ping G400 5-wood
Srixon Z Star
Maker's Mark
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  • gatorMDgatorMD Hacker-in-Chief ClubWRX Posts: 4,564 ClubWRX
    ProV1x
    Driver: Ping G400 Max 9 Tour AD MT 6
    3W: TM M2 Tour AD MT 7
    Utility: Srixon Z U65 3/19 Tour AD DI
    Irons: Ben Hogan PTx 4-9 Tour V
    Wedges: SM7 46F, 50F, 54F, and 60K KBS Tour
    Putter: SC Newport 3
    Ball: AVX/ProV1
  • Spooky67Spooky67 Members Posts: 1,318 ✭✭
    Hmmmm....The XV spins well for me, my approaches are usually a hop and stop with irons. Witht he wedge it's just dependent on the swing I choose to put on the ball but the XV can be spun really well IMO. Maybe try the regular Z-star.? That being said it's the swing that imparts the most spin.
  • ode1ode1 Members Posts: 2,826 ✭✭
    Have you tried the regular Z Star?
  • Go_Blue!Go_Blue! HAIL! Members Posts: 1,512 ✭✭
    Tp5
    8.5* TM M1 w/ Rogue Silver X
    15* TM M1 w/ Rogue Silver X
    19* Bridgestone J36
    4-PW Srixon Z745 w/ TTDG X100
    52.12 F, 56.14 F, 60.10 S Titleist SM6
    Taylormade Spider Tour Black
    Srixon Z Star XV
  • ChadwickogChadwickog Members Posts: 290 ✭✭
    Newly rebuilt greens take a year or two to soften, I believe.
  • lil'mikelil'mike Members Posts: 1,264 ✭✭
    I don't know what to say if you can't hold a green with a XV. I gather you get too much spin!



    I am not sure but you could try a 3 piece ball since you are currently using a 4 piece ball and see how that goes, maybe try a couple different ones like the regular Z-Star or Q-Star Tour. If that don't work, then try a couple two piece ones like Callaway Super Soft's or Srixon Soft Feel's.



    Good luck!
  • 1Mordrid11Mordrid1 Members Posts: 575 ✭✭


    OK, I've been gaming the Sriixon Z Star XV. Great ball. However, my home course is very difficult. Specifically, I can't hold the greens with the XV...at all. Every shot is either to the edge of the back rough or deep in the back rough. This includes pitching wedges. Dangit... In general, I can backspin almost any ball. But my home course is tough, and the greens are brutal. My buddy gave me a sleeve of the 4-piece Kirkland. Nice ball. But, that one doesn't hold the greens as well as I'd like (my example I'm thinking of is a long par 4 - 5 iron). Thanks...



    The greens and bunkers at our course were recently rebuilt by Robert Trent Jones Jr. and I'm starting to think he's a mean person...



    Maybe back to the Project A, the MTB Black, or game my son's fave...the Chrome Soft...




    If you cannot hold the greens with the XV or Kirkland 4 piece, I am not sure what will help. Maybe try a ball with a higher flight?
    WITB

    Callaway Rogue driver w/ Oban Tour Limited 4 60g
    Callaway Rogue 4 wood w/ Oban Kiyoshi White 4 65g
    Nike Sasquatch Sumo #4 hybrid(cut down 1") w/ H Diamana s
    Srixon U65 20° Miyazaki Kaula 7 s
    Ping G700 5-UW AWT 2.0(1°flat, 2° weak)
    Callaway Mack Daddy PM Grind 19 54/ KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 115
    Callaway Mack Daddy PM Grind 19 60/KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 115
    Ping Sigma 2 Tyne (adjusted to 32")
    Snell MTB Black
  • Crooksc17Crooksc17 Members Posts: 731 ✭✭
    Might be your swing not generating enough speed or your irons are low spin. What shaft are you playing? Are your lofts jacked?
  • 1putt2win21putt2win2 Members Posts: 1,352 ✭✭
    B330S in the blue box. haven't tried the new XS but probably similar. i spin my irons more with these balls than anything else.
  • jmvargasjmvargas Members Posts: 6,120 ✭✭
    edited Jul 1, 2018 #11
    it would be good to have a general idea of your game so we can offer more informed suggestions..



    an idea of how fast you swing would be a good start..



    when i started losing substantial swing speed after age 60--am 72 now--i immediately went to lower compression and softer balls..



    even experimented with ladies balls..



    right now i like the Honma Tw-G1 which is a 4-layer urethane lower compression ball..
    Giga XF0710* driver/Hirohonma twin marks 355 10.5* driver
    TEE XCG5 16.5* 4W, Giga XF-11 17* 4W
    Daiwa New Super Lady 21* 7W
    Mizuno Intage 27* 9W
    Giga U3 21* hybrid
    Tourstage Viq U5 25* hybrid
    Adams V4 6H/7H
    Adams V4 forged irons 8-PW,GW,SW,LW
    HEAVY PUTTER mid-weight K4 putter
    Sun Mountain H2N0 stand bag
    Wilson Harmonized 55*/60*wedges
    Cleveland 588 56/60
  • gatorMDgatorMD Hacker-in-Chief ClubWRX Posts: 4,564 ClubWRX
    Chadwickog wrote:


    Newly rebuilt greens take a year or two to soften, I believe.




    this is a really good point
    Driver: Ping G400 Max 9 Tour AD MT 6
    3W: TM M2 Tour AD MT 7
    Utility: Srixon Z U65 3/19 Tour AD DI
    Irons: Ben Hogan PTx 4-9 Tour V
    Wedges: SM7 46F, 50F, 54F, and 60K KBS Tour
    Putter: SC Newport 3
    Ball: AVX/ProV1
  • BirdieRollBirdieRoll Members Posts: 357 ✭✭
    gatorMD wrote:

    Chadwickog wrote:


    Newly rebuilt greens take a year or two to soften, I believe.




    this is a really good point




    I think it's the new greens as well.



    I'd give your XV a test run at another course (one not with new greens) and see how the ball performs.



    There's only going to be so much difference in performance between urethane-covered balls so there might not be a lot to gain there if you really like the XV.
  • tsecortsecor Loading........ Members Posts: 4,033 ✭✭
    chromesoft flies very far and stops relatively well for slower spin rates....TP5 is awesome too.....both very expensive as e all know
  • BeerPerHoleBeerPerHole Members Posts: 1,093 ✭✭
    edited Jul 1, 2018 #15
    Thanks for all the input. I haven't taken the time to put a speedometer on my iron swings. Driver is about 105mph. My lofts aren't strong. The XV works great for me on other courses, and I do believe the point made by Chadwickog is a good one. That's my point, really - that my need to stop the ball is course-specific. Our greens just opened about 6 or 8 weeks ago and they are hard, and from what I understand, are rolling at least at a 10. When I hit them it doesn't stop. I do have a box of the regular Z Star and am certainly going to try those next.



    The other thing that kills me is once the ball does roll into the rough (very healthy rough) then you're faced with a chip that's not going to stop. I have to laugh...After a nice approach you're taking 4 more stabs to get it in the hole. Massive scores result. But, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger... Heading out right now to spend 2 hours on a practice hole to practice the short game.
    Ping G400 Max, 8-degrees, tour stiff
    Mizuno JPX900 Forged irons
    Ping G400 5-wood
    Srixon Z Star
    Maker's Mark
  • RainShadowRainShadow Tucson AZ (for now)Members Posts: 3,622 ✭✭
    Bridgestone tour B series XS. Soft and spin - y.

    I never liked the XV ball from Srixon...too clicky for my taste.

    Chrome soft is another good ball.

    If you really like the firmer ones, ProV1x would be the logical next choice, I would think.
    Ping G400 10.5 Hzrdus Yellow 75
    Rogue 4 wd. Atmos Blue TS 7 
    G 410 19* Tour 85
    Apex  23 & 26 Kuro Kage
    Cobra Forged Tec Black 6-GW Modus 105s (In Play) / Srixon Z765 6-GW Modus 105s (Standing By)
    MackDaddy4 Black 54 S and RTX 3 Raw 58* 
     Bettinardi '16 BB1 / '16 Bettinardi Tiki /  '17 Studio Stock 8
    Chrome Soft / TP5/ Wilson Staff FG Tour
  • thejuicethejuice Members Posts: 2,065 ✭✭
    There are a lot of offerings that have sample packs you can purchase for pretty cheap. I'd try the Snell MTB Black and Red, Vice Pro and Pro Plus, Cut Blue and Grey, and compare those against the Z-Stars you already have in stock.
    TaylorMade M3 w/HZRDUS Yellow stiff
    TaylorMade M4 Tour 3 wood w/HZRDUS Red stiff
    TaylorMade M3 2 hybrid (set to 19*) w/HZRDUS Black stiff
    Srixon U65 4i Miyazaki Stiff
    Srixon 765 5-PW Modus 120 Stiff
    Cleveland RTX 3.0 50*, 54*, and 58* KBS 61
    TaylorMade Spider Black

    Gameball: Vice Pro Plus, Srixon Q Star Tour
  • tsecortsecor Loading........ Members Posts: 4,033 ✭✭
    I didn't like vice at all. just tried the project a...….nice...…..
  • thejuicethejuice Members Posts: 2,065 ✭✭
    tsecor wrote:


    I didn't like vice at all. just tried the project a...….nice...…..




    Which model Vice did you try?
    TaylorMade M3 w/HZRDUS Yellow stiff
    TaylorMade M4 Tour 3 wood w/HZRDUS Red stiff
    TaylorMade M3 2 hybrid (set to 19*) w/HZRDUS Black stiff
    Srixon U65 4i Miyazaki Stiff
    Srixon 765 5-PW Modus 120 Stiff
    Cleveland RTX 3.0 50*, 54*, and 58* KBS 61
    TaylorMade Spider Black

    Gameball: Vice Pro Plus, Srixon Q Star Tour
  • tsecortsecor Loading........ Members Posts: 4,033 ✭✭
    the vice pro. I think its a 3 piece ball a buddy of mine had a box and demanded I try it,....it wasn't horrible, but It felt like a qstar tour which I do not like either
  • thejuicethejuice Members Posts: 2,065 ✭✭
    tsecor wrote:


    the vice pro. I think its a 3 piece ball a buddy of mine had a box and demanded I try it,....it wasn't horrible, but It felt like a qstar tour which I do not like either




    You should try the Pro Plus. Different feel.
    TaylorMade M3 w/HZRDUS Yellow stiff
    TaylorMade M4 Tour 3 wood w/HZRDUS Red stiff
    TaylorMade M3 2 hybrid (set to 19*) w/HZRDUS Black stiff
    Srixon U65 4i Miyazaki Stiff
    Srixon 765 5-PW Modus 120 Stiff
    Cleveland RTX 3.0 50*, 54*, and 58* KBS 61
    TaylorMade Spider Black

    Gameball: Vice Pro Plus, Srixon Q Star Tour
  • tsecortsecor Loading........ Members Posts: 4,033 ✭✭
    thejuice wrote:

    tsecor wrote:


    the vice pro. I think its a 3 piece ball a buddy of mine had a box and demanded I try it,....it wasn't horrible, but It felt like a qstar tour which I do not like either




    You should try the Pro Plus. Different feel.
    cool. tell me about it if you have a few minutes.
  • crazygolfnutcrazygolfnut CrazyGolfNut Members Posts: 1,161 ✭✭
    Give Snell a try.
    • Driver: ________ Ping G400 Max
    • Woods: _______ Ping G410 3 & 5 woods
    • Hybrids: ______ Titleist 818H1 21* & 25*
    • Irons: _________ Titleist 718 AP1 6-W
    • Wedges: ______ Titleist Vokey SM6 52.08F & 56.08M
    • Putter: ________ Rife Mid Mallet 400
    • Ball: ___________ Snell MTB Red Yellow
    • Bag: ___________ Datrek Lite Rider
    • GPS: ___________ Bushnell NEO Ghost
    • Rangefinder: __ Precision Pro NX7
    • GHIN: _________ HCP floats between 10 and 12

    “Never bet against an old man with old clubs that have new grips”
  • Sean2Sean2 #TheWRX (Callaway Trip) Members Posts: 30,826 ✭✭
    gatorMD wrote:


    ProV1x




    I tested six premium balls a couple of years ago and found that the ProV1x was the best ball for me when it came to stopping the ball on the green. What I like about it is I can be aggressive with a shot knowing it will check up, versus having it role 20 feet by the hole.
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  • CDMCDM Members Posts: 1,682 ✭✭
    Wilson Duo U is great (especially when u catch Dicks sporting good sales....) Snell RED may be an excellent choice.



    As others have noted right now I would say the TP5 is one the best "overall" ball out. I play the TP5 or TPX5 and love them but as some have noted the TM balls are not cheap.
  • BeerPerHoleBeerPerHole Members Posts: 1,093 ✭✭
    Thanks all for the input. Since starting this thread I did have a few discussions with other members at the club. Now, some tactics for the new greens are being developed and shared, which should be helpful.



    Good point about the TP5 and x not being cheap. Luckily, I don't go through balls very quickly. My first Z Star XV lasted for a couple rounds. It looked like I pounded the dimples down with my driver, but was probably just a discoloring. I kept it in my bag as an odd keepsake for a while.



    I made an observation the other day. A year ago I went through a short phase where I hit some massive drives (in the fairway). All of those were with the Project a (which is a very stoppable ball, too).
    Ping G400 Max, 8-degrees, tour stiff
    Mizuno JPX900 Forged irons
    Ping G400 5-wood
    Srixon Z Star
    Maker's Mark
  • tsecortsecor Loading........ Members Posts: 4,033 ✭✭
    My experience with the 2018 project a is not so great. it balloons quite a bit in the wind, even a slight 10-12 MPH wind.....I just bought a dzn and I am not that happy with them. so much different than the LETHAL from TM.



    TP5 is real solid too, but way to expensive. Hopefullly at some point TM will make a 20piece box like they did with the lethals
  • kcd38kcd38 Members Posts: 277 ✭✭
    Bridgestone Tour B XS



    I have used the ProV1, TP5, and Chrome Soft extensively over the past two years and the tour b xs holds greens the best for me.



    The B330S would also probably work. I feel that the Tour B XS feels better than the 330S with my irons.
    WITB:
    Driver - PING G400 LST 8.5, Project X HZRDUS Smoke Black 6.0
    3 Wood - PING G400 14.5, Ping Tour 75 S
    Hybrid - Ping G410 19 degree, Tensei CK Blue 80 HY or Taylormade P790 UDI, HZRDUS Black 6.0
    4-PW - Mizuno MP 18 MMC 4 iron, Mizuno MP 18 SC 5-PW, KBS C Taper 130 x
    Wedges - Vokey SM7 52 F, 56 F, 60 D (bent to 51, 55)
    Putter - Taylormade Spider Tour Black
  • ZBigStickZBigStick Practice Perfect Form Members Posts: 5,313 ✭✭
    New greens don’t bite. You have to land the ball nearer the front and play for rollout.

    A ball with more mid to long iron spin is the Project (a).

    As for around the green, my best results have come with the current Pro V1, TP5, Z-Star with fresh wedge grooves.

    And yes, RTJ Jr. is evil.
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  • gvogelgvogel Members Posts: 7,203 ✭✭


    OK, I've been gaming the Sriixon Z Star XV. Great ball. However, my home course is very difficult. Specifically, I can't hold the greens with the XV...at all. Every shot is either to the edge of the back rough or deep in the back rough. This includes pitching wedges. Dangit... In general, I can backspin almost any ball. But my home course is tough, and the greens are brutal. My buddy gave me a sleeve of the 4-piece Kirkland. Nice ball. But, that one doesn't hold the greens as well as I'd like (my example I'm thinking of is a long par 4 - 5 iron). Thanks...



    The greens and bunkers at our course were recently rebuilt by Robert Trent Jones Jr. and I'm starting to think he's a mean person...



    Maybe back to the Project A, the MTB Black, or game my son's fave...the Chrome Soft...




    Not only is he a mean person, but his architecture sucks.
    On Sundays, I used to play hickory
  • BeerPerHoleBeerPerHole Members Posts: 1,093 ✭✭
    OK, had a bit of an epiphany tonight. I got out on our course in the evening with few people out there (high heat today). I practiced with hitting 2 or 3 balls each hole. I recently had a buddy from our club say, "You gotta hit the front of our greens". I took that to heart. And, tonight I inserted the Q Star Tour into my practice. This was very interesting, because I can drive that ball a long way compared to my normal Z Star XV. the Q Star went very long and straight, in comparison. The impact was that I was left with substantially shorter approaches. the Q Star runs out about 50% longer after hitting the green. But, overall, the ball played much better for me. So, a ball that is less spinny actually performs better for me on our challenging course with hard greens. Tonight, for whatever reason (more water and a little more growth) our greens were a reasonable speed (probably an 8 or 9 vs the recent 11s or 12s we've been seeing). Anyway, I thought I'd share. And, I appreciate the input on this thread.
    Ping G400 Max, 8-degrees, tour stiff
    Mizuno JPX900 Forged irons
    Ping G400 5-wood
    Srixon Z Star
    Maker's Mark
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